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Topic: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: JAAlbert
Posted 2012-11-20 17:54:00 and read 10806 times.

So I was perusing some of my favorite websites (Kayak for one) for a flight from SAN to NYC and up pops up an itinerary with a layover in ORD of - 35 minutes (Flights 1096-2240). At first I thought perhaps this is a problem of the travel websites such as Orbitz, Kayak, etc. searching out the absolute lowest fare combinations regardless of feasibility, but I checked out the AA website and it offers the same itinerary! Last year I had the same experience using the UA/CO website searching for a red-eye flight between SAN-EWR. (CO offered a great redeye nonstop now operated by UAL- I love that flight). I recall the site prominently offered an itinerary that transferred through Cleveland at 4:00 a.m. giving only 22 minutes.

I realize I have a bit of responsibility to book flights with sensible transfer times - but really, if an airline offers the itinerary, it must be a representation that it believes it can get you and your checked baggage off one plane and onto the next faster than most folks can run a mile.

Why would an airline set itself up for all the drama that attends passengers missing connections - or arriving at their destination minus their bags? Doesn't the airline have an obligation to rebook or accommodate the passenger who misses his connection due to an impossibly short transfer time?

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: 9252fly
Posted 2012-11-20 18:27:21 and read 10727 times.

Quoting JAAlbert (Thread starter):
Why would an airline set itself up for all the drama

To put it simply, if that's what it takes to entice the sale. Many consumers want their journey's to be as short as possible and many GDS systems prioritize flight combinations with the shortest total duration at the top of the screen. That's a impressively short legal connection in CLE. Yes, the airline would be responsible for you and your baggage.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: usflyer msp
Posted 2012-11-20 18:43:49 and read 10662 times.

I book 30-35 minute connections all the time and have never missed one. They are definitely realistic as long as the flights are on-time. I even used to book 20-minute connections with YX in MKE and never missed one of those either.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: TVNWZ
Posted 2012-11-20 18:59:26 and read 10595 times.

So far this year, out of my 64 segments on DL, only a handful have had a connection longer than one hour. This includes connections in MSP, DTW, ATL, and MEM. Most have been 35-40 minutes. I have only missed one due to maintainance leaving TPA. I don't even worry about it anymore.

DL puts enough pad into their times such that if you leave on time, you will probably arrive 5-10 minutes early.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-11-20 19:00:33 and read 10581 times.

Quoting JAAlbert (Thread starter):
but really, if an airline offers the itinerary, it must be a representation that it believes it can get you and your checked baggage off one plane and onto the next faster than most folks can run a mile.

Why? If you are talking about UA at ORD, there are no two gates that are more than about a 15 minute walk apart (B banana peel to F14). If everything works, it can be done. Of course, it can get blown too, but I wonder whether that's appreciably more likely on a 35 minute connection than on a 50 or 55 minute connection.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: mpdpilot
Posted 2012-11-20 19:01:48 and read 10580 times.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 2):

I book 30-35 minute connections all the time and have never missed one. They are definitely realistic as long as the flights are on-time. I even used to book 20-minute connections with YX in MKE and never missed one of those either.

I agree, I book them depending on the airport, airline, and time of year.

Like a 30min connection in ORD in January that might be risky

But a 20min connection in PHX in January is no problem.

Man do miss YX... The good old days!

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: C767P
Posted 2012-11-20 19:05:43 and read 10553 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Why? If you are talking about UA at ORD, there are no two gates that are more than about a 15 minute walk apart (B banana peel to F14).

True, the walk from B22 or C1/C21 is only about 15 minutes to F14, once you are off the plane. If you are in the back of a 739, 752, or the worst case, the last row of a 753, there is no way to make a 30 min connection.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: pilotfox
Posted 2012-11-20 19:07:35 and read 10545 times.

I was looking at tickets for EWR-TXL a few weeks ago. LH was offering flights EWR-DUS-TXL with a 35 min layover in DUS. I don't know how that would be possible clearing customs and such.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-11-20 19:07:44 and read 10541 times.

Quoting C767P (Reply 6):
If you are in the back of a 739, 752, or the worst case, the last row of a 753, there is no way to make a 30 min connection.

Why in the world would you book a 30 minute connection and then select a seat in the last row?

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: C767P
Posted 2012-11-20 19:09:58 and read 10531 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
Why in the world would you book a 30 minute connection and then select a seat in the last row?

You wouldn't but some times it is not an option. This past summer, if you booked late, you did not get much choice of where you sit.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-11-20 19:17:32 and read 10488 times.

Quoting C767P (Reply 9):
You wouldn't but some times it is not an option.

Then don't buy the connection. I don't really see the issue here. Sometimes, it's fine to book a connection that short. Sometimes, it's really dumb to do so. People need to think before they book. When they don't think, it can be unpleasant.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: C767P
Posted 2012-11-20 19:26:03 and read 10439 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
When they don't think, it can be unpleasant.

I don’t have an issue making connections. When it was mentioned 30 minute connections at ORD are possible walking from extreme ends for UA I was just pointing out that where you sit on the plane matters.

Unfortunately many people don’t think when it comes to air travel. I do believe that is why the OP was asking this question. For a majority of passengers, they don’t take much of anything into consideration. With this one, I don’t blame them, if they can book it, must be doable…

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-11-20 19:32:08 and read 10402 times.

Quoting C767P (Reply 11):
With this one, I don’t blame them, if they can book it, must be doable…

I think most passengers grasp that there are things that are doable that are not wise or pleasant. A five hour connection is obviously doable. That doesn't mean that most passengers like them.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-20 19:47:43 and read 10327 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):

Why in the world would you book a 30 minute connection and then select a seat in the last row?

Many people don't look into the amount of time that it will take to get off the plane. Many people just don't put that much thought into buying an airline ticket. They just look at how long the trip is.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
Then don't buy the connection. I don't really see the issue here. Sometimes, it's fine to book a connection that short. Sometimes, it's really dumb to do so. People need to think before they book. When they don't think, it can be unpleasant.

What if it an international flight with only one option? If they can only afford the short connection, then they book it. These people aren'r dumb, they just try to live within their means.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: FI642
Posted 2012-11-20 20:15:38 and read 10197 times.

What are the published MCT's? Will the GDS and CRS allow you to book under those times?

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: RIXrat
Posted 2012-11-20 21:34:10 and read 9985 times.

A few years ago I flew SAV-JFK-CDG-PRG-RIX because ATL was iced in. The Delta connection on the CRJ went fine, except I had to walk down the up ramp to reach the AF terminal where the red eye 777 waited. When AF touched down in CDG there was only 35 minutes before their A320 was leaving from another non-descrip terminal to PRG a long mini-bus ride from the place we landed. I had already written off my luggage and just barely made the connecting flight. After landing in PRG, I had to wait for a few hours for my OK flight to RIX. Wonder of wonders. My luggage showed up with me.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: Richcandy
Posted 2012-11-20 22:09:47 and read 9894 times.

Quoting pilotfox (Reply 7):

I was looking at tickets for EWR-TXL a few weeks ago. LH was offering flights EWR-DUS-TXL with a 35 min layover in DUS. I don't know how that would be possible clearing customs and such.

Guess it depend on where you clear customs.

In the past you used to be able to check in at say SFO for a flight to GLA via LHR. At SFO they would tag the bags all the way to GLA and issue both boarding cards. On arrival at LHR you went to flight connections were they stamped your passport. Then when you got to GLA you picked up your bags and went through customs there. (Three paths to the exit of the airport from baggage reclaim. Blue=Domestic and EU arrivals. Green=nothing to declare non eu and Red= goods to declare eu.)

I guess there might be similar systems in other EU countries.

Alex

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: aklrno
Posted 2012-11-21 00:19:09 and read 9640 times.

Maybe airlines should tag connections with ratings kind of like ski runs. A 35 minute connection at most large airports is a black diamond. Only recommended for experts who are flying first class.

I've made many 30-45 minute connections, but I keep a lot of things in mind:

Will I be in first class, or WN early board, hence in the front of the plane?

Will I have checked baggage that I will regret not having upon arrival? If I'm flying home it doesn't matter much.

Will I be starting early in the day, hence less likely to have a delayed start?

Will I be connecting at an airport that is not likely to have arrival delays? I never connect at SFO!

How far is the worst possible walk to the gate? T1 at LAX, RNO are all trivial. Even the United terminal at DEN is fast to get through. If I don't know the airport and can't find a map, I may not try it. Remember the old Stapleton airport? The walk could take 30 minutes itself! Whoever said PHX was easy has not had the longest possible walk connecting on US!

Will the plane even arrive at a gate, or will there be a bus ride to the terminal? That's real common in Europe (FRA!) and can even happen on occasion at LAX. At some airports the commuter flights arrive at a remote terminal. At SFO some United flights arrive at the opposite end of the airport from the other flights. Another reason to avoid SFO.

Will the airline look out for me? Some airlines try to hold the flight for arriving passengers (WN). At DEN UA waits for no one. At MUC and FRA LH will do everything they can to get you to your connection. Sometimes a van is waiting at your plane to whisk you to the next flight. I have had ground staff escort my group through MUC to get us through as fast as possible. More than once I heard the door slam behind me and the pushback begin before I had my seat belt fastened.

A few months ago I scheduled a 90 minute connection for an international arrival, walk from T2 to T8 at LAX, then through security. It seemed risky, but it was the best I could arrange. I managed to get seat 7A on an NZ 777 which meant I was next to the door, and was the first one out. The plane was delayed for a tech issue at AKL, and although I was first off I managed to be behind another flight at passport control. There was also a bit of a queue for customs, but at least my baggage was carry on so I missed that wait. After that my luck got better. There was not a single person at the T6 security checkpoint at LAX! UA had approved me for the abbreviated security check, and the TSA people were helpful! I made it to the gate just as they called my boarding group. Definitely a black diamond run!

If nothing else is available, a 35 minute connection looks good.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2012-11-21 01:31:18 and read 9495 times.

Quoting FI642 (Reply 14):
What are the published MCT's? Will the GDS and CRS allow you to book under those times?

Each individual airport has a different minimum connection time for.
Int-Int
Dom-dom
dom-Int
Int-dom

Amadeus and Galileo have warning messages to tell the agent that it is below the minimum connection time but as I remember it was still possible to book and ticket (though when I was an agent the etkt was in its infancy). However if a passenger misses the connection the Agent risks an Airline Debit Memo in the mail for the costs of rebooking.

Airlines allow exceptions for connections between certain ports to be commercially competitive, and to allow connections between ports that otherwise could not be made.

I book my flights to be comfortable, not to ever be stressed during my journey. I am happy with a 3-6h or even longer transit, I'm happy plane spotting in many airports, and only those I know are hopeless for spotting will I reduce my transit time.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: bjorn14
Posted 2012-11-21 04:33:46 and read 9144 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 13):
What if it an international flight with only one option?

Usually the legal connect time is an hour to 1 and a half.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: airbazar
Posted 2012-11-21 05:51:11 and read 8979 times.

Quoting pilotfox (Reply 7):
I was looking at tickets for EWR-TXL a few weeks ago. LH was offering flights EWR-DUS-TXL with a 35 min layover in DUS. I don't know how that would be possible clearing customs and such.

You don't clear customs at DUS. You do it at your final destination: TXL. Connections in Germany are incredibly fast although my only experiences are with FRA and MUC.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: tdscanuck
Posted 2012-11-21 07:19:02 and read 8621 times.

Quoting JAAlbert (Thread starter):
Why would an airline set itself up for all the drama that attends passengers missing connections - or arriving at their destination minus their bags?

Probably because that particular connection has an inbound flight that's one of the last to arrive in the bank and an outbound that's one of the first to leave. The outbound aircraft is carrying people from a huge number of other inbound flights in addition to the one with the short connection; the airline has to weight the benefit of the higher utilization and shorter connections for other people (people don't like long connections either) against the potential cost of the missed connection.

Quoting JAAlbert (Thread starter):
Doesn't the airline have an obligation to rebook or accommodate the passenger who misses his connection due to an impossibly short transfer time?

Yes. But it may well be that the probability x cost of accommodating the missed connection is lower than the benefits they're getting elsewhere in the network.

Tom.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: AA94
Posted 2012-11-21 07:22:02 and read 8602 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 20):
You don't clear customs at DUS. You do it at your final destination: TXL. Connections in Germany are incredibly fast although my only experiences are with FRA and MUC.

  

Quoting pilotfox (Reply 7):
I was looking at tickets for EWR-TXL a few weeks ago. LH was offering flights EWR-DUS-TXL with a 35 min layover in DUS. I don't know how that would be possible clearing customs and such.

Even at large airports, quick connections are absolutely possible, even with international flights. I recently flew JFK-MAD-ALC, and I made it off the inbound flight to my gate for my ALC flight in around 20 minutes, and most of that was due to the overall size of T4 at MAD. There was no line at either passport control or security.

I realize during peak travel times, things might be busier, but it definitely can be done.

That said, people should still be smart. Look at terminal maps. Especially if you have to change terminals, or transit from a satellite terminal to a main terminal, more room needs to be allotted for connections.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: downtown273
Posted 2012-11-21 07:32:53 and read 8449 times.

Quoting JAAlbert (Thread starter):
Why would an airline set itself up for all the drama that attends passengers missing connections - or arriving at their destination minus their bags?

I'm sure the airlines have done their maths. If they sell the 30 minute transfer it's because they believe the revenue generated by that ticket will offset the losses generated the times when the connection is missed and the pax need to be rebooked.

I travel for business and I always take the shortest connection possible. I do RTM-LCY-DUB on Air France regularly. In LCY you have to wait until everyone deplanes, bus ride to the terminal, clear immigration, go through security and board the next flight. They sell the flights with a 25 minute connection. I've been there and done that. I do pay extra for only having a 25 minute stop in London City. I don't want to be there for 2 hours, it adds no value to me.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2012-11-21 08:32:36 and read 7771 times.

I almost missed a 37-minute connection at CLE once because I was the last off the plane, but I didn't because my connecting flight to FWA was delayed by two hours.

I did have a 50-minute connection at DTW (a huge airport) recently, and thanks to DTW's layout, I still had time to get some pizza before my flight. One of my relatives used to book 50-minute connections at DFW (which is even bigger) for business with no problems as well, even before Skylink opened up.

[Edited 2012-11-21 08:33:29]

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: fn1001
Posted 2012-11-21 09:11:02 and read 7605 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 20):
You don't clear customs at DUS. You do it at your final destination: TXL. Connections in Germany are incredibly fast although my only experiences are with FRA and MUC.

No!

I often fly from outside Schengen into Germany and Austria and always clear customs and immigration at the first entry point. The domestic (or intra-Schenghen) connection comes after immigration.

This happens in VIE and FRA. It is true, that the officers are quick and efficient, but if there have landed 3 Air China jumbos and one Aeroflot shortly before, it will take some time.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-11-21 09:24:13 and read 7452 times.

The main issue I have with such short layovers, especially with international connections, is if one flight goes awry, then you're screwed with your next flight. If you're not a miles member, you will have to wait a long time for a replacement flight.

When I came back from NRT to connect in SEA, I had a 40 minute layover. Our plane plowed through the air with no tail wind, and upon arrival, we had a small issue with cargo which needed attention, which means I already missed my AS connection to PHX after waiting for god knows how long in customs.

My point is, the best options that DL offers online are the shortest connection times. All of my options back to PHX were either have the 40 minute connection or wait for 5 hours for a different connection back to PHX.

Why I wish we had more direct international options   

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: foppishbum
Posted 2012-11-21 09:36:14 and read 7360 times.

I technically missed my connection to BUR from SLC last time with 40 min connection in SLC. I was lucky that the BUR flight was delayed for almost an hour. I guess anything that goes out of JFK has a huge potential to make you miss the connection. I'm doing it again 11/29...40 min. in SLC. Let's hope the JFK-SLC flight won't delay this time.

http://travels.wesleylin.net

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: Koosi
Posted 2012-11-21 11:16:31 and read 6378 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 20):
You don't clear customs at DUS. You do it at your final destination: TXL. Connections in Germany are incredibly fast although my only experiences are with FRA and MUC.

You're right, you don't clear customs at DUS. HOWEVER, you have to go through immigration at DUS and that can be a lengthy process for non-EU (plus a few other countries) citizens. Customs is actually the easier part, all you have to do is breeze through the green lane (well, usually) after picking up your bags.

Quoting fn1001 (Reply 25):
No!

I often fly from outside Schengen into Germany and Austria and always clear customs and immigration at the first entry point. The domestic (or intra-Schenghen) connection comes after immigration.

This happens in VIE and FRA. It is true, that the officers are quick and efficient, but if there have landed 3 Air China jumbos and one Aeroflot shortly before, it will take some time.

Nope, you only clear immigration at your port of entry into the Schengen area. Customs is dealt with at your final destinations.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: airbazar
Posted 2012-11-21 11:20:44 and read 6315 times.

Quoting fn1001 (Reply 25):
No!

I often fly from outside Schengen into Germany and Austria and always clear customs and immigration at the first entry point. The domestic (or intra-Schenghen) connection comes after immigration.

How can you clear customs if you check your bag thru to the final destination? That doesn't make any sense.
To the best of my knowledge, in Europe immigration is done at the first point of entry, and customs is done at your final destination, after you collect your bags. At least that's been the case for me every time.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: RamblinMan
Posted 2012-11-21 11:25:21 and read 6277 times.

Airlines set a minimum allowable connection time at each airport. Flight combinations which allow time above that threshold are offered for sale, flight combinations with time below that threshold are not. expedia, kayak, etc cannot display itineraries that the airline isn't selling. (well, actually, they often do, then you get an error message, but that's another story)

There is, however, one notable exception. The travel sites sometimes create multi-airline itineraries and use the legal minimum connect times established by one airline without taking into account that transferring between carriers may involve a change of terminal. I was once using expedia and booked SNN-PHL-ORD-BNA, with PHL-ORD on UA and ORD-BNA on AA. A schedule change left me with 4 hours in PHL and just 26 minutes to go from T1 to T3 at ORD. I called expedia and the rep in the Philippines who has probably never even been to O'Hell initially refused to change it because it was above the legal minimum time of, you guessed it...25 minutes. Had to go through 2 supervisors to get an earlier ride out of PHL.

So just because it's offered for sale doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: avion660
Posted 2012-11-21 11:48:33 and read 6055 times.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 18):
I book my flights to be comfortable, not to ever be stressed during my journey. I am happy with a 3-6h or even longer transit, I'm happy plane spotting in many airports, and only those I know are hopeless for spotting will I reduce my transit time.

Me too! Except sometimes the best laid plans go awry. I had a 2 hour 50 minute connection in ORD last summer (LHR-ORD-STL) which the airline changed to an earlier flight and 2 hours connection. Still plenty of time for photos. Well, I missed them both, due to a 3 hour 6 minute wait to clear immigration. How we got onto the day's last flight to STL is a (delightful) mystery to me.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: boilerla
Posted 2012-11-21 13:06:50 and read 5343 times.

Quoting C767P (Reply 11):
Unfortunately many people don’t think when it comes to air travel. I do believe that is why the OP was asking this question. For a majority of passengers, they don’t take much of anything into consideration. With this one, I don’t blame them, if they can book it, must be doable…

  

I was talking to a GA the other day about this actually. The person in front of me was an irate women in her 30s with 3 kids. She had booked a 30 min connection at ORD, and she didn't make the trek from B to F in time for her flight, towing 3 children across the entire airport (she also probably didn't know there was a shuttle). She was mad at United because a) they didn't hold her flight and b) letting her book the flight when "everything is so far apart".

Yada yada personal responsibility...but in the end, I'm sure she just looked at a) total transit time (which is always in big, bold font on every web site) and b) price. Everything else was immaterial, until she missed her connection. The GA's response: "Yeah, the Internet has made everyone a travel agent, except most people are pretty clueless about travel."

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: uALWN
Posted 2012-11-21 13:22:41 and read 5164 times.

Quoting pilotfox (Reply 7):
EWR-DUS-TXL with a 35 min layover in DUS. I don't know how that would be possible clearing customs and such.

Earlier this year I flew ORD-DUS-BCN on LH with a 55 min layover at DUS. The plane left ~45 minutes late from ORD. I was sure I'd miss my connection. Well, we landed only about 20 min late, and then, 15 minutes after the wheels touched the ground, I was boarding the DUS-BCN plane. Amazing. I had to go through passport control (~2 min), but no security (and no customs.)

Quoting airbazar (Reply 20):
You don't clear customs at DUS. You do it at your final destination: TXL. Connections in Germany are incredibly fast although my only experiences are with FRA and MUC.

If you think connections are fast at FRA or MUC, try DUS.

Quoting Koosi (Reply 28):
HOWEVER, you have to go through immigration at DUS and that can be a lengthy process for non-EU (plus a few other countries) citizens.

It took me (with a EU passport), all of 2 minutes.

[Edited 2012-11-21 13:24:23]

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: cosyr
Posted 2012-11-21 15:02:40 and read 4293 times.

I don't think I have ever had a flight be 5-10 minutes late. They are always on-time, early or an hour+ late, so short transfers have never been an issue, particularly when I fly through CLE, since it is such an easy airport. Even so, I would never cut it that close at ORD or EWR, because you could spend 20 minutes taxiing to the gate even if you land on time, and they are big and crowded. If the airline says a certain transfer is possible I tend to trust them (unless customs is involved.) I just make sure I'm never on the last flight of the day as a cusion.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: brilondon
Posted 2012-11-21 15:20:12 and read 4155 times.

35 minutes is plenty of time even if you have to re-clear security. Do you doddle? then it may be a problem. I have arrived at the Inter-Island terminal at HNL and was still able to make my 30 minute connection to Atlanta with having to go through the agricultural inspection and grab a coffee yet still make my flight. You just can't lolly gag and take your time, although usually they will hold your connecting flight if you are checked in. As this occurred to me when I was delayed in arriving from BUF connecting to my flight to NRT via LAX, the flight was being held for me. Now I suppose that if my flight from BUF was more than say the 27 minutes late than they would have left me behind, but they did not. I don't know what the rules are for a passenger who has checked in and they are late.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-11-21 15:38:02 and read 4048 times.

I was booking a trip today and noticed LH had several 35 minute connections from GVA via MUC. During the winter I try to avoid such short connections as there are too many uncertainties with weather etc. I especially avoid such a short connection when it's to the last flight of the day, although in that case if the carrier has connections from inbound flights that aren't delayed too much they often delay that last flight to avoid the expense of putting the misconnects up in a hotel for the night. I've sometimes connected to the last LX ZRH-GVA flight of the day that leaves at 2235 and it's not unusual for it to be delayed 15 or 20 minutes due to late inbound connections.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 29):
Quoting fn1001 (Reply 25):
No!

I often fly from outside Schengen into Germany and Austria and always clear customs and immigration at the first entry point. The domestic (or intra-Schenghen) connection comes after immigration.

How can you clear customs if you check your bag thru to the final destination? That doesn't make any sense.
To the best of my knowledge, in Europe immigration is done at the first point of entry, and customs is done at your final destination, after you collect your bags. At least that's been the case for me every time.

Correct. As already mentioned, immigration (passport control) is at the first point of arrival in the Schengen area. Customs is at the final destination, and that's rarely more than a random spot check. Few people are stopped if they're in the "green" channel.

Topic: RE: Why Do Airlines Offer Flights With 35 Min X-fers?
Username: AA94
Posted 2012-11-21 19:45:45 and read 2988 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 29):
To the best of my knowledge, in Europe immigration is done at the first point of entry, and customs is done at your final destination, after you collect your bags. At least that's been the case for me every time.

Correct.

Even with a non-EU passport, clearing immigration and passport control has taken me (at most) 10 minutes, but I select my flights strategically.


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