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Topic: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-11-25 18:06:18 and read 6672 times.

Starting on January 22, 2013, LAN Airlines will launch a daily non-stop service between GIG and MIA utilizing the B-767-316ER. This is LAN's first non-stop service between a destination in Brazil and a destination in the U.S. and will operate alongside TAM's daily GIG-MIA service. Thus, LATAM will offer two daily non-stop flights between GIG and MIA!

LA792 GIG 01:10 MIA 07:00 B763 DAILY
LA793 MIA 22:21 GIG 10:01+1 B763 DAILY

TAM's schedule:
JJ8056 GIG 22:28 MIA 04:20+1 A332 DAILY
JJ8057 MIA 20:05 GIG 07:30+1 A332 DAILY

Source: GDS

[Edited 2012-11-25 18:38:05]

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2012-11-25 18:10:02 and read 6769 times.

Another wrench in AA's gears.

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2012-11-25 18:37:31 and read 6687 times.

SCL767, in fact the flight will be SCL-GIG-MIA

As we know, LA do not have the rights to do just a GIG-MIA flight

So:

LA792 SCL 1825 GIG 2335 0110 (+1) MIA 0700
LA793 MIA...GIG 1104 SCL 1509 B763

So far JJ MIA-GIG remains on GDS but i do expect it to be removed in favor of GIG-MAD.

SCL-GIG will become 4x daily for the first time.

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-11-25 18:38:42 and read 6690 times.

LAN will be using Fifth Freedom Rights to operate non-stop between GIG and MIA. LA792 will originate at SCL and LA793 will terminate at SCL. It's fantastic to have a daily B763 non-stop service between SCL and GIG!

SCL-GIG:
LA792 SCL 18:25 GIG 23:35 B763 DAILY
GIG-SCL:
LA793 GIG 11:04 SCL 15:09 B763 DAILY

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: Avianca
Posted 2012-11-25 18:44:15 and read 6658 times.

very interesting!

btw - will the aircraft stay all the day in MIA - or will the aicraft deployed to other markets like EZE, LIM, BOG, SCL?

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: RJ_Delta
Posted 2012-11-25 18:52:24 and read 6625 times.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):

btw - will the aircraft stay all the day in MIA - or will the aircraft deployed to other markets like EZE, LIM, BOG, SCL?

Probably the aircraft will deployed to other routes except with LA, LP, XL, except EZE.

For this moment, there is not an official announcement about this new route, so the itinerary could change in the next days.

Best Regards,

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: Avianca
Posted 2012-11-25 18:59:51 and read 6604 times.

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 5):
Probably the aircraft will deployed to other routes except with LA, LP, XL, except EZE.

would make perfect sense to uprgrade for example the BOG flights...

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-11-25 19:02:18 and read 6588 times.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
would make perfect sense to uprgrade for example the BOG flights...

CC-BDD is currently at BOG undergoing certification with the Aerocivil...

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-11-25 20:30:29 and read 6365 times.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
very interesting!

btw - will the aircraft stay all the day in MIA - or will the aicraft deployed to other markets like EZE, LIM, BOG, SCL?

This is LA/LP/XL current schedule into MIA, (doesn't include extra non-stop or direct flights from SCL for the high season):

LAN Airlines:
LA500 SCL 22:25 MIA 05:10+1 DAILY B763
LA501 MIA 20:25 SCL 06:50+1 DAILY B763

LA502 SCL 23:55 MIA 06:40+1 DAILY B763
LA503 MIA 21:30 SCL 07:55+1 DAILY B763

LA582 SCL 08:45 CUN 14:05-15:15 MIA 17:50 (Sa, Su) B763
LA583 MIA 09:25 CUN 09:15-10:15 SCL 20:15 (Sa, Su) B763
LA592 SCL 10:00 PUJ 17:00-18:10 MIA 19:45 (Sa, Su) B763
LA591 MIA 07:55 PUJ 10:20-11:10 SCL 18:50 (Sa, Su) B763

LA568 SCL 08:00 GYE 11:05-11:55 CCS 15:25-16:35 MIA 19:45 (Fr) B763
LA569 MIA 06:55 CCS 10:40-11:30 GYE 14:05-14:50 SCL 21:35 (Mo) B763
LA560 SCL 09:25 CCS 14:50-16:00 MIA 19:10 (Mo) B763
LA561 MIA 06:55 CCS 10:40-11:30 SCL 19:40 (Fr) B763

LAN Ecuador:
XL516 UIO 00:05 MIA 04:10 DAILY B763
XL517 MIA 14:30 UIO 18:40 DAILY B763

LAN Perú:
LA2514 LIM 00:40 MIA 06:25 DAILY B763
LA2515 MIA 17:40 LIM 23:20 DAILY B763
LA2510 LIM 12:45 MIA 18:30 DAILY B763
LA2511 MIA 23:55 LIM 05:35+1 DAILY B763
LA2512 LIM 13:40 MIA 19:25 (Mo, Fr, Su) B763
LA2519 MIA 23:20 LIM 05:00+1 (Mo, Fr, Su) B763

Source: LAN.com

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-11-25 22:57:59 and read 6140 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
LA792 SCL 1825 GIG 2335 0110 (+1) MIA 0700
LA793 MIA...GIG 1104 SCL 1509 B763

LA792 is already loaded on TAM's website as JJ8216 and LA793 is loaded as JJ8217.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
So far JJ MIA-GIG remains on GDS but i do expect it to be removed in favor of GIG-MAD.

It has been mentioned several times that LATAM is interested in launching GIG-MAD and LATAM is currently focused on building up the GIG hub. We will just have to wait for the application to be filed with the ANAC. LAN also plans on launching BOG-MAD next year; thus LATAM will eventually operate flights into MAD from BOG, FRA, GIG, GRU, GYE, LIM, and SCL. The competition with IB will only increase next year...

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-11-25 23:32:32 and read 6083 times.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1):

Another wrench in AA's gears.


LAN and AA have ATI. No wrench here.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
So far JJ MIA-GIG remains on GDS but i do expect it to be removed in favor of GIG-MAD.

Then JJ would have applied for MADGIG when LA applied for MIAGIG. But it didn't.

The time differences between the two indicate this is complimentary, not supplementary.

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-11-26 00:03:03 and read 6036 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 10):

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1):

Another wrench in AA's gears.


LAN and AA have ATI. No wrench here.

With LA's new GIG-MIA service and another frequency from LIM being added, LAN will soon operate 67 weekly flights into MIA on a year-round basis which is a record for LAN at MIA. Thus, LATAM will operate 102 weekly flights into MIA which would make it the largest foreign operator at MIA.

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2012-11-26 01:43:52 and read 5912 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 10):
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1):

Another wrench in AA's gears.


LAN and AA have ATI. No wrench here.

Are they sharing revenue and costs(ala a DL/AF JV), or does LAN have their hand in AA's pocket?

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-11-26 02:15:42 and read 5865 times.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 12):

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 10):
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1):

Another wrench in AA's gears.


LAN and AA have ATI. No wrench here.

Are they sharing revenue and costs(ala a DL/AF JV), or does LAN have their hand in AA's pocket?

No it is not a JV. American Airlines has ATI with LAN Airlines and LAN Perú which means that they can legally coordinate fares and schedules together.

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: Dellatorre
Posted 2012-11-26 02:57:05 and read 5782 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
No it is not a JV. American Airlines has ATI with LAN Airlines and LAN Perú which means that they can legally coordinate fares and schedules together.

Does it include flights from Brazil to USA or is it limited to Chile & Peru?

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: delimit
Posted 2012-11-26 03:04:40 and read 5766 times.

Until there is true open skies between the US and Brazil can JV even happen? I know it's. Coming, but until then is DOT going to allow LATAM and AA a full JV?

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-11-26 03:17:59 and read 5738 times.

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 14):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
No it is not a JV. American Airlines has ATI with LAN Airlines and LAN Perú which means that they can legally coordinate fares and schedules together.

Does it include flights from Brazil to USA or is it limited to Chile & Peru?

It includes all flights operated by LAN Airlines between Chile and the U.S. and all flights operated by LAN Perú between Perú and the U.S. Next year, Colombia and the U.S. will have full Open Skies which makes it logical that LAN Colombia and American Airlines may seek ATI once LAN Colombia becomes a oneworld affiliate carrier.

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: ETinCaribe
Posted 2012-11-26 06:51:43 and read 5518 times.

Just curious, why is it not a TAM flight GIG-MIA? I gather the routing is actually SCL-GIG-MIA but there are other nonstop flights already from SCL to MIA.

And I may be reading some of this wrong but how are feelings on both sides about the new tent they have to live under? LA seems to be the dominant operator (the acquirer if you will, though it is a subsidiary of LATAM like JJ is, correct??) and so how is that perceived by JJ and their staff?

M&A is anything but straightforward esp with equal size parties getting together.

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: AF086
Posted 2012-11-26 07:32:49 and read 5450 times.

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 17):
Just curious, why is it not a TAM flight GIG-MIA? I gather the routing is actually SCL-GIG-MIA but there are other nonstop flights already from SCL to MIA.

TAM's fleet is maxed out so, in order to expand their GIG-MIA services they needed LAN. In order to fit Brazilian regulations, the flight must originate at SCL. It was convenient for LAN as well since the flight had, as a sideeffect, a new SCL-GIG service offering a new connection between the two cities.

Hopefull LA/LP will add a new LIM-GIG service. That's a missing gap at LATAM's SouthAm network. TA/AV is collecting very good results on the route.

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-11-26 07:47:12 and read 5410 times.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 18):
It was convenient for LAN as well since the flight had, as a sideeffect, a new SCL-GIG service offering a new connection between the two cities.

TAM just launched GIG-SCL daily with the A-320. Thus SCL now has three daily non-stop flights to GIG.

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: AF086
Posted 2012-11-26 08:14:35 and read 5350 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
TAM just launched GIG-SCL daily with the A-320. Thus SCL now has three daily non-stop flights to GIG.

I know that. I didn't say TAM, I was talking about LAN. Also LA792/3 will be the sole GIG-SCL service with true business class service.

[Edited 2012-11-26 08:23:22]

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: incitatus
Posted 2012-11-26 08:23:11 and read 5326 times.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 18):
TAM's fleet is maxed out so, in order to expand their GIG-MIA services they needed LAN.

Is it really maxed out? Didn't TAM just get four 773s? Isn't there more 773s on the way?

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: AF086
Posted 2012-11-26 08:27:01 and read 5308 times.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 21):
Is it really maxed out? Didn't TAM just get four 773s? Isn't there more 773s on the way?

TAM is expected to return their older 332s soon due to the expiration of the leasing contracts. If JJ renews these contracts (Those are just rumours. TAM's fleet plan still shows the departure of these older 332) they are expected to boost nondaily longhaul frequencies from GIG such as JFK, FRA and LHR.

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: C010T3
Posted 2012-11-26 08:29:28 and read 5296 times.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 21):
Is it really maxed out? Didn't TAM just get four 773s? Isn't there more 773s on the way?

Of course it is. 4 77W were received, but 3 763 will be phased out. Daily GIG-MCO was launched with the spare aircraft.

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-11-26 09:46:22 and read 4837 times.

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 14):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
No it is not a JV. American Airlines has ATI with LAN Airlines and LAN Perú which means that they can legally coordinate fares and schedules together.

Does it include flights from Brazil to USA or is it limited to Chile & Peru?

It includes flights from Brazil to the extent they operate as a fifth-freedom. Since this new route is in actuality a SCL-MIA flight with a stop in GIG, in is included. If LAN opened a LAN Brazil (which is essentially what TAM is) and it operated by LAN Brazil GIG-MIA - or even GIG-SCL-MIA - it is not included.

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: incitatus
Posted 2012-11-26 09:59:00 and read 4865 times.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 23):
Of course it is. 4 77W were received, but 3 763 will be phased out. Daily GIG-MCO was launched with the spare aircraft.

Aren't there two more 773s coming in 2013?

Possibly SCL-GIG-MIA is really only the new owner of TAM trying its own product in the Brazil-US market to see how it works.

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: C010T3
Posted 2012-11-26 10:22:35 and read 4692 times.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 25):
Aren't there two more 773s coming in 2013?

Yes, but only in the third quarter.

Topic: RE: LAN Airlines To Launch GIG-MIA
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-11-26 21:00:37 and read 2914 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):


LA792 SCL 1825 GIG 2335 0110 (+1) MIA 0700
LA793 MIA...GIG 1104 SCL 1509 B763

Reservations have opened for both LA792/JJ8216 and LA793/JJ8217! Great news for SCL and GIG pax!


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