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Topic: Turbulence Accident On Neos Flight, 35 Injured
Username: Aquila3
Posted 2012-11-19 07:41:26 and read 2442 times.

http://www.ansa.it/web/notizie/rubri...0-CONTUSI-VOLO-HAVANA_7821341.html
Sorry only in Italian.
Looks like there was some kind of turbulence during descent at 3000 m, on a Neos Flight coming from Cuba.
News reports 35 injured , of them 12 have been brought to E.R. No one seems in serious danger, hopefully.
My best wishes to all them.

Topic: RE: Turbulence Accident On Neos Flight, 35 Injured
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-19 08:57:32 and read 2450 times.

Thankfully it wasn't like the QF flight that dropped and seriously and permanently injured many poeple . Hopefully everybody recovers OK.

Topic: RE: Turbulence Accident On Neos Flight, 35 Injured
Username: Aquila3
Posted 2012-11-19 09:51:17 and read 2450 times.

According to another news source
http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/News/Cr...-salto-di-3000-m_313909878547.html
it was flight NO731 , heading to MXP, where it landed this afternoon without further problems.
Aircraft involved, according to the above, was a B767-300 and the event occoured over the Atlantic.

Topic: RE: Turbulence Accident On Neos Flight, 35 Injured
Username: Nibog
Posted 2012-11-19 11:42:10 and read 2449 times.

Here is a more detailed report from the Aviation Herald;

http://avherald.com/h?article=45946d01&opt=4096

The aircraft encountered turbulence causing an altitude deviation of about 1000 feet,just as dinner was being served,hence the amount of injuried passengers.

Topic: RE: Turbulence Accident On Neos Flight, 35 Injured
Username: downtown273
Posted 2012-11-19 13:08:27 and read 2448 times.

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 2):

If the event happened over the Atlantic and they had 35+ pax injured, why did they not divert to somewhere like MAD or BCN?

Quoting Nibog (Reply 3):

If it happened while dinner was being served, I would expect the passengers to be on their seats and the injured people to be mostly cabin crew that were serving the dinner...

Topic: RE: Turbulence Accident On Neos Flight, 35 Injured
Username: AR385
Posted 2012-11-19 13:16:28 and read 2447 times.

Quoting downtown273 (Reply 4):
If the event happened over the Atlantic and they had 35+ pax injured, why did they not divert to somewhere like MAD or BCN?

Because the doctors on board who assesed the injured reported to the crew that the injuries were minor, "mostly concusions".

Quoting downtown273 (Reply 4):
If it happened while dinner was being served, I would expect the passengers to be on their seats and the injured people to be mostly cabin crew that were serving the dinner...

Not only that. Having experienced for myself people bouncing off the ceiling when the second before everything was calm and a beautiful day could be seen outside the windows, I still sincerely don´t get why people just don´t stay in their seats with their seatbelts fastened at all times.

Sure, a short walk around the cabin and the toilett break is understandable, but for so many people to be injured, it´s just plain insanity.

[Edited 2012-11-19 13:20:55]

Topic: RE: Turbulence Accident On Neos Flight, 35 Injured
Username: qualitydr
Posted 2012-11-19 13:46:11 and read 2447 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 5):
Sure, a short walk around the cabin and the toilett break is understandable, but for so many people to be injured, it´s just plain insanity.

How many of the injuries, including to the head, were caused by flying objects? Lots of loose items during dinner. How may of the injured pax were actually belted in and hit by such "debris" ? Seems it's a bit early to assume the injuries were from unsecured passengers...

Topic: RE: Turbulence Accident On Neos Flight, 35 Injured
Username: fca767
Posted 2012-11-19 13:53:13 and read 2447 times.

Stop having a go at people being unbelted...everyone gets up once in a while to stretch their legs, otherwise it would be deaths through DVT when they get home

Topic: RE: Turbulence Accident On Neos Flight, 35 Injured
Username: AR385
Posted 2012-11-19 13:57:03 and read 2447 times.

Quoting qualitydr (Reply 6):
Seems it's a bit early to assume the injuries were from unsecured passengers...

Excerpt from:

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=45946d01&opt=0

"throwing all loose items like the lunch trays as well as flight attendants and passengers not wearing their seat belts through the cabin. Many passengers hit the cabin ceiling and received cuts, bruises as well as loose teeth. Two doctors examined the injured."

Topic: RE: Turbulence Accident On Neos Flight, 35 Injured
Username: RickNRoll
Posted 2012-11-19 15:17:20 and read 2446 times.

Huge number of people injured, I betting a few more could have had their seat belts on if they had tried.

Topic: RE: Turbulence Accident On Neos Flight, 35 Injured
Username: WROORD
Posted 2012-11-19 18:33:56 and read 2446 times.

Quoting fca767 (Reply 7):
Stop having a go at people being unbelted...everyone gets up once in a while to stretch their legs, otherwise it would be deaths through DVT when they get home

Thank you! This is exactly what I had in mind. The airlines are transporting passengers not prisoners. I do not mind sitting for 2-3 hour flight without getting up, but anything above that you should get up for the blood flow. 15 hour flight to China and I am up with the Chinese passengers doing tai chi.
Anyways, a guy on this flight said the seat belt sign was off and the plane went into an air pocket where it looses its altitude rather rapidly, so not much you can do about that.

Topic: RE: Turbulence Accident On Neos Flight, 35 Injured
Username: sshd
Posted 2012-11-19 23:44:52 and read 2442 times.

Aside from all the pax injuries....no one has commented anything about the 1000ft altitude deviation the aircraft experienced, which to me is a big thing!

Topic: RE: Turbulence Accident On Neos Flight, 35 Injured
Username: chopchop767
Posted 2012-11-19 23:51:05 and read 2441 times.

Quoting sshd (Reply 11):
no one has commented anything about the 1000ft altitude deviation the aircraft experienced,

Pardon my ignorance, but was the flight path at all similar to the AF 447? Isn't that area of the Atlantic generally pretty rough in the winter months?

Topic: RE: Turbulence Accident On Neos Flight, 35 Injured
Username: flyingturtle
Posted 2012-11-20 00:50:18 and read 2440 times.

Quoting chopchop767 (Reply 12):
Pardon my ignorance, but was the flight path at all similar to the AF 447? Isn't that area of the Atlantic generally pretty rough in the winter months?

AF447 flew through the ITCZ, the inter-tropical convergence zone, a belt around the world, +/- at the equator. Heavy thunderstorms are bound to happen there all the way round.

On north Atlantic routes, rough turbulence happens more often in winter than in other seasons, though.

The two flights in comparison: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=hav-fco;+gig-cdg


David

Topic: RE: Turbulence Accident On Neos Flight, 35 Injured
Username: Dogbreath
Posted 2012-11-20 01:05:25 and read 2440 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 5):
I still sincerely don´t get why people just don´t stay in their seats with their seatbelts fastened at all times.

Sure, a short walk around the cabin and the toilett break is understandable, but for so many people to be injured, it´s just plain insanity.

Absolutely right on there!

Quoting fca767 (Reply 7):
Stop having a go at people being unbelted...everyone gets up once in a while to stretch their legs, otherwise it would be deaths through DVT when they get home
Quoting WROORD (Reply 10):
Thank you! This is exactly what I had in mind. The airlines are transporting passengers not prisoners.

Having been involved in aviation for a long time, it just amazes me the ignorance of pax when the seat belt sign goes off. As an Airline Captain, I jumpseat about quite a lot and talk to my fellow pax about why they undo their seatbelts as soon as the sign goes off, then discuss with them that we're sitting in an aluminium tube travelling at a great speed through an ever changing and dynamic atmosphere. They usually belt up. Time and tIme again the PA's say unless you're moving about the cabin to use the toilet or having a leg stretch, then when seated, leave your seat belts loosely fastened in case of turbulence. Yet as the seatbelt sign goes off I watch and hear the click as the seatbelts are unfastened.
It's got nothing to do with being transported like a prisoner, it's just good old common sense and taking care of yourself (and others seated around you).

Let me ask you two guys. Have you ever encountered CAT (clear air turbulence) or severe turbulence? I'm guessing the answer is No, as if you had, you'd never be unbelted again. I've been flying for over 26 years now, and experienced my fair share of turbulence, and I never have my seatbelt unfastened, except to have a toilet break.

Quoting chopchop767 (Reply 12):
Pardon my ignorance, but was the flight path at all similar to the AF 447? Isn't that area of the Atlantic generally pretty rough in the winter months?

CAT can occur anywhere, and anytime. The area the AF447 encountered their weather is called the ITCZ (Intertropical Convergence Zone) and is an area that circles the globe in the region of the equator. The ITCZ varies north and south of the equator depending on the seasons. I have no idea of where this incident occurred, but again turbulence is everywhere. Hence why you should leave your seatbelt fastened at all times, unless using the toilet.

Topic: RE: Turbulence Accident On Neos Flight, 35 Injured
Username: MCO2BRS
Posted 2012-11-20 02:50:04 and read 2441 times.

There seems to be a discrepancy between the AvHerald article and many of the online news articles. AvHerald says there was a deviation of 1,000ft, while the online news articles state a deviation of 1,000 meters.

I'm more inclined to go with AvHerald's numbers over those quoted by the media, can anyone confirm?

Cheers,

MCO 2 BRS

Topic: RE: Turbulence Accident On Neos Flight, 35 Injured
Username: s5daw
Posted 2012-11-20 07:29:16 and read 2435 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 5):
Not only that. Having experienced for myself people bouncing off the ceiling when the second before everything was calm and a beautiful day could be seen outside the windows, I still sincerely don´t get why people just don´t stay in their seats with their seatbelts fastened at all times.

I'm actually always a bit scared when I need to use the toilet. Would be cool if you could strap your feet in something like windsurf footstraps http://www.windsurfingbible.com/9-4c.jpg while standing and have a belt while seated.

Our local media reported a drop of 3000 meters. i guess feet to metric conversion is hard  Wink

[Edited 2012-11-20 07:30:54]


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