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Topic: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-11-20 08:55:06 and read 6495 times.

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WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".


It's interesting that when Eagle was short of A/C, it was LAX they cut and now that they seem to have solved the problem, it is LAX they are adding back...hmm...
AA LAX-ELP APR 1.0>1.9 MAY 1.0>1.9 JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.9
AA LAX-SJC APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6

AB JFK-DUS MAY 1.0>1.3 JUN 1.0>1.4 JUL 1.0>1.4
AB LAX-DUS JUN 0.4>0.6 JUL 0.4>0.5
AB MIA-DUS MAY 0.7>0.9 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0
AB MIA-TXL MAY 0.4>0.7 JUN 0.4>0.7 JUL 0.4>0.7

AM LAS-MEX JAN 3>1.9
AM LAS-MTY DEC 0.3>0.5
AM LAX-BJX JAN 0.5>0.2 FEB 0.6>0.5
AM LAX-LTO JAN 0>0.2
AM LRD-MTY DEC 0>0.6
AM ONT-GDL JAN 1.0>0.6
AM ORD-GDL JAN 0.5>0.2
AM SAT-MTY JAN 0.6>1.0
AM SMF-GDL JAN 0.5>0.7

*AS BOS-SAN APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*AS LIH-SAN JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0
AS PDX-BOI MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
AS PDX-GEG MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7
*AS SAN-LIH JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0
AS SEA-OAK JUL 5>4

AZ BOS-FCO APR 0.7>0.8 JUN 0.9>1.0 JUL 0.8>1.0
AZ JFK-MXP APR 0.7>0.8 MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0
AZ LAX-FCO MAY 0.6>0.4
AZ MIA-FCO MAY 0.8>1.0
AZ MIA-MXP APR 0.4>0.1 MAY 0.5>0 JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0

I'm not sure I know why they ever flew this. It's like DL's ill-fated LAX-SNA.
*B6 BUR-LAS JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
*B6 JFK-ABQ MAY 0>1.0
Looks like BUR may disappear completely.
*B6 JFK-BUR JAN 1.9>1.2 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0
Wow...
*B6 JFK-PIT MAR 2>0 APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 1.3>0

BA EWR-ORY MAR 1.7>1.1
BA JFK-ORY MAR 0.0>0.9

DL ATL-ABQ MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
DL ATL-AVL MAR 7>8
DL ATL-BHM JAN 10>9 FEB 10>9 APR 11>10 MAY 11>10
DL ATL-BNA MAR 11>10 APR 11>10 MAY 11>10
DL ATL-CHS MAR 10>11
*DL ATL-COU JAN 3>1.8 FEB 3>0.5 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0
DL ATL-JAN APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
DL ATL-MGM MAY 10>9
DL ATL-PNS MAR 8>7
DL ATL-ROA MAR 5>4
DL ATL-ROC MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
DL ATL-RSW MAR 10>9
DL ATL-SAV MAR 9>10
DL ATL-SRQ MAR 7>6
DL ATL-ZRH JAN 0.7>0.6
Not a lot of love in MCI lately.
*DL BOS-MCI JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
DL DTW-ABE MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
DL DTW-AZO MAY 6>5
DL DTW-CVG MAR 5>6 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6
DL DTW-ERI MAR 4>3 MAY 4>3
*DL DTW-FSD MAR 1.0>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.9>0.7
DL DTW-GRB MAR 5>6 APR 5>6
DL DTW-ITH MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.9 MAY 3>1.8
*DL DTW-LSE MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0.7
DL DTW-MKE MAR 7>6
DL DTW-MQT MAR 1.8>3 APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.9>3 JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.8>3
DL DTW-NGO APR 0.7>0.8 MAY 0.9>1.0
DL DTW-OKC MAY 1.7>3
DL DTW-OMA MAR 3>4
DL DTW-PDX APR 0.8>0.5 MAY 0.9>0.6
DL DTW-SFO MAR 4>3
Wonder if we'll see DL cutting more FNT with WN now flying BWI.
*DL FNT-MSP MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.9 MAY 3>1.8
DL JFK-CLE MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-CLT MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-CMH MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-IAD MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
DL JFK-MSP MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
DL JFK-YUL MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
DL LAX-JFK MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8
DL LGA-MCO MAR 7>6
DL LGA-MHT MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
DL LGA-MSY MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
DL LGA-PBI MAR 5>4
DL LGA-TPA MAR 5>4
DL LGA-YHZ MAR 1.0>2.0 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.3>2
*DL MEM-BOS MAR 1.6>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-SGF MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0
DL MOT-MSP MAR 7>6
DL MSO-MSP MAR 2.0>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
DL MSP-PHL MAR 5>4
DL MSP-RAP MAY 4>5
DL MSP-SEA MAY 5>6
*DL MSP-TUS JUN 1.0>0.3 JUL 1.0>0
DL SLC-DEN MAR 8>7
DL SLC-DFW MAR 5>4

F9 Year-over-Year compare for APR-JUN at the bottom with new schedule extension.
Quite a few MCO cuts...
F9 ABE-MCO APR 0.7>0.2
F9 MCO-MSN APR 0.1>0.0
F9 MCO-OMA APR 0.4>0.2
F9 MCO-SHD APR 0.4>0.1
They are cutting back TTN??? They just announced more flights.
*F9 MCO-TTN FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.2 APR 0.3>0.1
F9 MKE-MCO APR 0.4>0.1

FJ LAX-HNL DEC 0.1>0

FL TPA-SJU APR 1.0>0.4 MAY 1.0>0

G4 HNL-SMX MAR 0.2>0.1
G4 SMX-HNL FEB 0.1>0

JL SAN-NRT MAR 0.6>1.0 APR 0.6>1.0 MAY 0.6>1.0 JUN 0.6>1.0 JUL 0.6>1.0

LI SJU-ANU JUL 0.1>1.0
LI STT-AXA JUL 0.1>1.0
LI STT-SXM JUL 0.1>1.0
LI STX-SXM JUL 0.1>1.0

OS ORD-VIE MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7

OZ SPN-NRT DEC 0>0.3

UA EWR-FLL MAY 7>6
UA EWR-MCI MAY 5>4
UA EWR-MCO MAY 9>8
UA EWR-MHT MAY 4>3
UA EWR-MSP MAY 6>5
UA EWR-NAS MAY 2>1.5
UA EWR-PBI MAY 7>5
UA EWR-PHX MAY 4>3
Gulfstream SF3s
*UA FLL-MCO JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3 APR 0>3 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3
UA IAH-YEG MAR 2>3
UA IAH-YVR MAR 1.0>1.3
UA ORD-CLT APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
UA ORD-ICT APR 5>4
UA ORD-IND APR 10>11 MAY 10>11 JUN 10>11 JUL 10>11
UA ORD-LIR MAR 0.6>0.5
UA ORD-OKC APR 5>4
UA ORD-SBN APR 6>5
UA ORD-STL APR 10>9
UA ORD-YYC MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
UA PBI-TPA JAN 0>1.4 FEB 0>1.7 MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7

US DCA-DTW FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4 APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
US DCA-MYR FEB 0.3>1.2 MAR 0.3>1.2 APR 0.3>1.1 MAY 0.3>1.1 JUN 0.3>1.2 JUL 0.3>1.1
US PHL-PUJ FEB 1.4>1.8 MAR 1.5>1.7

WG MCO-YYZ DEC 0.7>0.5

Y4 LAS-MEX DEC 1.8>3 FEB 1.0>1.2 MAR 1.0>1.2 APR 1.0>1.1 MAY 1.0>1.1 JUN 1.0>1.2 JUL 1.0>1.1
Y4 LAX-GDL FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
Y4 LAX-ZCL FEB 0.6>0.4 MAR 0.6>0.5 APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.5>0.4 JUN 0.6>0.4 JUL 0.6>0.4
Y4 MDW-MEX FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0.6 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.5
Y4 MDW-MLM FEB 0.7>0.6 MAR 0.7>0.6 APR 0.7>0.6 MAY 0.7>0.6 JUN 0.7>0.6 JUL 0.7>0.5
Y4 OAK-GDL FEB 2>1.3 MAR 2>1.3 APR 2>1.3 MAY 2>1.3 JUN 2>1.3 JUL 2>1.3
Y4 SMF-GDL DEC 0.3>0.6

Year over year compare for F9. By my count, DEN has lost about 32 RTs for next Summer.  
F9 CLE-PUJ APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>0.3
F9 COS-PHX APR 0>0.7
F9 CVG-CUN APR 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.1
F9 CVG-PUJ APR 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.1
F9 DCA-OMA APR 1.8>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0 JUN 1.8>1.0
F9 DEN-ATL APR 3>0.9 MAY 3>0.9 JUN 3>0.8
F9 DEN-AZA APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
F9 DEN-BIL APR 1.5>0 MAY 1.8>0 JUN 2>0
F9 DEN-BIS APR 0>0.7
F9 DEN-BLI JUN 1.0>0.6
F9 DEN-BNA MAY 3>1.9 JUN 3>1.8
F9 DEN-BZN APR 1.4>1.0 MAY 1.7>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
F9 DEN-CAK APR 1.9>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0
F9 DEN-COS APR 5>3 MAY 5>3 JUN 5>3
F9 DEN-CUN APR 1.2>1.1
F9 DEN-CZM MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2
F9 DEN-DAY APR 1.9>0.9 MAY 1.9>0.9 JUN 2>0.8
F9 DEN-DFW MAY 6>5 JUN 7>6
F9 DEN-DRO APR 1.5>0.9 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
F9 DEN-DSM APR 1.8>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
F9 DEN-DTW APR 2>1.2 JUN 3>2
F9 DEN-FLL APR 1.9>1.0 JUN 1.4>1.0
F9 DEN-GEG APR 1.8>1.0 MAY 3>1.0 JUN 3>1.0
F9 DEN-IAH APR 0>1.6 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7
F9 DEN-ICT APR 1.9>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0
F9 DEN-LAS APR 6>5 MAY 7>5 JUN 7>5
F9 DEN-LGA APR 4>1.9 MAY 4>2 JUN 4>2
F9 DEN-MDW APR 4>3
F9 DEN-MSP JUN 5>4
F9 DEN-OMA APR 4>2 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3
F9 DEN-PDX APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 6>4
F9 DEN-PHF MAY 0.6>0.4 JUN 1.0>0.4
F9 DEN-PHL APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
F9 DEN-PUJ JUN 0>0.1
F9 DEN-PVR APR 1.0>0.8
F9 DEN-PVU APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
F9 DEN-RFD APR 0.4>0.2 MAY 0.5>0.3
F9 DEN-SBA MAY 1.3>0.9 JUN 1.6>0.8
F9 DEN-SDF APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
F9 DEN-SEA APR 5>4 MAY 6>4 JUN 6>4
F9 DEN-SFO APR 5>4 MAY 5>4
F9 DEN-SJD APR 1.0>0.8
F9 DEN-SJO APR 0.8>0.6
F9 DEN-SMF APR 1.7>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0
F9 MCI-DCA APR 3>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
F9 MCI-DEN APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4
F9 MCO-MDT APR 0>0.7
F9 MCO-MSN APR 0.1>0.0
F9

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-11-20 08:55:48 and read 6526 times.

F9 MCO-OMA APR 0.4>0.2
F9 MKE-DEN APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3
F9 MKE-MCO APR 1.1>0.1 MAY 1.1>0
F9 MKE-RHI APR 1.9>0 MAY 1.9>0 JUN 1.8>0
F9 ORD-MBJ APR 0>0.1 MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2
F9 ORD-PUJ APR 0>0.6 MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>0.4
F9 PHL-PUJ APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3
F9 PIT-CUN MAY 0>0.2
F9 PIT-PUJ MAY 0>0.1
F9 RFD-CUN MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2
F9 RFD-PUJ APR 0>0.1
F9 STL-CUN APR 0.6>0.8 MAY 0.7>0.9
F9 STL-MBJ APR 0>0.1 MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>0.3
F9 STL-PUJ APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: iowaman
Posted 2012-11-20 09:04:43 and read 6507 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 JFK-BUR JAN 1.9>1.2 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0
Wow...

As others have said it's quite amazing how much B6 has cut back in the trans-con market.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL BOS-MCI JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

Reaction to WN starting BOS-MCI? Probably not a route DL thinks is worth fighting for.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-FSD MAR 1.0>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.9>0.7
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL FNT-MSP MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.9 MAY 3>1.8
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-LSE MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0.7

Easier to route people through their closest hubs, I suppose (LSE & FSD through MSP, FNT through DTW).

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-11-20 09:14:45 and read 6505 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-FSD MAR 1.0>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.9>0.7

*DL DTW-LSE MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0.7

Both DTW-FSD & LSE are routes that were seasonally suspended this winter since they are primarily connected to the network via MSP. DTW-FSD was a fairly recent add within the past few years, but it directly overflies MSP. In addition, since its a longer route, its been flown with a CR7 lately. Both routes are scheduled to return in June.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Wonder if we'll see DL cutting more FNT with WN now flying BWI.
*DL FNT-MSP MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.9 MAY 3>1.8

The change in frequency on FNT-MSP has nothing to do really with WN. MSP-FNT was mainline with NW, but got cut way back post-merger to 1x per day on a CRJ. Last year they added back the 2nd daily weekday flight. I do not believe that DL has operated MSP-FNT 3x per day at any pont post-merger, so this is more or less a continuation of the current schedule.

However, ATL-FNT is directly impacted. Currently flown at 3x MD-88, DL is cutting back to 1x MD-88 & 2x CR9 in March. No surprise they are reducing capacity (even during peak spring break period) with WN/FL exiting the route. DL added a significant amount of capacity to FNT-ATL, which used to be a CR7 route pre-merger, then got bumped up to DC-9s, and now MD-88s.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2012-11-20 09:33:20 and read 6511 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-CLE MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-CLT MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-CMH MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-IAD MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
DL JFK-MSP MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
DL JFK-YUL MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2

Surprised this isn't getting more press.

Looks like Delta is once again pulling down JFK.

This time it lasted longer than in any of the past "hub declarations" in the late 90s and early 2000s. Sad

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-11-20 09:47:05 and read 6511 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 JFK-PIT MAR 2>0 APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 1.3>0

Well.......there goes my hopes of B6 coming into CVG   

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
JL SAN-NRT MAR 0.6>1.0 APR 0.6>1.0 MAY 0.6>1.0 JUN 0.6>1.0 JUL 0.6>1.0

787 flight?   

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: WA707atMSP
Posted 2012-11-20 10:03:43 and read 6507 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-CLE MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-CLT MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-CMH MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-IAD MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
DL JFK-MSP MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
DL JFK-YUL MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2

Surprised this isn't getting more press.

Looks like Delta is once again pulling down JFK.

This time it lasted longer than in any of the past "hub declarations" in the late 90s and early 2000s. Sad

I don't think this is a pulldown!

I think DL is just delaying their spring / summer JFK buildup one month, which isn't surprising given the grim economic situation in Europe, and the deteriorating economy in the US.

If DL had discontinued these routes completely in the summer peak months, then it might be the start of a pulldown.

[Edited 2012-11-20 10:04:27]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: kcrwflyer
Posted 2012-11-20 10:14:40 and read 6504 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 Year-over-Year compare for APR-JUN at the bottom with new schedule extension.
Quite a few MCO cuts...
F9 ABE-MCO APR 0.7>0.2
F9 MCO-MSN APR 0.1>0.0
F9 MCO-OMA APR 0.4>0.2
F9 MCO-SHD APR 0.4>0.1
They are cutting back TTN??? They just announced more flights.
*F9 MCO-TTN FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.2 APR 0.3>0.1
F9 MKE-MCO APR 0.4>0.1

Looking at the schedule, SHD is gone with a message saying service ends in April. TTN still showing the increase to 4x daily. MDT is still around, ABE is gone obviously. MSN shows varying amounts of service Nov-July ( going to 1x weekly after april.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-11-20 10:27:27 and read 6505 times.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 2):
As others have said it's quite amazing how much B6 has cut back in the trans-con market.

They seem hot on Florida at this point. Odd...

Quoting iowaman (Reply 2):
Reaction to WN starting BOS-MCI? Probably not a route DL thinks is worth fighting for.

I'm glad that is their new attitude. Remember, they added that route to retaliate against F9 for MCI-MSP.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 3):
However, ATL-FNT is directly impacted. Currently flown at 3x MD-88, DL is cutting back to 1x MD-88 & 2x CR9 in March. No surprise they are reducing capacity (even during peak spring break period) with WN/FL exiting the route. DL added a significant amount of capacity to FNT-ATL, which used to be a CR7 route pre-merger, then got bumped up to DC-9s, and now MD-88s.

It's easier to explain why they had to add seats in the face of new competition than cut seats when competitors also cut seats.   But, we all know what they are doing.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
Surprised this isn't getting more press.

Looks like Delta is once again pulling down JFK
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 7):
I think DL is just delaying their spring / summer JFK buildup one month, which isn't surprising given the grim economic situation in Europe, and the deteriorating economy in the US.

Well, I think it is fair to say that "peak" gets smaller and smaller it seems. At some point the Winter schedule becomes the "regular schedule".

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 DEN-ATL APR 3>0.9 MAY 3>0.9 JUN 3>0.8

For God sake die already.

The whole airline's schedule looks like swiss cheese.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 JFK-PIT MAR 2>0 APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 1.3>0

Well.......there goes my hopes of B6 coming into CVG

I'd say that dooms the whole Midwest. It's just hard to make it work flying to the Ocean and then connecting to basically nothing.  
Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 8):
TTN still showing the increase to 4x daily.

You are saying the cut to TTN-MCO they filed is incorrect? It you are saying that all the stuff they announced adds up to 4x daily? I don't think it does. Maybe 2 daily flights. Most of that stuff is just a couple per week I thought.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-11-20 10:28:29 and read 6505 times.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 7):
I don't think this is a pulldown!

I think DL is just delaying their spring / summer JFK buildup one month, which isn't surprising given the grim economic situation in Europe, and the deteriorating economy in the US.

If DL had discontinued these routes completely in the summer peak months, then it might be the start of a pulldown.

Exactly!

All the JFK changes are for March or the spring months and are really an extension of the frequency that is flown over the winter months. In most cases, each route also have service to LGA, while we are still within the first year of the new LGA hub.

Note that the majority of DL's changes loaded this month are tweaking the March/April/May schedule and in many cases either at the same frequency that was flown last year, or an extension of the winter seasonal reductions later into the spring.

The OAG threads are informative, but in many cases it gets people running around like Chicken Little.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: flyguy89
Posted 2012-11-20 10:55:09 and read 6504 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 JFK-PIT MAR 2>0 APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 1.3>0

Well.......there goes my hopes of B6 coming into CVG

I'd say that dooms the whole Midwest. It's just hard to make it work flying to the Ocean and then connecting to basically nothing.

If this is the case, where exactly are B6's future growth opportunities? I can see the Caribbean, but that pretty much seems to be it. They seem to have stagnated on transcons, the West Coast and JFK, it's pretty sad, if you ask me, if they're apparently incapable of expanding anywhere in the US outside the East Coast.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: kcrwflyer
Posted 2012-11-20 11:24:49 and read 6508 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):
You are saying the cut to TTN-MCO they filed is incorrect? It you are saying that all the stuff they announced adds up to 4x daily? I don't think it does. Maybe 2 daily flights. Most of that stuff is just a couple per week I thought.

I was just talking about MCO-TTN. Which is showing 4x. All of their other flying is still showing.. which adds up to about 2x per day.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: WHatUsaid
Posted 2012-11-20 11:33:10 and read 6505 times.

G4 looks to be pulling HNL-SMX. Not bookable for the spring. Wonder what the story is? Returning in the summer?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: MasseyBrown
Posted 2012-11-20 11:36:59 and read 6504 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
Surprised this isn't getting more press.

Looks like Delta is once again pulling down JFK.

This might also mark the phase-out of more 50-seaters. DL could probably substitute a 70 for the two 50's at that time of year and maybe make it a single 717 in the summer..

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-11-20 11:41:43 and read 6502 times.

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 14):
This might also mark the phase-out of more 50-seaters. DL could probably substitute a 70 for the two 50's at that time of year and maybe make it a single 717 in the summer..

Its not that. It is simply offering the sam reduced capacity as they are offering on those flights in Feb, extending out into March and April

The 50 seaters do not start leaving the fleet untl later in 2013. Additionally, the 717s will initially be at ATL, and later in DTW. No not expect 717s to be in NYC initally.

Also this is the first winter with the new LGA hub. Naturally there are going to be some adjustments as most of these markets now have significantly more capacity into NYC than they previously did before the LGA expansion.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-11-20 11:46:47 and read 6501 times.

Quoting WHatUsaid (Reply 13):
G4 looks to be pulling HNL-SMX. Not bookable for the spring. Wonder what the story is? Returning in the summer?

Didn't they pull MRY-HNL also?

How is G4's BLI-HNL/OGG competing with AS's established service?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2012-11-20 11:51:20 and read 6501 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-IND APR 10>11 MAY 10>11 JUN 10>11 JUL 10>11

Reaction to WN leaving MDW-IND?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-COU JAN 3>1.8 FEB 3>0.5 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0

As stated before, this is because DL spurned COU's incentive package after Eagle entered the market with similar incentives.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2012-11-20 11:54:12 and read 6501 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4 HNL-SMX MAR 0.2>0.1
G4 SMX-HNL FEB 0.1>0
Quoting WHatUsaid (Reply 13):
G4 looks to be pulling HNL-SMX. Not bookable for the spring. Wonder what the story is? Returning in the summer?

No its a temporary seasonal reduction.

Allegiant said recently they are seeing what their President Andrew Levy called on the last presentation webcast "superseasonality" booking swings on HNL routes (low periods are very low bookings, high periods are very high). They told institutional investors there will be more schedule variability on Hawaii routes than used elsewhere in the system in order to match capacity to demand.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: AWACSooner
Posted 2012-11-20 12:02:46 and read 6504 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-OKC MAY 1.7>3

Sweet!!!  
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-OKC APR 5>4

Boooooo!  

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: steeler83
Posted 2012-11-20 12:58:00 and read 6505 times.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 11):
If this is the case, where exactly are B6's future growth opportunities? I can see the Caribbean, but that pretty much seems to be it. They seem to have stagnated on transcons, the West Coast and JFK, it's pretty sad, if you ask me, if they're apparently incapable of expanding anywhere in the US outside the East Coast.

I don't think how PIT does/did for B6 on the JFK flights should be any indicator for the midwest as a whole. B6 has struggled on PIT-JFK since it began back in 2006. How close is BOS-PIT being axed? I'm thinking it's inevitable, but I guess that's just me. Perhaps DL could come back on that route and try something other than the 3 daily CRJs which were doomed from the start...

Aren't they in ORD? How is that going for B6?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: FlyHossD
Posted 2012-11-20 14:20:06 and read 6501 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 DEN-IAH APR 0>1.6 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7

This is a surprise to me, but a good one. It will increase my and my family's use of Frontier.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-11-20 14:22:08 and read 6498 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
The OAG threads are informative, but in many cases it gets people running around like Chicken Little.

I hear what you are saying, but to the extent that the airlines are selling future non-stops that they have no intention to fly I'd say that is borderline illegal bait and switch. I think the law would say that if they are selling these flights, they intend to fly them. If they are selling them and cutting them every year then some lawyer should file a class action and make a boatload.

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 12):
Quoting enilria (Reply 9):
You are saying the cut to TTN-MCO they filed is incorrect? It you are saying that all the stuff they announced adds up to 4x daily? I don't think it does. Maybe 2 daily flights. Most of that stuff is just a couple per week I thought.

I was just talking about MCO-TTN. Which is showing 4x. All of their other flying is still showing.. which adds up to about 2x per day.

So, when you say 4x daily, you mean that it operates 4x each week?

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 17):
Reaction to WN leaving MDW-IND?

I suspect they'd have cut in reaction to that.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 20):

I don't think how PIT does/did for B6 on the JFK flights should be any indicator for the midwest as a whole. B6 has struggled on PIT-JFK since it began back in 2006.

CMH...BNA...ORD is not doing well.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 20):
How close is BOS-PIT being axed? I'm thinking it's inevitable, but I guess that's just me. Perhaps DL could come back on that route and try something other than the 3 daily CRJs which were doomed from the start...

I think it was a lot closer before DL dropped it.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 20):
Aren't they in ORD? How is that going for B6?

Not well. They have cut JFK to such a low frequency that it's a joke. I think they also dropped LGB from ORD.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2012-11-20 14:41:38 and read 6502 times.

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-OKC MAY 1.7>3

Sweet!!!
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-OKC APR 5>4

Boooooo!

Actually its good. The more traffic that is funneled through DTW and the less that is funneled through ORD, the better

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: kcrwflyer
Posted 2012-11-20 15:23:47 and read 6497 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
So, when you say 4x daily, you mean that it operates 4x each week?

Yes, 4x weekly. I didn't consider this thread discusses other airlines which actually have some daily ops ( frontier joke ).

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: cschleic
Posted 2012-11-20 15:29:20 and read 6498 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 16):
Didn't they pull MRY-HNL also?

Yes, it was cancelled a while back, before ever starting (was supposed to start last Friday the 16th).

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-11-20 16:46:56 and read 6265 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-ELP APR 1.0>1.9 MAY 1.0>1.9 JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.9

With UA now gone, and with WN down to 3 nonstops a day, this route should be able to support mainline service from AA.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-11-20 17:13:30 and read 6096 times.

A few mentions of SAN on this week's report -- and they are all GOOD!  

I'm thinking that 2013 might just be a pretty nice year for Lindbergh Field -- new terminal expansion opens, there will be (undoubtedly) a few relocations of carriers between terminals, and already we see new routes and increased international flying!

bb

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: EWRkid1990
Posted 2012-11-20 17:45:20 and read 6020 times.

Any explanation for B6 pulling JFK-PIT?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: flyb
Posted 2012-11-20 17:54:42 and read 5967 times.

UA's IAH-YEG is just Sundays.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: cotparampguy
Posted 2012-11-20 19:12:16 and read 5616 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA FLL-MCO JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3 APR 0>3 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3


Awesome. After I saw WN was axing that route along with TPA I thought I was going to have to drive everytime I went to Orlando.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2012-11-20 20:14:59 and read 5342 times.

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 29):
Awesome. After I saw WN was axing that route along with TPA I thought I was going to have to drive everytime I went to Orlando.

when does WN drop FLL-TPA?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: cotparampguy
Posted 2012-11-20 21:00:20 and read 5182 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 30):

I should have said reduced TPA, I read somewhere they were reducing that route along with completely stopping MCO.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: phatfarmlines
Posted 2012-11-20 21:12:02 and read 5173 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 30):
when does WN drop FLL-TPA?

Sometime next year:

Southwest to cancel Lauderdale-Orlando route in January
Source: Orlando Sentinel

Interesting to see 3M re-enter the market....makes you wonder if B6 will start intra-Florida....

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: BatonOps
Posted 2012-11-21 08:54:02 and read 4031 times.

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 7):
Looking at the schedule, SHD is gone with a message saying service ends in April. TTN still showing the increase to 4x daily. MDT is still around, ABE is gone obviously. MSN shows varying amounts of service Nov-July ( going to 1x weekly after april.

F9 DEN-MDT returns in May 2013.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-11-21 09:30:28 and read 3949 times.

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 32):
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 30):
when does WN drop FLL-TPA?

Sometime next year:

WN isn't dropping FLL-TPA.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-11-21 13:56:35 and read 3690 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-YEG MAR 2>3

This route (like YYC) is doing well. Much of the traffic is transferring to Central and N. South America....LIM, PTY, SJO, LIR, RTB and BZE are the big sellers....I can't remember the last time I wasn't on a UA flight BZE-IAH that didn't have 20-30 people connecting to YYC.

One day WS is going to sit up and take notice.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-11-21 14:32:00 and read 3626 times.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 10):
If this is the case, where exactly are B6's future growth opportunities? I can see the Caribbean, but that pretty much seems to be it.

Pretty clearly they seem to be adding NE-Florida capacity. With the continued demise of the AirTran network, it's probably not a terrible move.

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 23):
I didn't consider this thread discusses other airlines which actually have some daily ops ( frontier joke ).

I get that joke.  
Quoting SANFan (Reply 26):

A few mentions of SAN on this week's report -- and they are all GOOD!

Congrats!

Quoting EWRkid1990 (Reply 27):
Any explanation for B6 pulling JFK-PIT?

IMHO, the route is short. JFK seems to only work to leisure markets when there is LGA service.

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 32):
makes you wonder if B6 will start intra-Florida....

Don't hold your breath...

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 34):
WN isn't dropping FLL-TPA.

Not yet...

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: PIEAvantiP180
Posted 2012-11-21 14:57:29 and read 3584 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 34):

No they are not, at least for now. They are dropping PBI-TPA and FLL-TPA is going from 7 daily to 5.

Quoting EWRkid1990 (Reply 27):

US and DL flying LGA-PIT about half a dozen times each every day will probably do it plus you still have DL flying out of JFK also. NYC-PIT saw an increase of available seats once DL's LGA expansion went into effect.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: steeler83
Posted 2012-11-21 15:28:14 and read 3526 times.

Quoting EWRkid1990 (Reply 27):
Any explanation for B6 pulling JFK-PIT?

What's there to explain? It stunk into the stratosphere since they started it.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: flyguy89
Posted 2012-11-21 20:57:29 and read 3247 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 36):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 10):
If this is the case, where exactly are B6's future growth opportunities? I can see the Caribbean, but that pretty much seems to be it.

Pretty clearly they seem to be adding NE-Florida capacity. With the continued demise of the AirTran network, it's probably not a terrible move.

True, but long term, that market can only offer so much growth.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: mtnwest1979
Posted 2012-11-21 21:25:35 and read 3219 times.

Off topic but looking at WN pdf for FLL for week of June 9,2013, they combined Portland,OR and ME all under PWM. Nice editing lol.

Also just saw same for MDW schedule. So I'll assume same for each city.  Yeah sure

[Edited 2012-11-21 21:28:12]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: SurfandSnow
Posted 2012-11-22 01:35:28 and read 3113 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AS BOS-SAN APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

Will be interesting to see if this route can sustain two competing carriers. AA threw in the towel rather quickly after B6 started it, but this may have been a result of their cornerstone strategy whereby routes like BOS-SFO and BOS-SJU were also dropped.

This is great news for SAN. AS couldn't keep expanding simply by adding unserved niche markets (OGG, PVR, MCO, MRY, etc.) forever. Eventually they would have run out of viable opportunities! This goes to show that they are willing to compete from the SAN market to more than just HNL  .

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AS SAN-LIH JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0

I figured we would see this route sooner or later, but not before (or in tandem with) KOA, and not at such a high frequency off the bat. In any case, from what I read in other threads, the service should do very well. It probably won't be long until we see SAN-KOA come online?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AZ JFK-MXP APR 0.7>0.8 MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AZ MIA-MXP APR 0.4>0.1 MAY 0.5>0 JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0

Looks like MIA's loss is JFK's gain. It only makes sense to consolidate two MXP transatlantic routes running at uncompetitive low frequencies into a proper daily service. From partner carrier DL's JFK hub, one can easily connect to MIA - or there is the option to stick with AZ, through FCO.

Now, does this mean we could finally see AA start MIA-MXP?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
I'm not sure I know why they ever flew this. It's like DL's ill-fated LAX-SNA.
*B6 BUR-LAS JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0

LOL, not quite. B6's BUR-LAS service lasted for several years, even in the midst of other B6 BUR cuts, whilst DL's SNA-LAS was a very short-lived, last ditch attempt to squat on a SNA slot.

A little history of B6 at BUR:

B6 used to pride itself on serving Los Angeles through hassle free alternates rather than LAX. They entered the Los Angeles market in 2000 with service to ONT, and in 2001 they opened up the LGB hub. It didn't take long for them to hit the LGB slot cap, and I've always believed that was their primary motivation for adding BUR in 2005. They wanted to keep growing in Los Angeles, but couldn't add any net new flights at LGB, LAX didn't fit their business model at the time, SNA's runway was too short for their A320 to reach the East Coast with acceptable payloads, and ONT too weak a local market to support anything more than twice daily JFK service. So BUR was their only remaining option.

B6 jumped into BUR with 4x daily JFK service right off the bat. In 2006, B6 expanded from BUR with daily services to MCO and LAS - ostensibly to complement LGB. That expansion failed, but B6 kept trying to grow at BUR. In 2007 they added a daily BUR-SLC flight, and then in 2008 they added twice daily BUR-IAD and reinstated the daily BUR-LAS flight. Although LAS apparently didn't work from BUR the first time, it ultimately endured even while the airline dropped SLC and IAD, not to mention the reduction of JFK frequencies.

Some have said that BUR-LAS was merely an aircraft utilization tool to keep aircraft working/making money between transcons. That may well have been the case - B6 only ever offered the lone daily frequency while WN operated about a dozen daily flights on a shuttle schedule - but it must have at least been covering its operating costs even if that were the case. Otherwise they would have cut it long ago. In my own experiences on BUR-LAS and LGB-LAS some people would fly out of one airport and back into the other...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 JFK-ABQ MAY 0>1.0

So far we haven't seen any retaliation to this. I guess nobody else is bothering to come up with a JFK/EWR slot to challenge B6 on a route with no recent history of successful nonstop service. UA is fairly strong out of ABQ, and I figured we might see them add EWR-ABQ, but I guess not. It will be interesting to see if B6 finds a profitable niche in the ABQ market, or if it will end up like TUS and ONT...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Looks like BUR may disappear completely.
*B6 JFK-BUR JAN 1.9>1.2 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0

If BUR lost all B6 service, that would be a catastrophic loss for them. But with the way things are going at the airport, it wouldn't shock me. I mean, WN is even cutting nonstop service to DEN. Since WN reentered the DEN market, I believe BUR is the only WN market to ever get DEN service and then lose it. In a broad sense, even ONT seems to be doing better than BUR these days. ONT still has AA to DFW, and appears to be supporting its rather new WN nonstops to DEN and MDW. They've also been able to maintain mainline services like UA to DEN and IAH and US to PHX that are conspicuously absent from BUR.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Wow...
*B6 JFK-PIT MAR 2>0 APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 1.3>0

Not too surprising. Florida and the Caribbean are the only markets within the LGA perimeter that actually work from JFK. I don't understand why everyone coming in from places like Chicago, St. Louis, Toronto, Nashville, etc. insists on using the abhorrent LGA facilities rather than their superior JFK counterparts, but that's just how it is. Now that I live in Cleveland, I plan to keep my B6 account active by flying them out of PIT. Guess I'll have to catch the JFK flights before they're gone! At least B6 will still serve PIT - from BOS.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Not a lot of love in MCI lately.
*DL BOS-MCI JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

DL offered the only nonstop service on this route after F9 dropped the longstanding service it had inherited from YX. Now that WN is starting MCI-BOS, there is no need for DL to keep flying it.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-FSD MAR 1.0>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.9>0.7
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-LSE MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0.7

I'm not surprised these routes are ending. I'm surprised they ever flew them in the first place!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Wonder if we'll see DL cutting more FNT with WN now flying BWI.
*DL FNT-MSP MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.9 MAY 3>1.8

Well, they don't have to worry about any westbound competition from WN. For now. I wonder if WN is considering a DEN-FNT service. When F9 picked up FNT from YX, I wondered if we might see them consolidate Southeast Michigan by abandoning the competitive DEN-DTW route in favor of DEN-FNT. That never happened, but I'm still curious if DEN-FNT would work.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-BOS MAR 1.6>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-SGF MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0

They really are prolonging the inevitable. By all recent accounts CVG is profitable and sustainable in its current state. The same has not been said for MEM. It will be interesting to see what, if anything, DL does when WN finally transitions the station to their metal. I don't think it is coincidence that WN is delaying their official entry into MEM. DL continues to wind down ops in the market - the longer WN waits, the less backlash they face from DL.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 ABE-MCO APR 0.7>0.2

So the white knight that came in to save the ABE airport from high fares after WN/FL's withdrawal pulls out too. At least there is still G4, but I wonder if this could be an opportunity for B6 to add ABE service?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Year over year compare for F9. By my count, DEN has lost about 32 RTs for next Summer.

I understand cutting service to WN strongholds like SMF and SAT. But when they cut a non-WN market like BIL, I really start to wonder...

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: flyb
Posted 2012-11-22 06:42:01 and read 2997 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 35):

Yes it is doing extremely well, hope to seem them move to 3x daily as the new Sunday flights are great connection slots at both airports.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/23/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: panam330
Posted 2012-11-22 19:21:23 and read 2701 times.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 19):
I don't think how PIT does/did for B6 on the JFK flights should be any indicator for the midwest as a whole. B6 has struggled on PIT-JFK since it began back in 2006. How close is BOS-PIT being axed? I'm thinking it's inevitable, but I guess that's just me. Perhaps DL could come back on that route and try something other than the 3 daily CRJs which were doomed from the start...

I can't figure out why they haven't added at least token PIT-Florida flights to help sustain the station. With only WN to compete with, and PIT being one of the very few northeastern markets without non-stops to Florida on B6, it seems like a shoe-in for service. I guess they feel the plane is more useful elsewhere. I can't help but feel that it could really help PIT survive in the network.


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