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Topic: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: iowaman
Posted 2012-11-29 15:48:33 and read 7653 times.

LAS hasn't gotten much attention lately, but it has long been a star of the Southwest network. It has been a top ten station for many years (and at the top until fairly recently) and was launched 1/31/82 with five daily flights (SAN and PHX also became WN cities the same day). The longest flight in the route network is also out of Vegas to Providence, although that appears to be gone this summer. There was an interesting article on Monday in Vegas Inc. some of you may enjoy:

Southwest steadily has grown capacity to and from McCarran during the past year by increasing the number of seats on its planes while reducing the number of flights to the market. In October 2011, Southwest offered 1,497 flights a week; now, it offers 1,483. It flies 212,185 seats into the market each week, compared with 204,094 a year ago.

Southwest is able to increase capacity with fewer flights because it is retrofitting its cabins with new seats

...

Southwest indicated it plans to use the larger jets on long-haul routes through Las Vegas.

Full article: http://www.vegasinc.com/news/2012/nov/26/southwest-goes-tropical/

I have noticed 738's on a lot of the longer routes such as FLL, PIT, TPA, and MCO. MDW and DEN also seem to see LAS rotations on the -800's.

Here's a run down of next summers schedule out of LAS on weekdays. Quite a few 1x daily to east coast destinations:

1x ALB
6x ABQ
1x AMA
2x ATL
3x AUS
4x BWI
1x BHM
2x BOI
2x BUF
11x BUR (wow)
9x MDW
1x CLE (seasonal)
2x CMH
9x DEN
1x DTW
3x ELP
1x FLL
1x BDL
5x HOU
3x IND
1x JAX
4x MCI
1x LIT
12x LAX (wow)
1x SDF
1x LBB
1x MHT
2x MAF (was 1x for years)
4x MKE
3x BNA
2x MSY
9x OAK
2x OKC
3x OMA
6x SNA (the highest ever)
2x MCO
1x PHL (was 2x for years)
12x PHX (I remember when this was 19x)
2x PIT
4x PDX
1x RDU
11x RNO
8x SMF
4x STL
6x SLC
4x SAT
12x SAN
7x SFO
9x SJC
5x SEA
2x GEG
2x TPA
4x TUS
1x TUL
1x ICT

Total of 225 depatures, if I listed and counted correctly.

[Edited 2012-11-29 15:52:17]

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: IMissPiedmont
Posted 2012-11-29 17:20:07 and read 7398 times.

I had the misfortune of riding in several of the WN -700s this week with the 143 seat configuration. I think they should not brag about them.

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: n471wn
Posted 2012-11-29 17:26:37 and read 7370 times.

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 1):
I had the misfortune of riding in several of the WN -700s this week with the 143 seat configuration. I think they should not brag about them.

Agree that the new seating is a major mistake by SWA---as a 40 year customer I am apalled. It is not the leg room that is the problem---that is less but if you take our the magazines in the seat in front of you it is ok. The problem is the seats are uncomfortable and too narrow---it is as if they made the aisles bigger at the expense of the passengers. I can only say that SWA did not think this one through and it grieves me to say that as SWA has long been my favorite airline.

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-11-29 17:32:57 and read 7338 times.

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
Southwest steadily has grown capacity to and from McCarran during the past year by increasing the number of seats on its planes while reducing the number of flights to the market. In October 2011, Southwest offered 1,497 flights a week; now, it offers 1,483

I believe over a longer time frame the WN capacity in LAS is actually down quite a bit, between the economy and rising fares.

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: airliner371
Posted 2012-11-29 17:33:26 and read 7337 times.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 2):
it is as if they made the aisles bigger at the expense of the passengers

But did they? I have flown on it and while I know there is a difference in legroom but is there a difference in width? I feel more comfortable and I am not a short man.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 2):
The problem is the seats are uncomfortable and too narrow

Its not even that they are doing less then competition, they are just going to standard. People are complaining about these seats, I find them more comfortable, It depends on the person. One very noticeable thing in general is SWA passengers do not like change, for the better or worse.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
I believe over a longer time frame the WN capacity in LAS is actually down quite a bit, between the economy and rising fares.

Just another comment for an anti-WN poster. Nope, its actually at the highest in years.
http://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?pn=1

[Edited 2012-11-29 17:37:02]

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: n471wn
Posted 2012-11-29 17:35:58 and read 7317 times.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 4):
But did they? I have flown on it and while I know there is a difference in legroom, I never notice it

Again I said that leg room is not the problem here---it is the damn seats!!

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: airliner371
Posted 2012-11-29 17:37:52 and read 7307 times.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 5):
Again I said that leg room is not the problem here---it is the damn seats!!

Poor wording on my part, you say....

Quote:
and too narrow---it is as if they made the aisles bigger at the expense of the passengers.

Did they in fact make the seats narrower, if so I have not noticed it.

[Edited 2012-11-29 17:39:08]

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-11-29 17:49:37 and read 7242 times.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 4):
Just another comment for an anti-WN poster. Nope, its actually at the highest in years.

Oh brother, I have nothing against WN, but you obviously have trouble handling data and taking it personally. This shows WN passengers at LAS are at 16MM, same as 2007, when they ran about a 10 point lower systemwide LF, which would lead me to believe there was a lot more capacity in LAS in 2007. Also because I saw the OAG stats the other day and they are a bit down . It's not a bad thing--they're transporting the same or more pax more efficiently.

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: jporterfi
Posted 2012-11-29 18:00:17 and read 7205 times.

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
11x BUR (wow)
Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
12x LAX (wow)
Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
12x SAN

Daaaaaang, WN has a lot of flights to SoCal from LAS! Especially surprising on the LAS-LAX routes considering OO (operating for UA and DL), UA, AA, and NK are all competition on that route.

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
11x RNO

To me, it seems odd that RNO would support this much service.

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-11-29 18:24:39 and read 7120 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
This shows WN passengers at LAS are at 16MM, same as 2007, when they ran about a 10 point lower systemwide LF, which would lead me to believe there was a lot more capacity in LAS in 2007.

Correct on the first two points, but I wonder whether LAS has a higher l/f than the system. It would not surprise me to learn that it does, but I don't know for sure one way or the other.

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: san747
Posted 2012-11-29 21:36:34 and read 6746 times.

I don't believe I saw ONT listed on there. There is still 6x daily ONT-LAS service on WN.

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: Beardown91737
Posted 2012-11-30 00:20:54 and read 6587 times.

Quoting san747 (Reply 10):
There is still 6x daily ONT-LAS service on WN.

Thanks I was going to have to check that. I frequently connect in LAS on ONT-MDW trips.

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: OzarkD9S
Posted 2012-11-30 03:47:23 and read 6425 times.

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 8):


To me, it seems odd that RNO would support this much service.

Plenty of connections beyond LAS, and state government travel to Carson City help out quite a bit.

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: WNcrew
Posted 2012-11-30 05:02:41 and read 6358 times.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 2):
The problem is the seats are uncomfortable and too narrow---it is as if they made the aisles bigger at the expense of the passengers.

Sorry you find the seats uncomfortable but they are, in fact, not any narrower than the previous versions. They are actually the same exact seat frames with different cushioning and seat covers, the actual dimensions are no different than they were previously.

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: iowaman
Posted 2012-11-30 09:49:11 and read 5316 times.

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 8):
Daaaaaang, WN has a lot of flights to SoCal from LAS! Especially surprising on the LAS-LAX routes considering OO (operating for UA and DL), UA, AA, and NK are all competition on that route.
Quoting san747 (Reply 10):
I don't believe I saw ONT listed on there. There is still 6x daily ONT-LAS service on WN.
Quoting Beardown91737 (Reply 11):
Thanks I was going to have to check that. I frequently connect in LAS on ONT-MDW trips.

My apologies on missing ONT - I remember reading it but for some reason I didn't get it typed out with the rest of the list. With LAX, SNA, ONT, and BUR that comes out to 36x just to the L.A. basin. Another 12x to SAN, 8x SMF, and a total of 25x to SJC/SFO/BUR comes out to 81 daily flights between California and Vegas on Southwest alone.  Wow!

Also worth noting: LAX 8x DL (mix of mainline/connection), 5x AA (all mainline), 5x UA (1x mainline 4x connection), 2x NK, 4x B6 LGB-LAS, and 1x SNA-LAS on FL. This brings LAS to the L.A. basin to 61 daily, mostly on mainline.

With the following added in, LAS - California comes out to be 137 daily flights (give or take slightly based on G4 only serving some cities less than weekly):

FAT 4x OO 4x weekly G4
PSP 3x OO
MTY 3x weekly G4
SMX 4x weekly G4
SCK 13x weekly G4
SAN 2x NK
OAK 2x NK
SFO 7x VX, 10x UA (almost all mainline)
MCE 1x Great Lakes

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: n471wn
Posted 2012-11-30 10:19:25 and read 5098 times.

Quoting WNcrew (Reply 13):
Sorry you find the seats uncomfortable but they are, in fact, not any narrower than the previous versions. They are actually the same exact seat frames with different cushioning and seat covers, the actual dimensions are no different than they were previously.

I am not someone who complains and am one of SWA's oldest customers----I took my first flight on them in July of 1971 from Dallas Love to Houston Hobby and I defend SWA all the time as all the posts I do show. It may just be me on this one and again I am not complaining about the leg room but how the seat feels.......maybe I am someone who just hates change on SWA and I admit to that. If other folks find the new seats comfortable then the problem is mine!! I will always love SWA!!

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: MikeE07
Posted 2012-11-30 10:45:12 and read 4908 times.

I would like to see that come to CHS very soon. Charleston is going to be getting pretty busy in the next few years, I believe/hope.

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: WNcrew
Posted 2012-11-30 13:00:34 and read 4101 times.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 15):
I am not someone who complains and am one of SWA's oldest customers----I took my first flight on them in July of 1971 from Dallas Love to Houston Hobby and I defend SWA all the time as all the posts I do show. It may just be me on this one and again I am not complaining about the leg room but how the seat feels.......maybe I am someone who just hates change on SWA and I admit to that. If other folks find the new seats comfortable then the problem is mine!! I will always love SWA!!

Oh no you're welcome to find them less comfortable! I think many others do as well, and many people like them. I know you sit lower in the seat itself which means the armrests would be higher up on your frame which you might perceive as "tighter".... I'm very short so I find them more comfortable and they don't force my head forward. I can actually sleep on deadheads!!! I just wanted you to know that they were the same frames. You know, with aircraft and seats, there isn't much you can change with a lot of the side-to-side dimensions... not legroom is another story ; )

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2012-11-30 13:53:21 and read 3808 times.

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 8):
To me, it seems odd that RNO would support this much service

Its linking the two largest cities within the same state and the drive time is extremely far. No Interstate between the two cities. Also remember the capital is basically in Reno so lots of traffic to the largest city in the state. Also no train service or really other real option for travellers.

[Edited 2012-11-30 13:53:56]

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: CIDFlyer
Posted 2012-12-01 08:14:28 and read 2936 times.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):

Its linking the two largest cities within the same state and the drive time is extremely far. No Interstate between the two cities. Also remember the capital is basically in Reno so lots of traffic to the largest city in the state. Also no train service or really other real option for travellers.[Edited 2012-11-30 13:53:56]

it still kind of surprises me there isnt some sort of interstate from Las Vegas Northwestard to Reno and beyond. That is about 500 miles of nothingness on a two lane road. That would have to be one brutal drive.

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: wnflyguy
Posted 2012-12-01 09:14:52 and read 2879 times.

Starting next year thru 2015 LAS airport has plans to tear down the old international terminal and the A & B gates rotundarotundas and build a new terminal 1 with 40 gates and additional international gates.
Rumor was WN will take 30 of the new gates when finished.
Wnfg  

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: United_fan
Posted 2012-12-01 09:29:44 and read 2851 times.

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
I have noticed 738's on a lot of the longer routes such as FLL, PIT, TPA, and MCO. MDW and DEN also seem to see LAS rotations on the -800's

Add BUF to the list.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...3/history/20121201/2300Z/KLAS/KBUF

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: bjorn14
Posted 2012-12-01 10:28:19 and read 2752 times.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
No Interstate between the two cities.
Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 19):
it still kind of surprises me there isnt some sort of interstate from Las Vegas Northwestard to Reno and beyond. That is about 500 miles of nothingness on a two lane road. That would have to be one brutal drive.

Not to mention most of the towns you drive through are like being in a post-apocalypse sc-fi movie or Area 54.   

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: n471wn
Posted 2012-12-01 10:32:50 and read 2749 times.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 22):
Not to mention most of the towns you drive through are like being in a post-apocalypse sc-fi movie or Area 54.

And prostitution is legal----not that I have ever imbibed!!

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: mtnwest1979
Posted 2012-12-01 16:01:04 and read 2599 times.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 15):
July of 1971 from Dallas Love to Houston Hobby

Actually WN served IAH at that time. HOU came online Nov 14,'71

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: n471wn
Posted 2012-12-01 20:46:33 and read 2511 times.

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 24):
Actually WN served IAH at that time. HOU came online Nov 14,'71

Wow are you sure? I know we landed at Hobby and I know it was 1971 as I had just moved to Midland-----wow I guess I had it wrong all these years!!

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: jporterfi
Posted 2012-12-01 21:04:37 and read 2488 times.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 25):
jporte

He is correct. This quote is from the WN Blog (Nuts About Southwest).

Quote:
When Southwest began flying on June 18, 1971, we operated out of Houston Intercontinental (IAH). Southwest reopened Hobby to commercial service a few months later on November 14, and we used the occasion to complete the “Texas Triangle" by beginning service between Hobby and San Antonio. (We operated from both Houston airports until May 14, 1972, when we we discontinued IAH service.)

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: n471wn
Posted 2012-12-01 21:08:08 and read 2497 times.

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 26):

He is correct. This quote is from the WN Blog (Nuts About Southwest).

Thanks guys and I guess it was IAH-----old age does things to one's mind.......

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: SHUPirate1
Posted 2012-12-01 23:43:19 and read 2406 times.

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 20):
Starting next year thru 2015 LAS airport has plans to tear down the old international terminal and the A & B gates rotundarotundas and build a new terminal 1 with 40 gates and additional international gates.
Rumor was WN will take 30 of the new gates when finished.
Wnfg

Replacing the 96-gate terminal they currently have? Why would they replace a 96-gate terminal with a 40-gate terminal?

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: airliner371
Posted 2012-12-02 08:47:38 and read 2206 times.

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 28):
Replacing the 96-gate terminal they currently have? Why would they replace a 96-gate terminal with a 40-gate terminal?

He is saying they will demolish just the A and B concourses which are 26 gates and will build a new 40 gate terminal. That leaves concourses C and D where they are.

Topic: RE: Southwest In Las Vegas
Username: SHUPirate1
Posted 2012-12-02 18:57:08 and read 1943 times.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 29):

He is saying they will demolish just the A and B concourses which are 26 gates and will build a new 40 gate terminal. That leaves concourses C and D where they are.

I need to learn to read, apparently!


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