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Topic: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: DFWHeavy
Posted 2012-11-26 10:24:34 and read 11455 times.

I see that their load factor for September is only 68.65%. I thought it would be a bit higher than this. Does anyone know how the yields are doing and if they are making money on the route?

Does anyone know on average how much cargo they are carrying on these flights?

[Edited 2012-11-26 11:18:26]

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: milemaster
Posted 2012-11-26 11:17:17 and read 11300 times.

I was under the impression that it was a very strong route and an additional daily was being considered. Perhaps I am incorrect.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-11-26 11:21:25 and read 11263 times.

Quoting DFWHeavy (Thread starter):
Does anyone know on average how much they are carrying on these flights?

Assuming they're operating the 777-200LR, it should be able to carry a full payload as that is what EK Flight Planning folks have said the 777-200LR can do to IAH.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-11-26 11:46:59 and read 11074 times.

From what Ive heard, the flight is doing quite well. Its even started to get lots of revenue F and J tickets sold.

Is it the highlight of the EK route network? Probably not. However, its made a pretty good start. Im hoping that AA and EK will have some sort of agreement in the future. Its been rumored, we just have to see if it will play out.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: Tdan
Posted 2012-11-26 11:47:14 and read 11075 times.

September/October are typically the slowest months seasonally to the Middle East and India from the US. That being said, it is still in the spool, start-up stages, but from what I've heard is far and away the best new addition to the US. Much better than IAD and SEA which have really struggled. If the rumored cooperation with AA starts, I could see an eventual upgauge, but the 77L is perfect for now. IAH on the other hand is in desperate need of F/J seats!

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-11-26 12:08:22 and read 10941 times.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 4):
IAH on the other hand is in desperate need of F/J seats!

Tell me about it. My brother tried to buy a F seat (actually his company tried) to DXB last week and he couldn't get one. He had to go via DOH on QR. And he came back in J via DFW on EK and both QR and EK to IAH were sold out.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-11-26 12:18:09 and read 10859 times.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 4):
IAH on the other hand is in desperate need of F/J seats!

Sounds like a role for the 575t MTOW A380-800 when they become available.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-26 12:20:40 and read 10836 times.

I am assuming that its not doing as good as Houston. The other day my buddy tried booking a last minuete ticket on economy class with Qatar or Emirates to Amritsar and all flights were full packed.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-11-26 12:28:18 and read 10774 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 7):
I am assuming that its not doing as good as Houston. The other day my buddy tried booking a last minuete ticket on economy class with Qatar or Emirates to Amritsar and all flights were full packed.

IAH is about as good as yields get in the USA.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-11-26 12:37:19 and read 10706 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 7):
I am assuming that its not doing as good as Houston. The other day my buddy tried booking a last minuete ticket on economy class with Qatar or Emirates to Amritsar and all flights were full packed.

I would also assume that IAH-DXB does better than DFW-DXB, but your example is totally useless.

EK's DFW flight is a higher percentage of India traffic than the EK's IAH flight. India traffic is largely low yielding, though its yields are better out of DFW (sans BOM traffic) because of the IT, tech, and telecom companies here.

IAH-India traffic is heavily skewed toward BOM, DFW-India is more scattered throughout India with an emphasis on HYD, DEL, and BLR.

DFW-India is slightly larger than IAH-India and both are much larger than ATL or MIA-India. IAH-Gulf is quite a bit larger than DFW-Gulf. IAH-Gulf is heavily centered on DXB and Saudi.

[Edited 2012-11-26 12:39:27]

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2012-11-26 13:00:00 and read 10554 times.

Quoting milemaster (Reply 1):

I was under the impression that it was a very strong route and an additional daily was being considered. Perhaps I am incorrect.

Emirates is experiencing strong YoY revenue growth in the Americas region, and certainly has plans to expand to more cities in the US, from what I know, but I don't think that DFW is on the list to receive a second daily flight. That would be overkill. JFK has proven to be the only market in the Americas capable of more than 7 weekly flights.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: swissair4ever
Posted 2012-11-26 13:22:08 and read 10434 times.

From reliable sources:

DFW is strongest new US start-up route. Full fare J yields are very very strong. Cargo traffic has been much much better than expected. Second frequency planned for next year. The route is a hit. In addition, EK has made it a policy to charge a higher premium for DFW to India fares, and still loads are very very strong. Pax in the area are paying to travel EK. Believe it or not, their is still lots of hype from the IT sector that EK is in town.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: sonomaflyer
Posted 2012-11-26 13:38:34 and read 10328 times.

Quoting swissair4ever (Reply 11):

From reliable sources:

DFW is strongest new US start-up route. Full fare J yields are very very strong. Cargo traffic has been much much better than expected. Second frequency planned for next year. The route is a hit. In addition, EK has made it a policy to charge a higher premium for DFW to India fares, and still loads are very very strong. Pax in the area are paying to travel EK. Believe it or not, their is still lots of hype from the IT sector that EK is in town.

That is great to hear. The IT sector in North Texas isn't as well known as say California but there obviously is a ton of demand for the service - even at the premium EK charges.

It's this kind of performance that justifies the huge wide body orders EK has with Boeing and Airbus.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: Tdan
Posted 2012-11-26 14:18:58 and read 10145 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):
Tell me about it. My brother tried to buy a F seat (actually his company tried) to DXB last week and he couldn't get one. He had to go via DOH on QR. And he came back in J via DFW on EK and both QR and EK to IAH were sold out.

I'm in the same boat. TK cannot get here soon enough!

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):

Sounds like a role for the 575t MTOW A380-800 when they become available.

It will be one of, if not their first route for it

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 8):

IAH is about as good as yields get in the USA.

  

Quoting swissair4ever (Reply 11):
From reliable sources:

DFW is strongest new US start-up route. Full fare J yields are very very strong. Cargo traffic has been much much better than expected. Second frequency planned for next year. The route is a hit. In addition, EK has made it a policy to charge a higher premium for DFW to India fares, and still loads are very very strong. Pax in the area are paying to travel EK. Believe it or not, their is still lots of hype from the IT sector that EK is in town.

Heard the same, though it is just now turning the profitability corner. I thought the second flight next year was predicated on cooperation with AA? If not, IAH must be getting the second frequency back too even though it didn't do too well last time around (to be fair connectivity has been significantly improved out of the 0200 bank going west).

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-11-26 14:26:47 and read 10102 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 10):
JFK has proven to be the only market in the Americas capable of more than 7 weekly flights.

IAH proved to be able to support it but EK pulled the 77L aircraft to start DFW. EK has always intended to put back the second IAH flight.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 13):
IAH must be getting the second frequency back too even though it didn't do too well last time around (to be fair connectivity has been significantly improved out of the 0200 bank going west).

it did fine....jsut the saw more revenue up the road at DFW and were short of 77Ls

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: Tdan
Posted 2012-11-26 15:30:45 and read 9877 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 14):
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 10):
JFK has proven to be the only market in the Americas capable of more than 7 weekly flights.

IAH proved to be able to support it but EK pulled the 77L aircraft to start DFW. EK has always intended to put back the second IAH flight.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 13):
IAH must be getting the second frequency back too even though it didn't do too well last time around (to be fair connectivity has been significantly improved out of the 0200 bank going west).

it did fine....jsut the saw more revenue up the road at DFW and were short of 77Ls

Incremental load factors were terrible according to the airport's statistics. Still, with the improved connectivity in DXB it might be worth another shot until they can bring in the whalejetER

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-26 21:32:15 and read 8197 times.

Emirates should put back the 2nd flight at IAH they are kicking Qatar butts reason why the evening flight does better because of the connections during the day. IAH on Emirates and Qatar doesn't just have high Indian traffic has high South Asian and Middleastern/ Africa traffic as well as Southeast Asia. The mayor of Houston went to Saudi Arabia this month and some Saudi companies signed some deals and opened up some headquarters hopefully Saudi Airlines will think about starting to Houston.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-11-26 21:39:28 and read 8150 times.

Quoting swissair4ever (Reply 11):
From reliable sources:

DFW is strongest new US start-up route. Full fare J yields are very very strong. Cargo traffic has been much much better than expected. Second frequency planned for next year. The route is a hit. In addition, EK has made it a policy to charge a higher premium for DFW to India fares, and still loads are very very strong. Pax in the area are paying to travel EK. Believe it or not, their is still lots of hype from the IT sector that EK is in town.

If that's the case, then why hasn't EK changed their 77L aircraft to 77W?

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-11-26 21:44:47 and read 8097 times.

I'm wondering if the EK schedules align with the QF DFW daily service...? If this be the case QF/EK would more than likely benefit...

EK413

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-11-26 23:21:50 and read 7562 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 16):
IAH on Emirates and Qatar doesn't just have high Indian traffic has high South Asian and Middleastern/ Africa traffic as well as Southeast Asia.

Do you have the numbers on what the breakdown is of EK's passenger profile from IAH that head to South Asia, the Middle East, and Africa?

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 16):
The mayor of Houston went to Saudi Arabia this month and some Saudi companies signed some deals and opened up some headquarters hopefully Saudi Airlines will think about starting to Houston.

With TK soon to enter the market and the rumors of the return of the second EK flight, it may be harder for SV to start flights beyond JFK and IAD. The only time you will see a SV plane at IAH is if the Saudi Royal Family are in town for medical treatment or shopping.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-11-27 05:16:57 and read 5936 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 17):
If that's the case, then why hasn't EK changed their 77L aircraft to 77W?

Weight restricted westbound.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-11-27 06:37:55 and read 5441 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Quoting Tdan (Reply 4):
IAH on the other hand is in desperate need of F/J seats!

Sounds like a role for the 575t MTOW A380-800 when they become available.

I would expect IAH to receive the high MTOW A388 with the wing twist before LAX. IMHO, only IAH, and LAX are 'in the running' for A388 upgauge in 2013 (by EK).

I would have expected DFW and IAH to get some of the overflow from full IAH-DXB flights.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 4):
Much better than IAD and SEA which have really struggled.

I've heard enough about SEA. I'd like to know more about IAD. Is it UA? Does QR serve IAD too?


Lightsaber

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: DFWHeavy
Posted 2012-11-27 06:46:15 and read 5365 times.

What is the average load factor for EK departing IAH?

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: blink182
Posted 2012-11-27 07:11:56 and read 5156 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 18):
I'm wondering if the EK schedules align with the QF DFW daily service...? If this be the case QF/EK would more than likely benefit...

No. DFW locals can confirm, but to the best of my knowledge, EK is at DFW in the early morning and QF comes in just afternoon. The two airlines miss each other entirely, though I suppose that EK pax could connect to QF if they really wanted to sit around for ten or eleven hours. DXB-DFW-SYD sounds horrifyingly long.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: AA777223
Posted 2012-11-27 07:41:28 and read 4910 times.

The oil traffic is certainly going to feed both IAH and DFW. Lots of people are willig to catch a flight up to DFW if the IAH flight is booked. I can attest from working for a few oil companies now that QR, EK and others are surely doing quite well because of the industry.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: hohd
Posted 2012-11-27 07:48:45 and read 5026 times.

Last time I flew the second IAH-DXB flight, it was wide open. I had four seats for myself in the middle row on DXB-IAH. I booked a seat 8 hours before the flight started on IAH-DXB and got 3 seats for myself. This was in Feb/Mar last year. With TK introducing the flight and also since TK is star alliance member, I doubt if IAH will get the second EK flight anytime soon.

With QR joining oneworld, there is no question of having a relationship with AA at DFW. In fact QR might start a flight to DFW to capitalize on the oneworld status. And if it happens then EK might struggle at DFW.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: Tdan
Posted 2012-11-27 07:54:56 and read 4958 times.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 19):
The only time you will see a SV plane at IAH is if the Saudi Royal Family are in town for medical treatment or shopping.

Not true. SV still operates scheduled cargo service into IAH  
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 21):
I'd like to know more about IAD. Is it UA? Does QR serve IAD too?

Couple reasons. UA is well insulated because of "Fly America" requiring the US gov't employees to fly on a US carrier. They also serve KWI, BAH and DOH in the gulf which is usually a good driver of yield on EK's US flights. QR also had a first mover advantage in the market in addition to a frequent flier agreement with UA (currently being discontinued). Further pressure on the route will occur when EY enters the market in the spring. EK will be fine at IAD in the long-run, but it's going to be a much longer spool than DFW.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: SATexan
Posted 2012-11-27 12:00:16 and read 3966 times.

Quoting hohd (Reply 25):
I had four seats for myself in the middle row on DXB-IAH.

I travelled on the DXB-IAH sector three weeks ago and the flight (all classes) was wide open. I too had the entire middle row in Y for myself.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-27 12:26:31 and read 3880 times.

If you flew on IAH to DXB during FEB/MAR thats non peak season so of course you might end up on a none full flight. I work at IAH and pass by the gates in Terminal D everyday see the customers. I've been on that flight as well both Qatar and Emirates also have friends that work for Qatar and Emirates ask them since they deal with the passengers upfront.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-11-27 12:33:46 and read 3848 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 28):
If you flew on IAH to DXB during FEB/MAR thats non peak season so of course you might end up on a none full flight. I work at IAH and pass by the gates in Terminal D everyday see the customers. I've been on that flight as well both Qatar and Emirates also have friends that work for Qatar and Emirates ask them since they deal with the passengers upfront.



Do you have any factual data or are we just going off anecdotes?

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-27 12:43:18 and read 3770 times.

I don't have the facts to support just based on what I see.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-11-27 19:22:59 and read 3466 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 21):
Does QR serve IAD too?

Yes daily 77W nonstop DOH-IAD.

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: unityofsaints
Posted 2012-11-27 23:05:12 and read 3240 times.

Quoting blink182 (Reply 23):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 18):
I'm wondering if the EK schedules align with the QF DFW daily service...? If this be the case QF/EK would more than likely benefit...

No. DFW locals can confirm, but to the best of my knowledge, EK is at DFW in the early morning and QF comes in just afternoon. The two airlines miss each other entirely, though I suppose that EK pax could connect to QF if they really wanted to sit around for ten or eleven hours. DXB-DFW-SYD sounds horrifyingly long.

I think I'm missing the point of this whole discussion entirely: are you suggesting people fly DXB-DFW-SYD? Or SYD-DFW-DXB? Either one doesn't make much sense, you can just fly DXB-SYD instead of the former and SYD-DXB instead of the latter!

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-11-28 04:57:49 and read 2975 times.

Quoting blink182 (Reply 23):
Quoting unityofsaints (Reply 32):

I'm well aware of that and its definitely a stupid suggestion to take such a long hike when you can simply fly SYD-DXB or DXB-SYD... Unless the EK flight was a tag on flight DXB-LHR-DFW allowing QF passengers to connect onwards to LHR on EK metal...

EK413

Topic: RE: How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?
Username: blink182
Posted 2012-11-28 05:51:50 and read 2902 times.

Quoting unityofsaints (Reply 32):
I think I'm missing the point of this whole discussion entirely: are you suggesting people fly DXB-DFW-SYD? Or SYD-DFW-DXB?

Hardly. However, a user asked a question, and I thought I would answer it.  Smile

[Edited 2012-11-28 05:53:01]


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