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Topic: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: SaabFA71
Posted 2012-11-28 05:56:37 and read 10075 times.

This is my second attempt posting this topic as the first one didn't go through. I'm not sure if this was discussed previously.

I have noticed that all of the ex-Colgan Air Q400s are now being operated by Republic out of DEN. Will these aircraft ever be cycled back through to the east coast United hubs like EWR and IAD or will they be strictly DEN based?

Many thanks

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: STT757
Posted 2012-11-28 06:01:35 and read 10064 times.

They're showing up in the EWR and IAD schedules for Winter '13.

[Edited 2012-11-28 06:09:02]

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: SaabFA71
Posted 2012-11-28 06:21:06 and read 9991 times.

That's cool! Can't wait to see them in my area again. Thanks for the info., STT 757!

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: ORDBOSEWR
Posted 2012-11-28 06:41:15 and read 9909 times.

Nooooo, this will probably force them to backtrack on one of the changes I like.

At EWR most of the Explus planes are now going from terminal C rather than A. That is awesome......

If the Q's come back they will force the explus flights back to A.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-11-28 07:34:18 and read 9711 times.

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 3):
If the Q's come back they will force the explus flights back to A.

Not necessarily, if anything it will make more sense to keep the large RJs in C, and move the Q400s to A to be with the ERJs.


Out of interest, what is the status of the Commutair flying?

The excellent "United Airlines Fleet Website" lists the entire Q300 and a large portion of the Q200 fleet as having being withdrawn from service.

https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfleetsite/express-fleet-tracking

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-28 07:37:54 and read 9700 times.

As of next month he Q400s will be back at EWR and IAD. They poaed many issues in DEN and had problems

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 4):

Due to the wingspan of the Q400s they have to be at the C gates. Also, for one I know that IAD-PVD goes back to the Q400 on december 19th.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-11-28 07:38:18 and read 9685 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 4):
The excellent "United Airlines Fleet Website" lists the entire Q300 and a large portion of the Q200 fleet as having being withdrawn from service.

With regard to the Q200s, it's wrong, but I don't know precisely how wrong. I just checked flightaware and see 12 aircraft - all Q200s save one - airborne.

http://flightaware.com/live/fleet/UCA

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: STT757
Posted 2012-11-28 08:13:22 and read 9558 times.

Does UA still use the three legacy gates in the A-1 concourse at EWR?

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-11-28 08:35:37 and read 9476 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
Does UA still use the three legacy gates in the A-1 concourse at EWR?

That's where the Shuttle America EMB-170s usually park, and what ORDBOSEWER was lamenting...

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 3):
At EWR most of the Explus planes are now going from terminal C rather than A.

Obviously EWR is space premium and this is much easier said than done, but I'm sure that they would like to shut these gates down. If nothing else, they have their own UnitedClub!

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 5):
Due to the wingspan of the Q400s they have to be at the C gates.

OK, I wasn't aware of that.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: LOWS
Posted 2012-11-28 09:16:00 and read 9331 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 8):
Obviously EWR is space premium and this is much easier said than done, but I'm sure that they would like to shut these gates down. If nothing else, they have their own UnitedClub!

Aren't those gates where one of the 11. September planes departed from?

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: T5towbar
Posted 2012-11-28 09:51:49 and read 9198 times.

The Q400 will stay at Terminal C. Probably the 170's as well. B6 has finally moved from Gates 21-22. So we now have the whole A-2 concourse. But the new gates aren't operational yet, but the lines are painted for ERJ's and 170's. If by chance the 170's come back to A-2, there will be 4 gates (21, 22, 24A, 25) will be able to handle them. But they will stay at C-2 (except the inbound YYT non- pre clear at C-3.

The Q's will stay at Terminal C.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: floridaflyboy
Posted 2012-11-28 10:11:03 and read 9111 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 5):
As of next month he Q400s will be back at EWR and IAD. They poaed many issues in DEN and had problems

The Q400's problems in DEN have nothing to do with DEN, but rather simply teething issues with a large-scale ramp-up by YX. The Q400's aren't leaving DEN. There are just more coming online that will be flying the EWR and IAD operations. They will have major Q400 operations in all 3.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-28 10:25:18 and read 9047 times.

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 11):

Oh, I was not aware of that. I had heard somewhere that they were having problems with thw altitude which made no sense to me (maybe the non-NextGens but even hen it wasn't quite fitting).

Thanks for xlearing that up.

On a side note, how many Q400s does UA have on order?

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-11-28 10:32:10 and read 8995 times.

Quoting T5towbar (Reply 10):

If both the Q400s and E170s stay at C, what is going to happen to A1?

Further, is there room for them all at C during peak times? I was under the impression that mainline took up a large proportion of the available gates.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: T5towbar
Posted 2012-11-28 10:56:14 and read 8918 times.

B6 has the two remaining UA gates (16-17) Gate 18 is a common use gate but B6 has access to it as we'll. WN has the other former UA gates (14-15) in the slot swap deal, along with Gate 10. AC has gates 11-12.
There s no Gate 13 at A-1.

Most of the 170's come and go in the mid-afternoon bank. Now with the Q400 in the mix, I'm pretty sure that bank can handle the activity. But more than likely Terminal A may see a couple of 170's.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-11-28 11:04:26 and read 8902 times.

Quoting T5towbar (Reply 14):

OK, thanks for that. I take it that other than maybe the occasional use of A18, UA has now basically drawn down A1 operations?

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: STT757
Posted 2012-11-28 11:14:31 and read 8857 times.

Quoting T5towbar (Reply 10):
B6 has finally moved from Gates 21-22
Quoting T5towbar (Reply 14):
B6 has the two remaining UA gates (16-17)

I'm glad B6 finally moved.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: loggat
Posted 2012-11-28 11:18:04 and read 8846 times.

We don't park any of our 170's at terminal A anymore, since the first week of November. We mostly get the odd numbered C101-111 gates and sometimes C70 and a couple of others on the end of C-2. It sounded like the move was going to be permanent with no further operations scheduled at A.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: N353SK
Posted 2012-11-28 14:26:56 and read 8359 times.

Does anybody have a list of current and/or future Q400 routes for Republic?

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-28 16:08:55 and read 7490 times.

Quoting N353SK (Reply 18):
Does anybody have a list of current and/or future Q400 routes for Republic?

IIRC, PVD, PIT, BUF, ROC, IAD, MYR (for Spring break from the middle of Feb to March 10th) just to name a few

[Edited 2012-11-28 16:09:17]

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: RDH3E
Posted 2012-11-28 16:31:33 and read 7311 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 12):
On a side note, how many Q400s does UA have on order?

0.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: allegiantflyer
Posted 2012-11-28 17:00:52 and read 7030 times.

I wish i could see a route map of all these Q400 routes out of DEN now

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: Jpax
Posted 2012-11-28 17:06:46 and read 6975 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 4):
Out of interest, what is the status of the Commutair flying?

The excellent "United Airlines Fleet Website" lists the entire Q300 and a large portion of the Q200 fleet as having being withdrawn from service.

https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfleetsite/express-fleet-tracking

Very much still flying and expanding its route network.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: floridaflyboy
Posted 2012-11-28 17:16:18 and read 6892 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 12):

Oh no, the Q400 is a wonderful plane for DEN. Republic just has to get their rhythm. It will do fine.

And while UA doesn't have any Q400s per se, more and more Q400's will be re-entering service in the coming months as RJET ramps up to the full fleet of 32. It's going to be exciting to watch.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: CODC10
Posted 2012-11-28 17:22:27 and read 6847 times.

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 3):
If the Q's come back they will force the explus flights back to A.
Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
Does UA still use the three legacy gates in the A-1 concourse at EWR?
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 8):
If nothing else, they have their own UnitedClub!

UA has transferred space in A-1 to B6. The A-1 United Club (former RCC) closed on 11/11. Rumors were that AC would take over the UC space as they did at LGA, but that has failed to materialize. The former United Club at A-1 is a large facility, even including a onetime International First Lounge, a remnant of extensive United operations at EWR in the 1990s through early 2000s. It is probably too big for AC's somewhat modest EWR station.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: cosyr
Posted 2012-11-28 19:45:49 and read 6141 times.

I asked this in the United Fleet Status thread, but got no response. Does anyone know if the new operation will continue the Q400 upgrade to first class? They have 6 with F, and it was only a few months ago they were planning to change them all, right before Pinnacle's chap11.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: N62NA
Posted 2012-11-28 20:48:25 and read 5764 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 12):
how many Q400s does UA have on order?

I would think it would be:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 20):
0.

Unless UA is buying the planes and then leasing them out to the airlines that would be flying them all dressed up in UA colors pretending to be UA-operated aircraft.  

[Edited 2012-11-28 20:48:49]

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-28 22:09:09 and read 5406 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 26):
Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 23):
Quoting RDH3E (Reply 20):

Oh, thanks! I thought they were still recieving them for some reason. Thank for clearing that up.

I am ecstatic as a passenger to see the Q400s come back to the east coast. they are by far more comfortable than the ERJs.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: RDH3E
Posted 2012-11-29 07:03:53 and read 4167 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 26):
Unless UA is buying the planes and then leasing them out to the airlines that would be flying them all dressed up in UA colors pretending to be UA-operated aircraft.

That would be the CO deal with XE/EV for all those 145's.  

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: mcg
Posted 2012-11-29 08:01:23 and read 4090 times.

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 23):
Oh no, the Q400 is a wonderful plane for DEN. Republic just has to get their rhythm. It will do fine.

For what it's worth I recently had a trip on UAX that was Q400 both ways. The outbound leg was delayed two hours due to late inbounder, then a mechanical issue, then the need to add fuel. Not good. The return was simply canceled. The CSA at the airport indicated it was a mechanical issue that caused the cancellation. United did handle the cancellation well, we were rebooked on F9 and were delayed only a few minutes.

It wasn't really a good trip in terms of demonstrating the usefulness of the Q400.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: flyinryan99
Posted 2012-11-30 06:50:09 and read 3666 times.

Quoting mcg (Reply 29):

They are also down one Q400 that hasn't made it into service yet. There was an aircraft to go into service two weeks ago but was damaged during final inspections. I haven't heard the expected date it will be finished and in service. May be soon though.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: LHCVG
Posted 2012-11-30 06:56:18 and read 3642 times.

Quoting cosyr (Reply 25):
I asked this in the United Fleet Status thread, but got no response. Does anyone know if the new operation will continue the Q400 upgrade to first class? They have 6 with F, and it was only a few months ago they were planning to change them all, right before Pinnacle's chap11.

I believe that will continue as it is entirely separate - from what I understand the only real change is who is flying the Q's now. Everything else should be similar (aside from normal migration around the system as UA refines it's route network).

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 23):

Oh no, the Q400 is a wonderful plane for DEN. Republic just has to get their rhythm. It will do fine.

Isn't the Q400 one of the few remaining RJs that do routes to places like ASE? I seem to remember that CRJs and/or ERJs have some trouble, and they need either Q's or CR7s for that.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-30 13:49:56 and read 3499 times.

Quoting cosyr (Reply 25):
Does anyone know if the new operation will continue the Q400 upgrade to first class?

I believe they are, because from Feb 10th to Mar 10th there is a two-class Q400 operating EWR-MYR. Doesn't seem like a route they would put the planes on if they have other routes that would have more F-demand.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-11-30 14:02:01 and read 3467 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 32):
there is a two-class Q400 operating EWR-MYR.

That seems interestingly specific!

Let's be honest, there won't be any paid F demand on this route, and with those times there won't even be any TATL connections where somebody might have flown into EWR in J.

I would therefore have thought that the more obvious thing to do would be to put up a generic one-class seat map, and then surprise some lucky elites if an 2 class bird operates on a given day.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: RDH3E
Posted 2012-11-30 14:51:55 and read 3399 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 33):
I would therefore have thought that the more obvious thing to do would be to put up a generic one-class seat map, and then surprise some lucky elites if an 2 class bird operates on a given day.

Unless they sell out the Y cabin, why not show F for sale, if you get even just 1 booking then it was worth it? Also, I believe EWR will recieve only 2 class Q400's. So as those come online you'll see more of them at EWR.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-30 15:00:24 and read 3363 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 33):
Let's be honest, there won't be any paid F demand on this route, and with those times there won't even be any TATL connections where somebody might have flown into EWR in J.

I was as surprised as you are! Though nonetheless, it is nice to see some more F-class seats availible into MYR.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 33):
That seems interestingly specific!

I'm guessing it is an upguage for the February break season, because after that it goes back to the E-145XR.   Though I don't know how many spring-breakers coming from NYC, as many districts up here lost February break, like ours here on LI.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-11-30 15:24:11 and read 3321 times.

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 34):
Unless they sell out the Y cabin, why not show F for sale, if you get even just 1 booking then it was worth it?

I understand that much, but with 6/32 frames there is a decent chance that a non-F frame could be subbed, thus disappointing that person who did pay for F. That said, I didn't realize that only 2 were going to EWR. If they are both F frames then obviously it wouldn't be an issue.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 35):
Though I don't know how many spring-breakers coming from NYC, as many districts up here lost February break, like ours here on LI.

 Wow!

Oh my goodness! Why is that?

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-30 16:07:48 and read 3281 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 36):


Oh my goodness! Why is that?

We lost so many days from Sandy that we now have to make them up  

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: cosyr
Posted 2012-11-30 16:16:35 and read 3264 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 33):
Let's be honest, there won't be any paid F demand on this route, and with those times there won't even be any TATL connections where somebody might have flown into EWR in J.

Maybe not on that individual route, but connections matter. I fly into SYR all the time, and would love to upgrade, but I'm not going to pay or use miles if it only means one of my two flights.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: freeze3192
Posted 2012-11-30 16:50:33 and read 3207 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 4):
The excellent "United Airlines Fleet Website" lists the entire Q300 and a large portion of the Q200 fleet as having being withdrawn from service.

With regard to the Q200s, it's wrong, but I don't know precisely how wrong. I just checked flightaware and see 12 aircraft - all Q200s save one - airborne.

http://flightaware.com/live/fleet/UCA

It's all wrong. A few planes might be in a heavy check or something, but CommutAir is still operating 21 Dash 8s (16 200s and 5 300s) for United.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: bhmdiversion
Posted 2012-11-30 21:26:40 and read 3039 times.

Does anyone have any pics on the YX Q's in DEN?

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-11-30 23:09:18 and read 2980 times.

Quoting cosyr (Reply 38):

I wasn't arguing against F on regional generally, but was suggesting that as only a few Qs have F then MYR doesn't seem like the #1 market to earmark with F equipped frames.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: ADent
Posted 2012-11-30 23:26:18 and read 2968 times.

How long is the Republic contract for?

I assume once the new UA pilot contract is approved most (all?) Q400s will be replaced by CRJ700s.

What routes can the Q400 do that the CRJ700/ERJ170 can not do or practically can not do?

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: LOWS
Posted 2012-12-01 01:54:50 and read 2938 times.

Quoting ADent (Reply 42):
How long is the Republic contract for?

8 Years
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....-newsArticle&ID=1695715&highlight=

Quoting ADent (Reply 42):

I assume once the new UA pilot contract is approved most (all?) Q400s will be replaced by CRJ700s.

What routes can the Q400 do that the CRJ700/ERJ170 can not do or practically can not do?

Why should they be? The Q400 has great operating costs and carries a few more passengers than a CR7.

Under 500 miles (e.g. from IAH: OKC, DAL, SAN, MSY...) it beats the CR7 handily.

Topic: RE: Q400s For United Express (Republic)
Username: point2point
Posted 2012-12-01 10:30:41 and read 2769 times.

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 21):

I wish i could see a route map of all these Q400 routes out of DEN now

I think that this is as current as I know it......




 


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