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Topic: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: Sandgroper
Posted 2012-11-16 07:13:50 and read 3999 times.

According to a recent survey of 700 Flight Attendants they voted their perfect passenger as Male, single, in his 30's and not on business....mmm, I think there could be romance in the air???

Flight attendants' biggest gripes about passengers:

1. Clicking fingers to get your attention 26%
2. Leaving seat at the end before the light goes off 13%
3. Stuffing too many bags into overhead locker 11%
4. Complaining there's no space for their bag in the locker 10%
5. Talking through the safety demo 9%
6. Asking for more blankets/pillows 8%
7. Stuffing rubbish in the seat pocket 7%
8. Asking for a different meal 6%
9. Ringing the attendant bell to complain about temperature 6%
10. Asking for a specific brand of drink 4%

Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/travel/wha...-20121115-29e1s.html#ixzz2COlPafG5

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: MEA-707
Posted 2012-11-16 07:25:33 and read 4012 times.

Flight attendants shouldn't be so whiny.
Many of their gripes are something which is part of their service, if they don't like these requests I'd suggest applying for another job or do something about it.
Comments
1- well flight attendants are also good at ignoring passengers; they often do their mid flight drink rounds from the back forward and passed your seat already so you can't have any other way then snapping the fingers or ask 'hello?' to catch their attention
3+4- well maybe their airline is asking $30 to check in a bag
7- well they often refuse stuff like newspapers in their collection rounds, no wonder they end up in the seatpockets.
6+9- well I can't understand why for instance they put the temperature on 17C when they fly from one tropical destination to the next. Maybe they wear long sleeve suits and run around sweating and feel fine but most pax would prefer 24C in that case and otherwise ask for blankets.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: OB1783P
Posted 2012-11-16 07:31:00 and read 4016 times.

I am a single male and I never, never, never make a special request from flight attendants. I consider they have a lot to do and I don't want to be a bother. However, I always compliment at the end of the flight if there was anything to compliment about. That was true in my 30's and it will be true until I need a wheelchair. I just flew UA IAD-IAH-MEX-IAD, and those F/As were busy, the planes were full, and some of them were extra gracious to boot. I respect those folks.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: DeltaMD90
Posted 2012-11-16 07:51:37 and read 4006 times.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
Flight attendants shouldn't be so whiny.

It's not like FAs are going public and complaining... they were asked their biggest gripes. If I ask what your biggest gripes at your job are and you tell me, does that mean you're "whining" about your job?

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: RussianJet
Posted 2012-11-16 07:55:49 and read 4004 times.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
Flight attendants shouldn't be so whiny.

It's not like FAs are going public and complaining... they were asked their biggest gripes. If I ask what your biggest gripes at your job are and you tell me, does that mean you're "whining" about your job?

Indeed. What were they supposed to do? Lie about their peeves and say nothing bugs them? Pretty ridiculousto suggest they are whiney.

Also, I don't care who you are and what the service is - clicking your fingers at someone like they were a dog is rude, rude, rude.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: YYZBound
Posted 2012-11-16 08:18:17 and read 4010 times.

Speaking as someone who has been a male flight attendant for 22 years...

I mean, yeah, those things annoy us all....but when I signed up for the job I knew damn well those were the dynamics I'd be dealing with.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2012-11-16 08:37:11 and read 4008 times.

When I was single and in my 30s no one wanted me. So why would they want me at 45.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: akelley728
Posted 2012-11-16 08:39:16 and read 4013 times.

Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
1. Clicking fingers to get your attention 26%

I just had first hand experience of this - last week I was in on Delta in FC on a ORF-ATL. I was in a window seat and the woman sitting in the aisle was talking very loudly to me and her friend in the seat in front of her. A male FA was going past and since it was loud I instinctively snapped my fingers (I didn't do it on purpose). The FA abruptly stopped and told me not to snap my fingers (he wasn't rude about it, but still). I apologized and quietly asked for a refill of my drink. Anyway, lesson learned - I won't be doing that again!  

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: gegarrenton
Posted 2012-11-16 08:44:08 and read 4002 times.

Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
10. Asking for a specific brand of drink 4%

Is this serious? Asking for the brand you want? How else do they know what to bring?

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: nws2002
Posted 2012-11-16 08:48:27 and read 4003 times.

Quoting gegarrenton (Reply 8):
Is this serious? Asking for the brand you want? How else do they know what to bring?

Well we usually only have one type of vodka, one type of whiskey, etc. So even if you say you want a specific brand we can't deliver it.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: usdcaguy
Posted 2012-11-16 09:07:23 and read 4004 times.

Many of these complaints might be addressed more systemically;

- People stuff trash in their seat pockets because there are trash runs only after a drink service. Often, especially on flights with amenity kits and wrapped pillows and blankets, trash is produced as soon as one sits down. Why not do a quick run shortly after takeoff and once every 90 minutes?

- Planes are loud and many think that they shouldn't ring the call button if it's not an emergency. Why not have a special call button for non-emergencies that will be answered within a certain amount of time instead of forcing people to snap their fingers so they're noticed?

- Why in the world are planes always so darn cold? What could be done to control the temperature more proactively?

- Will we ever see new ways of getting bags on the plane at the same time as passengers? It would be interesting to find a way of dropping one's bag directly at the hold instead of checking it. I know many of you are rolling your eyes, but perhaps planes designed with lots of in-cabin storage and less hold space would be better, although that means less room for cargo.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: gegarrenton
Posted 2012-11-16 09:24:14 and read 4001 times.

Quoting nws2002 (Reply 9):
Well we usually only have one type of vodka, one type of whiskey, etc. So even if you say you want a specific brand we can't deliver it.

Sorry, I read it more as asking for any particular liqour, ie Jack Daniels instead of Glenlivet. They are both whiskey, but obviously one Tennessee and one Scotch. Most airlines have both types.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: Tomassjc
Posted 2012-11-16 09:26:54 and read 4006 times.

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 10):
Why in the world are planes always so darn cold? What could be done to control the temperature more proactively


Not all the time! You'd be surprised how many F/As ask the Flight Deck to turn up the heat and lower the cabin pressure just a bit to get people to fall asleep!

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: catiii
Posted 2012-11-16 09:41:04 and read 4000 times.

Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
According to a recent survey of 700 Flight Attendants they voted their perfect passenger as Male, single, in his 30's and not on business....mmm, I think there could be romance in the air???

This is a somewhat misleading thread title and statement. The story in the link says: "The results also showed that, according to cabin crew, the perfect passenger is male, travels alone for pleasure rather than business and is aged in his 30s."

In the context of the story, I read it as this type of passenger is the "lowest maintenance." I don't think it has anything to do with romance.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: AR385
Posted 2012-11-16 09:53:59 and read 4006 times.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
1- well flight attendants are also good at ignoring passengers; they often do their mid flight drink rounds from the back forward and passed your seat already so you can't have any other way then snapping the fingers or ask 'hello?' to catch their attention

In some parts of the world, like North America and Latin America it is considered very, very rude and condescending to snap your fingers at someone. I know in Europe maybe not so much, as I´ve seen that done often over there. However, many of my European friends, have quickly discovered not to do it on this side of the pond.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
clicking your fingers at someone like they were a dog is rude, rude, rude.

Agreed. Customary or not, I find it very rude and don´t expect a nice answer from me if you do that. Then again, there are entitled, patronizing jerks everywhere.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: ryanov
Posted 2012-11-16 10:02:58 and read 4000 times.

My offhand comment after reading this thread is that several of the posters appear to NOT be on the perfect passengers list. You do realize that just because it is a flight attendant's job to deal with jerks all day does not mean that one has to actively contribute to it/resent them for sharing their preferences.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: dc9northwest
Posted 2012-11-16 10:06:34 and read 4001 times.

Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
6. Asking for more blankets/pillows 8%

U.S. airlines often keep the temperature so low you're freezing. Never understood the American fascination with being cold. Not "not warm". Cold. When you're sitting down 17C is not acceptable. This gripe can be easily remedied by keeping the cabin at a higher temperature.

Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
7. Stuffing rubbish in the seat pocket 7%

This one can be easily solved by passing every 5 minutes to collect trash (not just at the end of the flight). So they shouldn't complain about it as it's got an easy solution...

Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):

1. Clicking fingers to get your attention 26%
2. Leaving seat at the end before the light goes off 13%
3. Stuffing too many bags into overhead locker 11%
4. Complaining there's no space for their bag in the locker 10%
5. Talking through the safety demo 9%

Agree.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: ryanov
Posted 2012-11-16 10:18:43 and read 4000 times.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 16):
This one can be easily solved by passing every 5 minutes to collect trash (not just at the end of the flight). So they shouldn't complain about it as it's got an easy solution...

I don't know if you fly much, but I fly pretty regularly. They come by frequently for trash, right around the time you'd need them to. At most, you're holding onto it a little while. There is no need to stuff it into the pockets, but people do it anyway. And the FA's know this.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: frontierflyer
Posted 2012-11-16 13:18:58 and read 4007 times.

I'm 38 single , recently flew ELP-ORD-MCI-SEA-SAN-DFW-ELP all in F, all grrrrreat flights , very attentive FA's , very much down for conversation.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: manny
Posted 2012-11-16 13:22:51 and read 4002 times.

This survey was sent to Cathay Pacific, Singapore Airlines, Air India. And they got no response. Enough said!

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-11-16 13:35:18 and read 4007 times.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 16):
U.S. airlines often keep the temperature so low you're freezing

I actually think that SQ is the worse for this. In my experience their aircraft are always chilled to arctic temperatures. Sure, I prefer to be "too cold" than "too hot" on an aircraft, but there is a line. The one thing I don't understand re-SQ in particular is that their FAs must be freezing, just wearing a sarong style dress!!! My mother's theory is that they all wear thermal underwear beneath them.

Quoting ryanov (Reply 17):
There is no need to stuff it into the pockets, but people do it anyway.

If it is a drinks service and you shove you cup into the seat pocket and leave it there even though they come by 5 minutes later that is one thing. As somebody said above, though, on long haul flights you generate a vast quantity of waste within minutes just by unwrapping your blanket, earphones etc. 99% of the time that either goes in the seat pocket or on the floor. Also, when I've finished reading my newspaper I put it in the seat pocket. Admittedly if they do a rubbish run thereafter I will take it out and hand it to the crew, otherwise I'll leave it there when I disembark.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: N62NA
Posted 2012-11-16 13:41:14 and read 4006 times.

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 10):
People stuff trash in their seat pockets because there are trash runs only after a drink service. Often, especially on flights with amenity kits and wrapped pillows and blankets, trash is produced as soon as one sits down. Why not do a quick run shortly after takeoff and once every 90 minutes?

On AA, they do numerous walks through the cabin to pick up trash. And they ALWAYS do it about 15 minutes before landing as well.

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 10):
Why not have a special call button for non-emergencies that will be answered within a certain amount of time instead of forcing people to snap their fingers so they're noticed?

I'm surprised this snapping fingers thing is such a big deal. I wouldn't think you could hear fingers snapping with all that noise during flight. Or is it the visual of a person snapping fingers that is what they are talking about?

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: mogandoCI
Posted 2012-11-16 13:42:00 and read 4008 times.

Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
According to a recent survey of 700 Flight Attendants they voted their perfect passenger as Male, single, in his 30's and not on business....mmm, I think there could be romance in the air???

Makes sense. I'm grossly stereotyping here, but take out all the straight girls or gay guys from the pool of flight attendants and not many left over. "Male, single, in his 30's and not on business" exactly fits the "type" of what the flight attendants are interested in dating/flirting.

So the least desirable customer would be .... Meg Whitman ?

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: aloges
Posted 2012-11-16 14:06:04 and read 4004 times.

Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
Flight attendants' biggest gripes about passengers:

What a weird list... the first half is entirely reasonable, but the second half jus sounds weird.

Quote:
6. Asking for more blankets/pillows 8%

Well, people can't just help themselves, can they?

Quote:
7. Stuffing rubbish in the seat pocket 7%

Where else are you supposed to put it until the next rubbish collection is made?

Quote:
8. Asking for a different meal 6%

Well, as long as they don't complain after you've said "Sorry, chicken or beef is all we have." it doesn't really cause any loss of time, does it?

Quote:
9. Ringing the attendant bell to complain about temperature 6%

Should have given them that extra blanket, then...

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10. Asking for a specific brand of drink 4%

I'd rather drink water than Pepsi, but a Coke is nice every now and then - again, what's the problem?

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: s5daw
Posted 2012-11-16 16:00:13 and read 4008 times.

Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
4. Complaining there's no space for their bag in the locker 10%

On my last flight the passenger to board last was a mother with a small child. She had a carry on, and she needed it on board because some baby things were in there (it was about 4 hours flight). Yet all the lockers were full. FAs wanted her to put her bag somewhere "below" (I guess in the baggage compartment?) where it would not be accessible during flight.

So the question here is, why do passengers traveling on "normal" (non low cost) airlines even have to rush to board among the first to make sure there is enough space??

Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
7. Stuffing rubbish in the seat pocket 7%

Uhm... and what is the alternative?

Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
9. Ringing the attendant bell to complain about temperature 6%

On the same flight as the baggage problem, we also had very chilly temperature. Flying from Africa, a lot of people were dressed for nice and warm weather. FAs did raise the temperature after someone complained though.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: ozark1
Posted 2012-11-16 16:46:34 and read 4661 times.

You are obviously from somewhere overseas and I have to tell ya, those are some of the dumbest anwers i've heard. In the United States, we find space for peoples luggage before they complain, I haven't had a finger click done to me except maybe twice in 35 years (Caribbean), we know some people get up at the end before the seat belt sign goes off, but they've gotten much better and hey, it's their life if the plane might lurch forward or come to a sudden stop. No one complains about pillows and blankets because we don't have any. Talking during the safety demo? Are you serious? From what country did you get these "results"? Flight Attendants will always be stereotyped. None of the mentioned "problems" bother me in the least, except maybe the "rubbish" in the seat pocket. People are pigs, but I have learned to accept that. I will be more than happy to get the temperature changed, apologize for lack of meal choice, and give people a Coke if they want a Coke or a Pepsi if we are out of Coke, with an apology. These types of "surveys" are totally geared to incite some kind of ridiculous response from the public, and by the looks of some of the responses, it has succeeded.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: AAMDanny
Posted 2012-11-16 16:47:11 and read 4574 times.

I can assure You that MY ideal passenger would be cargo.

I want to be a F/A for FedEx. Cargo can't talk back!

Ha, I like this post, but in all serious, my ideal pax would probably be a plane full of the Nun's out of Sister Act. They would be happy with just juice and water.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: aklrno
Posted 2012-11-16 16:57:04 and read 4730 times.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
- well flight attendants are also good at ignoring passengers; they often do their mid flight drink rounds from the back forward and passed your seat already so you can't have any other way then snapping the fingers or ask 'hello?' to catch their attention

I'm really good about making sure my trash gets picked up, but a lot of FAs don't make that easy for me. WN seems to me to be the worst case. The FAs nearly always walk backwards down the aisle with their rubbish bag. There is no way I can see them coming. I'f I'm not on the aisle and don't have the stuff in my hand, I can't get it into the bag without doing something to attract their attention, or just stuff it into the seat pocket and hope I have better luck next time.

I simply can't understand why they don't walk forward so I would have a few seconds warning of their impending arrival.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: delta2ual
Posted 2012-11-16 16:57:38 and read 4714 times.

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 10):
- People stuff trash in their seat pockets because there are trash runs only after a drink service. Often, especially on flights with amenity kits and wrapped pillows and blankets, trash is produced as soon as one sits down. Why not do a quick run shortly after takeoff and once every 90 minutes?

We would make an announcement before landing and specifically say "check your seatback pockets" and we would still find trash stuffed in them on the ground.

Snapping fingers is certainly better than someone grabbing your arm or tugging on your jacket (I've had both happen).
I think airplanes are like hospitals: they are always cold to passengers/patients because they're sitting down doing nothing. To F/A's and nurses, it's comfortable because we are moving around so much.
My biggest peeve was people clipping their toenails. Gross!

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: MotorHussy
Posted 2012-11-16 17:11:40 and read 4754 times.

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 10):
- Planes are loud and many think that they shouldn't ring the call button if it's not an emergency. Why not have a special call button for non-emergencies that will be answered within a certain amount of time instead of forcing people to snap their fingers so they're noticed?

NZ gets around this to some degree (in long-haul) by allowing passengers to order drinks etc through their seat-back IFE screen.

Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
1. Clicking fingers to get your attention 26%

Witnessed a very effective waitress in a bar deal with an obnoxious patron who clicked his fingers at her. Carrying on with her job, she threw her voice at him saying, "buddy, it takes more than two fingers to make me come".

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: airdfw
Posted 2012-11-16 17:56:20 and read 4695 times.

Quoting frontierflyer (Reply 18):

I'm 38 single , recently flew ELP-ORD-MCI-SEA-SAN-DFW-ELP all in F, all grrrrreat flights , very attentive FA's , very much down for conversation.

When you are in F they are all attentive aren't they?  

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: DeltaMD90
Posted 2012-11-16 19:31:03 and read 4640 times.

Honestly I feel that some "gripes" are on the list just so they could fill 10 positions... can you guys think of anything that is more "worthy?" Maybe real flight attendants can fill in.

Again, this isn't Occupy Airport Terminals... this survey asked "gripes about passengers..." it may be that 90% of FAs don't have really many gripes with passengers, but if they are asked on a survey, I'm sure they can come up with some, even if they aren't that major. Some of yall are acting like the FAs are losing their minds over some of these gripes. I could complain about my job, sure, but I won't, because the pros outweigh the cons. But if someone is surveying me, yes, I can find a million "gripes"

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: vatveng
Posted 2012-11-16 20:02:21 and read 4617 times.

It reads like the publisher of the survey came up with whatever "gripes" they could think of and then sent it out to FAs to rank their top ten. This happens with surveys all the time, your answers are limited to the choices given.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: Mir
Posted 2012-11-16 20:23:35 and read 4608 times.

Quoting s5daw (Reply 24):
Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
7. Stuffing rubbish in the seat pocket 7%

Uhm... and what is the alternative?

Keep it on your tray table for the extra few minutes it takes for the crew to come around.

It's one thing if the trash is something that won't make a mess of the seat pocket. There's nothing wrong with putting that there. But cups, bags of pretzels that are still open, etc. shouldn't go in the seat pockets - they must make a mess for everyone else.

-Mir

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-11-16 23:09:29 and read 4595 times.

Quoting frontierflyer (Reply 18):
I'm 38 single , recently flew ELP-ORD-MCI-SEA-SAN-DFW-ELP all in F, all grrrrreat flights , very attentive FA's , very much down for conversation.

Every time I fly J/F I feel rather attended to as well, not a good example, as we all know Y is a whole different experience.

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 28):
Snapping fingers is certainly better than someone grabbing your arm or tugging on your jacket (I've had both happen).

Or blurting out, "hey you" or "Stewardess", I think snapping your fingers is rude, but, I have been on a few flights, where getting the attention of a F/A was an act of frustration, with the dead stare towards to front or back of the plane as they pass through the aisles. In that instance I'd do the same thing, most experiences I've had did not warrant such behavior.

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 28):
My biggest peeve was people clipping their toenails. Gross!

That is flat out disgusting! What kind of person is doing this kind of activity on board an aircraft? Yuck! I've been on a plane or two where some dim witted teenage girl has broken out her nail kit and started to paint her nails, didn't last long.

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 29):
Sandgroper (Thread starter):1. Clicking fingers to get your attention 26%
Witnessed a very effective waitress in a bar deal with an obnoxious patron who clicked his fingers at her. Carrying on with her job, she threw her voice at him saying, "buddy, it takes more than two fingers to make me come".

FANTASTIC! Great way to diffuse a situation, can you imagine some senior F/A telling that to a single guy in his 30's?

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-11-17 00:17:52 and read 4585 times.

Fits me, but I am closer to 40 than 30, I never fuss about anything during a flight. I guess most service personnel love a customer like me, I am not that demanding at all. But women in general prefer other types of males IMO, one who fights back and maybe treats them like crap sometime. Sure I could meet an Asian woman with different values but I feel they are a bit too needy for my liking.

I think this is not about attractive males, more like smooth customers. The times we live in turn people into whiny demanding arrogant pricks. If you keep quiet you will be forgotten and left aside, be loud and make sure to attract attention to yourself. It´s not the kindest or smartest people who achieve the best positions in the society, its the opposite IMO. All small slaves fight among the bread crumbs left over by the elite of the world.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: kl911
Posted 2012-11-17 02:54:42 and read 4612 times.

Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
According to a recent survey of 700 Flight Attendants they voted their perfect passenger as Male, single, in his 30's and not on business....mmm, I think there could be romance in the air???

Lol! Attention KLM girls, I'm flying Saturday BUD-AMS  

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: babybus
Posted 2012-11-17 04:32:55 and read 4529 times.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
Flight attendants shouldn't be so whiny.
Many of their gripes are something which is part of their service, if they don't like these requests I'd suggest applying for another job or do something about it.

I agree with you. According to that list I'm surprised they didn't put 'serving meals and drinks' and 'leaving the galley'.

The job of FA is all that list. A passenger would get an equally frosty reception pushing the call button as snapping their fingers.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: United_fan
Posted 2012-11-17 05:55:38 and read 4501 times.

Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
Flight attendants' biggest gripes about passengers:

1. Clicking fingers to get your attention 26%

This too would be very annoying to me.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: YYZBound
Posted 2012-11-17 06:42:20 and read 4477 times.

I agree with ozark1. Those are immensely stupid answers.

On occasion, someone will attempt to get my attention my yelling, "oh steward!"

I always respond with, "yes, passenger??"

And it ALWAYS gets a laugh. And then I'll usually introduce myself by name and help them out. 9 times out of 10 the person winds up being my favorite passenger on the flight

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: SCQ83
Posted 2012-11-17 07:53:33 and read 4465 times.

I would be curious to see how nationalities have to do with this.

I flew earlier this year KIX-FCO (full B777) with AZ and I was one of the very few Western passengers (the only one in my part of the rear Economy cabin of +100 seats; a Male, single, in my 20's and not on business   ), the rest being Japanese. The 12/13-hour flight was (despite being full in Economy) probably the quietest I have ever flown... most people were sleeping and they didn't talk a word or even left their seat for the 12 hours (!). Also compared to your average long-haul flight that after 12 hours is a mess (newspapers, trash, pillows and blankets all over the place), I would say that the passengers (because it certainly had to do more with the passengers that with the carrier itself) managed to keep the plane as spotless (again a full Economy in a B777) as when we boarded. I know it might sound cliche as for Japanese quietness and cleanliness but it was kind of a pleasure that flight... I can imagine being a flight attendant (despite being a 12 hour round) would be a breeze. And that probably is, all flight attendants were very senior.

On the other hand, talking to flight attendants from different carriers, seniority and parts of the world (Europe and US), somehow they agree that some nationalities/destinations (and not necessarily the more evident ones) are particularly avoidable.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: factsonly
Posted 2012-11-17 08:06:26 and read 4461 times.

Airline crew: The job that no longer is...........what it used to be !!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioGM7d81ufQ

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: GentFromAlaska
Posted 2012-11-17 09:11:13 and read 4426 times.

Quoting gegarrenton (Reply 11):
Sorry, I read it more as asking for any particular liqour, ie Jack Daniels instead of Glenlivet. They are both whiskey, but obviously one Tennessee and one Scotch. Most airlines have both types.

Reading between the lines I think what they asking is for pax to familiarize themselves with the beverage list placard in the seat back. Even WN has one but not always in every seat-back. I've been limited to one per row. I know AS announces the beverages they fly with.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: anstar
Posted 2012-11-17 09:13:45 and read 4431 times.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 16):
This gripe can be easily remedied by keeping the cabin at a higher temperature.

You don't want to have it too hot - otherwise it will be pax fainting - especially on night flights!

Quoting babybus (Reply 37):

The job of FA is all that list.

Really? Some - yes, but certainly not all.

So you are saying my job is to

- answer to clicking fingers?
- allow pax to stand up before the seatbelt sign is off?
- think its ok to bring more than your allowance on board?
- accept it is your right to talk through the safety demo?
- Ask for more than you have paid for and be pissed if I can't deliver that? Ie more blankets?

Whilst I agree some elements are part of the job - ie making sure you watch the safety demo, get you a drink if you ask, help you find overhead space.... Some elements are also passengers own responsibilities... seriously... only bring a bag that is allowed to come onboard, please be silent during the safety video, please wait for the seatbelt sign to go off before getting up.

It is a 2 way street and if we all co-operated and did what we were supposed to do then it would be a much better travel experience for everyone.
I have no issue getting someone a drink if they press their call button... sure it is mainly for emergencies, but if you are stuck in a window seat on a long haul flight then it is hard for you to get up and I understand that.

In the end it is just about having a bit of mutual respect - from BOTH parties.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: kl911
Posted 2012-11-17 09:17:16 and read 4452 times.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 42):
Reading between the lines I think what they asking is for pax to familiarize themselves with the beverage list placard in the seat back. Even WN has one but not always in every seat-back. I've been limited to one per row. I know AS announces the beverages they fly with.

One per row? That is poor..... Even Ryanair hands out a full menu to all pax, and you can keep it as well. ( Its a small magazine, menu, and duty free stuff in one )

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: panova98
Posted 2012-11-17 11:23:46 and read 4432 times.

I wonder if you took a survey of flight attendants concerning their gripes about male, single, in their 30s, not on business passengers, the results would be any different. I doubt it.

Everyone of us has done one or, more than likely, all of the things on this list that the attendants might consider gripes. But, I often wonder if the average flight attendant has ever had the real life experience of travelling like an average passenger. Might help to see things differently.

Of course, we should all try and live by the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Not all that easy, I know.

If you travel widely enough, just in this country, you sometimes wonder if we are really part of the same country. Try flying with peope from each: Boston, New York, Lancaster, Pa, Hamlet, NC, Wichita, Fort Worth, Seattle, San Fran, or Loma Linda, and note the differences in passenger behavior. I know, your folks act perfectly, but those others. Like people from Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. You mean they really live in the same State?

Of course, in other countries, no such issue. Whether you're from Sydney, Melbourne, or Perth, or Zurich, Geneva, or Bern, everyone in his or her country thinks and acts the same! I kid, of course.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: LV
Posted 2012-11-17 20:24:28 and read 4453 times.

Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
mmm, I think there could be romance in the air???

I don't know about that, I am 32... I joined Match.com about a month ago, sent messages to two flight attendents (including one that had her profile pick in her uniform on a plane because you could see the seats in the back ground and I could tell it was a 737) and both of them rejected me pretty quickly   

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: Stratofish
Posted 2012-11-18 14:37:36 and read 4338 times.

Well, I do snip my fingers ...every time I want the attention of a cat or dog (which is like 5 times per year) but never at FAs. It's rude just about everywhere!

Quoting manny (Reply 19):
This survey was sent to Cathay Pacific, Singapore Airlines, Air India. And they got no response. Enough said!

No FA of CX or SQ probably ever saw the survey or where too afraid to answer. However I'm sure they would have answered quite similar.

Quoting aloges (Reply 23):
I'd rather drink water than Pepsi, but a Coke is nice every now and then - again, what's the problem?

I think this is a bit more complex. Sure you do know there is a SLIGHT difference in taste but then it's not alarming. Also they probably don't mind telling 50 pax "sorry we only serve xy" but after 150 it gets truly annoying. Try to imagine you worked for Apple service and 8 out of 10 were asking you what to do about the "window" button. I once worked at a coffee place that (for whatever reason) did not sell espresso. After 8 ours and 879 orders of espresso even I as ready to say "look if I had espresso it would be on the damn price plate!"
I do get hat you're saying but it's more complex really. Besides, some rum brands DO taste better with Pepsi!!  
Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 29):
NZ gets around this to some degree (in long-haul) by allowing passengers to order drinks etc through their seat-back IFE screen.

Wow! I mean seriously! Get that on your advertising and it will sure be of consideration for my next trip!

Quoting kl911 (Reply 36):
Lol! Attention KLM girls, I'm flying Saturday BUD-AMS

LOL Well, out of 10 KLM FAs you get 4 males, 3 over the age of 50 and "only" 3 good looking blonds in truly hideous uniforms. But ALL of them will do a great job! At least that's my experience.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 40):
I know it might sound cliche as for Japanese quietness and cleanliness but it was kind of a pleasure that flight... I can imagine being a flight attendant (despite being a 12 hour round) would be a breeze

Maybe they were just tired? I really don't want to indulge into stereotypes but I always found Japanese customers among the most demanding. Might have been bad luck.

In all: why just don't we treat FAs as what they are: professionals and human beings with grace and honor..?

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-11-19 02:12:27 and read 4332 times.

I had a very cute FA on my last flight, she was constantly smiling, it´s something that attracts me, women who smile and it looks natural. I guess I was a bit too interested in her because she asked if there was something I need, I probably turned red in the face and ordered something I did not need just to excuse my constant checking her out. Smiling women must be my soft spot, otherwise in my country women look pretty cold and never smile, but this one was and it got me.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: manny
Posted 2012-11-19 11:18:22 and read 4248 times.

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 47):
No FA of CX or SQ probably ever saw the survey or where too afraid to answer. However I'm sure they would have answered quite similar.

How do you know they were too afraid to answer and they would have answered quite similar ?

I believe the would not have. Because they are too focused on what you call.....ahhh customer service.

One of the few airlines left where FA's know they are there are there to make life pleasant for their customers not the other way around. I know a few of them and have flown these airlines.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-11-19 11:48:38 and read 4283 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 6):
When I was single and in my 30s no one wanted me.

   When I was single and in my 30's, there weren't any female f/a's in their 30's!   

Quoting nws2002 (Reply 9):
Well we usually only have one type of vodka, one type of whiskey, etc. So even if you say you want a specific brand we can't deliver it.

But people sometimes just say 'coke' or 'sprite.' I know my grandma wants her Jack Daniels and nothing else will do... A polite 'we have Pepsi' or 'Jim Bean' is good enough.

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 12):
Not all the time! You'd be surprised how many F/As ask the Flight Deck to turn up the heat and lower the cabin pressure just a bit to get people to fall asleep!

Now wait a second, doesn't the 787 offer higher cabin pressure. Houston, we have a problem.  
Quoting N62NA (Reply 21):
On AA, they do numerous walks through the cabin to pick up trash. And they ALWAYS do it about 15 minutes before landing as well.

AA has been great in 2012. Note: I have refused to fly them since the slowdown.   But the F/As deserve Kudos (and so does management)

Quoting babybus (Reply 37):
I agree with you. According to that list I'm surprised they didn't put 'serving meals and drinks' and 'leaving the galley'.

   There are those airlines. Somehow AA was very good at the start of this year (I hope they still are). I avoid those airlines that have those types of F/As. If more passengers did... it wouldn't be a complaint. But passengers are not putting it into their 'supply/demand curve.'  
Quoting United_fan (Reply 38):
Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
Flight attendants' biggest gripes about passengers:

1. Clicking fingers to get your attention 26%

This too would be very annoying to me.

That annoys me too and shows someone who doesn't value labor of any sort; I let my kids kick the back of their chairs.   

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: Stratofish
Posted 2012-11-19 14:21:13 and read 4241 times.

Quoting manny (Reply 49):
How do you know they were too afraid to answer and they would have answered quite similar ?

The HR departments of these airlines are known to be very strict.

Quoting manny (Reply 49):
I believe the would not have. Because they are too focused on what you call.....ahhh customer service.

I'm sure they do have their gripes on certain customers as well. Enjoying disgusting and degrading gestures of customers without manners is not customer service! Ignoring them the best they can while keeping them quite and occupied so they don't bother other well mannered pax, that's what I call customer service.

Quoting manny (Reply 49):
One of the few airlines left where FA's know they are there are there to make life pleasant for their customers not the other way around. I know a few of them and have flown these airlines.

FAs are there for our safety and comfort, not for personality issues of some customers. You rightfully expect them to make your life a little more pleasant, yes, and they can expect to be treated with dignity for that.
Should be same as in any other business relation.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2012-11-19 15:30:06 and read 4169 times.

Quoting manny (Reply 49):
One of the few airlines left where FA's know they are there are there to make life pleasant for their customers not the other way around.

umm... no.

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 51):
FAs are there for our safety and comfort, not for personality issues of some customers.

  

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 50):

That annoys me too and shows someone who doesn't value labor of any sort; I let my kids kick the back of their chairs.


A fitting punishment.  


While in customer service I never experienced snapping of fingers (fortunately)... but nothing annoyed me more than someone whistling to get my attention. Sorry, I'm not a dog. Based on the statements by some here, they'd think I was very poor at customer service... but I received at least one promotion at every customer service job I ever held on more than a seasonal basis, so I must have been doing something right...

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: lewis
Posted 2012-11-19 16:35:21 and read 4152 times.

Quoting airdfw (Reply 30):
When you are in F they are all attentive aren't they?

I would go as far as to say that even snapping fingers would be fine. It would still be frowned upon but would not result in a rude response like in Y.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: jet-lagged
Posted 2012-11-19 19:08:08 and read 4130 times.

Quoting Sandgroper (Thread starter):
1. Clicking fingers to get your attention 26%

What about whistling?

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-11-19 20:57:08 and read 4134 times.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 16):
U.S. airlines often keep the temperature so low you're freezing. Never understood the American fascination with being cold. Not "not warm". Cold. When you're sitting down 17C is not acceptable. This gripe can be easily remedied by keeping the cabin at a higher temperature.

I haven't been on a plane in the US in years that wasn't so swelteringly hot that i had to ask for it to be turned down.

I'm sorry but my comfort is in fact important.

NS

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: infinit
Posted 2012-11-19 22:18:47 and read 4151 times.

A single male in my 20s. I have never pressed the button to get the FA's attention even when I flew F and J with SQ. I rather just walk to the galley and get what I want. Funny thing is whenever I do that, regardless of which cabin I'm in, the FAs both male and female, tend to look really guilty and panicky like they felt they failed to anticipate my needs.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: warden145
Posted 2012-11-20 01:12:08 and read 4132 times.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 16):
U.S. airlines often keep the temperature so low you're freezing. Never understood the American fascination with being cold. Not "not warm". Cold. When you're sitting down 17C is not acceptable. This gripe can be easily remedied by keeping the cabin at a higher temperature.
Quoting gigneil (Reply 55):
I haven't been on a plane in the US in years that wasn't so swelteringly hot that i had to ask for it to be turned down.

I'm sorry but my comfort is in fact important.

  

I'm with gigneil on this...I can't think of a single flight I've been on in the last 15 years that wasn't either right on the borderline of being too hot or on the wrong side of that border. Someone mentioned that all cabins should be kept at 24C; if a cabin were this hot I for one would be in absolute misery, and there's really no way to escape it short of not flying in the first place. And, how many airlines advertise the average temperature they keep the cabin at?

IMHO 17C is perfect...not "arctic" cold, but cool enough that people accustomed to a cooler climate won't melt. Furthermore, it's easier to raise your temperature (i.e. putting on a sweater, using a blanket) if you're too cold than it is to lower your temperature (i.e. start removing clothing) if you're too hot.

Just my   

Back on the more immediate topic, I try to behave myself on planes...I work in the service industry myself, so the absolute last thing I want to do is give FA's any undue grief. To the best of my knowledge I've never done anything on that list...for that matter, I'm one of the few who actually pays close attention during the safety announcements. I've flown enough that I generally know it already, but IMHO a review to keep my memory fresh is a very good idea.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: WNcrew
Posted 2012-11-20 19:37:41 and read 4008 times.

Quoting aklrno (Reply 27):
WN seems to me to be the worst case. The FAs nearly always walk backwards down the aisle with their rubbish bag.
Quoting aklrno (Reply 27):
I simply can't understand why they don't walk forward so I would have a few seconds warning of their impending arrival.

The PROBLEM isn't that people shove their trash into the seatback pocket, it's that they DO NOT REMOVE IT! I know I walk through the cabin at LEAST 6-5 times on a 2hr flight to collect trash but people are too lazy to reach forward 5 inches and remove it from the pocket. THAT is why we often walk Back to front because this way we can actually see INTO the seat pocket as we go and request the trash be removed and handed to us.

Another annoyance that makes no sense:

Me: "Sir would you like to keep your newspaper or may I recycle it?"
(it's stuffed into the seatback with a laptop, 2 books and a water bottle)
Pax: "No....I'm keeping it"

...5 mins later we've landed and I'm cleaning the cabin and what do I find? SEATBACKS FULL OF NEWSPAPERS... the same ones I politely asked for 3 or 4 times. We clean our own cabins... don't be so lazy, we're always coming through with a trashbag. I realize we can't stand at each row on your whim to collect every little snippet of paper but for the love of God clean up after yourselves!

YES, things annoy us... just as things annoy YOU the passenger, but be decent and courteous and stop acting as if JUST BECAUSE you're the customer you're entitled to be lazy and rude and nasty and messy... have some manners! Stop making excuses!

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: dc9northwest
Posted 2012-11-20 20:07:27 and read 3977 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 55):
I haven't been on a plane in the US in years that wasn't so swelteringly hot that i had to ask for it to be turned down.

I'm sorry but my comfort is in fact important.

I've only been on one "swelteringly hot" flight in 306 flights I've taken. That was on Air France. Also, a DL flight from FLL had a cooling problem for 20 minutes. When it finally reached my ideal temperature, the problem got fixed at it was fixed. I didn't have a friggin' sweater with me in FLL in May, because why would I need to?

So your comfort is important but my health isn't? 17C is too cold for someone with bad peripheral circulation, for example. Nice one.

Quoting warden145 (Reply 57):
IMHO 17C is perfect...not "arctic" cold, but cool enough that people accustomed to a cooler climate won't melt. Furthermore, it's easier to raise your temperature (i.e. putting on a sweater, using a blanket) if you're too cold than it is to lower your temperature (i.e. start removing clothing) if you're too hot.

Yes, yes, most Americans I've met think that. That's what I don't understand. Not why airlines would do it, but why Americans prefer it. I've lived here for 7 years but I still don't get it.

17C is perfect if you're outside, moving. If you're sitting down and it's 17C (62F), it gets frigid really fast. A blanket? That's a laugh. It's apparently obscene to ask for a blanket from a F/A, as per this thread. Let's say that in winter, it's fine, as I can put my winter jacket on. In summer, what's there to do? Put gloves and a hat on?? Travel to Florida with a winter jacket? In mid-July?

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: MCO2BRS
Posted 2012-11-21 07:33:17 and read 3680 times.

As an FA I'll tell you what I LIKE about my job, since the gripes have been chewed over repeatedly above.

1. Passengers who say 'Thank you'
2. Passengers who say 'Please'
3. Passengers who say 'I don't know how you do it'
4. Passengers who don't throw a fit when I say we've run out of Mini Cheddars.
5. Passengers who smile and ask me how I am.

Its a stressful job, and I've worked in customer service for longer than I thought I ever could. We all have stressful lives and jobs, and no matter what we do or where we go we will always find something that annoys us.

I've learned to appreciate the little positives, and make the most of them.

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-11-21 22:48:21 and read 3259 times.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 59):
So your comfort is important but my health isn't? 17C is too cold for someone with bad peripheral circulation, for example. Nice one.

I think we can agree 17 degrees is a bit on the cold side. 20 to 21 is fine. More than that isn't.

I was apologizing to the people in the customer service industry who are annoyed by customer service requests.

NS

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: dc9northwest
Posted 2012-11-22 10:22:17 and read 2945 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 61):
I think we can agree 17 degrees is a bit on the cold side. 20 to 21 is fine. More than that isn't.

I was apologizing to the people in the customer service industry who are annoyed by customer service requests.

Yeah, I was thinking about the ideal temperature yesterday on the way to the airport, and came to the conclusion that most people would agree on 20-21C (68-70F). That's perfectly fine.

Sorry for misunderstanding your 2nd comment.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Topic: RE: FA's Want Single Male Passengers In Their 30's
Username: zippyjet
Posted 2012-11-23 21:08:32 and read 2476 times.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
well I can't understand why for instance they put the temperature on 17C when they fly from one tropical destination to the next. Maybe they wear long sleeve suits and run around sweating and feel fine but most pax would prefer 24C in that case and otherwise ask for blankets.



In F that's 62 and 24 degrees. At least on the Boeing 717-200 and 737 300, 400 and 700 series the temperature of the cabin is controlled from the cockpit. And even these smaller planes are divided into at least two zones. Those temperatures are extreme for a cabin in my experience. Much of the time the ambient cabin temperature ranges from
20 C/ 68 F. to 22 or 23 C/72-73 F. Of course cabin air is at a much lower humidity which makes one feel cooler than they'd normally feel. I for one see nothing wrong regarding requesting an F/A at least ask the cockpit to adjust the temperature.

I don't care if you are a Flight Attendant, celebrity or average Joe, Finger snapping is demeaning.

I was very surprised at least from what was in this thread that, Obnoxious parents letting their evil kids run wild and make a mess of the cabin was not at or near the top. I know from walking through some cabins, people treat an airliner cabin like a toxic waste dump. I believe this has to do more with the erosion of common sense, courtesy and decency. When we were kids all our parents had to do was give us the evil eye if they thought we were misbehaving or inconsiderate whether it be on a flight or anywhere else. Things have changed it's the new morality.

And I don't care what kind of work you do there' job specific that you could do without or pisses you off. It's just an honest answer/poll to an honest question for the article. It seems when a group that are in the same occupation, business or whatever sound off, a lot of the general public takes offense and feels if they don't like it leave their employment. This would be for the Non-Av thread but I'd love to find out what pisses off your average government worker. I'm not talking about police, military, medical or other essential but your bureaucratic clerical/office government jobs.


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