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Topic: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: A388
Posted 2012-11-30 07:17:45 and read 12268 times.

Hello All,

I don't know if this has been discussed before so please except my apologies if it has. Seeing the new UA livery on their 787's, will this livery be applied throughout the entire UA fleet? If so, what's the aircraft per aircraft type? I'm more interested in the 73G/738/739 fleet but of course all the other aircraft types' (re)painting schedule is most welcome of course.

Best regards,

A388

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: allegiantflyer
Posted 2012-11-30 07:21:22 and read 12255 times.

I think UA needs a completely new livery in general. The globe is very boring.This will unfortunately not happen since they are finishing up putting them in the current livery. They really did do a damper when they didnt continue the "tulip" or "rising Blue" livery

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: LostSound
Posted 2012-11-30 07:31:07 and read 12168 times.

UA is still painting aircraft in the regular grey base livery (as of lately the Ejets in the Express division).

I'm pretty sure that the first 787 is a one off. Chances are the other UA 787s will carry the regular livery.
If the next one does have the wave of grey, then it could be assumed the 787 will carry a different livery from the rest of the fleet.

My view is that the wave of grey was really just a merge between Boeing's house livery and UA's livery to celebrate the first 787 for the company.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: A388
Posted 2012-11-30 07:40:40 and read 12091 times.

Quoting LostSound (Reply 2):
My view is that the wave of grey was really just a merge between Boeing's house livery and UA's livery to celebrate the first 787 for the company.

So far, all 787's delivered to UA have the same livery.

A388

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: TK1244
Posted 2012-11-30 08:56:01 and read 11773 times.

IIRC the "new livery" would only be seen on the Boeing 787 fleet

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: slider
Posted 2012-11-30 08:59:28 and read 11751 times.

Quoting LostSound (Reply 2):
UA is still painting aircraft in the regular grey base livery (as of lately the Ejets in the Express division).

No, they're not....where do you get this? United Express aircraft are being repainted as well, progress varies by operator. But no gray.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: ORDBOSEWR
Posted 2012-11-30 09:13:42 and read 11645 times.

There are 2 parts of livery. Interior and exterior:

For exterior:
fyi: the 787 paint job is a special 787 paint (with the gold stripe) and will not be going fleetwide.

This thread will tell you what is done and what is not:

United/Cont. Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 13 (by LipeGIG Oct 1 2012 in Civil Aviation)

The net is that probably by the end of Q1 all of the painting for mainline will be done. There are only blue scheme plains flying (the battleship livery is gone from mainline).

Yes, the express fleet is taking longer, but frankly they are not pressing those as much as the mainline fleet.

They also have fleet plans that call for some types to depart, so those will not get new paint until they leave.

As for interiors, they are all over the place, since they had contracts for seats for the 787's before the merger and contrary to beliefs on a.net these can't be changed at a moments notice without delays or impacts.
Therefor, they are still getting planes from previous agreements.
The sUA757's that are getting the interior refresh are getting the long-term seats.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: callbell
Posted 2012-11-30 09:13:54 and read 11642 times.

Slider, I think he means regular grey base as in with a stright line as opposed to the wavy line on the 787s. I guess it could be thought to mean the old battleship grey livery as that was my immediate thought on reading that post.

[Edited 2012-11-30 09:14:45]

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: slider
Posted 2012-11-30 09:19:12 and read 11596 times.

Quoting callbell (Reply 7):
Slider, I think he means regular grey base as in with a stright line as opposed to the wavy line on the 787s. I guess it could be thought to mean the old battleship grey livery as that was my immediate thought on reading that post.

Oh, oh....got it....yeah, that was a bit ambiguous. Gotcha now. Thanks!  

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: LostSound
Posted 2012-11-30 09:25:43 and read 11557 times.

Quoting slider (Reply 5):
No, they're not....where do you get this? United Express aircraft are being repainted as well, progress varies by operator. But no gray.

My apologies, by regular grey base I meant the regular CO/UA livery with the straight grey portion on the bottom.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: FriendlySkies
Posted 2012-11-30 10:00:03 and read 11410 times.

Quoting LostSound (Reply 2):
I'm pretty sure that the first 787 is a one off. Chances are the other UA 787s will carry the regular livery.
If the next one does have the wave of grey, then it could be assumed the 787 will carry a different livery from the rest of the fleet.

All of the 787s will carry this livery (the first 5 have been painted and are all identical). What I'm curious to see is if the A350s or 737 MAX come in this or a new livery (2016-2018, might be time for a new image...lets hope).

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: deltaflyertoo
Posted 2012-11-30 14:06:45 and read 10897 times.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 10):
What I'm curious to see is if the A350s or 737 MAX come in this or a new livery (2016-2018, might be time for a new image...lets hope).

If what they said when merger was announced back in 2010 the answer is no. United stated in the press back then that within a few years a whole new branding/livery would be unveiled for the new combined carrier,but for now the focus had to be on the logistics of the merge first so faced with choice they were going w/ the CO livery for the time being. Who knows if they'll stick to that or what, but that is what I remember reading from multiple news sources at that time.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-11-30 14:22:04 and read 10813 times.

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 1):

I think UA needs a completely new livery in general. The globe is very boring.This will unfortunately not happen since they are finishing up putting them in the current livery. They really did do a damper when they didnt continue the "tulip" or "rising Blue" livery

Ugly as it is, it was a sound decision.

Their options were:
1) Repaint all aircraft to the new PMUA livery (the blue and white one).
2) Repaint all aircraft to the PMCO livery.
3) Entirely new livery

If we analyze option (1), we quickly see that this makes little economic sense. At the time of the merger, about a third of the PMUA fleet had been repainted, so 2/3 of the PMUA fleet and all of the PMCO fleet would need repainting.

Option (3) would mean that every aircraft in the fleet would need to be repainted.

Option (2) meant that the PMCO fleet only needed a decal or a partial repaint (not sure what their solution was...anyone know?) and only the PMUA fleet needed repainting.

It will be another decade until we see a new livery.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: JBo
Posted 2012-11-30 14:37:47 and read 10736 times.

United probably won't go through another rebranding until well after all of the dust and wrinkles have settled out of the merger. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if American's potential rebranding may be incentive for United to refresh their look.

I see Delta sticking with their livery for awhile, since they're just now settling into having the whole fleet painted over.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: ukoverlander
Posted 2012-11-30 14:43:55 and read 10707 times.

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 1):
I think UA needs a completely new livery in general. The globe is very boring.This will unfortunately not happen since they are finishing up putting them in the current livery. They really did do a damper when they didnt continue the "tulip" or "rising Blue" livery

Oh boy.....here we go again.

Grab a comfy chair and some popcorn folks......it's the Tulip versus the Globe debate again.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: questions
Posted 2012-11-30 15:05:12 and read 10623 times.

I think the CO livery with the PMUA tulip tail would have looked good.

Clearly Smi/J wanted everyone to know who was on top.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: cosyr
Posted 2012-11-30 16:12:17 and read 10348 times.

Quoting questions (Reply 15):
Clearly Smi/J wanted everyone to know who was on top.

That had nothing to do with it, it was based on cost and time to complete a singular brand image. Since half of the pmUA had the blue and half had the grey, for going to the blue and white, you would have had to repaint 3/4 of the new airline's fleet (all of pmCO and the grey's) to do a new livery, you would have to paint 100% of the planes and would have started out with 4 identities.

To go with the option they have now, they had to retitle pmCO planes and repaint half of the new airline's fleet, 1/4 of which had to be repainted anyway from the grey.

This way has created a unified brand in very short time. 90% of mainline planes are in one livery. Now they can take their time and decide where to take the brand in the future, without looking mixed up to customers.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: cruiseshipcrew
Posted 2012-11-30 16:17:54 and read 10270 times.

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 14):
Oh boy.....here we go again.

Grab a comfy chair and some popcorn folks......it's the Tulip versus the Globe debate again.

Some people just can't move on can they??  

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: JHCRJ700
Posted 2012-11-30 16:18:37 and read 10225 times.

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 1):
I think UA needs a completely new livery in general. The globe is very boring.This will unfortunately not happen since they are finishing up putting them in the current livery. They really did do a damper when they didnt continue the "tulip" or "rising Blue" livery

It's also confusing in a way. The globe triggers the Continental brand but the name triggers the old Tulip.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: flygbear
Posted 2012-11-30 17:47:18 and read 9122 times.

In all due respect, UAL has had numerous livery changes in a relatively short period of time. They all kept a sharp appearance to the United Airlines name (at the time).
But on the other hand US Airway went through so many liveries, mostly due to bad reputations in the media and general public. At one point, I distinctly recall thinking, "Sherman Williams must be having a shortage due to all of USAirways'' numerous liveries. To make a long story short, too many changes confuses the potentioal customer.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: aviateur
Posted 2012-11-30 17:58:00 and read 9009 times.

I really, really hope not.

I have had it up to here with the swooshy things (a.k.a. the "Generic Meaningless Swoosh Thing", or GMST).

Time for a new trend in airline identity.

Bring back the old-style window stripes!

(Er, well, okay, not the red, blue, and orange tri-color that United last used, but you see my point....)


Patrick Smith

[Edited 2012-11-30 18:02:12]

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: aviateur
Posted 2012-11-30 18:06:13 and read 8895 times.

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 1):
I think UA needs a completely new livery in general. The globe is very boring.

Here's what I say in my book (to be published in April) about the current United/Continental hybrid livery...

"....When United and Continental Airlines announced their merger in 2010, this combination paint scheme was unveiled, marrying the Continental tail and fuselage with the United typeface. 'Continented,' let’s call it. It’s a good-looking design, and we understand the sentiment, but doing away with United’s iconic “U” emblem was a mistake. The U—a feathery, truncated tulip in its final, pre-merger form—was never especially dashing, but Continental’s segmented globe, now in its place, is so boring that it looks like a PowerPoint slide. Also, I miss the fully spelled “United Airlines” used in the 1990s, which had more gravity than a lackadaisical 'United.'

Crisp, light, ultra-corporate. Overall grade: B-plus...."


I dunno, I'm starting to think that maybe B-plus is too high a grade?


- Patrick Smith

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: captainstefan
Posted 2012-11-30 18:58:30 and read 8337 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
(not sure what their solution was...anyone know?)

They did indeed use stickers on the sCO aircraft. In the rain you could tell where the seams were (right above the top of the windows, about 3 feet on either side of the letters, and strangely the decal reached all the way to the top of the airplane).

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: United1
Posted 2012-11-30 19:12:39 and read 8187 times.

Quoting captainstefan (Reply 22):
They did indeed use stickers on the sCO aircraft. In the rain you could tell where the seams were (right above the top of the windows, about 3 feet on either side of the letters, and strangely the decal reached all the way to the top of the airplane).

There was only one or two of the CO mainline jets that temporarily used a decal. There are quite a few aircraft where they painted the entire crown of the aircraft ...that's why it looks like they painted or decaled up to the top of the aircraft.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: ATL
Posted 2012-11-30 19:21:22 and read 8096 times.

I really don't want to see UA 787 ALL have a special livery... I want the actual livery!

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: American 767
Posted 2012-11-30 19:47:25 and read 7951 times.

Quoting flygbear (Reply 19):
In all due respect, UAL has had numerous livery changes in a relatively short period of time.

So did Delta. 3 livery changes in only 10 years.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: FlyDeltaJets
Posted 2012-11-30 21:50:17 and read 7007 times.

From UA today....

"Our new livery is now on more than 90 percent of the mainline fleet, and by the end of the year we expect to have completed all our narrowbody aircraft. Additionally, we have repainted three-quarters of the planes used by our regional airline partners on United Express routes.

Between now and the end of December we will paint 12 Airbus planes to complete the narrowbody refresh. All former CO planes have had the new livery since earlier this year. Of the former UA planes, we expect to complete the B777s by next spring, the B767s by the end of next year and the B747s by the end of the first quarter in 2014. It takes 12 days on average to repaint a widebody plane so the work is usually scheduled at the same time as other major maintenance or modifications to minimize time out of service."

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-30 22:23:42 and read 6803 times.

So the current scheme is just the cheapest combo? That's not a bad idea since the economy is the way it is and paint is expensive.
But, they shouldve at least had times new roman font and have it say "United Airlines" or put a tulip on the tail the same color as the CO globe. I see what Smisek was doing with livery, but it could've been done better.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: CALPSAFltSkeds
Posted 2012-11-30 22:35:57 and read 6706 times.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 26):
Between now and the end of December we will paint 12 Airbus planes to complete the narrowbody refresh.

This indicates that the four remaining 752s in UA Blue will not be painted as they are leaving the fleet. N527UA, N544UA should have already exited. N532UA and N517UA in ps configuration were shown as 2/13 fleet exits. There are other fleet exits, but they are in Globe paint.

Right now there are 7 UA Blue Airbuses plus 3 in AMA paint at this time. They take about 10 days to paint.
Right now there are 5 UA Blue 772s plus one in VCV paint. The last one took just 12 days to complete. It should take about 10 weeks to complete if they go nose to tail at VCV.
The 763ERs are another story. There are 14 left to paint (all 3 class) and will probably go in after the mod line at HKG for 2 class aircraft goes below 3 units at a time, which should take place about the middle of January 2013. This could conincide with the completion of the 772s.
774s, who knows when the paint line will start again?

Keep up to date on the UA Fleet Website.

https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfleetsite/

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: hawaiian717
Posted 2012-11-30 23:18:19 and read 6366 times.

When they first announced that the merged United would use the globe logo and Continental livery, they also used the Continental typeface as well. The change to the block typeface came later.

http://www.corporate-eye.com/blog/20...brings-new-brand-and-logo-sort-of/

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: pdx
Posted 2012-11-30 23:30:26 and read 6252 times.

Anybody know if they're re-painting their EM2's or getting rid of them? What will they get replaced with...on the PDXSEA leg for instance?

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2012-12-01 04:23:03 and read 4555 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
Option (2) meant that the PMCO fleet only needed a decal or a partial repaint (not sure what their solution was...anyone know?) and only the PMUA fleet needed repainting.

Partial repaints.

Quoting captainstefan (Reply 22):
They did indeed use stickers on the sCO aircraft. In the rain you could tell where the seams were (right above the top of the windows, about 3 feet on either side of the letters, and strangely the decal reached all the way to the top of the airplane).

Not so much, no. A few planes got decals (as noted already above) but in a lot of cases they simply painted over the old titles and painted the new titles on. The effect is largely the same as a decal, but much more permanent in nature.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 27):
But, they shouldve at least had times new roman font and have it say "United Airlines" or put a tulip on the tail the same color as the CO globe. I see what Smisek was doing with livery, but it could've been done better.

Oh, the sans-serif United title is MUCH better than the United name in CO's font. That font worked REALLY well for the Continental name, but only because there were no U's in it. My ONLY issue with the current "United" identify is that the text next to the globe in the letterhead-style logo is not an even height with the emblem. It would look a lot better if the square the globe is in and the text were even.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: 727LOVER
Posted 2012-12-01 09:11:04 and read 2805 times.

Does anyone have regs of 757 still in old colors w/ winglets?

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: CALPSAFltSkeds
Posted 2012-12-01 09:38:30 and read 2763 times.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 32):
Does anyone have regs of 757 still in old colors w/ winglets?

Four in total, all slated to leave the fleet between now and Spring..
Winglets: N517UA, N532UA, N544UA (517 and 532 are in ps configuration)
No winglets: N527UA

https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfleetsite/mainline-fleet-tracking

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: 727LOVER
Posted 2012-12-01 10:40:50 and read 2625 times.

Thanx

oh, I didnt know the -222s had begun retirement. How many have left so far?------& why would they be getting rid of ships that they spent money to add winglets while still many non-winglets continue on?

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: 727LOVER
Posted 2012-12-01 10:44:25 and read 2607 times.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 33):

ps config means they're basically doing JFK-LAX/SFO runs, right?

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2012-12-01 10:55:04 and read 2605 times.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 28):

Are they stripping off the old UA livery then painting on the new one or are they just painting the new livery over the old? The reason why I ask is because when US was reprinting their fleet to the current liveries, many East aircraft new paints were starting to peel off showing the old colors before.....

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: strfyr51
Posted 2012-12-01 11:53:59 and read 2521 times.

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 1):

Really? The Globe?? That's the BEST part of the Continental Paint job!! the REST IS Boring!! But having said that ?? It's the modt Servicealble paint Scheme in the USA. The Boeing Grey in the lower fuselage is a bulletproof paint that does not fade or age the White top if washed regularly will last indefinitely , No it's Not flashy but it's CLEAN and Crisp.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: strfyr51
Posted 2012-12-01 11:59:23 and read 2516 times.

Quoting cosyr (Reply 16):

Excellent analysis. The Grey Blue left over from Steve Wolfe was a worst atrocity to mankind. the Wavy waterline of the 787's is just a fad for That fleet as a nod to our dear friends at Boeing.

Topic: RE: UA New Livery Fleetwide?
Username: CALPSAFltSkeds
Posted 2012-12-01 13:53:39 and read 2350 times.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 35):
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 33):

ps config means they're basically doing JFK-LAX/SFO runs, right?

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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 36):
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 28):

Are they stripping off the old UA livery then painting on the new one or are they just painting the new livery over the old? The reason why I ask is because when US was reprinting their fleet to the current liveries, many East aircraft new paints were starting to peel off showing the old colors before.....

I would assume they're fully stripping and repainting. However, with at least some of the 752-222s headed for fleet removal maybe covering over the old paint would have worked if the paint underneath was in OK shape.


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