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Topic: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: kaitak
Posted 2012-11-30 13:24:17 and read 14377 times.

At least 30 are feared dead after an IL76 overran the runway at Brazzaville, hitting 15 houses and then, running into a ravine and catching fire.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n.../121130/congo-plane-crash-kills-20

Developing story; reports still coming in and sketchy.

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-30 13:38:19 and read 14244 times.

Horrible news. How far off the runway did it go? It seems like it must've gone pretty far to hit 15 houses!

R.I.P. to all those lost and/or have lost loved-ones in this tragedy.

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: redzeppelin
Posted 2012-11-30 15:29:32 and read 13663 times.

Looking at satellite images of the airfield, it seems like they must have been landing on 23R. It looks like there is a neighborhood off the end of the runway, followed by a strip of vegetation that could be a ravine, then another cluster of buildings beyond the ravine...

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: KC135Hydraulics
Posted 2012-11-30 15:34:02 and read 13618 times.

Third world aviation strikes again. Condolences of course to those who lost their family members in this accident.

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: cloud4000
Posted 2012-11-30 15:35:23 and read 13618 times.

Flying in Africa is always an adventure, especially with old Soviet airframes like the IL-76. That aircraft has a weird approach...

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: YVRLTN
Posted 2012-11-30 19:11:26 and read 12806 times.

Operator is locally based Aero-Service. Domestic flight inbound from PNR, landing in a thunderstorm.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20121130-0

Possible aircraft is EK-76300 c/n 073410300 built 1979, which belongs to Air Highnesses based in SHJ but on the Armenian register.

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: SW733
Posted 2012-11-30 19:44:46 and read 12423 times.

Quoting cloud4000 (Reply 4):

Flying in Africa is always an adventure, especially with old Soviet airframes like the IL-76. That aircraft has a weird approach...

It is best not to categorize Africa as one entity when it comes to aviation safety...

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: trent1000
Posted 2012-11-30 20:00:14 and read 12223 times.

SW733, statistics speak for themselves: Africa has the worst aviation record of any ICAO region
Report from June 4th, 2012: http://wolfganghthome.wordpress.com/...ocus-on-aviation-safety-in-africa/

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: ETinCaribe
Posted 2012-11-30 20:26:43 and read 11954 times.

RIP to all who perished!!

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 7):
SW733, statistics speak for themselves: Africa has the worst aviation record of any ICAO region
Report from June 4th, 2012: http://wolfganghthome.wordpress.com/...rica/

Well, any generalization is probably just that, generalization. That said, our African governments MUST take collective action to put a stop to these needless carnages. Until they do that, we will be the laughing stock of the World and of A.net too.

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2012-11-30 21:19:49 and read 11471 times.

He should have said Central Africa. Then nobody could complain about his statement.

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: beiaard
Posted 2012-11-30 21:27:07 and read 11393 times.

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 7):
SW733, statistics speak for themselves: Africa has the worst aviation record of any ICAO region
Report from June 4th, 2012: http://wolfganghthome.wordpress.com/...rica/

That's sort of like saying that since the UK, Germany, and France have are major players in the global economy, Moldova is too, since they're on the same continent. Africa is a variegated continent - I would trust SAA much more than some of the other airlines therein.

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: bond007
Posted 2012-11-30 21:40:37 and read 11271 times.

Quoting beiaard (Reply 10):
That's sort of like saying that since the UK, Germany, and France have are major players in the global economy, Moldova is too, since they're on the same continent. Africa is a variegated continent - I would trust SAA much more than some of the other airlines therein.

No, it's not "sort of like saying" that!

It's like saying that if Europe is a major player in the global economy, then Moldova is included, since it's part of Europe.

If the statistics are such that Africa has the worse aviation record, in terms of crashes, then of course that includes all countries in the continent.

Yes, a generalization for sure .... but not incorrect (if it's a fact!).

Jimbo

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: AirGabon
Posted 2012-12-01 03:45:24 and read 8494 times.

Quoting beiaard (Reply 10):
That's sort of like saying that since the UK, Germany, and France have are major players in the global economy, Moldova is too, since they're on the same continent.

But Air Moldova is an excellent airline. I flew with their EM190 and even EM120: great service, knowing their technical staff, the maintenance of the aircraft is perfect. And Chisinau airport is very modern, clean and efficient!

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: vio
Posted 2012-12-01 05:40:40 and read 7373 times.

Quoting beiaard (Reply 10):

I wonder why you used Moldova as a comparison. Have you got some inside knowledge of the aviation industry there? That's a pretty cheap shot at a country with a long history of aviation... If you make such statements, please back them up with facts and links.

Thank you

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: Aesma
Posted 2012-12-01 06:03:58 and read 7120 times.

Sad tragedy.

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 8):
Well, any generalization is probably just that, generalization. That said, our African governments MUST take collective action to put a stop to these needless carnages. Until they do that, we will be the laughing stock of the World and of A.net too.

As tragic as these crashes are, far worse things happen daily in these regions unfortunately, and should be dealt with first. In fact the violence on the ground is the reason many things and people fly to begin with.

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: Polot
Posted 2012-12-01 06:12:12 and read 6973 times.

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 12):
But Air Moldova is an excellent airline. I flew with their EM190 and even EM120: great service, knowing their technical staff, the maintenance of the aircraft is perfect. And Chisinau airport is very modern, clean and efficient!
Quoting vio (Reply 13):
I wonder why you used Moldova as a comparison. Have you got some inside knowledge of the aviation industry there? That's a pretty cheap shot at a country with a long history of aviation... If you make such statements, please back them up with facts and links.

If you actually read what he said before your kneejerk reactions you will see that he was not comparing Moldova's aviation industry with the UK, Germany, and France, he was comparing their economies. He is not bashing Moldova...he is just making a valid point.


Anyways hope the death toll doesn't go up any more.

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: asctty
Posted 2012-12-01 06:39:45 and read 6656 times.

It is indeed a tragic accident. Most of those posting here are preempting the outcome of any crash investigation whilst generalising about the state of African airlines.
Wait for the facts first please.

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2012-12-01 09:18:14 and read 4787 times.

Quoting asctty (Reply 16):
It is indeed a tragic accident. Most of those posting here are preempting the outcome of any crash investigation whilst generalising about the state of African airlines.
Wait for the facts first please.

There are no more facts needed to emphasize the dangers of flying in Central Africa.

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: sshd
Posted 2012-12-01 11:03:19 and read 3604 times.

Terrible news...seems they tried a go-around and they didn't make it. METARs at the time of the crash don't look good:

FCBB 301700Z 12007KT 050V170 4000 TSRA FEW010 BKN016 FEW026CB 24/22 Q1009 NOSIG
FCBB 301600Z 21013KT 6000 TS FEW010 BKN020 FEW030CB 30/23 Q1006 BECMG 06015G25KT 4000 TSRA

Some photos and more info at: http://avherald.com/h?article=459df3ac&opt=0

Topic: RE: IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead
Username: Tbone354
Posted 2012-12-01 12:18:04 and read 2812 times.

As my sainted Grandmother would say,("Oh Hush"). God bless them.


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