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Topic: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2012-11-22 08:17:24 and read 5210 times.

Manx2 will receive a new name and brand following its management buyout that changes its ownership. Noel Hayes, Manx2's chairman, will remain such, likewise schedules and routes. Manx2 is set to disappear on the 1st January.

Interesting development!

Sources:

http://www.manx2blog.com/2012/11/management-buy-out-at-manx2-com/

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...ut-at-manx2-to-rebrand-as-citywing

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-20433164

[Edited 2012-11-22 08:31:14]

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2012-11-22 08:19:55 and read 5209 times.

Interesting news, I wonder if this new non geographical name is a precursor to expansion beyond the Manx market.


Dan  

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: Birdwatching
Posted 2012-11-22 08:22:42 and read 5186 times.

I always thought the name Manx2 was kind of odd, it sounds like when I create a new file or folder on the computer but it's already taken so a 2 is added.

Soren   

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2012-11-22 08:29:46 and read 5160 times.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 2):
always thought the name Manx2 was kind of odd,

Among other things, Manx is another name for (or means) the IOM. And the 2 presumably referred to transport, i.e. travelling from the IOM to... hence Manx2. Who knows? Perhaps it also meant 'I'm travelling to the IOM too'.  Silly

[Edited 2012-11-22 08:30:38]

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2012-11-22 08:34:08 and read 5141 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
Among other things, Manx is another name for (or means) the IOM. And the 2 presumably referred to transport, i.e. travelling from the IOM to... hence Manx2. Otherwise it might be a bit odd.

I have to wonder if they copied Jet2, or if it was just a coincidence. It doesn't work the same way mind, as Jet2 uses the Jet as an adjective... unless I'm missing something about Manx!


Dan  

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2012-11-22 08:38:02 and read 5120 times.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 4):
I have to wonder if they copied Jet2, or if it was just a coincidence. It doesn't work the same way mind, as Jet2 uses the Jet as an adjective... unless I'm missing something about Manx!

I was going to edit my last post to mention Jet2, then I saw your reply. Darn you, Mr Compost Heap.  

Manx2 is obviously less clear than Jet2, unless everyone everyone knows Manx and IOM basically mean the same. Still, no doubt their likely customers knew.

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2012-11-22 08:40:40 and read 5103 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 5):
Darn you, Mr Compost Heap.

Fool  

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: Lofty
Posted 2012-11-22 08:43:45 and read 5093 times.

I thought it was beacuse it was the 2nd airline to be called Manx

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: LN-KGL
Posted 2012-11-22 08:51:40 and read 5059 times.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 2):
I always thought the name Manx2 was kind of odd, it sounds like when I create a new file or folder on the computer but it's already taken so a 2 is added.

The name was maybe chosen to distinguish themselves from the former carriers Manx Airlines and EuroManx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx_Airlines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroManx

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: clydenairways
Posted 2012-11-22 09:28:40 and read 4918 times.

What are the chances of them actually getting an AOC this time and being a real airline rather than just a website?

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2012-11-22 09:53:31 and read 4867 times.

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 9):
What are the chances of them actually getting an AOC this time and being a real airline rather than just a website?

Who cares? Nothing illegal. If it deems that the best - and it presumably must given that is what it does - what's the issue?

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: RedSnapper
Posted 2012-11-22 13:38:50 and read 4548 times.

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 9):
Quoting clydenairways (Reply 9):
What are the chances of them actually getting an AOC this time and being a real airline rather than just a website?

Didn't easyJet operate this business model on satrt-up for a while, using Air Foyle's AOC............what's the issue?

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: bennett123
Posted 2012-11-22 15:04:02 and read 4401 times.

Pe@rson

Problem was that folk thought that they were flying with Manx2, (the clear impression at Gloucester Airport) but when they lost a plane at Cork some time ago, it was suddenly a case of "sloping shoulders".

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2012-11-23 01:30:42 and read 3686 times.

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 12):

Problem was that folk thought that they were flying with Manx2, (the clear impression at Gloucester Airport) but when they lost a plane at Cork some time ago, it was suddenly a case of "sloping shoulders".

I see what you're saying but that doesn't mean they should not continue with utilising other carriers' AOCs.

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: asuflyer
Posted 2012-11-23 04:28:57 and read 3328 times.

Surprised that their new proposed logo is an near copy of the Tame Ecuador logo.


Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: sandyb123
Posted 2012-11-23 04:57:40 and read 3278 times.

Quoting asuflyer (Reply 14):
Surprised that their new proposed logo is an near copy of the Tame Ecuador logo.

That seems to be very close. Shape, placement and colour graduation are to similar. But the big problem is it's the same industry. Speaking from experience they may well be forced to change that.

A similar issue with JAL was talked about at Czech Trucking Company Using Japan Airlines Logo? (by Birdwatching Nov 21 2012 in Civil Aviation) recently but the 'copy logo' was on a Czech trucking company, which creates some margin as it's not an airline, albeit still transport.

Think Manx2 needs to go back to their designers and not use ⌘C, ⌘V  .

Sandyb123

[Edited 2012-11-23 04:58:50]

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: clydenairways
Posted 2012-11-23 05:41:44 and read 3148 times.

Quoting RedSnapper (Reply 11):

Didn't easyJet operate this business model on satrt-up for a while, using Air Foyle's AOC............what's the issue?

That was just a temporary arrangement.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 13):

I see what you're saying but that doesn't mean they should not continue with utilising other carriers' AOCs.

When an airline leases in another carrier, under regulations they have an obligation to maintain a level of safety oversight over the leased in operation.
If you don't have an AOC you are not really an Airline so you don't have any regulatory obligations to meet.

When Virgin Atlantic leases in this Latvian Operator to operate the A320's for them, they will be required under the terms of Virgins own AOC to have a level of oversight over the Latvian Operator operating their routes.

There is a loophole here and my own opinion is that no Airline should be able to operate without an AOC on a permanent basis.

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2012-11-23 06:14:21 and read 3076 times.

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 16):
When an airline leases in another carrier, under regulations they have an obligation to maintain a level of safety oversight over the leased in operation.

And you know Manx2 hasn't this based upon what? I am not disagreeing or agreeing. I would just like to read your source.

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: Giancavia
Posted 2012-11-23 06:42:42 and read 3013 times.

If they want a sweet money making route with their size of aircraft they should hop on the Waterford-Luton route and show Arann what they messed up by dilluting it with Southend.

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: viscount630
Posted 2012-11-23 06:48:33 and read 2994 times.

Quoting Lofty (Reply 7):
I thought it was beacuse it was the 2nd airline to be called Manx

It's actually about the 3rd or 4th, going way back to pre-war years.  

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: clydenairways
Posted 2012-11-23 06:53:55 and read 2986 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 17):
And you know Manx2 hasn't this based upon what? I am not disagreeing or agreeing. I would just like to read your source.

Because they dont need the org structure that an Airline would have with Chief Pilot, Training and Maintainence Postholders with the necessary qualifications to perform such oversight.

Anyway just to clarify, i'm not saying they are doing anything illegal. My opinion would be that the CAA should make them get their own AOC .

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2012-11-23 07:11:32 and read 2941 times.

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 20):
Because they dont need the org structure that an Airline would have with Chief Pilot, Training and Maintainence Postholders with the necessary qualifications to perform such oversight.

Anyway just to clarify, i'm not saying they are doing anything illegal. My opinion would be that the CAA should make them get their own AOC .

I don't seek to be argumentative, but if it was an issue surely the CAA would be onto it?

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: sandyb123
Posted 2012-11-23 07:37:26 and read 2875 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 13):
I see what you're saying but that doesn't mean they should not continue with utilising other carriers' AOCs.

The CAA take a very dim view of this these days.

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 16):
There is a loophole here and my own opinion is that no Airline should be able to operate without an AOC on a permanent basis.

This issue here is that it's the AOC holder that carries the burden. If you allow someone else to fly on your AOC then anything they do on your 'ticket' is your liability. But it's the AOC holder that is in court when things go wrong.

The CAA take a very dim view of this. Particularly for small charter ops.

Sandyb123

Topic: RE: Manx2 To Be Renamed Citywing Following MBO
Username: RubberJungle
Posted 2012-11-28 13:45:51 and read 2383 times.

Citywing appears to have backtracked after being informed of the logo similarity:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-logo-after-tame-objection-379548/


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