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Topic: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-11-14 22:55:58 and read 3300 times.

According to the Official Airline Guide, Turkish Airlines has secured the industries top spot in terms of the number of countries it operates to.

The airline flies to 205 destinations in 90 different countries around the globe, more than any other airline in the world.


Story:
Turkish Airlines Becomes #1 in the World, Flying to the Most Countries Worldwide
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/turkis...nes-becomes-1-world-163200163.html

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Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: airportugal310
Posted 2012-11-14 23:03:47 and read 3318 times.

That's a heck of a distinction...considering they do it without having the largest fleet in the world, right?

Rock on  

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2012-11-15 01:33:17 and read 3317 times.

I'm just waiting for Australia (particularly PER), and then I will be happy!

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: emrecan
Posted 2012-11-15 01:35:17 and read 3320 times.

New routes and countries are on the way  

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Chiad
Posted 2012-11-15 03:53:25 and read 3319 times.

WOW
  
Thanks for the info!!!!

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: raffik
Posted 2012-11-15 03:58:14 and read 3319 times.

That's great news! Do you think they will become the new Dubai? The mass of orders and new routes is certainly a sign that Turkey's economy is on the up?!

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Tobias2702
Posted 2012-11-15 04:06:32 and read 3321 times.

"I would like to challenge this claim. According to Wikipedia, TK serves destinations in 95 countries (including disputed Kosovo and Northern Cyprus), but LH offers flights to 116 souvereign states."

Sorry, I have been to quick, the list included discontinued destinations. Let me recalculate before I make another claim.

[Edited 2012-11-15 04:13:22]

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Flyingsottsman
Posted 2012-11-15 04:08:41 and read 3323 times.

I would have thought EK would be ahead of TK for countrys served.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Quokkas
Posted 2012-11-15 04:20:57 and read 3324 times.

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 7):
I would have thought EK would be ahead of TK for countrys served.

No oddly enough. Despite the appearance of bowling the world over, Emirates offer flights to 127 destinations in 74 countries, with four more destinations to be commenced in the next few months. That will add two countries to their list as two destinations are in countries already served.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Tobias2702
Posted 2012-11-15 04:34:05 and read 3326 times.

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 6):
"I would like to challenge this claim. According to Wikipedia, TK serves destinations in 95 countries (including disputed Kosovo and Northern Cyprus), but LH offers flights to 116 souvereign states."

Sorry, I have been to quick, the list included discontinued destinations. Let me recalculate before I make another claim.

Ok, so here it goes:

TK serves 93 states (incl. Kosovo and Northern Cyprus)
"pure LH" (includes Regionals, but not OS, LX) serves 84 countries.

edit: I'd call it a tie between LH and TK. If you take OS and LX into account, it brings another 8 destinations, so the new total is 92. Most people would agree that Northern Cyprus is not a souvereign state, so it is indeed a draw.

But still, the TK network is impressive.

[Edited 2012-11-15 04:49:03]

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Flyingsottsman
Posted 2012-11-15 04:42:49 and read 3318 times.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 8):
No oddly enough. Despite the appearance of bowling the world over, Emirates offer flights to 127 destinations in 74 countries, with four more destinations to be commenced in the next few months. That will add two countries to their list as two destinations are in countries already served.

Ok gee I didnt know that. Seems to me that every airport you go in the world you see a EK tail. I wounder if TK will come down to Australia? I thought I may have read on here a year or two ago that TK was looking at SYD I wounder if they are still playing with that idea and could they come down here to MEL, big Turkish populations in bosth Sydney and Melbourne.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: leftyboarder
Posted 2012-11-15 04:43:20 and read 3318 times.

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 7):
I would have thought EK would be ahead of TK for countrys served.

Despite its size in ASKs - thanks mainly to an all widebody fleet and almost entirely medium to long haul operation - EK is not as big as some European or US airlines in many aspects. That includes fleet size, no of destinations, no of countries, no of daily flights.

Anyway, I would rather see a better coverage of some larger countries (China, India, Brazil, USA, Canada) than more countries. Thankfully that is on the way - with announcements for USA & Canada and plans for India and China.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Ben175
Posted 2012-11-15 04:51:00 and read 3317 times.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
I'm just waiting for Australia (particularly PER), and then I will be happy!

IST-PER-SYD/MEL (we can dream!)

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: leftyboarder
Posted 2012-11-15 05:02:00 and read 3318 times.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 12):
IST-PER-SYD/MEL (we can dream!)

That routing would get the distinction of the being the first to be closed in over a decade. Seriously, not enough pax to take a plane to Australia from Turkey. And connecting pax would rather fly QF/EK/EY/TG/SQ/CX...

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: TK1244
Posted 2012-11-15 05:09:36 and read 3320 times.

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 9):
I'd call it a tie between LH and TK.

between LH and TK? No tie!! It's only a tie when you compare LH group as whole and TK. But doing it all alone is a better achievement than doing the same with multiple airlines  

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Tobias2702
Posted 2012-11-15 05:19:13 and read 3318 times.

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 14):
between LH and TK? No tie!! It's only a tie when you compare LH group as whole and TK. But doing it all alone is a better achievement than doing the same with multiple airlines

Well, my argument here is that the reason why LH does not serve Macedonia, Montenegro, Slovakia or Armenia is because OS does. These destinations fit into the VIE hub, which -- being honest -- is also an LH hub.

But anyway, as stated above: TK offers an impressive network.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: 777way
Posted 2012-11-15 05:31:15 and read 3321 times.

No tie, only a single airline serving all destinations on its on is what counts here, however I wonder about TK expansion but good luck to them, I guess they know what they are doing.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-11-15 06:35:29 and read 3318 times.

Congrats I guess, although it's pretty clear TK was building its network to hit this number, rather than build it rationally.

Quoting 777way (Reply 16):
I guess they know what they are doing.

They're just adding anything and everything. NIMIST? Please. NKCIST? Why not.

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 15):
TK offers an impressive network.

Without question--far better than any of the Middle East three. However I'm worried they're also becoming an impressive mess as well.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: ASA
Posted 2012-11-15 10:20:46 and read 3317 times.

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 10):
Seems to me that every airport you go in the world you see a EK tail.

I think that's because EK focuses on the big hubs and trunk routes. And that's where most of us fly through or see pictures in aviation articles etc. In that sense, EK widebodies are indeed everywhere.

But if you go out of the way and to the regional and secondary cities, there will be an entirely different picture. For example, take Central Asia. You could hardly find an EK or QR destination there ... but the region is spectacularly covered by TK. Similarly, for eastern Europe or the Balkans ... EK serves only a few. Whereas, QR and TK flies their narrow bodies to almost every capital city in that region.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
Congrats I guess, although it's pretty clear TK was building its network to hit this number, rather than build it rationally.

It seems so ... you are right   But some of them are indeed great destinations as Africa is opening up more and more. TK's Africa map is already impressive and will be hard to match by EK ... QR is following a similar model in Eastern Africa, but not sure how much they can cover in the western part with their narrow bodies.

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 9):
edit: I'd call it a tie between LH and TK. If you take OS and LX into account, it brings another 8 destinations, so the new total is 92. Most people would agree that Northern Cyprus is not a souvereign state, so it is indeed a draw.

Maybe that's why Merkel and Erdogan decided to call it a draw and suggest "joint management" ... cause they are in a stalemate  

  

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Yakamoz
Posted 2012-11-15 13:10:28 and read 3316 times.

I study the winter flightplan of THY.

I've counted 86 countries and 193 cities.
There are also 13 cities in US which are flown with codeshare.
Also, there are inactive 1 country and 8 cities.

So totally, there are 87 countries and 214 cities served.

Is that right?

Thanks

Omer

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: danielkandi
Posted 2012-11-15 13:54:56 and read 3309 times.

Funny how popular they make themselves out to be. But a s**teload of really nasty replies are on their fb everyday. More so than KLM's and other popular FB airlines... I just wonder, why they deliver such a fair product inflight, but seem to leave the administrative side to such an amateur-like level.

Listen to their telephone centre in Istanbul. The waitinglines are horrible, the english is with heavy accent (instead of having it done in a studio by pro's, seems hobo-like for such a huge airlines) and it takes you AGES to actually get to some personell unless u wish to buy a flight and ONLY that... Luckily for me, i've been fortunate to avoid problems with my flights with them.

Ironically, I just raked in over the 40000+ miles with them, gold status they say. So I wonder what awaits me servicewise. I hope they do improve on the "help"side of things. I cant complain except for a long wait and no reply from them on the phone today. But seems they don't really care about the individuals outside miles&smiles on their FB. They just post a turkish phonenumber for their helpline and tell you to call that. On delta, klm, the likes, you get a proper response to even the slightest request, and sometimes to the big and hard ones too... Must say i've enjoyed their service inflight though! Plus the amazing food!

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: by738
Posted 2012-11-15 14:49:42 and read 3308 times.

Why do I get the feeling that this might come back to haunt them an may all end in tears ?

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Quokkas
Posted 2012-11-15 17:52:00 and read 3308 times.

Quoting ASA (Reply 18):
take Central Asia. You could hardly find an EK or QR destination there ... but the region is spectacularly covered by TK. Similarly, for eastern Europe or the Balkans .

I always wondered about that. Why did Dubai decide on setting up flydubai, which has concentrated on those areas, rather than just send EK? While there is some overlap in the Middle East and South Asia, flydubai serve 22 destinations in 10 countries that EK don't.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-11-15 18:21:32 and read 3310 times.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
I'm just waiting for Australia (particularly PER), and then I will be happy!

I read in another thread that Australia is no longer on TKs cards due to the QF/EK tie up... Apparently TK is working on establishing their presence in Australia utilizing Star* member TG...

EK413

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: lewis
Posted 2012-11-15 18:38:58 and read 3310 times.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 22):
Quoting ASA (Reply 18):
take Central Asia. You could hardly find an EK or QR destination there ... but the region is spectacularly covered by TK. Similarly, for eastern Europe or the Balkans .

I always wondered about that. Why did Dubai decide on setting up flydubai, which has concentrated on those areas, rather than just send EK? While there is some overlap in the Middle East and South Asia, flydubai serve 22 destinations in 10 countries that EK don't.
TK has very good coverage in the area as a lot of those Central Asian countries have historical and cultural links to Turkey - or the other way around. I doubt the likes of EK or QR would have been as successful in the region, apart from a couple of destinations here and there. The location of the IST hub is also ideal for attracting passengers from the Balkans (where local air service is regional at best) and E Europe.

[Edited 2012-11-15 18:40:21]

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: JOYA380B747
Posted 2012-11-15 18:56:42 and read 3605 times.

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 13):
And connecting pax would rather fly QF/EK/EY/TG/SQ/CX...

Or for that matter AI's soon to come LHR/CDG/FRA-DEL-MEL/SYD

But why not?

TK could always do a Kangaroo routing because who wouldn't like to hop over in IST for half a day before going onwards? Surely is hell lot better than DXB/DOH - More Euro connections, huge tourist-driven country.
In short Aussies going to Europe are better off going via IST than elsewhere.

[Edited 2012-11-15 19:01:17]

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: JU068
Posted 2012-11-15 21:32:04 and read 3601 times.

Actually you a

Quoting ASA (Reply 18):
But if you go out of the way and to the regional and secondary cities, there will be an entirely different picture. For example, take Central Asia. You could hardly find an EK or QR destination there ... but the region is spectacularly covered by TK. Similarly, for eastern Europe or the Balkans ... EK serves only a few. Whereas, QR and TK flies their narrow bodies to almost every capital city in that region.

How is eastern Europe not covered?

Belgrade: Qatar (Nov. 20), flydubai
Zagreb: Qatar
Skopje: flydubai
Athens: Emirates, Qatar, Etihad
Sofia: Qatar
Bucharest: Qatar, flydubai
Budapest: Qatar
Warsaw: Qatar, Emirates
Prague: Emirates

Seems to me like the region is well covered by the Middle Eastern carriers. I added flydubai because you can connect onto Emirates' flights with them in Dubai so it is kind of the same.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-11-15 22:32:45 and read 3767 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
Congrats I guess, although it's pretty clear TK was building its network to hit this number, rather than build it rationally.

While I see the TK management enjoying making broad marketing statements, I don't believe the network folks behind the scenes are dumb nor irrational. Sure things like the recent massive Africa expansion might be risky, but its rewards could be high as well.

For the most part I believe they view the network holistically these days, and don't rely on individual segment performance as the measuring stick, but view the macro contribution each spoke can generate to the greater airline.

Quoting danielkandi (Reply 20):
Funny how popular they make themselves out to be. But a s**teload of really nasty replies are on their fb everyday.

Like with everything you will have the detractors and lovers. TK imo has been rather weak player in the social media scene and frankly does not police or manage things like FB that well. I think at the end of the day, the number of positive interactions with TK far outweighs the negatives for the travelling public.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 26):
How is eastern Europe not covered?

One of the huge advantages TK has it ability to offer multiple daily frequencies. While Middle-East players can offer a single daily flight to many destinations, TK can offer many more thanks to the advantage of being at the door step of Europe.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: 777way
Posted 2012-11-16 04:29:29 and read 3697 times.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 26):

Why did you leave out former USSR east European countries? and Greece is Southern Europe not Eastern or have the economic crisis changed their geography now?

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: leftyboarder
Posted 2012-11-16 04:47:24 and read 3715 times.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 26):
How is eastern Europe not covered?

Belgrade: Qatar (Nov. 20), flydubai
Zagreb: Qatar
Skopje: flydubai
Athens: Emirates, Qatar, Etihad
Sofia: Qatar
Bucharest: Qatar, flydubai
Budapest: Qatar
Warsaw: Qatar, Emirates
Prague: Emirates

Well, add Tirana, Minsk, Sarajevo, Pristina, Chisinau, Podgorica, Thessaloniki (since you've included Athens), Dnipropetrovsk, Donetsk, Kiev, Lviv, Odessa, Simferopol for TK. And not counting Russia or the Caucasian republics for that matter. QR has 7 destinations, EK 3, EY just 1. FZ has 3 destinations. I count 22 for TK.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: 777way
Posted 2012-11-16 05:09:10 and read 3692 times.

^ in that case Flydubai do three cities in Ukraine too and Etihad do Minsk as well, not that it makes any difference.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Yakamoz
Posted 2012-11-16 05:58:00 and read 3697 times.

South America: 1 country / 1 destination
North America: 2 countries / 5 destinations
Africa: 17 countries / 26 destinations (inkl. Mombasa/Kilimanjaro starts 5 December, and Sebha,Libya (seasonal?))
Asia: 32 countries / 58 destinations (inkl. Male (starts 24 November), and Gyandzha,Azerbaijan)
Europe: 36 countries / 81 destinations (inkl. turkish Cyprus and Russia)
Domestic: 1 country / 34 destinations (inkl. Igdir (seasonal?)

Totally: 89 countries / 205 destinations
Why 90? (First posting in this thread)

Can someone write me, which destinations are now fix and not yet flown?

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Tupolev160
Posted 2012-11-16 06:21:44 and read 3675 times.

Besides flyDubai, Air Arabia flies to 4 cities in Ukraine as well, which is quite impressive. TK has tried to expand agressively into every major city in the CIS but given the competition on one hand and the customers loyalty to already present airlines on the other, i think they're bleeding heavily on those routes. Would be interesting to open a separate thread and compare the growth strategies of SU vs. TK.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Tobias2702
Posted 2012-11-16 07:25:51 and read 3672 times.

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 31):
South America: 1 country / 1 destination
North America: 2 countries / 5 destinations
Africa: 17 countries / 26 destinations (inkl. Mombasa/Kilimanjaro starts 5 December, and Sebha,Libya (seasonal?))
Asia: 32 countries / 58 destinations (inkl. Male (starts 24 November), and Gyandzha,Azerbaijan)
Europe: 36 countries / 81 destinations (inkl. turkish Cyprus and Russia)
Domestic: 1 country / 34 destinations (inkl. Igdir (seasonal?)

Totally: 89 countries / 205 destinations
Why 90? (First posting in this thread)

Trusting Wikipedia (which in terms of airlines/destinations tends to be quite up-to-date), the list looks like this (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Airlines_destinations)

For Africa, it lists 21: Algeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Ghana, Morocco, Nigeria, South Africa, Sudan, Tunisia, DR Congo, Djibouti, Côte d'Ivoire, Kenya (Mombasa doesn't matter, as Nairobi is served), Lybia, Mauritania, Rwanda, Senegal, Somalia, Tanzania, Uganda, Yemen

Then, there are the following 6 countries, of which the continent they should be counted for or their independence are disputed: Turkey, Russia, Georgia, Azerbaidjan, Northern Cyprus, Kosovo

For Asia, this leaves the following 30 countries: Bahrain, China, Hongkong, India, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Tadjikistan, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Korea, Thailand, Turkmenistan, United Arab Emirates, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Kyrgystan, Mongolia, Pakistan, Uzbekistan

And for 31 Europe: Albania, Austria, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Rep., Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Moldova, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Serbia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine, Great Britain, Macedonia, Montenegro, Slovenia

Plus 3 from the Americas (USA, Canada, Brazil) makes a grand total of 90 countries served by TK, in case Northern Cyprus is not counted. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Edited 2012-11-16 07:28:31]

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-11-16 07:26:15 and read 3660 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 27):
I don't believe the network folks behind the scenes are dumb nor irrational

The network folks are probably great; it's the politics and egos directing the network folks that are overrotating the airline

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: leftyboarder
Posted 2012-11-16 07:35:24 and read 3680 times.

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 33):
For Africa, it lists 21: Algeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Ghana, Morocco, Nigeria, South Africa, Sudan, Tunisia, DR Congo, Djibouti, Côte d'Ivoire, Kenya (Mombasa doesn't matter, as Nairobi is served), Lybia, Mauritania, Rwanda, Senegal, Somalia, Tanzania, Uganda, Yemen

Maldives, Niger and Burkina Faso will be joining that in less than a month.

Lithuania, Estonia, Eritrea, Cameroon, Gabon, Angola, Luxembourg, Argentina, Philippines, Malta, Cuba, Venezuela, Mexico also have been announced at one time or another. I am sure we will be seeing at least half of those by next summer.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Yakamoz
Posted 2012-11-16 08:10:14 and read 3675 times.

Hello Tobias

Thanks for the list and the great link.
I've found my failure in my list. I put Hong Kong as a city of China, not an own country. Sorry..
So then i have also 90 countries and 205 cities.

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 33):
For Africa, it lists 21: Algeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Ghana, Morocco, Nigeria, South Africa, Sudan, Tunisia, DR Congo, Djibouti, Côte d'Ivoire, Kenya (Mombasa doesn't matter, as Nairobi is served), Lybia, Mauritania, Rwanda, Senegal, Somalia, Tanzania, Uganda, Yemen

Yemen is in Asia i think. And i put Maldives also to Asia.
I've never found the flights to Côte d'Ivoire and Somalia. Are they seasonal (so just summer)?

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 33):
For Asia, this leaves the following 30 countries: Bahrain, China, Hongkong, India, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Tadjikistan, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Korea, Thailand, Turkmenistan, United Arab Emirates, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Kyrgystan, Mongolia, Pakistan, Uzbekistan

Is Ulanbatoor, Mongolia flown seasonal?

For Europe there is also Malta and Ireland.

In the end: When we put Syria, Mongolia, Somalia and Côte d'Ivoire to the list, then there are 94 countries and 210 destinations, out of them, 205 destinations and 90 countries.

[Edited 2012-11-16 08:15:41]

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: SepulTALLICA
Posted 2012-11-16 08:12:12 and read 3668 times.

Anyone from TK have an idea when their previously announced flights to Gabon, Guinea, Cameroon, Zambia are meant to start, if at all?

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-11-17 13:57:17 and read 3623 times.

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 36):
I've found my failure in my list. I put Hong Kong as a city of China, not an own country.

Hong Kong is a "Special Administrative Region" of China, not a separate country. Macau has the same status.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Steelyman
Posted 2012-11-17 14:30:26 and read 3619 times.

Quoting SepulTALLICA (Reply 37):

I believe Cameroon is due to start with Duala/Younde operations in short time, I'm not sure if already released or not, I'll check next week

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-11-17 14:43:09 and read 3627 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 38):
not a separate country

While HKSAR and Macau SAR do not have independent legal personalities, and are therefore not a state for the purposes of international law, they are administratively independent, with their own bilaterals, immigration/customs etc.

If one wanted to be picky, then Taiwan/Republic of China isn't a country either.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: TK1244
Posted 2012-11-18 02:14:10 and read 3600 times.

According to Hamdi Topçu:
Turkish Airlines is...
1th in terms of countries flown
5th in terms of cities flown

Source: Airporthaber.com

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: JU068
Posted 2012-11-18 02:34:12 and read 3579 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 27):
One of the huge advantages TK has it ability to offer multiple daily frequencies. While Middle-East players can offer a single daily flight to many destinations, TK can offer many more thanks to the advantage of being at the door step of Europe.

Yes but I was merely pointing out that Middle Eastern carriers are present in the region, as some people claimed otherwise.

Quoting 777way (Reply 28):
Why did you leave out former USSR east European countries? and Greece is Southern Europe not Eastern or have the economic crisis changed their geography now?

Please go and read what ASA wrote and then re-read my comment. He mentioned the Balkans, and Greece is part of the peninsula so of course I am going to mention it. however, I fail to see how the economic crisis is relevant to geography here.

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 29):
Well, add Tirana, Minsk, Sarajevo, Pristina, Chisinau, Podgorica, Thessaloniki (since you've included Athens), Dnipropetrovsk, Donetsk, Kiev, Lviv, Odessa, Simferopol for TK. And not counting Russia or the Caucasian republics for that matter. QR has 7 destinations, EK 3, EY just 1. FZ has 3 destinations. I count 22 for TK.

I don't see how relevant your comment is in relation to the presence of Middle Eastern carriers in that particular region. Unless it is one of those my horse is bigger than your horse moments.
And anyway, most of the destinations you have mentioned see competition from Middle Eastern carriers.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: ASA
Posted 2012-11-18 04:42:44 and read 3562 times.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 42):
Yes but I was merely pointing out that Middle Eastern carriers are present in the region, as some people claimed otherwise.
Quoting JU068 (Reply 42):
Please go and read what ASA wrote and then re-read my comment. He mentioned the Balkans, and Greece is part of the peninsula so of course I am going to mention it. however, I fail to see how the economic crisis is relevant to geography here.

I understand your point. I actually didn't say middle eastern carriers ... I meant EK specifically.

I think i was replying to another poster's (Flyingsottsman) comments about the perception that you see EK tails everywhere more than others. So I was saying that in Central Asia ... it's TK tails everywhere. And for Balkans, you see both Turkish AND Qatar tails. They have the region well-covered with their narrowbodies ... whereas EK seems to cover few capital cities (as you pointed out) with widebodies.

Basically, I find TK and QR's models of wide + narrow combinations more suited for expansion and long term. EK has the hubs and trunk routes well covered - but I wonder if they can throw A332s or B777s everywhere (secondary or regional destinations) once they have flooded the major airports with A380s.

But, as you mentioned, EK may not be everywhere. Now that they have 'flydubai' ... they are using that for covering secondary cities. So in a sense, they WILL be everywhere! Big grin

[Edited 2012-11-18 04:44:14]

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: JU068
Posted 2012-11-18 21:41:34 and read 3518 times.

Quoting ASA (Reply 43):

Haha yes! But if you think about it, this co-operation between flydubai and Emirates is way wiser than if Emirates started flying their own narrow-body metal. I am sure that flydubai has a much lighter cost structure which makes it far more competitive within this market.
However, their problem is (for now) that they can't launch flights beyond Belgrade due to crew working hours.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Argentina
Posted 2012-11-19 16:53:49 and read 3476 times.

And now Argentina has joined the list

From airlineroute.net
Turkish Airlines to Start Buenos Aires Operation from Dec 2012

Update at 0840GMT 19NOV12

Turkish Airlines starting 11DEC12 is extending its 4 weekly Istanbul – Sao Paulo operation to Buenos Aires, on board Boeing 777-300ER aircraft. With the service extension, Sao Paulo – Istanbul sector sees operational schedule changes, which has been reflected in the GDS since July 2012. However, reservation for Sao Paulo – Buenos Aires sector did not appear until Saturday 17NOV12.

Schedule:

TK015 IST0920 – 1900GRU2015 – 2155EZE 77W x146
TK016 EZE2355 – 0345+1GRU0505+1 – 2125+1IST 77W x146

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Yakamoz
Posted 2012-11-20 01:54:55 and read 3454 times.

To summarise the next starts:

24.11.2012 Istanbul - Male
04.12.2012 Istanbul - Kilimanjaro - Mombasa
11.12.2012 Istanbul - Sao Paulo - BUENOS AIRES
15.12.2012 Istanbul - Ouagadougou - Niamey

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: leftyboarder
Posted 2012-11-20 03:11:25 and read 3436 times.

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 46):
To summarise the next starts:

24.11.2012 Istanbul - Male
04.12.2012 Istanbul - Kilimanjaro - Mombasa
11.12.2012 Istanbul - Sao Paulo - BUENOS AIRES
15.12.2012 Istanbul - Ouagadougou - Niamey

  

We can expect more short haul additions after March 2013 with summer timetable - Constanta, Krakow, Malta, Marseille, Asmara, Luxembourg, Tallinn, Vilnius, Kermanshah, Esfahan maybe?

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: 777way
Posted 2012-11-20 06:17:59 and read 3422 times.

Why dont TK serve secondary cities in Central Asia Khujand, Bukhara, Samarkand, Osh, Aktau, Atyrau, Aktobe are a few that see international carriers.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-11-20 07:13:48 and read 3419 times.

Quoting 777way (Reply 48):
Why dont TK serve secondary cities in Central Asia Khujand, Bukhara, Samarkand, Osh, Aktau, Atyrau, Aktobe are a few that see international carriers.

That's next week 
Quoting Argentina (Reply 45):
TK015 IST0920 – 1900GRU2015 – 2155EZE 77W x146
TK016 EZE2355 – 0345+1GRU0505+1 – 2125+1IST 77W x146

What a dreadful schedule

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Turkish350XWB
Posted 2012-11-20 08:14:23 and read 3398 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 49):
What a dreadful schedule

It is very well suited for fitting this route to Far-East and Middle East schedule.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-11-20 08:25:50 and read 3404 times.

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 50):

It is very well suited for fitting this route to Far-East and Middle East schedule.

Who in their right mind would take a 0500 departure to the Far East when they could take CA at 1900, arriving in PEK at 0600, or any of the EU carriers in the evening, connecting to an afternoon flight to Asia the following day. This schedule is terrible for the local market, and you lose 90% of the connectivity in IST anyway, both directions.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Turkish350XWB
Posted 2012-11-20 09:09:06 and read 3374 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 51):
and you lose 90% of the connectivity in IST

How did you calculate this ?

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: migair54
Posted 2012-11-20 09:45:28 and read 3365 times.

92, i don´t know if i make a mistake but basically that´s all the countries i have seen in the different webs.



Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-11-20 10:16:24 and read 3362 times.

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 52):

How did you calculate this ?

I should have said "most'; it's not an exact number--a late night IST departure would allow most of the TK network to connect to ISTGRU, plus be much more advantageous for the local market. The current 0920 departure means TK only gets whatever arrives between ~0500 and 0820, plus is terrible for the local market. The return has the same issue.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Steelyman
Posted 2012-11-20 11:34:59 and read 3352 times.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 53):

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Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-11-20 11:52:45 and read 3352 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 54):
. The current 0920 departure means TK only gets whatever arrives between ~0500 and 0820, plus is terrible for the local market.

I think you are missing the point. Early AM departure is on purpose - its designed for connections quite well. Today GRU already departs at 0930.

And no, 0920 is not bad for local market. TK has tons of 7am onwards departures at IST. Matter of fact their first JFK flight even departs at 0725.

The 0920 departure will allow for connections from entire Mid East, much of the CIS, Africa, South Asia, along with Far East with the exception of NRT.

The 2125 return will allow reverse connections to most everything Eastward except India/Pakistan and NRT.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Turkish350XWB
Posted 2012-11-20 12:00:42 and read 3346 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 54):
I should have said "most'; it's not an exact number--a late night IST departure would allow most of the TK network to connect to ISTGRU, plus be much more advantageous for the local market. The current 0920 departure means TK only gets whatever arrives between ~0500 and 0820, plus is terrible for the local market. The return has the same issue.

The reason why i asked for the number is that i believe you have not taken into account direction of connection. No one will fly from CDG to GRU via IST. The main market for GRU is meant to be Middle East and Far East. And here connectivity is very good.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-11-20 12:19:09 and read 3356 times.

For reference the top existing network transfer markets on the GRU flight today are:

1. BEY
2. ATH
3. TLV
4. DEL
5. PVG
6. AMM
7. ICN
8. HKG
9. CAI
10.PEK

On average the GRU flight has almost 40 onward connection markets that generate regular traffic flow.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: Turkish350XWB
Posted 2012-11-20 13:06:32 and read 3346 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 58):
For reference the top existing network transfer markets on the GRU flight today are:

How do you know that ?

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-11-20 13:23:11 and read 3345 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 56):
And no, 0920 is not bad for local market

The 0920 is not really the concern, although it's still suboptimal for the local market; it's the 0500 daylight Eastbound. Where on earth does that actually work? AF can't even make a daylight NYCCDG work at a reasonable time.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 56):
Early AM departure is on purpose - its designed for connections quite well

I understand why they're doing it, but they're going after very competitive connecting markets at the expense of the local market.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 58):
For reference the top existing network transfer markets on the GRU flight today are:

Many of these are in the 1230 bank, and all of them would still connect regardless if TK arrived earlier in the day.

Topic: RE: Turkish Airlines Now Serves The Most Countries
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-11-20 13:23:16 and read 3347 times.

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