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Topic: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: mel
Posted 2012-11-25 00:12:21 and read 5960 times.

Does anyone know of ANA's plans for 747-400D retirements? I think there are only about 6 planes left in the fleet, and that number is steadily decreasing. Does anyone know how much longer these birds are scheduled to fly for?

[Edited 2012-11-25 00:25:54]

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-11-25 08:45:30 and read 5357 times.

I heard by next year they're all going to be gone. Someone I know in TYO said there's a push to get one of the Pokemon jets preserved at an aviation museum but I don't know how far that is going.

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: n471wn
Posted 2012-11-25 08:55:15 and read 5334 times.

Of the 13 in the fleet, 6 are still active. Four (4) are at TUP to be broken up, one was previously broken up in Bangkok due to ground damage to the hull and 2 were sold to other operators.

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: bennett123
Posted 2012-11-25 08:58:34 and read 5318 times.

Do you have details of the one scrapped in Bangkok, I was not aware of this.

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: n471wn
Posted 2012-11-25 09:16:29 and read 5260 times.

The aircraft had received maintenance at a Thai facility at Bangkok-Don Muang. The 747 was being cleaned internally after maintenance. A flammable cleaning agent was being used, which led to a fire in the forward cargo hold.

it was 25639 and was registered JA8955 and sadly was just shy of 43,000 hours on the frame

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-11-25 12:58:01 and read 4897 times.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 4):
The aircraft had received maintenance at a Thai facility at Bangkok-Don Muang. The 747 was being cleaned internally after maintenance. A flammable cleaning agent was being used, which led to a fire in the forward cargo hold.

it was 25639 and was registered JA8955 and sadly was just shy of 43,000 hours on the frame
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20080803-0

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: vin2basketball
Posted 2012-11-25 14:53:47 and read 4693 times.

For curiosity's sake, I looked at their schedule for next week..

All I could find was

The 744Ds are running (# frequencies per week)

21x FUK-HND
17x OKA-HND
14x CTS - HND


*all flights return

Can anyone add to this list or is that the extent of the operation?

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: Thomas_Jaeger
Posted 2012-11-25 18:31:41 and read 4431 times.

That is the extent, only these three routes planned for entire future according to the schedule data we use at ch-aviation. I only see three ad hoc flights from FUK to CTS on 18DEC12 and from HND to KOJ and back on 31DEC12.

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: bennett123
Posted 2012-11-28 10:57:00 and read 3800 times.

n471wn and viscount 724

Thanks for your help guys.

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: carpethead
Posted 2012-11-30 00:55:31 and read 3414 times.

Their flying schedule only require three or four aircraft operational.
There should be some aircraft subbing for the year-end holiday but that's about it. Winter is slow times in Japan except to Hokkaido on the weekends when the ski-season starts.

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: na
Posted 2012-11-30 02:09:17 and read 3308 times.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 4):
it was 25639 and was registered JA8955 and sadly was just shy of 43,000 hours on the frame

Thats not much for a 747 with 16 service years. A LH 747 would have passed 75.000 hours at that time. I do have nice photos of this plane taken at FRA when JA8955 flew on longhaul service for a few years in the late 90s.
With the ANA 744Ds being retired no Japanese passenger airline operates 747s anymore:-(
To add, as shorthaul planes dont reach the age of its longhaul sisters, in about 5 years time the first ANA 773 should be due to go to the scrappers. Wonder what type the Japanese carriers will be using on their domestic trunk routes then as the 773 is no longer in production, indeed no big shorthaul plane is.

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-11-30 05:11:08 and read 3168 times.

Quoting na (Reply 10):
Thats not much for a 747 with 16 service years.

These are relatively high cycle aircraft, even though its accumulated hours might not be a lot. I don't have figures as to how many cycles the aircraft has done, but it's probably going to be significantly more than your average 16 year old 747.

Quoting na (Reply 10):
To add, as shorthaul planes dont reach the age of its longhaul sisters, in about 5 years time the first ANA 773 should be due to go to the scrappers. Wonder what type the Japanese carriers will be using on their domestic trunk routes then as the 773 is no longer in production, indeed no big shorthaul plane is.

This thread is about the 744D retirement, not the 777-300.

Nevertheless I believe the A350-1000 would be a logical replacement for the 777-300 as they're roughly the same size, albeit narrower. Failing that, they can still get new build 777-300s from Boeing.

[Edited 2012-11-30 05:15:50]

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: na
Posted 2012-11-30 05:26:33 and read 3135 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 11):
These are relatively high cycle aircraft, even though its accumulated hours might not be a lot. I don't have figures as to how many cycles the aircraft has done, but it's probably going to be significantly more than your average 16 year old 747.

I would expect they must have 3 or even 4 times as many cycles. A typical 747 does 2 flights a day maximum while ANAs domestics certainly perform 6 or even up to 10 short hops over 24 hours.

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-11-30 05:31:36 and read 3132 times.

Quoting na (Reply 10):
Wonder what type the Japanese carriers will be using on their domestic trunk routes then as the 773 is no longer in production, indeed no big shorthaul plane is.

787-10. It will be close enough in size and leverage their 787-8 and 787-9 fleets.

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: na
Posted 2012-11-30 05:59:13 and read 3095 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
787-10. It will be close enough in size and leverage their 787-8 and 787-9 fleets.

Thanks, that I would have expected too before anything else. Much lower seat costs than the 773, probably even a bigger gain as the 773 vs 744D? But wouldnt it require modifications, a 787-10"D" version (out with tanks etc needed for long haul, in with a strengthened undercarriage)?

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-11-30 06:18:03 and read 3067 times.

Quoting na (Reply 14):
But wouldnt it require modifications, a 787-10"D" version (out with tanks etc needed for long haul, in with a strengthened undercarriage)?

I'm guessing not since Boeing didn't need to create special "D" models of the 777-200, 777-200ER or 777-300 for NH and JL. I also do not know of Boeing doing anything special for the 787-9, which NH will operate in a 405-seat configuration like their high-capacity domestic 772s and 77Es.

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-11-30 06:19:51 and read 3067 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
787-10. It will be close enough in size and leverage their 787-8 and 787-9 fleets.

I doubt that it would be possible to fit 524 seats on the 787-10 as they do on the 777-300. The 787's inability to fit 10 seats across in economy might limit its seat count somewhat. The 777-200 in a high density (10 across) all economy configuration seats 440 passengers (per Boeing ACAP). I would be very surprised if the 787-10 seats more than 450 at most.

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-11-30 06:32:59 and read 3043 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 16):
I doubt that it would be possible to fit 524 seats on the 787-10 as they do on the 777-300.

You won't, but then neither will you get that many in an A350-1000 so that won't be an option either. So if they must have 524 seats, then they will order more 777-300ERs as you also suggested.

But then NH may no longer need 524 seats on those flights. They're phasing out the 747-400D and not replacing it with a 747-8D, so it appears NH doesn't need 565-seats on those flights, much less more.  

The domestic 787-8s have 65 more seats than the 767-300s so if you swap a daily 767-300+777-300 rotation for a 787-8+787-10 rotation, the extra seats on the 787-8 should cover the lack of seats on the 787-10 and still give you over 750 total seats.

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-11-30 09:25:39 and read 2914 times.

Another update about the pokemon jet- my friend emailed me yesterday saying there's a petition going around that just started that's pretty much saying to preserve the Pokemon Jet at the Japanese Aviation Museum or something; anyone got more information on this?

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: na
Posted 2012-11-30 09:28:57 and read 2909 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 16):
I doubt that it would be possible to fit 524 seats on the 787-10 as they do on the 777-300

I think the Japanese dont need such big jets anymore for domestic operation anyway. At least not as many as before.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):
Another update about the pokemon jet-

Would be nice if that becomes true. But which one? The yellow one would be cool though blue is surely preferred by ANA.

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: KLM747
Posted 2012-11-30 16:22:22 and read 2784 times.

Sad news that the blue "Ohana" Pokemon jet (JA8956) made its last scheduled flight on November 30.

Source (in Japanese) with pictures:
http://www.aviationwire.jp/archives/12235

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: Thomas_Jaeger
Posted 2012-11-30 17:36:15 and read 2717 times.

What was its last rotation?

Topic: RE: ANA 747-400D Retirement Status?
Username: KLM747
Posted 2012-11-30 17:59:37 and read 2697 times.

The last flight was OKA-HND as NH124.
Sad to see it go. I just saw this plane during the summer at HND. It would be nice to see the petition become reality and save one of these jets.


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