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Topic: PK Plans To Restart ORD For S13
Username: jcwr56
Posted 2012-11-22 05:07:40 and read 4876 times.

So it appears PK plans to resume ORD service for the S13 season.

Part of a message I received a couple of days ago asking for approval of times.

S13
20NOV
ORD
NPK793 04APR24OCT 0004000 329772 KHIBCN0045 J
N PK794 04APR24OCT 0004000 329772 0345BCNKHI J
NPK795 31MAR20OCT 0000007 329772 KHIBCN0045 J
N PK796 31MAR20OCT 0000007 329772 0345BCNKHI J
SI ALL TIMES UTC

So lets discuss, will they be able to compete in an already tight market?

Topic: RE: PK Plans To Restart ORD For S13
Username: AmricanShamrok
Posted 2012-11-22 05:16:46 and read 4864 times.

So the flights arrive at 00:45 and depart again at 03:45 - am I reading that correctly? Did they always arrive and depart through the night?

Topic: RE: PK Plans To Restart ORD For S13
Username: 777way
Posted 2012-11-22 05:34:47 and read 4810 times.

No, I have seen daytime pics of their a/c in ORD or flying out, both A310 in 90s and 777 few years back and and last year or so.

Topic: RE: PK Plans To Restart ORD For S13
Username: jcwr56
Posted 2012-11-22 05:40:52 and read 4788 times.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 1):
So the flights arrive at 00:45 and depart again at 03:45 - am I reading that correctly?

No, times listed are in UTC, local they would be 1945-2245.

Topic: RE: PK Plans To Restart ORD For S13
Username: thekennady
Posted 2012-11-22 06:10:45 and read 4696 times.

Good news, will be glad to see PK back at ORD. But with QR comming and EY already offering connections to that region, i wonder if it will last. BCN with 5th freedom is also nice to have. Anyone hear anything about EK to ORD? it has to happen sooner or later, ORD cannot remain missing in thier network too much longer.

Topic: RE: PK Plans To Restart ORD For S13
Username: jcwr56
Posted 2012-11-22 06:22:44 and read 4661 times.

Regarding EK, I had a nice conversation with them last week, and they believe it will be sometime in 2013. A few variables still in play before they formally announce.

Topic: RE: PK Plans To Restart ORD For S13
Username: EBGflyer
Posted 2012-11-22 07:00:00 and read 4571 times.

Nice with another option of flying cheap to Europe. One a few carriers offer decent one-way fares and PK is one of them.

Topic: RE: PK Plans To Restart ORD For S13
Username: by738
Posted 2012-11-22 11:04:50 and read 4272 times.

GLA restart was being rumoured also, could be a nice double drop !

Topic: RE: PK Plans To Restart ORD For S13
Username: boeing773ER
Posted 2012-11-22 12:01:09 and read 4133 times.

Does anyone have any idea which type of plane they would use for this flight?

I feel like the 773ER would be their best bet, but I believe they just started taking delivery of them.

Topic: RE: PK Plans To Restart ORD For S13
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2012-11-22 12:11:12 and read 4110 times.

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 6):
Nice with another option of flying cheap to Europe. One a few carriers offer decent one-way fares and PK is one of them.

Exactly, which is why PK is a loss-making carrier that has to constantly re-treat from long-haul markets like ORD time after time again.

PK should focus on being profitable. They won't stand a chance with QR (and eventually EK) coming into Chicago in the near future.

Topic: RE: PK Plans To Restart ORD For S13
Username: ORDFan
Posted 2012-11-22 12:16:36 and read 4094 times.

Quoting thekennady (Reply 4):
Good news, will be glad to see PK back at ORD. But with QR comming and EY already offering connections to that region, i wonder if it will last. BCN with 5th freedom is also nice to have. Anyone hear anything about EK to ORD? it has to happen sooner or later, ORD cannot remain missing in thier network too much longer.

While I would certainly welcome this - indeed would be very excited - do you all feel that ORD can support (economically-speaking) QR, EY, and EK?

Topic: RE: PK Plans To Restart ORD For S13
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-11-22 12:26:11 and read 4068 times.

Quoting boeing773ER (Reply 8):
Does anyone have any idea which type of plane they would use for this flight?

The posted schedule advisory says 329 seat 772.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 9):
PK should focus on being profitable.

   PK has many many problems.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 9):
They won't stand a chance with QR (and eventually EK) coming into Chicago in the near future.

Not just those guys, folks like TK very successfully already carry connections flow to KHI and ISB.

Topic: RE: PK Plans To Restart ORD For S13
Username: 777way
Posted 2012-11-22 12:41:58 and read 4011 times.

Quoting boeing773ER (Reply 8):
I feel like the 773ER would be their best bet, but I believe they just started taking delivery of them

First 773 was delivered in 2006 the last in 2008, the newly ordererd five are due from 2015 onwards.

Quoting by738 (Reply 7):
GLA restart was being rumoured also, could be a nice double drop !

hopefully not as PIA former Chairman said the airline cannot provide 'door to door' service, when the issue was raised in parliment or senate as to why they were dropping Glasgow.

Topic: RE: PK Plans To Restart ORD For S13
Username: bnaowb
Posted 2012-11-22 18:32:18 and read 2948 times.

This appears to be the last schedule that PK had before discontinuing ORD:

PK795 ISB0130 – 0325KHI0550 – 1020BCN1220 – 1500ORD 772 6
PK793 KHI0215 – 0400LHE0550 – 1020BCN1220 – 1500ORD 772 3

PK794 ORD1845 – 1025+1BCN1230+1 – 0015+2ISB0200+2 – 0355+2KHI 772 3
PK796 ORD1845 – 1025+1BCN1230+1 – 0015+2LHE0200+2 – 0345+2KHI 772 6

So, assuming that the new routing is KHI-BCN-ORD-BCN-KHI, the eastbound stops in ISB or LHE are gone. And, the once weekly westbound stop in LHE is also gone.

Topic: RE: PK Plans To Restart ORD For S13
Username: thekennady
Posted 2012-11-22 19:10:47 and read 2824 times.

Quoting ORDFan (Reply 10):
While I would certainly welcome this - indeed would be very excited - do you all feel that ORD can support (economically-speaking) QR, EY, and EK?


IAD and JFK will be the only other airports in the us that have all 3. If EK worked with UA for feed they should be able to make it work. EK seems to thrive in markets where direct competition is absent, they will have plenty of competition at ORD. Its going to get crouded soon. With PK, RJ,TK,EY,QR,EK and even AI all competing to the middle east/india/pakistan region it will be interesting too see how it plays out. I think RJ will be fine because Chicago has a solid Jordanian population and Palestinian population, and with feed from AA, theres the reason ORD is the only market in the us that get daily service. AI does not seem to care about being profitable, so no one can compete with them on ORD-DEL. TK and the three Gulf carriers may lead to some canabalism, but who knows, southwest/south asia is a growing market, ORD may keep them all, but if anyone is the oddball its PK

Topic: RE: PK Plans To Restart ORD For S13
Username: 777way
Posted 2012-11-22 19:11:28 and read 2824 times.

Most of PK's traffic comes from ISB and LHE so this is odd.

Topic: RE: PK Plans To Restart ORD For S13
Username: 777way
Posted 2012-11-22 19:14:30 and read 2798 times.

Double post, please remove it.

[Edited 2012-11-22 19:31:47]


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