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Topic: US Airways East/west Based A321s Differences
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-22 09:35:48 and read 8196 times.

Hello all,

I recently flew on n510uw from JFK-CLT (the flight, though, continued to PHX). Sometimes track the registrations of planes I have been on in my down time and I noticed that this aircraft does mostly JFK-PHX, PHX-SAN/LAX, PHX-CLT, and CLT-DEN routes.

Over the summer I also flew on N540UW from CLT-LGA and I have noticed that this plane does mainly east coast routes.cBased on the engines both aircraft have, as well as the registration numbers, that these were both East-based aircraft.

So my questions are:

1. Are both aircraft east-based?

2. Are there certain routes that certain aircraft fly a lot or is it just a coincidence? (For instance, N510UW does visit JFK a fair amount (mostly from PHX), and it visits SAN a decent amount (from PHX, PHL, and CLT))

3. I know this has been asked here before, but which engines do the west-based a321s have and what registration number series are they?

Thanks for any info!!!

Happy thanksgiving!  

[Edited 2012-11-22 12:08:54 by Luxair747SP]

Topic: RE: US Airways East/west Based A321s Differences
Username: boberito6589
Posted 2012-11-22 20:42:02 and read 7499 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Thread starter):
1. Are both aircraft east-based?

Nope, 510 is West and 540 is East

Quoting spiritair97 (Thread starter):
3. I know this has been asked here before, but which engines do the west-based a321s have and what registration number series are they?

East has: 161, 162, 163, 165, 167, 169, 170-174, 176-198, 536-540, 543, 554-566
West has: 507-510, 519-521, 523, 524, 534, 535, 541, 542, 544-553

Topic: RE: US Airways East/west Based A321s Differences
Username: wn676
Posted 2012-11-22 21:38:22 and read 7355 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Thread starter):
[3. I know this has been asked here before, but which engines do the west-based a321s have and what registration number series are they?

100 series tail numbers have CFMs and 500 series have IAEs. So all the west birds are IAE.

Topic: RE: US Airways East/west Based A321s Differences
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-22 22:42:46 and read 7239 times.

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 1):
Quoting wn676 (Reply 2):

Thanks for the responses! It makes a lot more sense now tht 510 does so many PHX routes.

Does anybody know if JFK sees any east a321s? Every one I've ever seen here has had IAE engines and many are routed CLT-JFK-PHX or PHX-JFK-CLT if they don't go from PHX-JFK-PHX.

Topic: RE: US Airways East/west Based A321s Differences
Username: wn676
Posted 2012-11-23 06:40:41 and read 5355 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 3):
Does anybody know if JFK sees any east a321s? Every one I've ever seen here has had IAE engines and many are routed CLT-JFK-PHX or PHX-JFK-CLT if they don't go from PHX-JFK-PHX.

JFK-PHX has always been on west metal, but CLT-JFK has seen east A321s (both models) periodically in the last year or two.

Topic: RE: US Airways East/west Based A321s Differences
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-23 18:14:46 and read 3714 times.

Quoting wn676 (Reply 4):
JFK-PHX has always been on west metal, but CLT-JFK has seen east A321s (both models) periodically in the last year or two.

Great, thanks for the info!  

Topic: RE: US Airways East/west Based A321s Differences
Username: DeltaDC8
Posted 2012-11-23 18:58:07 and read 3615 times.

This topic answered one of my questions that they are still operating separately. One day will we ever see West ops and East ops merge into one? Also, what is keeping them from doing so now? From an operational stand point having some flights operated on East metal and some on West metal would prove costly.

Topic: RE: US Airways East/west Based A321s Differences
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-23 19:05:40 and read 3596 times.

Quoting DeltaDC8 (Reply 6):
This topic answered one of my questions that they are still operating separately. One day will we ever see West ops and East ops merge into one? Also, what is keeping them from doing so now? From an operational stand point having some flights operated on East metal and some on West metal would prove costly.

There are some non-west routes that occasionally see west metal. For isntance, in the last two days, N510UW (a west plane) has been routed: CLT-DEN-CLT-SFO-CLT-LAX and I believe returning to CLT, so, even though they aren't east coast routes per say, they are non-PHX routes.

Topic: RE: US Airways East/west Based A321s Differences
Username: hawaiian717
Posted 2012-11-24 10:08:25 and read 3115 times.

Quoting DeltaDC8 (Reply 6):
One day will we ever see West ops and East ops merge into one? Also, what is keeping them from doing so now?

The inability of the east (US Airways) and west (America West) pilot and flight attendant unions to agree on combined contracts and seniority lists.

Topic: RE: US Airways East/west Based A321s Differences
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-11-24 10:59:16 and read 3022 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):
There are some non-west routes that occasionally see west metal.

West Airbii have flown East routes essentially nonstop since the merger. Before East moved over to SHARES, they converted several gates on the west side of Concourse C at CLT to SHARES to handle West Airbus flights (they also converted ~5 gates on the east side of C to SHARES to handle the YV CR9s). In the early days of the merger, CLT-FLL/DCA were common West routes.

Topic: RE: US Airways East/west Based A321s Differences
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-24 12:39:37 and read 2864 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
West Airbii have flown East routes essentially nonstop since the merger. Before East moved over to SHARES, they converted several gates on the west side of Concourse C at CLT to SHARES to handle West Airbus flights (they also converted ~5 gates on the east side of C to SHARES to handle the YV CR9s). In the early days of the merger, CLT-FLL/DCA were common West routes.

Thanks for the info! Do they ever actually send any CR9s to the C Concourse? I travel through CLT every often (at least 1-2x a month) and have never seen them anywhere but the E concourse.

Topic: RE: US Airways East/west Based A321s Differences
Username: Maverick623
Posted 2012-11-24 12:40:36 and read 2859 times.

Quoting DeltaDC8 (Reply 6):
From an operational stand point having some flights operated on East metal and some on West metal would prove costly.

It's actually cheaper that way due to the cost structures involved. The only time it causes an issue is when an East flight has issues in PHX or a West flight has issues in CLT, PHL, or DCA.

Topic: RE: US Airways East/west Based A321s Differences
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-11-24 12:50:41 and read 2824 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 10):
Do they ever actually send any CR9s to the C Concourse?

Not anymore. When the E-Jets first started coming to CLT in signficant numbers, which was when RW came in to the US "family," they used E. In mid-2008 or so, they switched the CR9s and the E75s. In the Midatlantic days, there was often a single E70 flight, especially on Saturdays, and I cannot recall whether that was handled at B/C or E, but I expect B/C because it was technically a mainline flight.

I think CLT is the only airport where the E-Jets have used Express gates in significant numbers. When Midatlantic started, they tended to park the E70s on the end of B at PIT, and IIRC E-Jets have always used mainline gates at PHL (B and C) and DCA (everything but 35A).

Topic: RE: US Airways East/west Based A321s Differences
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-24 15:11:27 and read 2678 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
Not anymore. When the E-Jets first started coming to CLT in signficant numbers, which was when RW came in to the US "family," they used E. In mid-2008 or so, they switched the CR9s and the E75s. In the Midatlantic days, there was often a single E70 flight, especially on Saturdays, and I cannot recall whether that was handled at B/C or E, but I expect B/C because it was technically a mainline flight.

I think CLT is the only airport where the E-Jets have used Express gates in significant numbers. When Midatlantic started, they tended to park the E70s on the end of B at PIT, and IIRC E-Jets have always used mainline gates at PHL (B and C) and DCA (everything but 35A).

Great, thanks! I also didn't know that the MidAtlantic flights were technicall mainline.

I also pity the people who had to walk up the 1st-level jetways at E to the E-Jets! Must've been quite an incline!

Topic: RE: US Airways East/west Based A321s Differences
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2012-11-24 18:41:52 and read 2443 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
West Airbii have flown East routes essentially nonstop since the merger. Before East moved over to SHARES, they converted several gates on the west side of Concourse C at CLT to SHARES to handle West Airbus flights (they also converted ~5 gates on the east side of C to SHARES to handle the YV CR9s). In the early days of the merger, CLT-FLL/DCA were common West routes.

Based on Monday's schedule, here are some west routes out of CLT:

CLTORD
CLTDFW
CLTATL
CLTJFK
CLTEWR
CLTBOS
CLTPHX
CLTLAX
CLTSAN
CLTSFO
CLTDEN
CLTSLC

Topic: RE: US Airways East/west Based A321s Differences
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-24 19:37:49 and read 2354 times.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 14):

Thank you for that list! It is interesting to me that they actually have the east/west based aircraft. It seems like it would complicate things a bit but I guess not.


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