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Topic: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: klwright69
Posted 2012-12-04 10:43:06 and read 12932 times.

I few weeks ago I started a thread about F class on UA international routes, why some routes have it and some don't.

It appears that EWR-ZUR is now a COs 767-400 again these days, with no F cabin. The UA 767 with the F class does reappear on the route later in December, and then permanently reverts to the 767-400 again with no F in 2013. The type of aircraft does change some on the route before it reverts back.

So much for the UA F cabin on EWR-ZUR or so it appears. Or maybe I have it wrong?

Topic: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: tommy767
Posted 2012-12-04 10:46:33 and read 12916 times.

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):

So much for the UA F cabin on EWR-ZUR or so it appears. Or maybe I have it wrong?

I think it has more to do with the fact that quite a few of the 764s have been reconfigured and now can come back to EWR for international services.

Topic: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: LHCVG
Posted 2012-12-04 11:07:53 and read 12759 times.

There was also some mention on FT that they have been having problems with orphan PMUA planes going tech and throwing a wrench into things because there aren't any spares available to pick up the slack at the EWR hub. If I read things correct on that thread, it sounds like PMUA int'l flights to EWR are rotated through Europe as out-and-backs and that somehow there are issues with mx or subbing at this PMCO station vs. if it were a PMUA hub used to those planes.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: blueflyer
Posted 2012-12-04 11:46:12 and read 12520 times.

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
Or maybe I have it wrong?

Probably not. Same thing for EWR-BRU, back to a 764 after a stint with a pmUA 3-class 777. Before the merger, EWR-BRU was crying out for something bigger than the 764, but it doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

Whether intentional on the part of UA or merely meeting demand, there seems to be a shift in connecting traffic from EWR to ORD. As EWR-BRU goes back to a 764, ORD-BRU is planned for an up-gauge from a very-often-full 767 to a 777. Might there be a similar trade-off for ZRH?

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: N1120A
Posted 2012-12-04 11:50:46 and read 12489 times.

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 2):
If I read things correct on that thread, it sounds like PMUA int'l flights to EWR are rotated through Europe as out-and-backs and that somehow there are issues with mx or subbing at this PMCO station vs. if it were a PMUA hub used to those planes.

They are indeed rotated over the European outstation. That said, its not as if IAD is that far if they need a ferry.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: BMI727
Posted 2012-12-04 11:59:27 and read 12439 times.

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
So much for the UA F cabin on EWR-ZUR or so it appears. Or maybe I have it wrong?

It's gotta be temporary. I can't imagine that they would want to fly EWR-ZRH on a plane with no first class product on a regular basis. That's just leaving money on the table.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: LHCVG
Posted 2012-12-04 12:01:46 and read 12421 times.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
They are indeed rotated over the European outstation. That said, its not as if IAD is that far if they need a ferry.

That's what my reaction was - 200ish miles surely isn't too far for that (provided there are spares at IAD). Admittedly I am not totally clear on the inside baseball ops issues going on, but it appears as though there is some hangup there that won't be solved until they can fully integrate everything.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: Roseflyer
Posted 2012-12-04 12:06:17 and read 12371 times.

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 6):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
They are indeed rotated over the European outstation. That said, its not as if IAD is that far if they need a ferry.

That's what my reaction was - 200ish miles surely isn't too far for that (provided there are spares at IAD). Admittedly I am not totally clear on the inside baseball ops issues going on, but it appears as though there is some hangup there that won't be solved until they can fully integrate everything.

An airplane can be ferried in, but it is virtually impossible to ferry a plane in from IAD and have enough crew duty time to dispatch to Europe. There aren't enough PMUA crew in EWR to cover, so the result is that the flight usually cancels.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-12-04 12:08:34 and read 12346 times.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 7):
There aren't enough PMUA crew in EWR to cover

I thought that EWR was crewed by NYC. Given that sCO metal in IAD, DEN and SFO they must have a surplus of crew there, so why don't they just shift them over to NYC?

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: LHCVG
Posted 2012-12-04 12:55:43 and read 12141 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 8):

I thought that EWR was crewed by NYC. Given that sCO metal in IAD, DEN and SFO they must have a surplus of crew there, so why don't they just shift them over to NYC?

I think you're correct, at least in that EWR PMUA frames are flown by the PMUA NYC domicile crew base. So that is another interesting question. Maybe it's different for these birds than for an A320 crew though?

[Edited 2012-12-04 12:57:10]

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: panamair
Posted 2012-12-04 13:11:36 and read 12057 times.

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
It appears that EWR-ZUR is now a COs 767-400 again these days, with no F cabin

Actually, it gets worse. Effective today until Christmas day, it wil actually be a CO 767-200, not only with no F, but with the old recliner seats in BusinessFirst, and no real Economy Plus section. The 764ER returns only on 12/25 and 12/26, and then it's back to the 762 for the rest of the year, the whole of January, through Feb 3 2013 or so. The 764ER is scheduled to return after that.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: usairways85
Posted 2012-12-04 13:37:26 and read 11938 times.

There are a lot of widebodies down for mtc/reconfigs/painting. A rough listing:
1 - 764 in HKG last flat bed reconfig
3 - 763 in GSO for heavy mx
3 - 763 in HKG for 2 class lie flat reconfig
1 - 744 in SFO for wifi
1 - 744 in PEK for heavy mx
1 - 772 in SFO for mx
1 - 772 in VCV for paint
1 - 772 in PEK for heavy mx
1 - 772 in SFO for premium reconfig


and only 5 762 remaining. Oh yea and the 788s are a mess.

UA started to crossfleet the TA flts but they may have pulled back to let the remaining widebodies go through whatever service is needed. I suspect they will try cross fleeting again when the reliability is up. Although where does the mtc workers contract stand. Can mtc be done on a PMUA 763 in EWR?

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: LHCVG
Posted 2012-12-04 14:01:57 and read 11843 times.

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 11):
Can mtc be done on a PMUA 763 in EWR?

That may actually be the key, which would explain the worrying about mx. If the 763 goes tech, then they have to bring in UA mx folks if it isn't worth staffing some there yet under their own auspices.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: STT757
Posted 2012-12-04 14:07:44 and read 11809 times.

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):

It appears that EWR-ZUR is now a COs 767-400 again these days, with no F cabin

This has mostly been a 764 since the merger, the sUA 3 class 763 is temporary while they complete the 764 modifications. On the other hand EWR-GVA is a solid 3 class sUA route, that has not changed much if any since they first made the switch. EWR-Switzerland does well for UA, and previously CO, due to the pharmaceutical industry ties.

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 11):
Can mtc be done on a PMUA 763 in EWR?

Why not, they're doing sUA 757 work in MCO.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: Roseflyer
Posted 2012-12-04 14:13:24 and read 11775 times.

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 12):
Quoting usairways85 (Reply 11):
Can mtc be done on a PMUA 763 in EWR?

That may actually be the key, which would explain the worrying about mx. If the 763 goes tech, then they have to bring in UA mx folks if it isn't worth staffing some there yet under their own auspices.

For line maintenance repairs, anyone can fix the airplane. Base maintenance is different between the two airlines, but to repair an airplane on the line, either side can fix it. Many outstations are contracted out to other airlines or contract companies.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-12-04 14:48:12 and read 11632 times.

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 11):

Thanks for the insight. So it is very likely that widebody swaps right now (not just on this route but any route) are related to a lack of widebody slack over the winter period, and that the summer schedule is more deferminaive of how the route is performing than a three week sub in January.

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 9):

Good point re crews. I don't know whether sUA is more like DL or sCO in terms of its FAs cross fleet abilities. DL has all crews able to do anything meaning that an FA could hypothetically fly into ATL on a DC9 from SDF and leave on a 744 to NRT. sCO and (until now) AA have separate domestic and international crew. Obviously sUA wouldn't have any international crew at NYC per-merger if they used this setup. Also, other than a few 757s out of IAD, I can't think of any sUA international routes flown by sCO, so maybe they are a bit too stretched to move staff around .

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: goldenjet707
Posted 2012-12-04 16:02:59 and read 11365 times.

Perhaps all that alleged FC business is not really there?! Were it such a great success, I am sure UA would find a way to route planes with FC through these destinations!

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-12-04 16:05:16 and read 11354 times.

Any United crewmember can fly any flight.

NS

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: goldenjet707
Posted 2012-12-04 16:15:40 and read 11315 times.

sUa FA's can work their aircraft and sCO FA's can work their aircraft, so not any United FA can fly any flight!

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-12-04 16:20:55 and read 11294 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 17):
Any United crewmember can fly any flight.

OK thanks.

Quoting goldenjet707 (Reply 18):

sUa FA's can work their aircraft and sCO FA's can work their aircraft, so not any United FA can fly any flight!

I think he was referring specifically to sUA FAs in reference to:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 15):
I don't know whether sUA is more like DL or sCO in terms of its FAs cross fleet abilities

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: VC10er
Posted 2012-12-05 03:40:07 and read 7774 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 13):

I do the EWR to GVA every other month. The last time I flew that route was 5 days ago...it was a 2 class sCO 767 with lie flat BF seats. It has never, ever been a 3 class 767. Only EWR-ZRH.

The 2 United birds at GVA arriving about the same time are 767-3, the one from EWR is in CO livery with UNITED name, the Washington DC flight has Tulip livery and 3 class. Sometimes I take the IAD flight so I can get into F and then take an RJ up to LaGuardia.

IMHO, given the premium pax on the GVA route and competing with LX, United ought to use 3 cabin aircraft all the time. Although even wi

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: brightcedars
Posted 2012-12-05 04:02:49 and read 7624 times.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):
Probably not. Same thing for EWR-BRU, back to a 764 after a stint with a pmUA 3-class 777. Before the merger, EWR-BRU was crying out for something bigger than the 764, but it doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

Whether intentional on the part of UA or merely meeting demand, there seems to be a shift in connecting traffic from EWR to ORD. As EWR-BRU goes back to a 764, ORD-BRU is planned for an up-gauge from a very-often-full 767 to a 777. Might there be a similar trade-off for ZRH?

As far as BRU is concerned, it may have more to do with the shift in offer (AA and 9W dropping out, SN came online) than anything else. SN is probably more inclined to fill its own metal before that of UA.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: N62NA
Posted 2012-12-05 07:55:06 and read 6055 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
I can't imagine that they would want to fly EWR-ZRH on a plane with no first class product on a regular basis. That's just leaving money on the table.

CO was flying 2 class for years on EWR-ZRH and the pax using EWR weren't all up in arms about no F cabin, so apparently the New Jersey market is fine with only 8 F seats on this route via Swiss. I guess anyone wanting F would just use Swiss (either from EWR or JFK).

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 11):
Oh yea and the 788s are a mess.

??????????????

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: panamair
Posted 2012-12-05 09:51:22 and read 5122 times.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 20):
pax on the GVA route and competing with LX,

LX is part of the TATL JV with UA/LH/AC, so they're not competing.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: tommy767
Posted 2012-12-05 10:05:16 and read 4977 times.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 20):

I do the EWR to GVA every other month. The last time I flew that route was 5 days ago...it was a 2 class sCO 767 with lie flat BF seats. It has never, ever been a 3 class 767. Only EWR-ZRH.

It has been a 3-class 763. I saw it on UA.com about 2 weeks ago.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: BMI727
Posted 2012-12-05 10:18:53 and read 4981 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 22):
CO was flying 2 class for years on EWR-ZRH and the pax using EWR weren't all up in arms about no F cabin, so apparently the New Jersey market is fine with only 8 F seats on this route via Swiss.

Maybe or maybe not. It's different when you have no first class product at all. The point is that if you are an airline with some two class and some three class aircraft, Zurich will be one of the three class destinations.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: FURUREFA
Posted 2012-12-05 10:49:10 and read 4750 times.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 20):
I do the EWR to GVA every other month. The last time I flew that route was 5 days ago...it was a 2 class sCO 767 with lie flat BF seats. It has never, ever been a 3 class 767. Only EWR-ZRH.

Incorrect. I used to nonrev on EWR-GVA every couple of weeks this past summer and it was indeed a s-UA 3-class 763.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: N62NA
Posted 2012-12-05 12:06:20 and read 4631 times.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 25):
The point is that if you are an airline with some two class and some three class aircraft, Zurich will be one of the three class destinations.

Well, I guess, unless you are UA flying from EWR apparently.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-12-05 12:48:42 and read 4559 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 27):
Well, I guess, unless you are UA flying from EWR apparently.

As said, this appears to be related to aircraft availability and maintenance concerns. Once there is a joint contract, F could well return to this route.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: FlyDeltaJets
Posted 2012-12-05 22:36:31 and read 4307 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 17):
Any United crewmember can fly any flight.



sCO Crews can only crew a sCO airplane and vice versa.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 22):
Quoting usairways85 (Reply 11):
Oh yea and the 788s are a mess.

??????????????



Maybe a mess would be exaggerating a bit but there are a lot of mechanical delays on the flights. I chock it up to it being a new airplane and crews still figuring out what can just be deferred or what has to be fixed before departures. I flew on one IAH-LAX on Monday (My first time!!!!!!) and the plane came in over 1 hour late from ORD on MX and we were delayed an additional hour leave IAH also due mech to LAX. The very next day there was the mechanical diversion to MSY.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: klwright69
Posted 2012-12-06 03:35:30 and read 4159 times.

The point of this thread really is to reach the conlcusion that adding the F cabin on sCO routes from EWR has not exactly been a great success.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: usairways85
Posted 2012-12-06 05:21:40 and read 4063 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 22):
??????????????

Summed up below...

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 29):
Maybe a mess would be exaggerating a bit but there are a lot of mechanical delays on the flights. I chock it up to it being a new airplane and crews still figuring out what can just be deferred or what has to be fixed before departures. I flew on one IAH-LAX on Monday (My first time!!!!!!) and the plane came in over 1 hour late from ORD on MX and we were delayed an additional hour leave IAH also due mech to LAX. The very next day there was the mechanical diversion to MSY.

It is bad enough the plane was delayed as much as it was but now because it is still new UA is having issues. I believe there is a one-time IAH-AMS flt in Dec, but other than that the 788 won't start int'l flying until the beginning of Jan, let's see how that works out.

My ultimate point is that UA still can't rely on using their 788s to replace other widebody int'l flts to create some additional slack. Hopefully they will get to that point in early 2013.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: N62NA
Posted 2012-12-06 06:58:23 and read 3980 times.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 30):
The point of this thread really is to reach the conlcusion that adding the F cabin on sCO routes from EWR has not exactly been a great success.

Exactly.

The bulk of the real premium traffic is using JFK, now EWR.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: STT757
Posted 2012-12-06 07:02:39 and read 3977 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 32):
The bulk of the real premium traffic is using JFK, now EWR.
JFK's two largest carriers are B6 and DL, neither of which offers International First?

[Edited 2012-12-06 07:03:33]

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-12-06 09:05:06 and read 3891 times.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 30):
The point of this thread really is to reach the conlcusion that adding the F cabin on sCO routes from EWR has not exactly been a great success.

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Not been a "great success" is probably right, but nobody has produced any figures to suggest that it was due to the market as opposed to operational concerns.

It seems that "success" was impeded by internal problems within UA, rather than demand.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 32):
Exactly.

The bulk of the real premium traffic is using JFK, now EWR.

Clearly you did not read any of this thread, where other people cited maintenance issues and crew scheduling concerns as reasons for taking sUA longhaul metal out of EWR.

Instead you just bring up again the EWR basing   

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: VC10er
Posted 2012-12-09 10:10:23 and read 3539 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 22):
Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 26):

Well I guess I have not been lucky the past 5 years. I have a huge client in GVA and do fly UA (and CO Pre merger) and never, ever once did I sit in a 3 class aircraft. Never! Just 3 class to GVA from IAD. I'm really not challenging you or anyone else, but even my 4 or 5 round trips this year have been 2 class, and If i can, i always get row 1 windows. So I would upgrade if it was a 3 class, and I never had the opportunity in or out of GVA to EWR.

Also, Newark is squarely in NJ, but most people I know in NYC were loyal to CO and now UA, it isn't about serving those who live in NJ, it must be at least equal from NYC. EWR, JFK and LGA are the 3 NYC metro area airports.

Also, while LX is in Star and code shares with UA, LX is often more money in J, as it should be given their product and service IMHO. Which to me means UA competes against LX. If I had the choice, I'd fly LX over UA or LX, I just cant spend the premium for Swiss!

So, I am going back to GVA the second week in Jan from EWR, I hope for the first time I get a 3 class bird!  

[Edited 2012-12-09 10:21:14]

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: tommy767
Posted 2012-12-09 10:12:15 and read 3531 times.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 35):

Also, Newark is squarely in NJ, but most people I know in NYC were loyal to CO and now UA, it isn't about serving those who live in NJ, it must be at least equal from NYC. EWR, JFK and LGA are the 3 NYC metro area airports.

Most people in NYC are loyal to DL or B6. People in NJ are loyal to UA.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: N62NA
Posted 2012-12-09 10:20:27 and read 3494 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 33):
JFK's two largest carriers are B6 and DL, neither of which offers International First?

Then the point you bring up is spurious, i.e. nonsense.

My point is that the bulk of the premium traffic that isn't in NJ uses JFK. You can't argue that they don't, as there are a huge number of premium seats to everywhere out of JFK compared to EWR.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 34):

Clearly you did not read any of this thread, where other people cited maintenance issues and crew scheduling concerns as reasons for taking sUA longhaul metal out of EWR.

Please, if you are going to disagree, then disagree, but don't make such claims as "clearly you did not read any of this thread." Thanks.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-12-09 15:12:01 and read 3263 times.

Quoting goldenjet707 (Reply 18):
sUa FA's can work their aircraft and sCO FA's can work their aircraft, so not any United FA can fly any flight!

I meant any sUA FA can crew any sUA flight...

NS

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: deltairlines
Posted 2012-12-09 15:22:16 and read 3233 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 33):
JFK's two largest carriers are B6 and DL, neither of which offers International First?

Nonetheless, nearly every premium long haul route out of JFK has someone offering true International F on it. Heathrow as AA/BA. CDG has AF. FRA has LH. DXB and into the Middle East has EK. Narita has NH. Hong Kong has Cathay. GRU has American.

Just because the two largest carriers there don't offer International F doesn't mean it's not offered.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: N62NA
Posted 2012-12-09 15:54:49 and read 3120 times.

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 39):
Nonetheless, nearly every premium long haul route out of JFK has someone offering true International F on it. Heathrow as AA/BA. CDG has AF. FRA has LH. DXB and into the Middle East has EK. Narita has NH. Hong Kong has Cathay. GRU has American.

Just because the two largest carriers there don't offer International F doesn't mean it's not offered.

Exactly.

But the EWR fans simply can't accept some basic facts and instead try to present counter-arguments to take attention away from EWR's deficiencies.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: VC10er
Posted 2012-12-10 02:05:18 and read 2801 times.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 36):

Premium pax are loyal to the company contracts more than airports or airlines. My guess anyway. My company has Star contracts, if I wanted to fly Delta I'd have to have a better reason other than i prefer JFK and the flight is competitively priced close to UA...it would need to be DL has the only non-stop. Otherwise in the city EWR is just as viable an airport as JFK.

Living and working, flying in and out of NYC from below 23rd st, EWR is often preferred due to traffic being worse (most days) to JFK. As much as we love JFK sent

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 39):

As for international F on UA from EWR I assume is just a matter of time. Certainly not all routes but to at least LHR, FRA, NRT, HK and India. As for GRU, both AA and TAM have F (and TAM's new F rocks) they ought to consider that. If I was the CEO! They would need add a Global First Lounge too (and current United Clubs at EWR are in dire need of renovation) when it comes to lounges at JFK, most are far, far, far better.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-12-10 06:21:36 and read 2654 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 37):
don't make such claims as "clearly you did not read any of this thread." Thanks.

Fair enough, I apologize.

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-12-10 06:28:45 and read 2643 times.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 36):
Most people in NYC are loyal to DL or B6.

I thought that UA+CO still had the majority of Manhattan corporate business, even if DL are closing the gap?

After all Premium Service doesn't fill itself

Topic: RE: UA First Class Cabin: EWR-ZRH
Username: N62NA
Posted 2012-12-10 08:40:58 and read 2536 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 43):
I thought that UA+CO still had the majority of Manhattan corporate business, even if DL are closing the gap?

Where would you get such information about UA (CO)?


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