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Topic: F9 FR/NK Like Fares Some Days Are They Struggling?
Username: Jerseyguy
Posted 2012-11-29 13:59:45 and read 2071 times.

Frontier is running a sale with some FR/NK like fares on some days some limited, is F9 struggling to fill planes??

Example TTN-FLL Feb 2nd only $29 one way ($79 fares available other days)
Example TYS-MCO Dec 16,19, 23 (Both ways), Dec 26 (MCO-TYS Only) $29 one way
Example DEN-AZA Whole bunch of days in Jan 2013 $36 each way
Example DEN-PHX Dec 8, 13 (to PHX) Dec 6 (to DEN) $38 each way ($58 fares Tues/Thursday January)

Topic: RE: F9 FR/NK Like Fares Some Days Are They Struggling?
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-29 14:22:59 and read 2003 times.

Not always, sometime they are just trying to entice people to fly them. If you look at LGA-MYR, the fares are under 100 dollars very often, but the planes are allmost always full.

Topic: RE: F9 FR/NK Like Fares Some Days Are They Struggling?
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2012-11-29 15:40:37 and read 1891 times.

Well, since they are moving towards the FR/NK ULCC model, that would make sense.

-Dave

Topic: RE: F9 FR/NK Like Fares Some Days Are They Struggling?
Username: azstar
Posted 2012-11-29 17:24:39 and read 1790 times.

F9 is not struggling to fill planes as much as they are struggling to be profitable. It's not difficult to fill planes when your fares are 50-80% less the major carriers.

Topic: RE: F9 FR/NK Like Fares Some Days Are They Struggling?
Username: NWADTWE16
Posted 2012-11-29 17:44:07 and read 1754 times.

3 OF 4 of those routes are brand new so im sure it has something to do with that. F9 has two profitable quarters and runs nearly 100% full system wide so lets get off the dump on F9 train..its really getting old

Topic: RE: F9 FR/NK Like Fares Some Days Are They Struggling?
Username: spinkid
Posted 2012-11-29 21:30:49 and read 1566 times.

I think it is a fair question. They are offering base fares in the Allegiant and Spirit range, but they don't have nearly as much ancillary revenue as those carriers have.

Topic: RE: F9 FR/NK Like Fares Some Days Are They Struggling?
Username: azstar
Posted 2012-11-30 05:01:05 and read 1454 times.

Quoting spinkid (Reply 5):
I think it is a fair question. They are offering base fares in the Allegiant and Spirit range, but they don't have nearly as much ancillary revenue as those carriers have.



That's exactly the point.

1) NK flies high demand routes to major destinations. They charge extra for absolutely everything, including a fee for purchasing a ticket.

2) G4 is primarily a travel company. They sell tour packages to augment their flight operation.

3) F9's latest strategy (if they have one) is to fly low demand, unproven routes, like Trenton to New Orleans, for example. Their only ancillary revenue comes from a 20.00 bag fee, a few dollars extra for an extra legroom seat, and alcoholic beverages. No one, including F9, can make much money with a plane full of rock bottom fares.

Topic: RE: F9 FR/NK Like Fares Some Days Are They Struggling?
Username: BluYonder
Posted 2012-11-30 06:09:29 and read 1409 times.

Quoting Jerseyguy (Thread starter):
Example TYS-MCO Dec 16,19, 23 (Both ways), Dec 26 (MCO-TYS Only) $29 one way

Since F9 will soon exit the TYS-Orlando market it would seem this route is most definetly struggling as it directly competes with G4.

Topic: RE: F9 FR/NK Like Fares Some Days Are They Struggling?
Username: GentFromAlaska
Posted 2012-11-30 06:53:49 and read 1344 times.

Quoting Jerseyguy (Thread starter):
Example TYS-MCO Dec 16,19, 23 (Both ways), Dec 26 (MCO-TYS Only) $29 one way
Quoting BluYonder (Reply 7):
Since F9 will soon exit the TYS-Orlando market

I think some of this may be attributed to the dates around Christmas Dec 34 and 26th. As I recall many if not all of the Orlando theme parks have scaled back operations during the period. I visited Hershey PA a few years ago for a holiday lighting event although scenic It was down right cold and not the most enjoyable with the understanding Hershey is a little farther north than Orlando.

In the low fare department WN offered $100 or less fares to several destinations valid for travel on Dec 24th only. There are also some decent fares across several carriers on December 25th.

Topic: RE: F9 FR/NK Like Fares Some Days Are They Struggling?
Username: flashmeister
Posted 2012-11-30 14:09:34 and read 1156 times.

Quoting azstar (Reply 6):
No one, including F9, can make much money with a plane full of rock bottom fares.

Hmm. That's funny. That's exactly what they seem to be doing.

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/ne...ines-gives-a-lift-to.html?page=all
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...rlines-posted-third-quarter-profit
http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/ne...airlines-posts-strong-results.html


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