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Topic: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: RAGAZZO777
Posted 2012-11-25 08:38:47 and read 9488 times.

TACA Perú, soon-to-be rebranded as Avianca, is officially introducing the Airbus A330-200 effective December 15, 2012.

The A332 will operate flights TA965/964 on the following schedule:

Lima - Buenos Aires
TA965 LIM21:58 - 04:33(+1)EZE 332 Daily
TA964 EZE06:29 - 09:14LIM 332 Daily

The other A330 route that has been internally confirmed is Lima-Bogotá-Lima.

Source: GDS

[Edited 2012-11-25 08:41:13]

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2012-11-25 08:48:30 and read 9490 times.

Oh wow, that is very nice! Congrats to AV/TA, LIM and EZE. That ought to give AV/TA a competitive advantage on the LIM-EZE route.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: Burkhard
Posted 2012-11-25 09:29:40 and read 9336 times.

But what is the rationale to use a long range aircraft on such a short hop that can be done on an A321 easily?

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2012-11-25 09:52:09 and read 9235 times.

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 2):
But what is the rationale to use a long range aircraft on such a short hop that can be done on an A321 easily?

Crew familiarization. The aircraft is intended to start flying long haul to europe once a second unit comes in february as AV gets a new pax delivery then. The aircraft will also be flying to MIa which is a 6 hour flight from LIM.

This is good news, congrats to everyone in LIM. Now as I said before let's hope this is the final push to give that hub some strength.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
That ought to give AV/TA a competitive advantage on the LIM-EZE route.

LIM-EZE might be staying as an A332 rotation, but BOG-LIM most probably won't.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2012-11-25 10:16:04 and read 9132 times.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 3):
The aircraft is intended to start flying long haul to europe once a second unit comes in february
Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 3):
The aircraft will also be flying to MIa which is a 6 hour flight from LIM.
Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 3):
LIM-EZE might be staying as an A332 rotation, but BOG-LIM most probably won't.

I think AV-TA will be able to successfully fly A332s on the LIM-MAD and LIM-MIA routes. I hope LIM-EZE stays as well. I agree that AV should go for several daily frequencies rather than large aircraft capacity on the LIM-BOG route.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: RAGAZZO777
Posted 2012-11-25 10:24:12 and read 9084 times.

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 2):
But what is the rationale to use a long range aircraft on such a short hop that can be done on an A321 easily?

The LIM-EZE route is a very busy one and LAN alone offers 3 daily flights on the Boeing 767, so TACA is starting to catch up with them.



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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 3):
This is good news, congrats to everyone in LIM. Now as I said before let's hope this is the final push to give that hub some strength.

As a matter of fact, TACA's international market share ex-LIM has greatly improved over the last few months. In January TACA carried 61,757 pax, while in September alone it carried 120,850 pax. For more info, check Peru's DGAC statistics.


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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 3):
LIM-EZE might be staying as an A332 rotation, but BOG-LIM most probably won't.

Agreed. If anything, LIM-BOG needs an extra daily frequency on the A32S.

[Edited 2012-11-25 10:26:50]

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-11-25 10:38:37 and read 9006 times.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 5):

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 3):
LIM-EZE might be staying as an A332 rotation, but BOG-LIM most probably won't.

Agreed. If anything, LIM-BOG needs an extra daily frequency on the A32S.

What about the SCL-LIM route which reduces to 7x weekly, the LIM-GRU route which reduces to 7x weekly, the LIM-CCS route which reduces to 11x weekly? Not to mention that the LIM-GYE route already reduced to 5x weekly and the LIM-HAV route already reduced to 4x weekly...

[Edited 2012-11-25 10:41:57]

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: Burkhard
Posted 2012-11-25 12:12:51 and read 8700 times.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 3):
Crew familiarization. The aircraft is intended to start flying long haul to europe once a second unit comes in february as AV gets a new pax delivery then. The aircraft will also be flying to MIa which is a 6 hour flight from LIM.

Thanks, that makes all sense. MIA and MAD daily are too much to have two aircraft busy all day, unless they turn around in 1 hour.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: Avianca
Posted 2012-11-25 15:47:38 and read 8303 times.

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 2):
But what is the rationale to use a long range aircraft on such a short hop that can be done on an A321 easily?

well its a 4.5h flight after all not so short. anyway as mentioned easily reachable on A321

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
I agree that AV should go for several daily frequencies rather than large aircraft capacity on the LIM-BOG route

well its already 4 daily.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 5):
Agreed. If anything, LIM-BOG needs an extra daily frequency on the A32S.

also AV has a very good cargo connectivity ex BOG - and LIM has a big bunch of export cargo.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
What about the SCL-LIM route which reduces to 7x weekly, the LIM-GRU route which reduces to 7x weekly, the LIM-CCS route which reduces to 11x weekly? Not to mention that the LIM-GYE route already reduced to 5x weekly and the LIM-HAV route already reduced to 4x weekly...

dont worry LAN will take over ....

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-11-25 16:12:57 and read 8244 times.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 8):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
What about the SCL-LIM route which reduces to 7x weekly, the LIM-GRU route which reduces to 7x weekly, the LIM-CCS route which reduces to 11x weekly? Not to mention that the LIM-GYE route already reduced to 5x weekly and the LIM-HAV route already reduced to 4x weekly...

dont worry LAN will take over ....

LAN took over LIM years ago.   As you know, many regional routes from LIM operate with B-767-316ERs with the 18C/220Y configuration. However, the SCL-LIM route is one of the fastest growing routes from SCL. TA used to operate it 2x daily; strange that TA was not successful in maintaining a twice daily service on the route. It's great that TA will increase capacity on the LIM-EZE route given AV-TA's limited presence at EZE and the fact that AV cannot add any more frequencies from BOG. However, once an airline starts to decrease flights at a hub, it's generally hard for them to reestablish what they once had in the future...

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: Avianca
Posted 2012-11-25 17:44:29 and read 8089 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
LAN took over LIM years ago.

oh I forgot, well in my opinion both LAN and TACA are doing a good job in Peru - no doubt!
Also I like more the TACA softproduct in ECO for domestic and regional flights, Hardproduct I would say they are the same level.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
As you know, many regional routes from LIM operate with B-767-316ERs with the 18C/220Y configuration. However, the SCL-LIM route is one of the fastest growing routes from SCL

yes - but for CCS as an example I like the more frequency that TA is offering than LA.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
TA used to operate it 2x daily; strange that TA was not successful in maintaining a twice daily service on the route.

well - I think quite easy - LA is the home carrier in Chile and very strong in the market - also some 1 stop flights via LIM to a third country hence higher frequency.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
However, once an airline starts to decrease flights at a hub, it's generally hard for them to reestablish what they once had in the future...

well - would say depends, nothing wrong to cut unrentable flights.

Cheers
Avianca

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2012-11-25 18:32:39 and read 8005 times.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 5):
As a matter of fact, TACA's international market share ex-LIM has greatly improved over the last few months. In January TACA carried 61,757 pax, while in September alone it carried 120,850 pax. For more info, check Peru's DGAC statistics.

That is true. But there are some frequency cuts on certain routes coming after december, so it would seem that they're not extracting enough yield on those stations. But with the rebranding, the nicer product offered by the A332s and the increased capacity i'm sure things will start getting interesting for the LIM hub.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 8):
also AV has a very good cargo connectivity ex BOG - and LIM has a big bunch of export cargo.

True.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
LAN took over LIM years ago.  

Why does it always have to be about LAN and how they're great at crushing the enemy (and the enemy is any sort of competition). With JJ's pathetic results and their clueless performance in the colombian market, one shouldn't be talking so vigorously.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
However, once an airline starts to decrease flights at a hub, it's generally hard for them to reestablish what they once had in the future...

Not necessarily. Flights come and go, economies weaken or get stronger and demand has it's ups and downs.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: RAGAZZO777
Posted 2012-11-25 23:41:12 and read 7756 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
What about the SCL-LIM route which reduces to 7x weekly, the LIM-GRU route which reduces to 7x weekly, the LIM-CCS route which reduces to 11x weekly? Not to mention that the LIM-GYE route already reduced to 5x weekly and the LIM-HAV route already reduced to 4x weekly...

Well, this is not the first time that TACA is playing with the number of its flight frequencies, so this shouldn't surprise us. Moreover, one should note that they're adding capacity now with the A330.


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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
TA used to operate it 2x daily

TACA never operated 2 daily flights on the LIM-SCL-LIM route. They used to offer up to 11 or 12 weekly flights on that route before signing a code-share agreement with Sky Airline. That said, I reckon TACA should offer at least 2 or 3 daily flights to SCL from LIM.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-11-26 00:32:16 and read 7665 times.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 10):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
TA used to operate it 2x daily; strange that TA was not successful in maintaining a twice daily service on the route.

well - I think quite easy - LA is the home carrier in Chile and very strong in the market - also some 1 stop flights via LIM to a third country hence higher frequency.

LAN operates two direct flights between SCL and the U.S. via LIM and will change that later next year for a specific reason. However, LAN will soon operate 7 dedicated non-stop flights between SCL and LIM; alongside the two daily direct flights between SCL and the U.S. via LIM.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 12):

Well, this is not the first time that TACA is playing with the number of its flight frequencies, so this shouldn't surprise us.

Dropping 12 weekly frequencies is quite noticeable. But understandable considering that BOG is their main hub.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 12):
Moreover, one should note that they're adding capacity now with the A330.

On two routes which is quite impressive. Hopefully TA will keep their word and launch LIM-LAX, LIM-JFK and LIM-MAD with the A330s, just like their officials at LIM stated in the press...

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 12):
TACA never operated 2 daily flights on the LIM-SCL-LIM route. They used to offer up to 11 or 12 weekly flights on that route before signing a code-share agreement with Sky Airline. That said, I reckon TACA should offer at least 2 or 3 daily flights to SCL from LIM.

Are you sure about this? Soon only LR will operate between LIM and SCL daily excluding the code-share with H2. TA has consistently lost market-share on the route. IMO they should deploy a widebody a/c on the LIM-SCL route if they want to be competitive with LA on the route. Same goes for the LIM-GRU route.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: jfk777
Posted 2012-11-26 04:46:03 and read 6820 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
On two routes which is quite impressive. Hopefully TA will keep their word and launch LIM-LAX, LIM-JFK and LIM-MAD with the A330s, just like their officials at LIM stated in the press...

With Lima becoming the only two airline hub in Latin America, is there a lage enough market for AV-TACA to replicate what LAN has ? A330's to Miami probably can work since that is such a large market, but do A330's to JFK, LAX and Madrid flood too much capacity on to the market ?

BOG will be the next two airline hub in Latin America, LAN will fly to Madrid from Colombia and Avianca will not like it. How far is AV prepared to go to defend its Colombian franchise.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-11-26 05:14:51 and read 6628 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
With Lima becoming the only two airline hub in Latin America, is there a lage enough market for AV-TACA to replicate what LAN has ? A330's to Miami probably can work since that is such a large market, but do A330's to JFK, LAX and Madrid flood too much capacity on to the market ?
TA's officials stated in the press that they were interested in flying to those destinations with the A330s. Do I think they will fly to LAX and JFK from LIM in the near-term, most likely not. MAD is a different story since IB has reduced frequency on the MAD-LIM route. TA would be the fourth carrier to operate LIM-MAD.



Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
BOG will be the next two airline hub in Latin America, LAN will fly to Madrid from Colombia and Avianca will not like it. How far is AV prepared to go to defend its Colombian franchise.
BOG and LIM are very different markets. Also, BOG is severely congested and slot controlled. Colombia does not have liberal air treaties with Brazil, Mexico, the E.U., etc. AV applies for frequencies in Colombia that they have no intention of using, which says something. Whereas Perú has liberal air treaties with many countries and LIM is not slot controlled; thus it provides a level playing field for both AV-TA and LAN. However, LAN has been building up the LIM hub since 1999.

[Edited 2012-11-26 05:16:42]

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: KaiTak747
Posted 2012-11-26 05:43:22 and read 6453 times.

Does anyone know where these 2 frames are coming from? I would image that they are not new builds?

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: summa767
Posted 2012-11-26 05:51:45 and read 6397 times.

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 16):
Does anyone know where these 2 frames are coming from? I would image that they are not new builds?

One of them is N279AV c/n 1279, which is less than a year old, transferred from Avianca in the last few weeks. This was possible when AV received its latest A330: c/n 1342

The other A330 would join TA in March or April when Avianca receives a brand new A330, and it can go straight to TA, or allow one of the ones currently in the fleet to be transferred.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: KaiTak747
Posted 2012-11-26 06:03:24 and read 6332 times.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 17):

Thanks for the info!

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2012-11-26 12:48:33 and read 5371 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
A330's to Miami probably can work since that is such a large market, but do A330's to JFK, LAX and Madrid flood too much capacity on to the market ?

Well, considering how the Peruvian economy has been growing and its medium term prospects are good, I think LIM-MIA, LIM-MAD and LIM-JFK can sustain AV/TA A332 service. With respect to LAX, I wonder whether there is enough demand to sustain a dedicated nonstop (versus a LIM-BOG-LAX routing). Peru is quite engaged in trade and has other growing ties with Pacific rim countries (including fast-growing Asian economies), so maybe service to LAX connecting to UA, CA, NH, OZ is not a bad idea at all.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: troest
Posted 2012-11-26 17:57:26 and read 5148 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
BOG will be the next two airline hub in Latin America, LAN will fly to Madrid from Colombia and Avianca will not like it. How far is AV prepared to go to defend its Colombian franchise.
BOG is a three airline hub with AV (TA), CM and LA. In addition, VIVA the only domestic (if i'm not mistaken) LCC in South America.

AV is well prepared. As soon as the B787s arrives we will most likely see new routes to Europe. In addition, TP is getting closer to join the Synergy Group, and this will become even more interesting. LAN Colombia plans to expand to Europe and USA from BOG, but let's hope on their European expansion not only concentrate on Spain.

[Edited 2012-11-26 18:07:25]

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-11-26 18:34:21 and read 5101 times.

Quoting troest (Reply 20):
AV is well prepared. As soon as the B787s arrives we will most likely see new routes to Europe.

LAN is eager to grow its routes from South America including Colombia and is looking forward to the implementation of Open Skies between Colombia and the U.S. next year. Why do you think LAN still has 8 B-767-316ERs on order with new B-767-316ERs coming onto property basically every month? Also, by the time AV begins to incorporate the 787s into its fleet, LAN will have 12 787s in its fleet! By the end of 2015, LAN will have 16 787s in its fleet. The 787 is already a regular visitor at the LIM hub.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: SJOtoLIR
Posted 2012-11-26 18:40:17 and read 5093 times.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Thread starter):
Lima - Buenos Aires
TA965 LIM21:58 - 04:33(+1)EZE 332 Daily
TA964 EZE06:29 - 09:14LIM 332 Daily


TA LIM-EZE is actually the stellar route on TACA PERU heading to deep South America.




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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 3):
The aircraft is intended to start flying long haul to europe once a second unit comes in february as AV gets a new pax delivery then.


I also think that TA LIM-EZE with 330 is only the first step for the utilization of that equipment.
I wouldn't speculate about intended new services with the 330, but we most likely see new routes using that plane more sooner than later.




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Quoting Avianca (Reply 8):
its a 4.5h flight after all not so short. anyway as mentioned easily reachable on A321


TA LIM-EZE has usually utilized the 321 in such route which was the best product on its own.

Regards.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: RAGAZZO777
Posted 2012-11-26 19:03:09 and read 5064 times.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 10):
in my opinion both LAN and TACA are doing a good job in Peru - no doubt!

Agreed. I'd say an excellent job.


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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
is there a lage enough market for AV-TACA to replicate what LAN has ? A330's to Miami probably can work since that is such a large market, but do A330's to JFK, LAX and Madrid flood too much capacity on to the market ?

There's definitely room for another carrier on the LIM-JFK/LAX/MAD routes. Not sure if TACA Perú will be able to fly to all those destinations with only 2 A330s, though. The LIM hub would need at least 4 A330s to accomplish that.


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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 19):
Well, considering how the Peruvian economy has been growing and its medium term prospects are good, I think LIM-MIA, LIM-MAD and LIM-JFK can sustain AV/TA A332 service. With respect to LAX, I wonder whether there is enough demand to sustain a dedicated nonstop (versus a LIM-BOG-LAX routing). Peru is quite engaged in trade and has other growing ties with Pacific rim countries (including fast-growing Asian economies), so maybe service to LAX connecting to UA, CA, NH, OZ is not a bad idea at all.

        

Regarding LAX, the LIM-LAX market is larger than the BOG-LAX one.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2012-11-26 20:07:15 and read 5009 times.

Quoting troest (Reply 20):
VIVA the only domestic (if i'm not mistaken) LCC in South America.

GOL, Azul...

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 19):
think LIM-MIA, LIM-MAD and LIM-JFK can sustain AV/TA A332 service.

Agree.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 19):
With respect to LAX, I wonder whether there is enough demand to sustain a dedicated nonstop (versus a LIM-BOG-LAX routing).

I think that they would re launch BOG-LAX before LIM-LAX, after all no one is flying it, while LIM has plenty of capacity to california.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 22):
I wouldn't speculate about intended new services with the 330, but we most likely see new routes using that plane more sooner than later.

Yes, i'm basing the info on what the directors have said. They intend to start flying to europe from LIM with the A330s.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 23):
Regarding LAX, the LIM-LAX market is larger than the BOG-LAX one.

Yes, but it also already has a stablished airline on it, with another one coming in a few months.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 23):
The LIM hub would need at least 4 A330s to accomplish that.

Remember that there is an extra batch of 6 pax A330s on order for the Synergy airlines, apart from the original order of 10 which is going for it's final delivery in february/march 2013. That and 15 788s plus 10 A359s. So there will be more widebodies coming to the LIM base, no doubt about that.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-11-26 20:31:10 and read 5059 times.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 12):
That said, I reckon TACA should offer at least 2 or 3 daily flights to SCL from LIM.

You will be happy to know that in February, LA will operate up to 10 daily non-stop flights between LIM and SCL (B763 4x daily, 787 daily, A320 5x daily) due to strong demand! Very impressive for LIM!

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2012-11-26 20:36:24 and read 5049 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 25):
You will be happy to know that in February, LA will operate up to 10 daily non-stop flights between LIM and SCL (B763 4x daily, 787 daily, A320 5x daily) due to strong demand! Very impressive for LIM!

What the hell does that even have to do with the thread topic?

I had a question, being that this A330 is one of the recent ones, did it come with the new leather interior or does it still have the blue fabric seats?

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-11-26 20:43:41 and read 5136 times.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 26):


Quoting SCL767 (Reply 25):
You will be happy to know that in February, LA will operate up to 10 daily non-stop flights between LIM and SCL (B763 4x daily, 787 daily, A320 5x daily) due to strong demand! Very impressive for LIM!

Just illustrating the fact that the SCL-LIM route continues to experience robust growth; yet TA continues to ignore that fact. It's really unfortunate that TA is not considering the route for widebody service and will decrease frequency on the route to 7x weekly during the high season.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: summa767
Posted 2012-11-26 21:08:38 and read 5099 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 27):
Just illustrating the fact that the SCL-LIM route continues to experience robust growth; yet TA continues to ignore that fact. It's really unfortunate that TA is not considering the route for widebody service and will decrease frequency on the route to 7x weekly during the high season

Stop being ridiculous. It's quite an achievement for TACA to start operating wide-body aircraft after so long, and especially at LIM for the first time ever.
*Of course* it cannot consider SCL as an A330 destination for it only has one of the type and the list of destinations where it's warranted before SCL is long.
You should be content that your beloved LAN rules that route. Look, TACA has no complexes, it will adjust capacity on its destinations as it deems fit. It is obviously not as large an airline as LAN, but it is an important one in providing some competition. It will grow steadily. It's A330s will arrive slowly. Synergy ordered 9 A330s, and there are the ones to be released when 787s arrive to AV But all in good time.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: CRFLY
Posted 2012-11-26 21:23:13 and read 5078 times.

Hmmm... If one the routes for the new A330s in MIA, then we can expect the plane to continue con the rotation to SAL and LAX and back again? I think I nice rotation will be EZE-LIM-MIA-SAL-LAX for one aircraft while the other one is flying the opposite directon LAX-SAL-MIA-LIM-EZE!

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2012-11-26 21:41:51 and read 5058 times.

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 29):
I think I nice rotation will be EZE-LIM-MIA-SAL-LAX for one aircraft

I frankly don't see the A330s going to the central american hubs yet, and certainly not flying such short flights which can be easily done with A32S. They're scarce and demand is higher in BOG and LIM, and they're intended for longer missions.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 27):
Just illustrating the fact that the SCL-LIM route continues to experience robust growth; yet TA continues to ignore that fact. It's really unfortunate that TA is not considering the route for widebody service and will decrease frequency on the route to 7x weekly during the high season.

So basically more TA bashing and LAN adoring while not actually talking about the thread's topic. It's become a staple of yours.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 28):
ook, TACA has no complexes, it will adjust capacity on its destinations as it deems fit. It is obviously not as large an airline as LAN, but it is an important one in providing some competition. It will grow steadily. It's A330s will arrive slowly.

Agree.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: troest
Posted 2012-11-27 03:51:57 and read 4911 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 21):
Why do you think LAN still has 8 B-767-316ERs on order with new B-767-316ERs coming onto property basically every month? Also, by the time AV begins to incorporate the 787s into its fleet, LAN will have 12 787s in its fleet!

The answer

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 24):
remember that there is an extra batch of 6 pax A330s on order for the Synergy airlines, apart from the original order of 10 which is going for it's final delivery in february/march 2013. That and 15 788s plus 10 A359s. So there will be more widebodies coming to the LIM base, no doubt about that.
Quoting summa767 (Reply 28):
Synergy ordered 9 A330s, and there are the ones to be released when 787s arrive to AV. But all in good time.

And let's stick to the topic of the A330 in LIM. And congratulations to LIM!

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: A388
Posted 2012-11-27 04:13:52 and read 4896 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 27):
Just illustrating the fact that the SCL-LIM route continues to experience robust growth; yet TA continues to ignore that fact. It's really unfortunate that TA is not considering the route for widebody service and will decrease frequency on the route to 7x weekly during the high season.

Yes typical SCL767 bashing. As was said already, AV/TA are gradually growing in LIM and they have their reasons for not using the A330 on the LIM-SCL route which is dominated by LAN because LAN is the national airline of Chile, nothing more. Besides this, as also mentioned, the Synergy Group has more A330's on order and they are in talks to take over TP who is the strongest European airline to Brazil. AV Brasil in my opinion is waiting on becoming much bigger in the coming years.

A388

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: CRFLY
Posted 2012-11-27 08:47:12 and read 4743 times.

I see on SABRE that the A330 will fly the LIM-EZE night flight some days of the week and the other days the flight is operated by an A320 (but no specific day pattern)... Any idea why is this? MX can be done during the day that the airplane stays in LIM, from 9am until 10pm until BOG starts...

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: SJOtoLIR
Posted 2012-11-27 18:45:26 and read 4514 times.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 30):
I frankly don't see the A330s going to the central american hubs yet


Perhaps TA SAL-LAX is the only viable segment for the 330.
TACA usually operates 3x daily flights with 320 equipment in such route.

Regards.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2012-11-27 20:28:57 and read 4448 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
Dropping 12 weekly frequencies is quite noticeable. But understandable considering that BOG is their main hub.

Sorry, I had not seen this.

You know how many weekly frequencies LAN has cut since they entered Colombia?

From BOG:

MZL 14
AXM 14
NVA 14
IBE 14
EYP 7
PPN 7
FLA 14
JFK 4

All of AIRES' former FLL-CTG/MDE/CLO/BAQ flights, which could amount to up to 21 weekly frequencies. Many others at EOH, CUC-BGA, BGA-AUC...need I go on?

Yes, that's right, over 100 weekly frequencies badly counted, and I think i'm leaving some other destination that was cut. But you make a fuss about 12 weekly frequencies? Cuts come and go, they are make to make the airline money, and to adjust markets, and they're always worrying, of course. TA's LIM hub is not doing stellar, but neither is it going the MEM way for DL. Let's keep some geometry. You can't slam a company for cutting/temporarily suspending (it's not a confirmed year-round cut) 12 weekly flights. They have added frequencies to Colombia too you know, also on the domestic side.

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 33):
I see on SABRE that the A330 will fly the LIM-EZE night flight some days of the week and the other days the flight is operated by an A320 (but no specific day pattern)

I have no idea, maybe some kind of procedure for crew familiarizing requires the aircraft to operate lower cycles? It would seem unlikely. Maybe it could be they haven't uploaded the entire schedule to the GDS?

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: 777jaah
Posted 2012-11-28 11:53:13 and read 4243 times.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 35):
ou can't slam a company for cutting/temporarily suspending (it's not a confirmed year-round cut) 12 weekly flights. They have added frequencies to Colombia too you know, also on the domestic side.

I can't believe you still fall for his trolling tactics. Trust, he's not just an aviation fan rooting for LA, he has deeper corporate feelings about it.

Getting back to the topic, the 330 at LIM will be a very good adittion to AV/TA routes, specially considering that the Colombia-Argentina bilateral is maxed out, AV will have a bigger plane to move more colombian traffic to EZE than what they already do.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: Arcano
Posted 2012-11-28 18:51:19 and read 4075 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
trange that TA was not successful in maintaining a twice daily service on the route.

I suspect LAN... never accepted much competition.
Well, anyway TA schedules weren't that appealing, neither was the Embraer, not really good competition. The same with Antofagasta, they weren't able to handle the route, even when northern Chile is so underconnected to the rest of the world...

That said, I love to see any airline growing at the cost of LAN, they're just becoming too big, too monopoly. When we'll get Avianca Chile or Copa Chile? Come on guys, please, we have open skies down here!!!

Regards

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-11-29 11:15:03 and read 3830 times.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 34):
Perhaps TA SAL-LAX is the only viable segment for the 330.
TACA usually operates 3x daily flights with 320 equipment in such route.

MIAMGA is the largest local market TACA flies - and that includes intra-Central America flights.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: Tdan
Posted 2012-11-29 12:24:06 and read 3756 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 38):
MIAMGA is the largest local market TACA flies - and that includes intra-Central America flights.

Hasn't MGA been surpassed by SJO in terms of MIA-Central America market sizes? I realize it's technically LR that operates MIA-SJO, but MGA has been relatively flat over the last decade, similar to PAP, NAS and KIN. SJO, on the other hand has been growing significantly like LIM, BOG and CCS out of MIA.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-11-29 12:33:28 and read 3740 times.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 39):
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 38):
MIAMGA is the largest local market TACA flies - and that includes intra-Central America flights.

Hasn't MGA been surpassed by SJO in terms of MIA-Central America market sizes? I realize it's technically LR that operates MIA-SJO, but MGA has been relatively flat over the last decade, similar to PAP, NAS and KIN. SJO, on the other hand has been growing significantly like LIM, BOG and CCS out of MIA.

Yes, sorry, I forgot about LACSA flying MIASJO.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: SJOtoLIR
Posted 2012-11-29 20:07:42 and read 3587 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 40):
I forgot about LACSA flying MIASJO.


Perhaps MIA-SJO is the largest Central America-US market, in terms of the demand of passengers.
However, LACSA doesn't care about it as they're flying one only flight a day whereas AA MIA-SJO is served as 4x daily at this time.
I'm not sure if the 330 is the suitable plane for TA/LR SJO-MIA 7x weekly which is currently operated by the 100-seater E90.

Regards.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: RAGAZZO777
Posted 2012-12-08 09:21:41 and read 3177 times.

TACA has just updated its schedules and now TACA's first A330 will also operate on the Lima-Bogotá-Lima route:

Lima-Bogotá
TA132 LIM11:05 - 14:30BOG 332 Daily

Bogotá-Lima
TA133 BOG17:44 - 20:40LIM 332 Daily

Source: GDS

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: RAGAZZO777
Posted 2012-12-08 09:43:36 and read 3132 times.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 26):
I had a question, being that this A330 is one of the recent ones, did it come with the new leather interior or does it still have the blue fabric seats?

Maybe this will answer your question:

TACA A330 Business Class

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: airbazar
Posted 2012-12-08 10:15:29 and read 3080 times.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 24):

Remember that there is an extra batch of 6 pax A330s on order for the Synergy airlines, apart from the original order of 10 which is going for it's final delivery in february/march 2013. That and 15 788s plus 10 A359s. So there will be more widebodies coming to the LIM base, no doubt about that.

And their offer for TP is accepted in about a week, Synergy will have 12 more A359s ordered by TAP.

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-12-08 10:17:24 and read 3077 times.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 37):
That said, I love to see any airline growing at the cost of LAN, they're just becoming too big, too monopoly. When we'll get Avianca Chile or Copa Chile? Come on guys, please, we have open skies down here!!!

Why would CM be interested in setting up an airline in Chile? Remember CM bought P5 so to get Colombian frequencies to PTY. Integrating Colombian domestic operations and in a minor scale regional P2P international routes to CM PTY hub model IMHO is still messy experience.
If Chile allows CM unlimited frequencies between PTY and SCL and 5th freedom for airports beyond SCL or in between PTY and SCL (provided the other governments do too) there's no point for CM to open CM Chile.
But given your desire, Is Sky Airline for sale? Would becoming part of AV (most likely) or CM be of interest for Sky owners?

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 30):
I frankly don't see the A330s going to the central American hubs yet, and certainly not flying such short flights which can be easily done with A32S. They're scarce and demand is higher in BOG and LIM, and they're intended for longer missions.

Yet is the key-word here.
When AV takes care of BOG-EZE-LIM w/A330, LIM-MIA-SAL-LAX could be a very good way to use an A330.
Yes, short flights (in that specific case SAL-MIA-SAL) could be flown with A320 family aircraft but LAX-SAL-LAX and MIA-LIM-MIA traffic could well use a major seat increase, moreover, since SAL is a hub, any route's seat increase even in the MIA route, is gladly welcomed,

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: troest
Posted 2012-12-08 14:00:05 and read 2924 times.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 42):
TACA has just updated its schedules and now TACA's first A330 will also operate on the Lima-Bogotá-Lima route:

Lima-Bogotá
TA132 LIM11:05 - 14:30BOG 332 Daily
Bogotá-Lima
TA133 BOG17:44 - 20:40LIM 332 Daily

This is great news. I can see it will be effective 15DEC12. Same day as the A332 LIM-EZE service

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Thread starter):
The A332 will operate flights TA965/964 on the following schedule:

Lima - Buenos Aires
TA965 LIM21:58 - 04:33(+1)EZE 332 Daily
TA964 EZE06:29 - 09:14LIM 332 Daily

I can see that the first TA A332 will do BOG-LIM-EZE-LIM-BOG daily.

[Edited 2012-12-08 14:29:53]

Topic: RE: Taca Perú Introducing The A330 In December
Username: RAGAZZO777
Posted 2012-12-08 23:50:48 and read 2680 times.

Quoting troest (Reply 46):
This is great news. I can see it will be effective 15DEC12. Same day as the A332 LIM-EZE service
Quoting troest (Reply 46):
I can see that the first TA A332 will do BOG-LIM-EZE-LIM-BOG daily.

Thanks for your remark. I'd completely forgotten to mention the start date of that new operation.

Regards,


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