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Topic: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-11-24 01:28:13 and read 23144 times.

Greetings to all A.net patrons!


Welcome to the 103rd instalment of the Caribbean Aviation Thread. It's that time of the year again where extended families converge from all corners of the globe to celebrate Christmas and the industry that makes it all possible merrily gains its spike in yields. This 103rd thread may very well be the last thread of this current year. For 2012, the Caribbean Aviation Series has managed to produce 10 threads with an approximate cumulative total of just over 2,200 replies of vibrant aviation discussion. We average a new thread every 5.5 weeks.

Cheers to all contributors for making such a feat possible. We wish all airlines serving the region a very prosperous Christmas season.



******NEWS FEED******
LI rumored to be close to final deal with ATR for the new ATR-42-600 series
BW B763 (9Y-LHR) operating POS-JFK and POS-ANU killing 3 of the 4 souls on board
New LI CEO Capt Ian Brunton signals the imminent cutting of possibly 30% of LI route network
EZjet charter operation encounters financial turbulence; licenses to operate revoked
CAL to assist in moving holiday booked EZjet passengers
BW ATR (9Y-TTD) operating BW300 (POS-CCS) exterior engine panel comes off on takeoff
POS and TAB airports to undergo major infrastructural upgrades
Insel Air to codeshare with Surinam Airways
BW 738 experiences slight cabin depressurization while operating BW884 (PBM-POS).
BW's 5th and last ATR-72-600 series (9Y-TTE) delivered to POS base.
Jamaica secures direct flights from 4 different EU territories; first CARICOM territory expected to get 787 service
AA increases GND-MIA to 4x weekly with 738 equipment
B6 begins services to GCM, 3x weekly from JFK and 1x weekly from BOS
DAE begins daily CUR-PBM service with F100 (Nov. 19)
WS commences daily POS-YYZ service with B73G






MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!

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Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-11-24 03:07:44 and read 23122 times.

Thanks for starting the new thread BW424!

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
BW B763 (9Y-LHR) operating POS-JFK and POS-ANU killing 3 of the 4 souls on board

Think you mixed up something here, I suppose your referring to the FlyMontserrat crash?

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
LI rumored to be close to final deal with ATR for the new ATR-42-600 series

Great! would love to hopefully see these in the future.

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
WS commences daily POS-YYZ service with B73G

They also started service to ANU recently

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-11-24 08:41:54 and read 23007 times.

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
BW B763 (9Y-LHR) operating POS-JFK and POS-ANU killing 3 of the 4 souls on board

excuse me? what am I missing, just run to google and wikipedia and didn't find anything?

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: beeweel15
Posted 2012-11-24 14:23:11 and read 22904 times.

Dear Santa,

I want a few 777's and 787's, for CAL/JM Plus a few more Caribbean Carriers to take on the big guys from abroad and less government interference and more Caribbean entrepreneurs to make the aviation industry become one of the best in the world.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-11-24 15:54:09 and read 22841 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 1):
Thanks for starting the new thread BW424!

Your most welcome

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 1):
Think you mixed up something here, I suppose your referring to the FlyMontserrat crash?
Quoting andrefranca (Reply 2):
excuse me? what am I missing, just run to google and wikipedia and didn't find anything?

Yes, an unfortunate error. I have no clue as to how this happened as they were two separate headlines when I typed them. I've informed a forum moderator of the necessary amendments to be made and hopefully it is corrected in quick time. Sorry for any mini-heart attacks any of you guys may have experienced.

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Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-11-24 22:25:07 and read 22751 times.

and now my wish:

"Dear Santa, please keep the prices a little bit low in the caribbean! I know I know most of the airlines are goin' through bad times but LIAT wants almost 300 us for only A 30 MINUTES LEG, DIRECT WITH NO STOPS, this will burn all my plans to visit the eastern caribbean! hope to see some more seirous business there in 2013 aswel" thanks a lot!

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-11-25 07:02:41 and read 22657 times.

Unruly passenger causes plane to land in Trinidad
"A disruptive passenger on aboard an American Airlines aircraft had to be restrained yesterday on a flight from Miami. Police said the Canadian national was subsequently charged for behaving in a disruptive manner while on aboard an aircraft in flight. Jacques Heroux is expected to appear in the Arima Magistrates’ Court tomorrow."
http://guardian.co.tt/news/2012-11-2...ssenger-causes-plane-land-trinidad

Guyana, China sign US$130M airport expansion deal
"The agreement will see the government receiving a concessional loan of US$130 million with the help of the Chinese government, to support the expansion project."
http://www.guyanatimesinternational.com/?cat=17

Suriname wants Air Berlin to fly to Paramaribo
"Confidence in the growing Suriname tourism industry by the private sector has created more interest in bringing reputable international airlines to Suriname.
This spurred the Association of Travelers (VVR) and the Socialist Party (SP) in the Netherlands, and the Association of Dutch Suriname to meet on Monday to plan a course of action to get Air Berlin to fly from Dusseldorf to Paramaribo. Air Berlin flies already to Curacao."

New Virgin fleet to serve region
"Virgin Atlantic has confirmed that its newest aircraft, the Airbus A330-300, will start servicing routes next year, in the Eastern Caribbean alongside the newly refitted Boeing 747-400 aircraft that the airline currently operates."
http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2012/11/.../new-virgin-fleet-to-serve-region/

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-11-25 07:31:49 and read 22645 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 6):
New Virgin fleet to serve region
"Virgin Atlantic has confirmed that its newest aircraft, the Airbus A330-300, will start servicing routes next year, in the Eastern Caribbean alongside the newly refitted Boeing 747-400 aircraft that the airline currently operates."
http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2012/11/.../new-virgin-fleet-to-serve-region/

Was hoping this would happen at some point, Maybe I can finally get my first A330 flight with them, though was really hoping for a non stop from MAN-ANU. I guess we'll see.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-11-25 15:04:36 and read 22522 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 6):
Suriname wants Air Berlin to fly to Paramaribo
"Confidence in the growing Suriname tourism industry by the private sector has created more interest in bringing reputable international airlines to Suriname.

If Suriname wants Air Berlin to fly to PBM, could it be because the surinamese believe fares between Germany and PBM may be cheaper than AMS-PBM?

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-11-25 18:47:53 and read 22448 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 8):

Their fares are OK to AMS but still I don't see why they would want AB there (KLM and PY and now one more isn't it overkill?), one thing I know, it may sound strange BUT there are almost more surinamese in Holland (living close to the border with Germany) than there are in Suriname! this is because in the 70's the dictatorship decided to break free from Holland and people were desperate to flee, the ones who studied in Holland will never forget the short movies showing people crying, doing tantrum scenes at PBM and KLM even sent extras 747's to cater...

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2012-11-26 05:41:51 and read 22320 times.

Yes, thanks for starting the thread BW424!!! I'll start off with my latest photos in the database:



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Cheers,

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2012-11-26 06:57:27 and read 22282 times.

Guys,

I need your help, is there a reliable website that posts passenger numbers handled at airports in the Caribbean? It will be nice if we can compare airports in our region with each other.

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-11-26 08:35:01 and read 22245 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 11):

Guys,

I need your help, is there a reliable website that posts passenger numbers handled at airports in the Caribbean? It will be nice if we can compare airports in our region with each other.

you looking for a miracle there buddy......I can send you BZE if that helps.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2012-11-26 09:17:13 and read 22220 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 12):
you looking for a miracle there buddy......I can send you BZE if that helps.

Thanks Yellowtail but I'm looking for passenger numbers on the Caribbean islands themselves.

Cheers,

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-11-26 13:34:53 and read 22136 times.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 5):

Did you check to see how much of that fare LI will actually receive. Taxes for travel within the Caribbean do great damage to airfares and discourage intra regional travel.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 2):

Yes this had me wondering if one of teh 767s had crashed. Not excatly reassuring given the massive delays in introducing these planes (been sun batheing since Aug/Sept) and the fact that the LGW run is over water for a lenghthy period.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: LimaNiner
Posted 2012-11-26 14:04:15 and read 22119 times.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 4):
Dear Santa,

Dear Santa,

I would love non-stop SFO-MBJ service. No need for a 777 -- a 767 with International First Class seats will do.  

(And, yes, I'm aware that there isn't a market for this... or it would already exist, right?)

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-11-26 14:56:51 and read 22095 times.

Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 15):
I would love non-stop SFO-MBJ service. No need for a 777 -- a 767 with International First Class seats will do.

(And, yes, I'm aware that there isn't a market for this... or it would already exist, right?)

SFO-MBJ and LAX-MBJ could well be fine as UA weekend only, December-April routes.
May even be flown with B737.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-11-26 15:08:20 and read 22081 times.

Well guys, BW's Dash 8s have been retired. I believe the last DHC-8 flight was operated on Sunday gone (9Y-WIZ). Farewell to these great island hopping machines!

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Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-11-26 17:07:27 and read 22025 times.

Guys, disregard my last post concerning the last BW DHC8 flight. That is incorrect.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-11-27 04:34:56 and read 21923 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 14):
Did you check to see how much of that fare LI will actually receive. Taxes for travel within the Caribbean do great damage to airfares and discourage intra regional travel.

Yeah   too bad, now I know why the CEO wants to cut the "uneconomic" routes!

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-11-27 14:26:09 and read 21813 times.

Any ideas when the 767s will fully replace Omni to LGW and on the GEO JFK?

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-11-27 18:22:37 and read 21758 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 20):
Any ideas when the 767s will fully replace Omni to LGW and on the GEO JFK?

From this week 9Y-LHR will be flying to YYZ and then start the GEO-YYZ-GEO flight. 9Y-LGW is still undergoing certification process, not sure if its serviceable yet.
For the time being CAL wll use Omni to NYC and LGW will not be services until the airline gets ETOPS back.

Quoting A388 (Reply 11):
I need your help, is there a reliable website that posts passenger numbers handled at airports in the Caribbean? It will be nice if we can compare airports in our region with each other.

That will be a Christmas miracle right there, most we can get is yearly pax stats from the various airport authorities in the region.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 8):
If Suriname wants Air Berlin to fly to PBM, could it be because the surinamese believe fares between Germany and PBM may be cheaper than AMS-PBM?

I doubt that very much, may be they want to attract a new market for tourism?

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-11-28 00:21:02 and read 21688 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 21):
From this week 9Y-LHR will be flying to YYZ and then start the GEO-YYZ-GEO flight. 9Y-LGW is still undergoing certification process, not sure if its serviceable yet.
For the time being CAL wll use Omni to NYC and LGW will not be services until the airline gets ETOPS back.

The way in which BW is using its 763s baffles me. They have been flying sporadically. I assume this is due to LGW not being operational. This must be costing the airline some good $, especially the LGW route.



BW's frequencies for the winter to North America.

Total of 48x weekly flights into NYC.

POS-JFK - 19x weekly (B738/B763)
KIN-JFK - 19x weekly (B738)
KIN-MBJ-JFK - 3x weekly (B738)
POS-GND-JFK - 3x weekly (B738)
POS-TAB-JFK - 1x weekly (B738)
POS-GEO-JFK - 3x weekly (B763)

Total of 35x weekly flights into South Florida

POS-MIA - 7x weekly (B738)
POS-FLL - 7x weekly (B738)
KIN-FLL - 21x weekly (B738)

Total of 25x weekly flights into YYZ

POS-YYZ - 14x weekly (B738/B763)
POS-GND-YYZ - 2x weekly (B738)
POS-GEO-YYZ - 2x weekly (B763)
KIN-YYZ - 7x weekly (B738)

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2012-11-30 05:42:11 and read 21411 times.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 22):
The way in which BW is using its 763s baffles me.

Totally agreed, it baffles me too. Why isn't Caribbean Airlines making full use of their 76W's?

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 21):
That will be a Christmas miracle right there, most we can get is yearly pax stats from the various airport authorities in the region.

I'm beginning to see that now. Do you have the link to those airport authorities who have these stats available on-line?

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: Inbound
Posted 2012-11-30 09:29:21 and read 21351 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 23):
Totally agreed, it baffles me too. Why isn't Caribbean Airlines making full use of their 76W's?

The main reason as of late has been the lack of foreign instructor pilots availability. Training has resumed as of yesterday and hopefully should be ongoing over the next few months. Expect more frequent YYZ and JFK flights from next week.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-11-30 09:42:40 and read 21438 times.

talking about YYZ, price "war" between CAL and Westjet has started, CAL flooding facebook with 184 USD one way fare with all taxes included!

Rumors: CM cargo manager says there are rumors in PTY about Tiara Air Aruba starting flights to GRU? is it any wonder?

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-11-30 18:51:31 and read 21313 times.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 25):
Rumors: CM cargo manager says there are rumors in PTY about Tiara Air Aruba starting flights to GRU? is it any wonder?

If G3 or JJ can't get Brazilians to AUA non-stop from GRU, let an Aruban airline do it.. Wonder what kind of GRU slots a possible AUA-GRU-AUA service will get.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-12-01 06:34:21 and read 21325 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 26):

The relationship between "modern" brazilian airlines and the caribbean is skeptical! I say that because RG and Vasp used to cater for the islands and used make money on them!

G3 on the other hand left SXM eventhough flights had good loads, at this moment G3 is going through hard financial crises, they just closed webjet a "lower cost" subsidiary of theirs and are being investigated by the national aviation agency! (more than 800 people lost their jobs) so I don't know if their old plan of installing flights to MCO and MIA via SDQ are going to! today my immigration friends told me they sent 1 empty plane with crew to the USA, so let's see what they'll have in mind!

JJ only made a few charter flights to some caribbean islands yeeeears ago, somehow it seems they don't see profit on these flights!

The old "Air Aruba" had GRU, but I was waaay too small to learn any facts! and Tiara air is wanting to grow now that they have a 737, they're are also announcing SXM and other cities in VEN and COL!

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-12-03 15:21:33 and read 21102 times.

Well some good news CAL's 9Y-LGW is expected to fly for the first time on commercial service to JFK on Wednesday. CAL will wet lease a Atlas Air 767 from today till January 6th and then Omni 762 to YYZ on the 18th. This will give CAL pilots time to train on the 763, this is a costly exercise.

LIAT makes a down payment on its new Aircraft
"The shareholder governments of regional air carrier LIAT have made the first down payment on six new 50-seat planes, according to St Vincent and the Grenadines Prime Minister Dr Ralph Gonsalves."
http://www.caribjournal.com/2012/11/...payment-on-six-new-50-seat-planes/

Ok we all know its ATR42 that LIAT is doing for, however, why this big mystery on the exact type?

JetBlue Airways begins new service to Grand Cayman
"JetBlue Airways Corporation, a passenger airline, has started a new service to its newest Caribbean destination, Grand Cayman in the Cayman Islands, from New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport, or JFK, to Owen Roberts International Airport, GCM."
http://www.equities.com/news/headlin...12-12-03&val=781170&cat=industrial

Dominica prime minister defends LIAT investment
"Prime Minister Roosevelt Skerrit has defended the decision of his administration to become a shareholder in the cash-strapped regional airline, LIAT, saying the airline is an important contributor to Dominica’s tourism industry."

Read more: http://www.caribbean360.com/index.ph...ica_news/638696.html#ixzz2E2ArEPqF

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-12-04 02:21:41 and read 20959 times.

Guys I'm sadened to learn that Air Caraibes no longer flies to Brazil? can someone confirm that? on their page BEL is no longer bookable? so that's thw why PY is going to start CAY BEL ?

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 28):
LIAT makes a down payment on its new Aircraft

It was about time!

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 28):
Dominica prime minister defends LIAT investment

He's at moment, right!

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-12-04 14:02:23 and read 20845 times.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 29):

They got rid of their embraer jets so had to stop flying to Cayenne. Thats why PY resumed service to BEL from CAY.


DOM has no choice. When Eagle drops them LI will be the only airline service. They have been suitably rewarded. LI has sharply cut back service to GND,SLU and SKB as punishment. DOM gets a 3rd daily nonstop to BGI. There is no way that some one can convince me that there is as much BGI DOM travel as there is BGI SLU travel.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-12-05 10:12:55 and read 20653 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 30):
They got rid of their embraer jets so had to stop flying to Cayenne. Thats why PY resumed service to BEL from CAY.

ohhh I didn't know that! anyways "bonne chance" to PY!!!!  

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-12-06 05:07:39 and read 20549 times.

Its been a long time coming but finally,
Caribbean Airlines accorded flag carrier status
"It was a doubly sweet experience for Caribbean Airlines on Tuesday when its new Boeing 767 jet touched down at the Cheddi Jagan International Airport for its inaugural flight to Toronto, Canada, and Transport Minister Robeson Benn announced that the airline was now the national flag carrier."
http://www.guyanatimesgy.com/?p=8338

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-12-06 08:24:34 and read 20471 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 32):

Took their own sweet time, but I am happy, it makes much sense.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-12-06 08:47:39 and read 20463 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 32):

Do you see any new GEO non stop routes, maybe GEO-BGI, GEO-ANU, GEO-MIA, GEO-PBM, and possibly GEO-KIN to compete with FlyJamaica?

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-12-06 10:56:19 and read 20424 times.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 34):

Well they already fly GEO-BGI nonstop, but I believe the loads are too low for ANU, PBM and KIN to make those flights nonstop. CAL barely flies to ANU as is from POS. I won't worry too much with FlyJamaica they will go the same road as EZjet, Redjet, CaribStar, Air Caribbean and others within 2 years.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-12-06 11:43:36 and read 20407 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 35):

Most people traveling between GUY and SUR do so overland as there is a ferry service over the Corentyne. So air travel is low. In addition there is also light plane service direct from Ogle to an airport in Pbo so mnay business people will prefer that option.

I agree that Fly Jam is just another EZjet. As patriotic as Jcans are they arent going to risk using an airline which was supposed to have started one year ago, but seems to be encountering difficulties. Think that ship sailed a year ago. Folks are now reconciled to no Jcan airline and will chose which ever carrier suits their purposes. Not being loyal to any of them.

[Edited 2012-12-06 11:45:04]

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-12-06 11:53:52 and read 20418 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 30):
When Eagle drops them LI will be the only airline service.
If. While the ATRs are leaving, AA is in active discussions with other airlines to begin a new American Eagle operation out of San Juan. Hence, flights past the 31-March-2013 closure can still be booked.

Also, the new runway extension allows non-stops to Miami on weight-restricted CRJ-700s or 738s, IIRC.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2012-12-06 18:06:04 and read 20312 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 37):
If. While the ATRs are leaving, AA is in active discussions with other airlines to begin a new American Eagle operation out of San Juan. Hence, flights past the 31-March-2013 closure can still be booked.

I agree with guynam here. Not a matter of if, but when.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 37):
Also, the new runway extension allows non-stops to Miami on weight-restricted CRJ-700s or 738s, IIRC.

DOM is not that large of a market to warrant any airline to operate jet service to/from the US. It's one of those markets AA can afford to loose, just like FDF and PTP. While a plus for LI, it certainly isn't the golden nugget.

Seaborne Airlines has announced intentions to acquire Saab 340's. Let's see how far they go with them.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-12-06 18:12:04 and read 20310 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 38):
Seaborne Airlines has announced intentions to acquire Saab 340's. Let's see how far they go with them.

Seaborne Airlines is exactly the carrier that might be flying as American Eagle starting April 1st.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-12-07 13:51:56 and read 20144 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 39):


The fact of the matter is that MIA and SXM have replaced SJU as a shopping destination. And with limited AA feed thru SJU from cities other than JFK and MIA, SJU is no longer a viable AA hub as most islands already enjoy nonstop service from those cities.

So I do not know why there is so much arm wringing and knashing of teeth with the end of Direct AEagle service thru SJU. Its no longer important, except for DOM, FDF and PTP and they are too small to matter.

Seaborne has already announced major increases in its SJU EIS route and new larger planes (the Saabs). Its pretty much assured that they are the one being chosen.

Cape's small planes remove them as an option, and they have reportedly claimed to have no interest in getting bigger aircraft.

I can imagine that AA is most concerned about its SJU/USVI/BVI routes as these are where most of the activity is. So they will need a compnay with a base in either PR or the USVI.

Maybe Winar resumes DOM SXM service to handle intransits from the USA, who might find ANU inconvenient as its service options are really limited to only NYC/MIA (ATL, and CLT are only 1X/week).

LI will be happy, as will ANU and BGI, which will replace SJU as a hub for passengers flying between the USA and DOM. Dominicans have already begun to weep at the prospect of having no choice other than LI.

ANU and SKB will be served by more LI service as LI seems to have an obsession with building its SJU route. EIS will not provide a market to support SJU due to intense competition from Cape and Seaborne, plus LI has a bad rep in the BVI.

Obviously BGI,GND, POS, and SLU no longer have significant traffric to SJU as LI's SJU flights arent exactly overbooked.

Probably Air Antilles Express might start a SJU PTP route as w/o it neither PTP nor FDF will have same day service from any part of the USA, aside from MIA, as the AF flight leave too early for connections.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-12-07 18:09:19 and read 20063 times.

EZjet says via their Facebook page that they want to restart using Icelandair.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-12-08 08:10:10 and read 19961 times.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 41):
EZjet says via their Facebook page that they want to restart using Icelandair.

they should drop the towel, their brand was too hurt with the recent scandals! I doubt people will book with them from now on!

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-12-08 08:53:50 and read 19942 times.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 41):
EZjet says via their Facebook page that they want to restart using Icelandair.
Quoting andrefranca (Reply 42):
EZjet says via their Facebook page that they want to restart using Icelandair.

Lol these people are just first grade jokers in aviation. I just saw their online petition and basically they blamed CAL for all their problems, saying that CAL matched them tit for tat, using their fuel subsidy with the GEO government aiding and abetting. Then they claimed they had 60% of the market-share by the end of October ( one load of bullocks) and fares were dropped from 600 to 332 and increase market by 9% lol.
So what we have here is a company that blames everyone under the sun for their problems and they take no personal responsibility!! So basically everyone screwed them over and they are the victims in all of this.

They are clearly out of their league and I highly doubt that DOT would grant them any license until their current situation is resolved with their contractors. More so, given the recent fiasco with persons not getting their refunds on November 30th as promised, and a post dated check of December 17th, their entire operational credibility is in shambles.

With the problem they caused no credible Government should grant them an operating license until they show exactly where their finances are coming from, and an exit strategy in case of ceasing operations.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-12-08 09:39:19 and read 19938 times.

Shouldn't GEO get serious and if no Guyanese can provide reliable international air-links (with USA/Canada) see what AA, DL, NK or WS can do for GEO?

If AA isn't interested in MIA-GEO or if Guyana's making harder for AA to fly that route, then as odd as it might seem for DL, FLL-GEO a couple of times per week may be good, specially since DL already has experience w/GEO, DL should only have to worry to ask for a new route to GEO.
While I can't see GEO as a NK destination, after how NK failed in POS, who knows.
WS B737 may have the range for YYZ-GEO non-stop and if WS wants to make GEO a more budget operation, YHM-GEO may even be OK for GEO O/D.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-12-08 18:25:39 and read 19835 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 44):

BW provides very adequate, and more recent reliable service, GEO-POS, BGI, JFK, YYZ, MIA, etc., for many decades now. In addition, DL has been on JFK since 2008. A third player would bring prices down, but I am not sure that the market can sustain 3 carriers long term. I do believe other than the peak periods, Christmas and Summer, the market is catered for.

The only option for a Guyanese airline would be GOG partially or totally owned, otherwise the owner would have to have very deep pockets and some loyalty to that route, as the returns will be slow. Since BW is established on the route I am skeptical on a newcomer making it, in addition the route is a bit seasonal, especially YYZ, although it is growing.

Any kind of idea for a hub would have to be some partnership with BW or a local carrier and would take lots of money to build, what with Copa already established and BW getting there, where would GEO stand?

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: JM02
Posted 2012-12-08 20:22:43 and read 19800 times.

Long-haul, low-cost comes to the Caribbean

XL Airways France is starting service to the islands of Martinique (Tue, Thu, Sun) and Guadeloupe (Mon, Wed, Sat). Flights are from CDG and begin the 15 December, on their new A330-300 configured in a single-class layout with 408 seats.

Prices start at 399€ return, a 30% reduction on normal prices. Air France dominates this market with two flights a day to each island but only one from CDG. Air Caraibes and Corsair who have a code sharing agreement, operate a total of 19 flights to Martinique and 20 to Guadeloupe, all from Orly. The new player brings to four the number of companies on these routes; at a time when traffic growth slows to the French West Indies and with all companies operating on this route reporting losses in the past financial year.

more info at http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...taille-aerienne-des-antilles-.html

LIAT Unveils New Business Plan

The company has lost EC$92.7 million (US$ 26.5 million) in the past five years but with the new plan, the airline expects to realize a “modest” positive net profit margin of just over 2 percent by the end of next year and another 9 percent (or EC$40 million) annually in years to come.

The first part of that plan is the anticipated fleet renewal operation - new 50-seat and larger Turbo-Prop aircraft to service both the existing core markets and an expanding market base that will include countries like Haiti, Panama, Jamaica, Aruba and Punta Cana.

Two dedicated freighters of the same type as the new fleet.

Executive restructuring - reduction from 13 to six.

Cutbacks in under-performing routes in order to increase the overall load factors to an average of 75 percent.

Partnering other regional commuter carriers, on a we sell you fly basis

The creation of its own Maintenance Repair and Overhaul (MRO) facility, which could provide service to the nearly 200 ATR turbo-props in the region.

Plan to be financed by 20 percent equity contribution from major shareholders, EC$787.6 million (US$29.1 million). The remaining funding will come through a long-term commercial loan.

Read more: http://www.caribarena.com/antigua/bu...w-business-plan.html#ixzz2EWXkkTO8

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-12-08 21:06:55 and read 19785 times.

Quoting JM02 (Reply 46):
The first part of that plan is the anticipated fleet renewal operation - new 50-seat and larger Turbo-Prop aircraft to service both the existing core markets and an expanding market base that will include countries like Haiti, Panama, Jamaica, Aruba and Punta Cana.

Something like KIN-PTY or maybe KIN-AUA may not work with 50-seat turbo-prop. PUJ is a purely leisure market, however if airlinks between Dominican Republic and Eastern Caribbean are bad, any non-business traffic may use a PUJ service.

Quote:
The creation of its own Maintenance Repair and Overhaul (MRO) facility, which could provide service to the nearly 200 ATR turbo-props in the region.

Excellent idea. Can't imagine why BW or PY hasn't thought of that yet.
Due to serving others air-crafts and only its own, an airline own MRO unit by itself may be profitable in-spite of that airline flights operational losses.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: ahlfors
Posted 2012-12-09 06:36:19 and read 19703 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 47):
PUJ is a purely leisure market, however if airlinks between Dominican Republic and Eastern Caribbean are bad, any non-business traffic may use a PUJ service.

I don't think PUJ is a viable option for LI. BA already flies their 777 twice a week ANU-PUJ-ANU (coming from LGW) with full traffic rights, and LI flies three times a week ANU-SDQ-ANU. BA prices, service and luggage allowance are considerably better than LI, and hence they pick up quite a bit of the VFR traffic.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-09 06:58:46 and read 19690 times.

Quoting ahlfors (Reply 48):
BA already flies their 777 twice a week ANU-PUJ-ANU (coming from LGW) with full traffic rights

Thats funny because, last year I asked one of the check in guys in ANU if that flight was bookable separate and they told me no! But I Just confirmed what you just said on BA's website, Interesting...

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-12-09 07:08:22 and read 19680 times.

Quoting JM02 (Reply 46):
Prices start at 399€ return, a 30% reduction on normal prices. Air France dominates this market with two flights a day to each island but only one from CDG. Air Caraibes and Corsair who have a code sharing agreement, operate a total of 19 flights to Martinique and 20 to Guadeloupe, all from Orly. The new player brings to four the number of companies on these routes; at a time when traffic growth slows to the French West Indies and with all companies operating on this route reporting losses in the past financial year.

Sadly, these are "launching flights prices" I have being searching the prices on FDF-ORY and PTP-ORY for the last few months, AF TX and now XL charge pretty much the same! but at least with AF you get full mileage!

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2012-12-09 12:19:14 and read 19605 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 47):
Something like KIN-PTY or maybe KIN-AUA may not work with 50-seat turbo-prop.

With regards to AUA, they mean flights from their bases to AUA, just as how CUR is served from POS using the Dash-8-300.

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: ahlfors
Posted 2012-12-09 14:09:32 and read 19609 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 49):
Thats funny because, last year I asked one of the check in guys in ANU if that flight was bookable separate and they told me no! But I Just confirmed what you just said on BA's website, Interesting...

Back when the route started they did not have traffic rights between ANU and PUJ, but I think they've had it for at least a year now.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-09 14:35:09 and read 19588 times.

Quoting ahlfors (Reply 52):
Back when the route started they did not have traffic rights between ANU and PUJ, but I think they've had it for at least a year now.

Well that's good know. Thanks for the info.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-12-10 11:21:34 and read 19402 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 43):

"The reason why a company (EZjet) fails is because the competition matched them and some thing is wrong with that" What did EZjet expect BW and DL to do. Lie back and watch their market flee? Nobody does that.

For this reason alone the DOT ought not to renew their license. If CAL had to use their fuel subsidy to match EZ, which had no such subsidy, then EZ was charging too little to begin with. Given that they wetlease and have no economies of scale they will be hard pressed to prove that their costs are so low.

Dont know what their market share really was. Do know that BW and DL kept most of their passengers, also, to the credit of EZ, arrivals from the USA into GUY increased 19% for the first half of 2012.

BW will keep their fares low, I am sure, so I really dont know why they think that any one will use them, given their terribel handling of passengers who needed refunds. If EZ was serious about resuming service they shouild have negotiated with BW to carry their passengers for an inetreim period, transferring sums paid by passengers over to BW.

Instead there were riots in GEO and in NYC.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 44):

Well DL already services GEO. They have had talks with B6 and with AA. AA apparently isnt interested, unless they get5 a subsidy, and the others dont have planes with the range for GEO. I really do not see why Guyanese will want to use NK. They already failed with the Trinis, and the two markets have a very similar culture.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 45):

The door has closed on a govt backed national carrier for GEO, now that BW has been named as the national airline. Iam sure this is in exchange for maintaining nonstops to YYZ and JFK. The problem for Guyana is that its US business is heavily NYC focused and there really isnt room for more than 2 airlines on that route. B6 would be a more vigorous competitor than DL, but they lack planes with the range.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 47):

LI will ultimately have a larger ATR fleet than BW, so its appropriate that they handling the heavy servicing.


The proposed routes are nonsense though. Haiti will be a social route. . BW has Jamaica and LI isnt getting it, end of story. CM has PTY, and its ditto. Better to feed CM thru POS. LI might consider using SVG Air or Winar to serve AXA and NEV, which I am sure head the list of "social routes" that Brunton is too shy to disclose.

They should aim for a smaller tighter fleet of ATRs flying only key routes at key times. The islands do not have the $$ to subsidy LI so its no point asking them. After they invest a few million into LI there is nothing more to give.

Also when does LI plan to interline once more so that passengers arriving on major carriers thru hubs can visit several islands with out having to mortgage all three kids? That might be a useful market in the first quarter of the year when travel by Cbn people is low.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-12-10 22:17:34 and read 19258 times.

Quoting JM02 (Reply 46):
LIAT Unveils New Business Plan

LI is moving full steam ahead. It's obvious that Brunton has brought his good relationships with aviation third parties to LI and to their benefit. The MRO, which originally was touted to CAL, is now LI's for the taking and rightfully so. I actually look forward to hearing news out of LI because their executive talks sense and means business now. Wish I can say the same for BW, but I can't.


Question for the Guyanese on the forum.....what exactly does the granting of GEO's national flag carrier status exempt BW from?

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-12-11 06:36:01 and read 19184 times.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 55):

With the little knowledge I have BW does not now have to apply to GOG for flight numbers to originate and end in GEO. As far as I know prior to this, each flight leaving from and arriving at GEO has to be from POS unless permission is granted by GOG.

GUYAIR707

[Edited 2012-12-11 07:06:12]

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: JM02
Posted 2012-12-11 13:35:33 and read 19094 times.

COPA is doubling flights to MBJ

MBJ to go from two to four times a week starting December 17. The Copa flight will depart Panama at 9:38 a.m. on Monday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday, arriving in Montego Bay at 11:35 a.m. Return flights will depart MBJ at 12:31 p.m., and arrive at PTY at 2:22 p.m. on Monday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday. Copa inaugurated the route in August 2011 with twice-weekly service. Copa Airlines offers regular service to KIN on Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday.

Delta, JetBlue, AirTran, Air Canada, Copa, Condor and Transaero are among the other airlines that will increase service during this winter season.

Delta Air Lines expands its JFK services to daily from December 15, Apple Vacations reintroduces from 28 January to 1 April 2013 the weekly link from the Greater Rockford Airport in Chicago to Montego Bay, JetBlue will operate two daily flights from FLL to KIN, and AirTran Airways increased from nine to 11 weekly flights from BWI to MBJ.

From Canada, Sunwing Airlines will operate a new flight from Quebec to Montego Bay from December 14, Air Canada Vacations will add a second flight from Halifax to Montego Bay from 13 February to 30 April, from November 30 WestJet Airlines arrives in Montego Bay with a second daily service from Toronto, and WestJet Vacations has introduced new vacation packages from that city to Kingston.

From United Kingdom, Virgin Atlantic and British Airways will maintain three flights each to Jamaica.

The Czech tour operator Exim Tours offer charter service from Prague to Montego Bay from December 28, the same date that Look Voyage, a subsidiary of Transat, reintroduce its nonstop service from Paris.

In addition, Condor has increased in early November its links to two weekly from Frankfurt to Montego Bay, and as of January 1 Transaero Airlines, in partnership with the Biblio Globus tour operator, will begin nonstop service from Moscow to Montego Bay, initially for three months, which could be extended.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-12-11 14:46:26 and read 19062 times.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 55):

As of before national flag carrier status BW flights either had to orginate in POS, and continue nonstop, or pass thru POS, a one stop direct flight to the final destination..

Now BW can have flights that originate in GEO w/o having to continue on to POS or pass thru POS. The GEO POS routre is over served so this allows them not to have to add it unless it makes operational sense. So the 526/527 can run JFK GEO JFK, w/o a continuation to POS on what is most likely an empty plane.

BW may not use this option, but at least its there if they need it.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: wadadli
Posted 2012-12-11 16:28:35 and read 19022 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 37):
If. While the ATRs are leaving, AA is in active discussions with other airlines to begin a new American Eagle operation out of San Juan. Hence, flights past the 31-March-2013 closure can still be booked.

It appears the flights are now pulled from the system as flights beyond March 31st are no longer bookable

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-12-11 16:37:48 and read 19018 times.

Quoting wadadli (Reply 59):

Are you hearing any rumors about how islands like ANU and SKB will be served out of SJU?

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-12-11 18:46:44 and read 18988 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 60):
Are you hearing any rumors about how islands like ANU and SKB will be served out of SJU?

LI flies to SJU doesn't it? they'll have the route all to themselves!

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-12-12 06:04:27 and read 18934 times.

Quoting JM02 (Reply 57):
COPA is doubling flights to MBJ

In other words, at least now CM will offer daily flights to Jamaica.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-12-12 10:04:56 and read 18872 times.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 61):

Yes LI flies this. I was wondering if AA plans to work with LI (who are hard to work with), or if B6 will jump into ANU, as was rumored. And maybe if Cape or Seaborne will look at SKB, working with AA.

LI always seems excited about SJU, but they have an extremely bad reputation in the USA, and those who dont know them, and check up on them online (skytrax) will flee in horror. Any island expecting LI to replace AE will see a massive drop in arrivals (DOM). LI operates as if every one who uses them is merely flying from one island to the other, so can wait around until LI decides to bring their bags.

Not an option for an international traveler who will return to a city not served by LI. And that Caribbean laid back mentality is hard to take when one just arrived in SJU, is racing to get a connecting flight, to find it that LI left the bags in DOM and they respond that the passenger can check back with them IN SJU, the next day to see if the bags are there, of course the passenger has returned to the USA by then.

http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/liat.htm



Mr Brunton needs to work on LI's service issues and the morale of the ground crews it employs (both directly and thru contractors) before he begins his lofty plans for long range flights to the USA.

BTW just to show how hard LI is, their own website has "bookable" flights that probably do not exist, as they do not seem to have decided YET about what their schedule will be after Xmas. How do I know this? Because certain routes have MORE capacity shown after Xmas, than during what is one of their peak periods, and that is just not possible.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: wadadli
Posted 2012-12-12 13:48:20 and read 18787 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 60):
Are you hearing any rumors about how islands like ANU and SKB will be served out of SJU?
Quoting guyanam (Reply 63):
Yes LI flies this. I was wondering if AA plans to work with LI (who are hard to work with), or if B6 will jump into ANU, as was rumored. And maybe if Cape or Seaborne will look at SKB, working with AA.

Lots of rumors but have not heard any convining information coming out of the Antigua/Barbuda Investment Authority nor the Airport Authority who tend to always publicize when they are in deep discussions to attact an airline or route.

Personally, I realy hope B6 takes up the route. I used LI to SJU to connect to B6 in Feb and it was quite a nightmare. They seem to have their following though as the flights were overbooked in both directions. I had an opportunity to look at LI's new business plan this week and in the Opportunity section of the SWOT, the depature of Eagle from the region was highlighted as a significant opportunity for LI to expand its presence in SJU. Certainly, I will give them a miss next time unless there is NO OTHER choice.

B6 can easily make the SJU-ANU with an E90 viable with their increasing number of city connections from SJU and a fair bit of demand into SJU from locals who still do many 1-3 days trips to SJU per year, although I admit there has been a shift towards MIA. Also, it would allow them to enter the ANU market (which they expressed interest in the past) without joining the already well served NYC-ANU route which is already dominated by American and United plus erratic Delta somewhere in the background in a distant 3rd position offereing seasonal 1X weekly flights to JFK. Similarly, I think SJU-SKB, SJU-GND and a few others can work.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-12-12 14:34:44 and read 18769 times.

Quoting wadadli (Reply 64):

I think that part of the reason that LI has a hard time in getting island govts to invest in them is that there is some serious anti LIAT hatred out there. I have noted comments made by Dominicans on various forums. Not good.

They really need to take a good look at their operations and deal with the problems. Its not as if people only just started to complain about them.

Dominica with just LIAT is going to suffer because some people just look at LI and walk away, except for returning nationals and business people, who have no choice.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-12-13 00:25:28 and read 18669 times.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 56):
With the little knowledge I have BW does not now have to apply to GOG for flight numbers to originate and end in GEO. As far as I know prior to this, each flight leaving from and arriving at GEO has to be from POS unless permission is granted by GOG.

GUYAIR707
Quoting guyanam (Reply 58):
As of before national flag carrier status BW flights either had to orginate in POS, and continue nonstop, or pass thru POS, a one stop direct flight to the final destination..

Now BW can have flights that originate in GEO w/o having to continue on to POS or pass thru POS. The GEO POS routre is over served so this allows them not to have to add it unless it makes operational sense. So the 526/527 can run JFK GEO JFK, w/o a continuation to POS on what is most likely an empty plane.

BW may not use this option, but at least its there if they need it.

Appreciate the clarification. I'm guessing for this to happen, a GEO-NA-GEO nonstop needs to be majorly profitable because refueling in GEO is quite expensive.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-12-13 08:44:53 and read 18600 times.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 66):

I guess it gives BW the option of turning aircraft around in GEO, instead of sending them to POS on an empty sector. They dont have to exercise this option if fuel costs negate any advantage. And indeed I suspect they will not except maybe during the Xmas/New Years period when they may need to maximize prodictivity of their fleet by reducing time on gthe ground or flying empty sectors, and the yield then might justify it.

[Edited 2012-12-13 08:47:01]

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-12-13 10:39:46 and read 18559 times.

Well it seem that EZJet is not going to be back up in the air anytime soon as their owner was arrested yesterday on embezzlement charges and now it seems their facebook page is now offline as a result of this.

I mentioned before if the FBI interviews you its very serious, and the mare fact that embezzlement law suit was brought against him, it was only a matter of time before the IRS and the feds are called in.
I hope for all good this season that those people get their monies owed to them and not their airline's account frozen.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2012/new...-ny-on-charge-of-embezzling-us20m/

http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/2012/12/13/fbi-arrests-ezjets-boss/

LIAT’s new business plan
"FOUR major and far reaching decisions, which could impact significantly on regional travel and Caribbean aviation in general, were announced last Friday in Antigua when the airline unveiled its new business plan. They are -:
LIAT will make a small profit of (US)$2.6 million in 2013;

• The airline will acquire new turbo-prop aircraft (50 and 70-seaters, as well as medium-sized jet equipment to assist in its planned expansion programme;

• Enhancement of its cargo operations with the acquisition of two dedicated freighters; and

• Establishment of a Maintenance Repair and Overhaul (MRO) facility at VC Bird International Airport, with the assistance of French aircraft manufacturer Avions de Transporte Regionale (ATR).

http://newsday.co.tt/businessday/0,170579.html

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: beeweel15
Posted 2012-12-13 13:36:30 and read 18489 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 68):
Well it seem that EZJet is not going to be back up in the air anytime soon as their owner was arrested yesterday on embezzlement charges and now it seems their facebook page is now offline as a result of this.

I was just there on facebook it is still up

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-12-13 13:57:11 and read 18477 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 16):
SFO-MBJ and LAX-MBJ could well be fine as UA weekend only, December-April routes.
May even be flown with B737.

US prefers to send those people via IAH.

LAX-MBJ was tried on JM and it struggled.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-12-13 15:59:16 and read 18447 times.

They just announced on the FB page:

"The end of the EZJET is here. The airline has no intentions to restart in future."

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-12-13 20:01:08 and read 18388 times.

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 69):
I was just there on facebook it is still up

Their fb page was down when I checked around mid day and now its back, well EZJet has officially ended and the charade has come to a halt. They even unblocked all the post they have blocked in the past.
But here comes the kicker, EZJet has now told its affected pax to not refund their checks as accounts of the airline has been frozen. As a result of this the Government of Guyana has the responsibility to refund the airline's customers.

I hope this is the last time these fly by night carriers rip off people in the Caribbean, and people become wise.
http://www.demerarawaves.com/index.p...rs-not-to-cash-refund-cheques.html

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-12-13 21:55:22 and read 18363 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 68):
Well it seem that EZJet is not going to be back up in the air anytime soon as their owner was arrested yesterday on embezzlement charges and now it seems their facebook page is now offline as a result of this.

I mentioned before if the FBI interviews you its very serious, and the mare fact that embezzlement law suit was brought against him, it was only a matter of time before the IRS and the feds are called in.
I hope for all good this season that those people get their monies owed to them and not their airline's account frozen.

Amazing to hear of the bacchanalia going on with EZjet. I just saw a youtube vid where the Ag. CEO said her title was just that, a title and she had no access or authority to deal with the situation and felt deceived by Ramdeo. On top of this, EZjet continues to blame and complain about BW and their "poor service" and "below cost fares". Seems that from the beginning, the intent of the airline was always sinister. It really was just a knee-jerk grudge reaction to BW.


In other news, TAB has lost its weekly B744 flight out of LGW with VS effective since the beginning of this month. Sad news, but, not totally a surprise move.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: infiniti329
Posted 2012-12-16 16:40:23 and read 17983 times.

Any developments on BW being ordered to drop the air jamacia brand?

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2012-12-17 05:21:22 and read 17865 times.

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 74):
Any developments on BW being ordered to drop the air jamacia brand?

AFAIK this is no longer required (at least from the T&T aviation authorities' side).

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-12-17 09:31:18 and read 17799 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 70):
US prefers to send those people via IAH.

LAX-MBJ was tried on JM and it struggled.

But JM was mostly leisure O/D.
If UA was to fly non-stop SFO-MBJ, be once, twice per week, UA could gat traffic from its hub, something JM wasn't able to do in LAX when it flew there.
Also JM MBJ hub was sort of a joke and i doubt passengers thought of flying from LAX to the Caribbean with JM.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: trintocan
Posted 2012-12-18 18:15:09 and read 17556 times.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 73):

In other news, TAB has lost its weekly B744 flight out of LGW with VS effective since the beginning of this month. Sad news, but, not totally a surprise move.

Indeed sad to see that VS will drop TAB in March 2013 after the winter season. They apparently asked for subsidies to continue their flights over the winter season. The question is, is GND also going to be dropped or will it be tagged elsewhere? The Thursday flight flies nonstop LGW - TAB, continues to GND and then returns to TAB prior to carrying on back to Britain.

Their pullout again raises the issue of these subsidies paid to airlines and what sorts of investment returns are obtained by doing so - it often seems as though returns are paltry. At the same time, though, the poor world economy is hurting regional tourism and with visitor levels falling all around this sort of development is indeed not surprising. I've read that CUN will be getting an extra weekly flight as a replacement in the VS schedule.

Trintocan.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: Panman
Posted 2012-12-18 22:15:23 and read 17479 times.

Quoting trintocan (Reply 77):

Indeed sad to see that VS will drop TAB in March 2013 after the winter season

They pulled out already. End of November....

pAnmAn
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Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: PWMRamper
Posted 2012-12-18 22:56:33 and read 17484 times.

Was just at SXM, first time there, and first time in the Caribbean.

Had a blast at Maho, here's a couple of my favorite pictures:

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/546485_10200331234107207_1252843825_n.jpg

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/397108_10200331242747423_588788737_n.jpg

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/215079_10200331221186884_1894719449_n.jpg

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-19 01:15:34 and read 17443 times.

Quoting PWMRamper (Reply 79):

Nice Photos! thanks for sharing them, liked the one with the KLM 747!

Im back in the Caribbean as well for the Christmas holidays, will be writing up another report  though it will be a bit similar to the one I had in June.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: trintocan
Posted 2012-12-19 03:50:51 and read 17411 times.

Quoting Panman (Reply 78):

They pulled out already. End of November....
Quoting BW424 (Reply 73):

In other news, TAB has lost its weekly B744 flight out of LGW with VS effective since the beginning of this month. Sad news, but, not totally a surprise move.

I am finding this story a little puzzling. Often when a route is closed there is a fair bit about it in the media but in this case there is very little and what is there is rather contradictory. You good guys have said that VS have already shut up shop in TAB but the few news articles available online indicate closure after the winter season - and a lot of wrangling within the Assembly about the whole matter. Even a website dedicated to VS news has said nothing about this - and that site, along with its sister websites covering other airlines like BA and QF, is always up to date on things like this. One gets the impression that there may be more in the mortar than merely the good pestle.

On another note there is talk that the Assembly is talking with BW about replacing the LGW service.

Trintocan.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: trintocan
Posted 2012-12-19 03:58:27 and read 17411 times.

Another point which could be at play with the VS situation is the recent deal for DL to buy the shares held by SQ. In deals of this nature a full review of the operations and all that would have taken place - and it may well have been that the deal included a commitment to dispense with less than profitable routes. It's still a pity though as TAB loses about 40% of its UK airlift in one fell swoop - perhaps even more given that VS operated twice weekly during the winter (Mon and Thur).

Trintocan.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: Panman
Posted 2012-12-19 07:24:31 and read 17351 times.

Quoting trintocan (Reply 81):
I am finding this story a little puzzling. Often when a route is closed there is a fair bit about it in the media but in this case there is very little and what is there is rather contradictory. You good guys have said that VS have already shut up shop in TAB but the few news articles available online indicate closure after the winter season - and a lot of wrangling within the Assembly about the whole matter.

Very contradictory. This CNC3 video says that they have pulled out already (which is why I said they had already pulled out)

http://www.cnc3.co.tt/news/virgin-airways-pull-out-tobago

Yet the Trinidad Express had various articles which say March. Looking at Virgin's website, tomorrow's VS51 to TAB/GND is still showing. So I don't know....

pAnmAn

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-12-19 12:59:39 and read 17263 times.

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Quoting trintocan (Reply 81):

Even if they get BW to fly LGW TAB (GNDis also trying to get this service) Virgin's travel package generates a large chunk of these UK visitors to TAB. BW will be unable to market TAB (or GND) within the UK leisure market to the same degree. BA has already reduced service to TAB and plans to reduce its GND service next summer.

Apparently these more peripheral Caribbean destinations have felt the impact of the APD, more than the major destinations (ANU,UVF,BGI) so are suffering frrom a major loss of service.

I also note a drastic reduction in international arrivals into TAb, crashing from around 83k in 2006 to a scant 24k in 2010. No wonder they are losing airlift. Replacing VS with BW isnt going to arrest that problem as BW has no ability to create a demand for TAB that VS was unable/unwilling to.

TAB needs to be honest about why they are losing so mnay visitors. Not only are they not growing their industry but they are also losing many of those who visit to other destinations. The THA and Tobago Hotel industry like to whine about "lack of airlift". Clearly it goes beyond that and TAB isnt delivering a product that tourists want. Tobago is not exactly unknown.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: trintocan
Posted 2012-12-19 16:06:45 and read 17189 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 84):
Virgin's travel package generates a large chunk of these UK visitors to TAB.

That is very true indeed, VS were the ones bringing the majority of UK visitors to TAB. ZB is largely used as a cheap alternative to BA (and latterly BW) for T&T nationals based in the UK to return home and with BA it is a bit of a mix. Whether BW would have success on such a route remains to be seen - BW have not been keen on operating purely tourist routes since their formation and I doubt they would be overly enthusiastic to fly TAB - LGW. GND - LGW appears somewhat more likely as there is a larger local market there but again it would take some persuasion.

Over to The Caribbean Airline, LI! Yes, their plans for the future seem exciting. It seems all too obvious to the aviation nuts we all are that ATRs will replace the elderly Dash 8 fleet with a mix of the two models ensuring better fleet fit to the network. As for new routes, I wonder. LI are having so much difficulty maintaining the routes they have right now, is suddenly reaching out to PUJ or PAP a good idea? They need to focus on their core inter-island network and improve reliability on that (the new planes should help there) and hopefully gradually restore lost frequencies as the markets allow. Does anybody know how many flights LI have reduced of late? There has been a lot of talk but all that I have heard for certain is that GND is down to 3 daily flights. The partnership with ATR to set up a maintenance base is a good idea and could well help LI replace the capacity they lost in the tragic fire earlier this year.

Of the routes suggested as "growing" - one wonders indeed. PUJ might work from ANU but BA fly that and LI may well undermine their own SDQ services doing so. Jamaica is BW territory in more ways than one, especially where the somewhat limited regional market is concerned. AUA has few ties to the English-speaking Caribbean and PTY, why go against CM at their fortress hub?

Trintocan.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-12-19 20:12:54 and read 17140 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 84):
Quoting trintocan (Reply 85):

Virgin Atlantic will cut TAB from May next year until the winter again and are asking for 1m pounds to operate the route throughout the the winter and year round for 2014.
Flights to GND and TAB will be operated VIA UVF 2w each from next season, this will be the last season the 747 will be operating to the Caribbean except for BGI with 3w 747 and 4w A333.
I have a feeling when the 789 comes into VS fleet 2014 the 747 will be completely replaced in this region buy the A333 in Summer/winter 2014.

Virgin has been making seat cuts into the Caribbean from the current 747 to the A333 from next year. British travelers are looking for cheaper destinations such as to the Canaries, while this region travel and other expenses are on the rise.

One and many solutions that have been given to improve the competitiveness in this region is the use of All inclusive resorts and travel vouchers that give the traveler a guaranteed maximum price on spending in the region.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...l-w13-caribbean-operation-changes/

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-20 11:00:23 and read 16997 times.

Trip report is up:

Montserrat's Festival 50 Part 1: On BA And SVG Air (by 817Dreamliiner Dec 20 2012 in Trip Reports)

Hope you guys enjoy reading  

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2012-12-20 14:44:51 and read 16937 times.

One of BW's Dash 8 was ferried to the US today 20/12. It passed thru ANU on the way to PLS. New owner perhaps? I believe it was 9Y-WIN. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BWA7508

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-12-20 15:06:37 and read 16909 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 87):

Nice, congrats! I'm sad whe I think I'm not making into MNI on my vacations starting in 11 days, prices are killing, mainly LI prices! it doubled its prices recently! maybe next time!  

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-20 15:33:55 and read 16890 times.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 89):
Nice, congrats! I'm sad whe I think I'm not making into MNI on my vacations starting in 11 days, prices are killing, mainly LI prices! it doubled its prices recently! maybe next time!  

Thanks Andrefranca. That's too bad you cant make it here. The prices are indeed quite expensive, maybe another time!

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-12-21 10:12:44 and read 16691 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 86):

Any idea how many seats the A330s will have?

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-12-21 15:42:19 and read 16616 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 91):

Very good question. I am not sure which A333 will be based where, but they have two configurations
4 A333 in 59W255Y
6 A333 in 33J48W185Y
So my guess is that those in the high config will be servicing the Caribbean from next winter and Orlando.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-21 17:21:19 and read 16589 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 92):
Very good question. I am not sure which A333 will be based where, but they have two configurations
4 A333 in 59W255Y
6 A333 in 33J48W185Y
So my guess is that those in the high config will be servicing the Caribbean from next winter and Orlando.

The 59W/255Y are the one based at MAN and LGW called the "beach fleet" by some here. The other configuration are the LHR based A330s. If I remember correctly, the 2 class A330s will be reconfigured to the 3 class configuration, though im sure the current gatwick based A330s will be serving the Caribbean.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-12-21 17:45:18 and read 16561 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 93):

Yes I heard about the reconfiguration, which is why I was skeptical about which would be where. I did know that those in the high density config will be in LGW and the 3 class will be at LHR, the question is will they reposition the 3 class to LGW also to service countries such as BGI that has a high yield business market from the UK.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-21 17:54:14 and read 16557 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 94):
the question is will they reposition the 3 class to LGW also to service countries such as BGI that has a high yield business market from the UK.

Well it would all depend on how long the reconfiguration takes, but if the Caribbean flights are starting next winter, then VS could have one or two aircraft reconfigured by then...

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: TriniA340
Posted 2012-12-22 12:59:36 and read 16384 times.

Talks seem to be going favourably for Tobago between Tourism Minister Stephen Cadiz & VS officials:

http://guardian.co.tt/business-guard...diz-tt-aiming-500000-arrivals-2013

Quote:
The Government is one step closer to finding a resolution to prevent Virgin Atlantic from withdrawing its weekly flight between London and Tobago from the 2013 summer season, said Tourism Minister Stephen Cadiz as he met with Virgin Atlantic officials on Tuesday.
In early December, Cadiz said Virgin Atlantic had signalled its intention to withdraw its summer service and if that came to pass, it would be a blow to Tobago’s tourism.
In an interview with the Business Guardian on Tuesday, Cadiz said: “Right now, we are in discussions with Virgin Atlantic and Caribbean Airlines with a view to getting that sorted out. In fact, today I had discussions with both of them and it looks as though we have a solution to Virgin pulling their summer itinerary. As soon as that is finalised, we will let all know. I think we have a good solution based on what we were discussing. I think everybody was pleased with what we proposed.”

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: ahlfors
Posted 2012-12-22 13:06:03 and read 16388 times.

This almost sounds like Caribbean Airlines taking over the flight and maybe Virgin Holidays selling it? That could work...

Quoting TriniA340 (Reply 96):
In an interview with the Business Guardian on Tuesday, Cadiz said: “Right now, we are in discussions with Virgin Atlantic and Caribbean Airlines with a view to getting that sorted out.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: TriniA340
Posted 2012-12-22 14:38:07 and read 16362 times.

New airlift to Tobago from Winter 2013:

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/...__coming__to_Tobago-184507601.html

Probably SAS, since they are the flag carrier of Sweden, Norway & Denmark.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BW985
Posted 2012-12-22 15:42:27 and read 16327 times.

Quoting ahlfors (Reply 97):
This almost sounds like Caribbean Airlines taking over the flight and maybe Virgin Holidays selling it? That could work...

My guess is that Caribbean Airlines is to introduce TAB-BGI flights that will connect with the VS flights from BGI-LGW flights. Now that VS have already announced that they will pull out of TAB for the Summer, I don't think that they will change their mind.
Don't think it makes sense for BW to fly POS-TAB-LGW with a big jet. But maybe they will fly POS-LGW-TAB-LGW-POS once a week? Who knows... We shall see what they come up with...

Quoting TriniA340 (Reply 98):
Probably SAS, since they are the flag carrier of Sweden, Norway & Denmark.

I don't think SAS would be interested in a routing like that, it will more likely be Thomas Cook Scandinavia.

BW985

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2012-12-22 17:25:49 and read 16289 times.

Quoting TriniA340 (Reply 98):
Probably SAS, since they are the flag carrier of Sweden, Norway & Denmark.

SAS doesn't do charter flights to the Caribbean. Thomas Cook Scandinavia, does.

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-12-22 23:55:30 and read 16214 times.

"Bad news this year, better news next year."

Those eight words pretty much sum up the past and future for Antigua-based regional carrier Liat, which expects to record a loss of $8.5 million in 2012.

LIAT seeks to end losing streak

On the brighter side, it projects a profit of $2.5 million in 2013 and $14.7 million by 2017.

CEO Ian Brunton and Chairman Jean Holder recently unveiled a new business plan to reverse the carrier's fortunes, a plan that includes revamping and downsizing its management structure to a team of six executives headed by the CEO and upgrading the fleet to 50-seat and larger turboprop aircraft.

The airline, which was established in 1956, making it the longest-surviving Caribbean carrier, has been in the red for several years, losing $7.4 million in 2010 and $15.8 million last year.

Brunton placed the blame on higher fuel costs, combined with lower passenger traffic and an aging fleet, plus high maintenance and employee costs."

http://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-N...r-Liat-seeks-end-to-losing-streak/


LI is definitely the hottest item to look at in 2012. They project a profit for 2013 and really seem to be moving full speed ahead. Exciting to hear of "mid-size jets" to come way down the road. At least they appear to have their priorities set unlike other carriers.  http://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-N...r-Liat-seeks-end-to-losing-streak/



"CAL Chairman: Don’t expect profit soon"

(Trinidad Express) Don’t expect national carrier Caribbean Airlines (CAL) to turn a profit within the next 24 months.

That’s the word from airline chairman Rabindra Moonan.

In an interview with the Sunday Express yesterday, Moonan said the airline had embarked on several initiatives to rationalise assets and turn CAL into a more efficient operation.

Even so, it will be a while before the airline can become a profitable enterprise.

“Caribbean Airlines is at present not performing above the line, but there are many reasons for this situation—funding for the ATR fleet and wet leases to adequately satisfy the demands of the traffic throughout the system are just two instances which have impacted the bottom line. Rest assured, however, that everything is being done to reverse the situation in the shortest possible timeframe,” he told the Sunday Express."


http://www.stabroeknews.com/2012/new...-chairman-dont-expect-profit-soon/

Another CAL article filled with half-truths and paltry facts/analysis by the speaking official. Imagine, this is what BW has descended to. We've gone from developing a respected sustainable and responsible corporate citizen of the Caribbean to a helter-skelter lease frenzy politically abused air taxi now featuring its own BIG planes (yay!) to bring in travellers to POS where gains will not immediately reflect positively on the airline balance sheet, but indirectly on the state's GDP......wow....how delightful (sarcastic tone). It burns my heart to see CAL in this state........but....bullsh### is bullsh###

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2012-12-23 05:17:34 and read 16175 times.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 101):
and upgrading the fleet to 50-seat and larger turboprop aircraft.

Seeing is believing.

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-12-23 05:31:22 and read 16168 times.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 101):

I don't know how price sensitive caribbean people are, but have you checked LI prices recently? I had to cut by 3 destinations on my list cause they're just too expensive, I don't know where they expect to get if pax numbers keep dropping, saddly they know people don't really have a choice!  

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-12-23 16:24:32 and read 16031 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 102):
Seeing is believing.

I agree. But, I still think LI should be give a good positive outlook as they are talking sense.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 103):
I don't know how price sensitive caribbean people are, but have you checked LI prices recently? I had to cut by 3 destinations on my list cause they're just too expensive, I don't know where they expect to get if pax numbers keep dropping, saddly they know people don't really have a choice!

I hear your frustration. One thing that must be said is that Brunton himself has identified those challenges and what are creating those challenges. Rome wasn't built in one day and a new, mean and lean LI isn't any different. The first step to turning around the corner is recognizing your weak areas, their causes and tailoring a plan that can hopefully mitigate/eradicate those weak areas. I'd say look at LI about 2.5 yrs from now provided Brunton and management is allowed free and full reign over ops and hopes of reduced taxes materialize.

I remember when the new BW started, people were still in their backward mindsets about the carrier with all sorts of reasons why CAL wouldn't succeed. Albeit the current political climate that has ruined the carrier, BW was very successful up to that mid 2010 point. Everything takes time and personally, I'm seeing the right signs for a much better LI in the medium term.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-12-24 12:27:45 and read 15801 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 92):
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 93):

I assume the high density seating will be used. I get the impression that BA and VS attract a very different market. VS getting the more price conscious folks who dont want charters. BA the more upscale and the VFR. So as BA offers a premium product tosome islands like BGI and UVF/POS, I doubt that VS will

Quoting TriniA340 (Reply 98):

More likely a Scandinavian charter.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 103):

There is a very boring and unending discussion by Caribbean govts about "high intra regional fares". What is not discussed is that 40% of this fare is due to taxes levied by these govts. While they scream at the UK govt for "stifling" travel between that country and the Cbn, they happily stifle intra regional travel by doing the same thing. SXM is a particularly bad example of this.

So what can be a lucrative market (multi destination tourism) by people originating from outside of the region is stifled. They all blame LIAT, but I am confident that if some one does an inflation adjusted fare comparison of current levels with 2000, one will note that fares (excluding taxes) have not significantly increased.

So people wanting to visit several Cbn islands, much as many visit several Hawaiian islands, or several European countries, cannot do so.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-12-24 21:36:07 and read 15677 times.

A very Merry Christmas to all our contributors and observers!!

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-25 05:19:44 and read 15592 times.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 106):
A very Merry Christmas to all our contributors and observers!!

Merry Christmas to you and everyone else!  
Quoting guyanam (Reply 105):
I assume the high density seating will be used. I get the impression that BA and VS attract a very different market. VS getting the more price conscious folks who dont want charters. BA the more upscale and the VFR. So as BA offers a premium product tosome islands like BGI and UVF/POS, I doubt that VS will

While that may be true, i'll find it very strange if they didn't offer upper class on these routes, but who knows...

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-25 18:49:01 and read 15465 times.

Just found this video of a CAL 767 doing a touch and go at ANU. Anyone know when this was and which aircraft (reg) it was?

http://youtu.be/SEVoSPuMqKs

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-12-25 19:22:02 and read 15432 times.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 106):

Merry Christmas to everyone!! Got some snow out in Long Island last night and some more are likely tomorrow.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 105):
I get the impression that BA and VS attract a very different market. VS getting the more price conscious folks who dont want charters.

I get that impressions also, however it seems from the link in this forum VS will indeed reposition a 3 class A333 to service BGI from next year.

Quoting TriniA340 (Reply 98):
Quoting A388 (Reply 100):

I get the feeling that its Thomas Cook, it is indeed much needed lift for the winter and hopefully that they can convince VS to have 2w A333 from next winter.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 108):

It was done in October I believe when they were doing transatlantic proving flights.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-26 06:28:00 and read 15350 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 109):
It was done in October I believe when they were doing transatlantic proving flights.

Interesting, thanks.


Read this from a thread in this forum, I assume this is the same thread 484 was referring to:

Virgin LGW Fleet Update (by cipango Dec 25 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 5):
G-VINE will be reconfigured in March, in time for operating trips to BGI throughout the summer. G-VKSS and G-VSXY will be reconfigured in September and October. They will then be rotated between LHR and LGW on higher yielding routes to the Caribbean as well as LHR to JFK/ORD/BOM/DEL/IAD/BOS/MIA

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2012-12-28 17:23:34 and read 14990 times.

Dominica becomes LIAT shareholder

ROSEAU, Dominica, Dec 28, CMC – Dominica will attend its first shareholders meeting of the regional airline, LIAT, on Friday after making an initial payment of three million dollars (One EC dollar = US$0.37 cents) to the cash-strapped Antigua-based airline, Prime Minister Roosevelt Skerrit has announced.

Skerrit along with financial secretary Rosemund Edwards are attending the shareholders meeting in Barbados.

Prior to his departure, Prime Minister Skerrit defended the decision to put funds into the airline, whose other shareholder governments are Antigua and Barbuda, St. Vincent and the Grenadines and Barbados.

“The government of Dominica has made a payment to LIAT in the amount of three million dollars that will go towards our contribution and participation in the redevelopment of LIAT.

“As we have maintained we see this as an important venture. We recognise that LIAT itself has certain challenges, but the question is which airline in the world does not and we believe from a government standpoint we are looking at a wider benefit of LIAT to Dominica and the wider Caribbean,” Skeritt said.

Prime Minister Skerrit, who has promised to address the nation on the issue, said Dominica regards the investment in LIAT as a means of “safeguarding and protecting the investments the government has made in tourism ....”

“So Dominica shall attend the shareholders meeting in Barbados on December 28 and so we will be able to sit on board and assist with the continued presence of LIAT flying into Dominica and the wider region,” he added.

Earlier this month, LIAT unveiled a new business plan it said would help reverse an EC$43 million loss last year while projecting a two per cent profit in 2013.

Recently appointed chief executive officer Ian Brunton said that the airline is expected to record EC$23 million in losses at the end of this year.

“The projections show strong revenues and significant bottom line improvement. LIAT is projected to reverse its current losses and record a profit of EC$7 million in 2013 and by 2017, profits in excess of EC$40 million are projected,” said Brunton, who noted that since 2009, the airline has had to deal with high fuel costs and lower passenger traffic that has seriously affected its finances.

In 2010, LIAT recorded losses of EC$20.2 million, which increased to EC$43 million in 2011 “largely driven by higher fuel costs combined with lower passenger volumes”.


http://www.nationnews.com/articles/v...dominica-becomes-liat-shareholder/

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2012-12-30 06:29:42 and read 14722 times.

LIAT given green light to purchase new aircraft


Shareholder governments of the regional airline, LIAT, have given the green light to plans to renew the airline’s aging fleet and the expansion of its operations.

The shareholders-St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Dominica, Barbados and Antigua and Barbuda- met here on Friday and according to St. Vincent and the Grenadines Prime Minister Dr. Ralph Gonsalves, part payments have already been made for the new planes.

“We have made some payments already some shareholder governments towards the fleet renewal and the idea is to have a mix of 48 and 68 seaters between next year and 2014,” Gonsalves said, adding LIAT was also looking at a mixture of purchasing and leasing the French-made aircraft.

“We have given a tentative yes to the board exploring a jet service beyond the 68 seaters and we are looking for strategic partners in that regard,” he added.

Antigua and Barbuda’s Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer described the meeting as “a sort of watershed if you like in the history of LIAT in the sense that we have now come to terms with the fact that LIAT is a living organism in this region and in order for us to become or remain relevant and to be able to deliver the service for this region then we have to move in a particular direction”.

Dominica which recently became the fourth major shareholder of the Antigua-based regional airline defended its decision to pump millions of dollars into the cash-strapped company.

“I have asked those who criticise us to close their eyes for a few seconds and picture LIAT not flying to Dominica for one day, not for one week, for one day and one can appreciate the implications for our economy whether it is bringing people into Dominica or getting people out of Dominica or getting our agricultural produce out of Dominica.

“The Dominica government recognises that we cannot continue only having Barbados, Antigua and Barbuda and St. Vincent and the Grenadines carrying the weight of this very important element of the economy,” Prime Minister Roosevelt Skerrit said.

Barbados Prime Minister Freundel Stuart, said his island is committed to the efficient functioning of LIAT and that his administration would make sure that opportunities for wastage were minismised and that the airline remained viable.

“And, it can only remain viable if it is financed, and Barbados, therefore, has had no difficulty in committing itself to that course of action. So, as the largest shareholder at the present time we felt that it was our duty to live up to our regional obligations and we are doing just that,” he added.

“LIAT, over the last 56 years has contributed in no small way to the deepening of the regional integration movement, making regional integration not an abstraction but a lived experience for the people of the Caribbean.

“And, since Barbados has always been in the forefront of promoting regional integration, of course we have a natural attachment to LIAT and its success,” Stuart said.

Recently appointed chief executive officer, Captain Ian Brunton, said a decision had been taken to reduce the “number of airplanes that we are going to immediately purchase to five” resulting in a savings of millions of dollars.

“We are definitely getting four starting somewhere between May or June 2013 but we are looking to change the entire fleet and have 12 new airplanes by the end of 2014,” he said, adding that the company has negotiated a commercial loan “that will be very favourable because of the significant developmental effort that LIAT makes in the region” in order to carry out its expansion plans.

LIAT flies to 21 destinations in the region and has 1,000 flights weekly.

http://www.antiguaobserver.com/?p=85728

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-12-30 06:48:19 and read 14709 times.

I'm surprised to see that at least on this matter, some caribbean nations are getin' together! this is the chance to LI recovers itself, now more than ever no time for silly mistakes!

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 112):
“And, since Barbados has always been in the forefront of promoting regional integration, of course we have a natural attachment to LIAT and its success,” Stuart said.

OHHHH REALLY? Are your immigration officers at BGI aware of this Mr. Stuart? haaaammmm waaaait... eehmmm better stay quiet otherwhise they'll fingerape me! LOL  

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: turk223
Posted 2012-12-30 22:47:28 and read 14562 times.

Not a very profound addition to the forum, but just gotrback from a trip back home and got to fly Caribbean's ATR POS-BGI-POS; really impressed with the whole thing from the service at check-in, on-board, and the punctuality! However, I can't imagine a drinks serrvice would be a bad idea... Caribbean is a very different animal from the BWIA I remember!

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-12-31 00:23:40 and read 14548 times.

Quoting turk223 (Reply 114):
Not a very profound addition to the forum, but just gotrback from a trip back home and got to fly Caribbean's ATR POS-BGI-POS; really impressed with the whole thing from the service at check-in, on-board, and the punctuality! However, I can't imagine a drinks serrvice would be a bad idea... Caribbean is a very different animal from the BWIA I remember!

Glad to hear you had a good experience. Nowadays, it's a hit and miss with their service. Sometimes they are on point and other times they leave a lot to be desired; all symptoms of almost non-existent executive team. But kudos to CAL for making your trip an enjoyable one.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 111):
Dominica becomes LIAT shareholder
Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 112):
LIAT given green light to purchase new aircraft

Appreciate the articles LFT! I'm glad to see a territory realizing the importance of LI to its economy and tangibly contributing to its survival. So by May/June 2013 they sould have 4 new ATRs or is it when they plane to start receiving them? Either way, I would imagine flight crews being removed from the roster as we speak to start initial training on the ATRs.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-02 05:47:31 and read 14233 times.

Hello All,

First of all, Happy New Year. May we all have a prosperous 2013!!! Due to fatherhood, I'm not going through the forum that much anymore but here are my latest photos added to the database (some of them have been on the site for some time now though):



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Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-01-02 06:17:29 and read 14210 times.

Heres a trip report Just posted today About St Kitts and Nevis, Its an interesting read, hope you guys enjoy:

Caribbean Bliss. Exploring St.Kitts & Nevis (by Widebodyroga Jan 2 2013 in Trip Reports)

And heres mine from December for anyone who hasn't read it yet, No Part 2 will be posted Unfortunately:

Montserrat's Festival 50 Part 1: On BA And SVG Air (by 817Dreamliiner Dec 20 2012 in Trip Reports)

Quoting A388 (Reply 116):

Great Photos again A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-01-02 17:39:42 and read 14046 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 111):
Dominica becomes LIAT shareholder

You think If I got the Gov't of Belize to kick in $3million to LIAT that I could get them to fly one of those (soon coming) ATRs over here  

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: QF108
Posted 2013-01-05 19:14:40 and read 13674 times.

Completely off any of the above related topics but would somebody kindly out there provide a list of the current Air Sunshine aircraft registrations please.
Many thanks
Mark

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2013-01-06 06:36:20 and read 13562 times.

Hey guys I'm off for a while, I'm in central america on vacations! will try to do some "mini trip reports" if possible! happy 2013!

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: inbound
Posted 2013-01-06 10:49:50 and read 13479 times.

CAL is expected to operate its first flight to LGW on Jan 8th using its own equipment and crew.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-01-06 10:52:27 and read 13463 times.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 120):
Hey guys I'm off for a while, I'm in central america on vacations! will try to do some "mini trip reports" if possible! happy 2013!

Hope you enjoy your trip!

Quoting inbound (Reply 121):
CAL is expected to operate its first flight to LGW on Jan 8th using its own equipment and crew.

Its about time....

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-01-06 13:07:59 and read 13437 times.

Seems like UA is dropping PAP and CUR all together.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-06 17:16:58 and read 13386 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 123):
Seems like UA is dropping PAP and CUR all together.

CUR seasonal service just started.

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-07 04:23:01 and read 13272 times.

Just checked the system and UA will fly to CUR until mid August of this year (as they always do).

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-01-07 05:59:44 and read 13248 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 125):

Just checked the system and UA will fly to CUR until mid August of this year (as they always do).

Its is another thread.....it is being discountined with the next OAG update.

From a poster in the "UA discontinues..." thread
In addition United will discontinue service to 3 markets entirely

o Port-au-Prince, Haiti
o Willemstad, Curacao
o Del Rio, Texas.

As the internal notification regarding all these route discontinuation stated - these routes have been unprofitable, and a big focus is on placing aircraft in markets that provide the best financial performance.

[Edited 2013-01-07 06:04:35]

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-01-07 06:06:48 and read 13292 times.

This will just leave AA as the sole legacy carrier in CUR right?

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-07 06:26:25 and read 13283 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 126):
Its is another thread.....it is being discountined with the next OAG update.

From a poster in the "UA discontinues..." thread
In addition United will discontinue service to 3 markets entirely

o Port-au-Prince, Haiti
o Willemstad, Curacao
o Del Rio, Texas.

As the internal notification regarding all these route discontinuation stated - these routes have been unprofitable, and a big focus is on placing aircraft in markets that provide the best financial performance.

I just checked it again and yes, the route will be cancelled starting April (in any case not immediately).

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-01-07 07:33:28 and read 13245 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 128):
I just checked it again and yes, the route will be cancelled starting April (in any case not immediately).

I just don't understand how UA could not get this to work...didn't they also pull AUA?

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-07 07:56:53 and read 13232 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 129):
Quoting A388 (Reply 128):
I just checked it again and yes, the route will be cancelled starting April (in any case not immediately).


I just don't understand how UA could not get this to work...didn't they also pull AUA?

That is a good question, AUA is still operated daily and on saturdays UA has about 6 flights to AUA during high season.

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-07 08:26:44 and read 13223 times.

Hello guys,

In below link you will see my latest aircraft photo in the database:



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The 747 is still huge when standing close to it!!!

Cheers,

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2013-01-09 13:28:40 and read 12898 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 129):

Before I get stabed lol, let me state that I love the islands, I've been to both more than 2 times each, but heeeemmmm IMHO, once again IMHO, AUA may be a little bit expensiver (I personally found accommodation in AUA cheaper) but it's small and you can walk nearly everywhere, at least in town and beaches, and the beaches are one besides the other, you can even walk to the airport depending on where you hotel is... in CUR which can be nicer than AUA, you need a car and time to move here and there, and if you don't know the island? GPS? We'd need to listen from UA hub lol....


Cheers from Costa Rica, !!!!!Pura vida!!!!!

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-01-10 10:13:39 and read 12734 times.

A Happy New year to all our members

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 126):

I can't believe they cannot make PAP work out of NYC even once per week? CUR also? The Haitian diaspora out NYC is second to South Florida, but again it's really a surprise they cannot get the yields from EWR.

Quoting inbound (Reply 121):

Yeah I saw from this week they will deploy the 767 to their regular service, hopefully they will realize better efficiencies.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 122):

Nice trip report.

Quoting A388 (Reply 131):
Quoting A388 (Reply 116):

Nice pics once again A388.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2013-01-10 10:35:09 and read 12719 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 133):
I can't believe they cannot make PAP work out of NYC even once per week? CUR also? The Haitian Diaspora out NYC is second to South Florida, but again it's really a surprise they cannot get the yields from EWR.

Agree. NYC-PAP isn't for RJs but surely UA could get a much better revenue of an older B737 on a EWR-PAP route than anywhere domestic.

Well, we might see CM PAP and CUR flights bearing UA code-share soon, if not right-now.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2013-01-10 11:35:53 and read 12696 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 134):

I thought that EWR PAP would work because of the feed out of Boston. That is the third largest Haitian community behind So FL and NY/NJ.

Maybe Haitians remain wedded to AA.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-01-10 13:00:06 and read 12675 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 134):
Agree. NYC-PAP isn't for RJs but surely UA could get a much better revenue of an older B737 on a EWR-PAP route than anywhere domestic.
Quoting guyanam (Reply 135):
I thought that EWR PAP would work because of the feed out of Boston. That is the third largest Haitian community behind So FL and NY/NJ.

Well we all thought wrong apparently, because UA seemingly cannot maintain PAP flights out of EWR/NYC.? I was a little wrong in that NYC (which will have to include NJ) has the largest Haitian Diaspora accounted by INS, the data is NYC, So Fl, BOS then if you account for all of the surrounding areas in North East, that is NYC/EWR/PHL/D.C. its a rather large share. Then we have to account for the possible connections in Toronto as EWR is a Star Alliance hub.

So in all this I am still surprised that they are not able to capture a good share and maintain high yields on this market.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2013-01-11 08:46:54 and read 12508 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 136):

Well Haitians might be very loyal to the AA brand so those from BOS might prefer connecting thru MIA instead of EWR. Most Haitians in the NY area live in Brklyn,Queens and Long Island so JFK is preferred. Its probable that the lopcal NJ and Rockland market wasnt large enough and maybe the NGOs have contracts with AA.

Interesting that DL (another new carrier) seems to be holding on for the time being.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: westindian425
Posted 2013-01-12 00:22:04 and read 12376 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 137):
Well Haitians might be very loyal to the AA brand so those from BOS might prefer connecting thru MIA instead of EWR. Most Haitians in the NY area live in Brklyn,Queens and Long Island so JFK is preferred. Its probable that the lopcal NJ and Rockland market wasnt large enough and maybe the NGOs have contracts with AA.

Interesting that DL (another new carrier) seems to be holding on for the time being.

I'm actually surprised that UA is the only airline that really hasn't done much with JFK outside of the LAX/SFO PS flights. Every other major with hubs in the NYC metro area have significant service in all three airports. That being said, Kennedy is slot-controlled.

Happy New Year to everyone. I know I'm scarce these days...lol

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BW424
Posted 2013-01-16 00:05:48 and read 11921 times.

Quoting inbound (Reply 121):
CAL is expected to operate its first flight to LGW on Jan 8th using its own equipment and crew.

Congrats to BW at finally getting their B763s up and running on the LGW route. I'm told that ETOPS 180 was given. The BW904/5 flight was a proving flight or a rev....As 484 said, hopefully better efficiences are realized in their operations over the next several months. BW still has a long way to go to rebuild what they had in mid Q2 2010, but at least this is one less headache the airline has to put up with (sort of).

Been hearing that the 763 will be deployed on BW 480/1 POS-FLL-POS....don't know how true that is and I'm assuming that if it is true, its all for utilization and crew training factors and not capacity.......

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-01-17 02:44:03 and read 11708 times.

Its now official, Liat orders 3 ATR 42-600s, check the delivery date! :O

http://www.atraircraft.com/newsroom/...ress-releases-details-1204-en.html

Quote:
ATR and the Caribbean carrier Leeward Islands Air Transport Services (LIAT) today announced the signature of an agreement for the purchase of a total of three 48-seats ATR 42-600s. The deal also includes options for two 68-seat ATR 72-600, and is valued at over US$ 100 million. LIAT will take delivery of their very first ATR 42-600 in June 2013.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-17 04:29:31 and read 11665 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 140):
Its now official, Liat orders 3 ATR 42-600s, check the delivery date! :O

Great news 817Dreamliiner and looking forward to seeing their brandnew ATR42-600 in CUR!!! Please let me know when the first flight to CUR is!!!

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2013-01-17 06:30:04 and read 11618 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 140):

wow that soon!  

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-01-18 03:40:30 and read 11444 times.

Ramiz: It’s Not True That DAE Has Canceled All Its Flights To St. Maarten And Bonaire
"Persistent reports that Dutch Antilles Express (DAE) has cancelled all its flights to Sint Maarten and Bonaire during the day yesterday, are absolutely not true, according to CEO of the aviation company Nelson Ramiz."
http://www.curacaochronicle.com/loca...flights-to-st-maarten-and-bonaire/

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2013-01-18 07:31:41 and read 11385 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 143):

Dae always seemed strange to me, they're often on the news somehow...

well "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-18 07:51:05 and read 11380 times.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 144):
Dae always seemed strange to me, they're often on the news somehow...

You forget to add that DAE is more in the news... LATELY (meaning not always). Caribbean-based airlines always have their periods where they make the news more often than usual. DAE in that regard is no different than Caribbean Airlines, Air Jamaica, Insel Air or LIAT. They all have there spot lights at times.

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2013-01-18 09:54:15 and read 11320 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 140):

Its now official, Liat orders 3 ATR 42-600s, check the delivery date! :O

Could be as many as 6 in 2013 with one per month from June. Anyone remembers what delivery route the CAL's ATR's took? It was mentioned here on a thread sometime ago but I can't find it.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-18 10:07:00 and read 11322 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 146):
Anyone remembers what delivery route the CAL's ATR's took? It was mentioned here on a thread sometime ago but I can't find it.

Probably it will be routed via Africa (Azores) to South America (Recife, Brazil) and onwards to the Caribbean (LIAT). The wind direction also plays a role because the winds can favour a North American routing as well. It all comes down to which routing has the least fuel consumption.

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: JM02
Posted 2013-01-18 10:21:43 and read 11313 times.

Fly Jamaica is ready to fly

Excerpt from the Jamaica Gleaner: After 14 months of working assiduously to meet rigorous regulatory aviation requirements, Fly Jamaica Airways will officially take to the skies on Friday, January 25, with its inaugural flight scheduled to depart for the John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York. Fly Jamaica Airways will operate four flights weekly from Kingston and services will include two checked bags, free meals on all flights and service in all cabins.

Chief Operating Officer Captain Lloyd Tai revealed plans to to acquire an additional aircraft by year-end to bring its fleet to two. http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20130118/news/news1.html

As is the case in the Caribbean, there has been little or no investigative journalism. This might as well be a media announcement. Two weeks before the first flights and the airline's website is not up; in-fact if you type in http://ww.fly-jamaica.com you will be brought to Air Guyana website, with pictures of a Cessna Caravan and 172.

With only 4 flights a week, its hard to see how they will be making any money. Unlike RedJet which generated massive public interest, Fly Jamaica has only 7000 likes, which is hardly a groundswell of enthusiasm. I also expect that the Guyanese will be quite circumspect about yet another company with only a single Aircraft.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-01-18 10:50:29 and read 11293 times.

Quoting JM02 (Reply 148):
Excerpt from the Jamaica Gleaner: After 14 months of working assiduously to meet rigorous regulatory aviation requirements, Fly Jamaica Airways will officially take to the skies on Friday, January 25, with its inaugural flight scheduled to depart for the John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York.

Well, its about time... though that date is a bit close dont you think?

Quoting JM02 (Reply 148):
Chief Operating Officer Captain Lloyd Tai revealed plans to to acquire an additional aircraft by year-end to bring its fleet to two. http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20130118/news/news1.html

Only to two?????

Quoting JM02 (Reply 148):
Two weeks before the first flights and the airline's website is not up; in-fact if you type in http://ww.fly-jamaica.com you will be brought to Air Guyana website, with pictures of a Cessna Caravan and 172.

Hmmm and they are gonna get bookings beofre the 25th how?? Are they doing it the old fashioned way? As some of my friends would say: Not a Good look....

Quoting JM02 (Reply 148):
With only 4 flights a week, its hard to see how they will be making any money. Unlike RedJet which generated massive public interest, Fly Jamaica has only 7000 likes, which is hardly a groundswell of enthusiasm. I also expect that the Guyanese will be quite circumspect about yet another company with only a single Aircraft.

Hmmm we'll see how long they last....

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-18 11:56:01 and read 11282 times.

Hello guys,

I think you might like my latest photos added to the database:



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It was a very unique experience for me as I was allowed to enter the aircraft too due to me becoming totally soaked by the rain and (I should have known)... oil dripping from the aircraft's wings!!! It was funny to see how much water penetrated the aircraft inside and all the buckets that were placed to catch the rain water.

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-01-18 15:36:36 and read 11223 times.

Quoting JM02 (Reply 148):
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 149):

Well can only wish them the best, this industry is rough. Someone said it they have an uphill battle.

Quoting JM02 (Reply 148):
With only 4 flights a week, its hard to see how they will be making any money. Unlike RedJet which generated massive public interest, Fly Jamaica has only 7000 likes, which is hardly a groundswell of enthusiasm. I also expect that the Guyanese will be quite circumspect about yet another company with only a single Aircraft.

Guyanese certainly not after the EZjet fiasco and we saw how aggressive DL and BW were in the market. It will be an interesting year to say the least since last year we had Redjet and EZjet.

Quoting A388 (Reply 150):

What was she doing in CUR? Nice pics

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 146):

As A388 mentioned the a/cs went to African west coast, Brazil (REC), Guyana then POS.

BTW the second CAL Dash 8 left for Canada yesterday.
CAL is finally operating all flights to LGW on their own 767 plus the GEO-JFK service, YYZ would be added sometime in February.

Quoting A388 (Reply 147):

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2013-01-21 08:20:41 and read 10836 times.

Air Lease Corp : Air Lease Corporation Announces Lease Placement of Two New ATR 72-600s to LIAT


Air Lease Corporation (NYSE: AL) announced today that LIAT (Leeward Islands Air Transport) and ALC signed long term lease agreements for two (2) new ATR 72-600 aircraft, delivering in June and August 2013.

Antigua-based LIAT is owned by 11 different governments in the Eastern Caribbean, and is the major scheduled airline operator in that region.

"We are very pleased to add LIAT to our growing list of airline customers, and solidify ALC's market position," said Kishore Korde, Senior Vice President of Air Lease Corporation.

"The new generation ATR-72-600 is an essential component of our progressive fleet modernization, as we upgrade to these economical and efficient new aircraft in 2013. We value our association with ALC and the support we have received from them on this important project," said Capt. Ian Brunton, Chief Executive Officer of LIAT.

http://www.4-traders.com/AIR-LEASE-C...-New-ATR-72-600s-to-LIAT-15889785/

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-01-21 08:39:51 and read 10823 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 152):

Interesting, they have the first ATR 72 coming around the same time as the first -42. I assume they'll be used on their high capacity routes (BGI maybe?). Cant wait to see the first Aircraft!

By the way, has their been any public reaction to these aircraft orders? I would assume that most people would associate Liat with the Dash 8 and hardly anything else, especially in the last few years. I asked this because some people I know back in Montserrat aren't happy that they went ATR and not the Q400... They were saying some really negative things about it, stuff I wont repeat here...

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2013-01-21 10:42:12 and read 10772 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 153):
By the way, has their been any public reaction to these aircraft orders? I would assume that most people would associate Liat with the Dash 8 and hardly anything else, especially in the last few years. I asked this because some people I know back in Montserrat aren't happy that they went ATR and not the Q400... They were saying some really negative things about it, stuff I wont repeat here...

I have not heard any public outcry about it. Oddly enough, the comments I've heard comes from the inside. The concern is that the aircraft lacks performance and baggage capability. To sell the argument, most people use MQ as a reference. Given that MQ operated in ALL airports between SDQ and POS, I don't buy the lack of performance theory. Secondly, MQ had some early build aircraft with lower MTOW hence the reason for apparent lack of baggage capability. It is said the ATR 72 breaks even at 20-25 seats while the Q400 is a whopping 45 (see http://theflyingengineer.com/aircraf...-to-fly-a-turboprop-q400-vs-atr72/ ). With that in mind, I think the choice was obvious.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-01-21 11:52:57 and read 10736 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 154):
It is said the ATR 72 breaks even at 20-25 seats while the Q400 is a whopping 45

Well that is a function of how much they are charging for the seats.

For example DL's 764 LIM-ATL carries so much asparagus down below that IIRC it can go out with zero pax and still break even

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: westindian425
Posted 2013-01-21 18:28:03 and read 10619 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 153):
I would assume that most people would associate Liat with the Dash 8 and hardly anything else

I remember the Twin Otter and the HS748.  

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-01-22 01:08:37 and read 10556 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 154):

Thanks for the link, I remember reading that link sometime back. I agree that the choice was obvious. I hope they wont have any problems operating the aircraft.

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 156):
I remember the Twin Otter and the HS748.  

I remember them as well, more so the twin otter than the HS748. But those have been gone for a long while.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-22 04:36:42 and read 10516 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 151):
What was she doing in CUR? Nice pics

Hello there, the aircraft was here on a fuel stop and continued to its new owner in San Diego, California.

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: SJOtoLIR
Posted 2013-01-22 17:43:26 and read 10346 times.

Copa Airlines consolidates their services in Punta Cana, Dominican Republic as their frequencies will rise from 21x to 25x weekly from June 18th.
As a result, CM PTY-PUJ is ranked as the third Caribbean destination and followed by Havana and Santo Domingo.

Regards.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-01-23 17:43:16 and read 10162 times.

B6 looking to expand....
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-america-and-the-caribbean-381426/

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: Avianca
Posted 2013-01-24 04:48:31 and read 10070 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 145):
You forget to add that DAE is more in the news... LATELY (meaning not always). Caribbean-based airlines always have their periods where they make the news more often than usual. DAE in that regard is no different than Caribbean Airlines, Air Jamaica, Insel Air or LIAT. They all have there spot lights at times.
Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 143):
Ramiz: It’s Not True That DAE Has Canceled All Its Flights To St. Maarten And Bonaire
"Persistent reports that Dutch Antilles Express (DAE) has cancelled all its flights to Sint Maarten and Bonaire during the day yesterday, are absolutely not true, according to CEO of the aviation company Nelson Ramiz."

any news on that?
I am quite nerveous as I have flights booked with them to SXM for end of march and to AUA in April...

thanks and regards
Avianca

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-01-24 05:08:46 and read 10060 times.

Regarding FlyJamaica's inaugural flight that was supposed to be tomorrow:

To our invaluable customers, well wishers and supporters:
Unfortunately, the plan to have our inaugural flight on Friday January 25, has been disrupted.
The operation of this flight was contingent on the bookings made on our website, but regrettably, a test run of the site revealed some technical problems that threatened the scheduled launch of the site; the effect of which resulted in persons being unable to complete bookings.
You will be duly informed of the new scheduled date. In the interim, feel free to contact us at 1-855-4flyjm. We look forward to taking your calls and addressing your queries.
We give you assurance that every effort is being made to rectify these glitches, and we thank you for your patience.

No surprises here... Will they ever get off the ground?

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2013-01-24 07:05:46 and read 10023 times.

CM PTY-POS goes thrice daily   
http://www.laestrella.com.pa - in Spanish
Among the investment news made by CM Heilbron, CM announced CM will fly to BOS, add extra flights to PUJ and fly thrice daily (several days per week) between PTY and POS.
I welcome the yet unbelievable surprising PTY-POS-PTY flown thrice weekly, but feel sadden by the less likely chances of PTY-GEO/PBM/BGI/UVF/GND happening soon.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-01-24 07:16:46 and read 10013 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 163):

CM PTY-POS goes thrice daily   

When did they go twice daily even? I thought it was only 1 daily.

If they are going to 21Xweek then BW needs to take notice.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2013-01-24 07:32:06 and read 9996 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 164):
When did they go twice daily even? I thought it was only 1 daily.

What I'm making of the text of the news and judging how journalist report aviation news here is that when they write thrice daily some days it means some days there will be 3 POS flights: 1 or 2 to POS and 2 or 1 to PTY.

Quote:
If they are going to 21Xweek then BW needs to take notice.

Why BW should worry?, it's not that CM is threatening BW's POS-MIA/JFK/YYZ

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-01-24 07:41:00 and read 9995 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 165):
Why BW should worry?, it's not that CM is threatening BW's POS-MIA/JFK/YYZ

I meant, IF CM was going 3 times daily, then BW should take notice and start the route.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 165):
What I'm making of the text of the news and judging how journalist report aviation news here is that when they write thrice daily some days it means some days there will be 3 POS flights: 1 or 2 to POS and 2 or 1 to PTY.

Or perhaps they meant twice daily some days....like 10X weekly

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2013-01-24 08:03:10 and read 9986 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 166):
I meant, IF CM was going 3 times daily, then BW should take notice and start the route.

Would BW be able to fill its plane with PTY-POS/GEO/PBM O/D alone? I don't think so.
Could BW possibly fly POS-CCS-PTY or POS-PZO-PTY? then we're talking $$.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-01-24 08:25:04 and read 9971 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 167):
Would BW be able to fill its plane with PTY-POS/GEO/PBM O/D alone? I don't think so.

If the partnered with Liat they could fill a plane with PTY bound pax from the eastern caribbean. and if CM were ever to get up to 3Xdaily....ALOT of that would be O&D between PTY and POS....and that would BW home turf

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2013-01-24 08:32:24 and read 9965 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 168):
If the partnered with Liat they could fill a plane with PTY bound pax from the eastern caribbean. and if CM were ever to get up to 3Xdaily...

Then have CM talk to LIAT and cut the middleman (BW)

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-01-24 10:50:18 and read 9918 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 163):
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 164):

The news is welcomed but I doubt its 3 daily, currently they are operating POS with E190 off season and 738 high season. My intuition says 10w with 3 daily one certain days, or 14w with 3 on certain days. But the statement is very confusing:
"while for Port of Spain (Trinidad and Tobago) are enabled three flights a day, five times a week"

I know there are many investments coming in from the energy sector from South America, more so Chile and Brazil with agreements signed in recent years for a partnership. There is also a number of new gas and oil finds just off the coast of Tobago that will propel new investments from South American Companies.
We also now have serious talks of a Maritime maintenance base in POS with a local company and some Japanese group.

CAL has made a deposit for the 3rd 763 from LAN Chile expected in Late April.

Antigua Sees 2.3% Increase in Tourism Arrivals in 2012
"Antigua and Barbuda’s Minister of Tourism, Culture and Civil Aviation, Hon. John Maginley, is optimistic with the performance of the tourism sector in 2012, and the prospects that the future holds for the industry in the coming months.
Statistics recently released from the Ministry of Tourism’s Statistical Department show a total of 246,926 bona fide tourist arrivals by air for the entire year of 2012, an increase of 2.32% over those of 2011."
http://www.caribbeanpressreleases.co...ourism-Arrivals-in-2012/Page1.html


DAE breaks record in passenger transportation for 2012
"The airline company Dutch Antilles Express (DAE) broke record in passenger traffic in 2012. The system wide passenger report shows an increase of 50% in 2012 over 2011. The airline has committed therefore an additional 6 ATR – 72 to increase its presence in the islands in the Caribbean. DAE has also contracted two additional MD-83 from its sister company Falcon Air (aircraft registrations are RA 836 and N307)."
http://www.curacaochronicle.com/avia...passenger-transportation-for-2012/

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-01-24 10:52:40 and read 9915 times.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 161):

No news or further development on that front, You most likely will be safe for the moment but, if not then maybe you can change to Insel? A388 may give more info on that as he is quite knowledgeable on the Netherlands front.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2013-01-24 14:28:40 and read 9856 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 170):
But the statement is very confusing:
"while for Port of Spain (Trinidad and Tobago) are enabled three flights a day, five times a week"

3flights x 5 days that's 15 flights, leaving only one flight the other 2 days of the week, so if my math is not wrong, that would be 17 frequencies per week between PTY and POS.

Now when CM increases POS frequencies, CM will really know how much % of those flights passengers are actually GEO, PBM, BGI.. lets hope CM sees those figures with good eyes and those stand a chance even as twice weekly service.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-01-24 15:14:36 and read 9831 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 172):

Nothing is loaded into the system as of yet but it's very interesting. Maybe they can partner with CAL to reach the other islands mostly BGI, PBM, GEO and GND?

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2013-01-24 15:29:41 and read 9832 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 173):
Maybe they can partner with CAL to reach the other islands mostly BGI, PBM, GEO and GND?

A good start, other than CM-BW interline agreement and eventual code-share, is for CM Mileage Plus members to start earning miles while flying BW, no matter if only a fixed amount of miles for each segment flown with them.
And if the price and schedule are right, CM passengers connecting @ POS to/from BW LGW may even be viable.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-01-24 15:55:59 and read 9827 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 174):

A good start, other than CM-BW interline agreement and eventual code-share, is for CM Mileage Plus members to start earning miles while flying BW, no matter if only a fixed amount of miles for each segment flown with them.
And if the price and schedule are right, CM passengers connecting @ POS to/from BW LGW may even be viable.



It could be a good start be but we will have to wait and see, CAL and CM code sharing will be great for the travelling public and as you said, to LGW will be beneficial t both airlines.
Onwards it would give CAL the oppurtunity to maybe now consider finally joining Star Alliance.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BW424
Posted 2013-01-24 16:09:17 and read 9814 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 165):
Why BW should worry?, it's not that CM is threatening BW's POS-MIA/JFK/YYZ
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 166):
I meant, IF CM was going 3 times daily, then BW should take notice and start the route.

WOW!! As for BW starting the PTY route, I think it's highly unlikely. CM's ability to expand rapidly is centered around it's super efficient transit hub. CM has the economies of scale to make it work. I'm pretty sure most of their POS-PTY traffic is not O&D, just like a lot of other CM routes. Kudos to CM. They are an example of what can be achieved with the right vision, determination, and most importantly, no government involvement/interference.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 170):
CAL has made a deposit for the 3rd 763 from LAN Chile expected in Late April.

This was expected. From what I heard, a 3rd will increase the efficiency and the reliability of the fleet. I think 9Y-TJR may finally return to AMS with that acquisition.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2013-01-24 16:10:23 and read 9850 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 175):
Onwards it would give CAL the opportunity to maybe now consider finally joining Star Alliance.

For sure, as I really doubt Caribbean Airlines would consider One World w/ AA and BA; and for GEO-JFK sake, best not to have DL and Caribbean Airline on the same alliance.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-01-24 16:37:33 and read 9835 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 177):



Lol from what I know OneWorld is definitely out of the question, so the match is between Skyteam and Star Alliance, and given the history and how the management swings it's more on the Star side.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 177):
GEO-JFK sake, best not to have DL and Caribbean Airline on the same alliance.

They are milking this route for what it's worth.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 176):

This was expected. From what I heard, a 3rd will increase the efficiency and the reliability of the fleet. I think 9Y-TJR may finally return to AMS with that acquisition.

Well given how they plan to expand hopefully they will indeed get rid of TJR now and add more seats to JFK, as we can see loads to NYC on CAL are over 85% year round from all Caribbean destinations they service.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 176):

WOW!! As for BW starting the PTY route, I think it's highly unlikely. CM's ability to expand rapidly is centered around it's super efficient transit hub. CM has the economies of scale to make it work. I'm pretty sure most of their POS-PTY traffic is not O&D, just like a lot of other CM routes. Kudos to CM. They are an example of what can be achieved with the right vision, determination, and most importantly, no government involvement/interference.

  

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2013-01-24 17:12:34 and read 9802 times.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 176):
hey are an example of what can be achieved with the right vision, determination, and most importantly, no government involvement/interference.

I'd take that comment with a grain of salt as our president is widely known to have serious differences with CM owners and the design of the now approved PTY future South Terminal doesn't look to be that much hub-friendly.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-24 17:19:03 and read 9799 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 170):
DAE breaks record in passenger transportation for 2012
"The airline company Dutch Antilles Express (DAE) broke record in passenger traffic in 2012. The system wide passenger report shows an increase of 50% in 2012 over 2011. The airline has committed therefore an additional 6 ATR – 72 to increase its presence in the islands in the Caribbean. DAE has also contracted two additional MD-83 from its sister company Falcon Air (aircraft registrations are RA 836 and N307)."

This website to me some times is pro DAE because they always have good news alone from DAE. Those aircraft registrations don't make sense as N836RA is one of their MD80's they have now and the N307 registration also is not a N-registration. It is an incomplete registration. Their ATR plans are nothing but very unclear. Nobody really knows what their plans are for the ATR. Now they want 6 ATR's, that's news to me. I hope all of this will materialize but I'm not sure.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 171):
No news or further development on that front, You most likely will be safe for the moment but, if not then maybe you can change to Insel? A388 may give more info on that as he is quite knowledgeable on the Netherlands front.

As Caribbean484 said, you are save now and probably shouldn't worry about DAE going bust. They will still be around.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 176):
WOW!! As for BW starting the PTY route, I think it's highly unlikely. CM's ability to expand rapidly is centered around it's super efficient transit hub. CM has the economies of scale to make it work. I'm pretty sure most of their POS-PTY traffic is not O&D, just like a lot of other CM routes.

That is true. CM makes their routes work mainly because of their excellent hub in PTY. Only CM can tell us how their passenger mix is to POS. O&D or mainly transfer passengers from their other flights.

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-01-24 17:41:18 and read 9789 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 177):
and for GEO-JFK sake, best not to have DL and Caribbean Airline on the same alliance.

Why not? Happens all the time in other alliances. Cooperate , cross sell etc. CAL would actually be great in Skyteam.

Quoting A388 (Reply 180):
Only CM can tell us how their passenger mix is to POS.

Well, POS airport would probably have access to that data.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-01-24 18:06:34 and read 9776 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 180):
That is true. CM makes their routes work mainly because of their excellent hub in PTY. Only CM can tell us how their passenger mix is to POS. O&D or mainly transfer passengers from their other flights.
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 181):
Well, POS airport would probably have access to that data.

Well according to data from AATT in 2010 POS-PTY has 19 PDEW, most of CM pax are connecting to HAV, SDQ, SJO, GUA, BOG, GRU, GIG, EZE and SCL.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2013-01-24 18:19:15 and read 9770 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 182):
Well according to data from AATT in 2010 POS-PTY has 19 PDEW, most of CM pax are connecting to HAV, SDQ, SJO, GUA, BOG, GRU, GIG, EZE and SCL.

Be reminded that the figure of 19PDEW may be lower as some connecting passengers actually pass thru immigration/customs if they've long connecting times.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: SJOtoLIR
Posted 2013-01-24 19:32:06 and read 9744 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 164):
When did they go twice daily even? I thought it was only 1 daily.


CM PTY-POS is actually operating on a daily basis.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2013-01-25 07:25:57 and read 9665 times.

CM is currently flying daytime PTY-POS-PTY, perhaps the extra flights would be PTY-POS evenings and POS-PTY early mornings?
Not quite sure how an E190 PTY 2145 0145 POS 0415 0615 PTY would please POS CM passengers.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: JM02
Posted 2013-01-25 09:53:32 and read 9637 times.

Fly Jamaica fails to take off

From the Jamaica Gleaner
The new carrier has had to change its plan due to delays in arrangements at the John F. Kennedy Airport in New York.
Captain Lloyd Tai, chief operating officer of Fly Jamaica, explained that the airline had to find a terminal at the airport that would accommodate it.

It is not clear when the airline will now take flight; however, it has cited its booking system as the reason for the disruption.
In a message to customers on their Facebook page on Tuesday, Fly Jamaica said: "The operation of this flight was contingent on the bookings made on our website but regrettably, a test run of the site revealed some technical problems that threatened the scheduled launch of the site; the effect of which resulted in persons being unable to complete bookings."

In the interim, the airline has asked passengers to contact them at 1-855-4flyjam. However, calls made to that number went straight to an automated voice message which disconnected shortly after.

In the meantime, calls made to a number of travel agents revealed that not many of them knew how to book a seat, the schedule or the price of the tickets on the new carrier. Captain Tai added that a new date has not been set for the launch, but he expects it to be soon. http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20130125/lead/lead5.html

I could have told them that their website had technical problems, i.e, it does not work/directs you to Air Guyana. I am sure there are people out there who are keen to fly with this company because everyone loves a cheap ticket but you would have thought that after 18 months they would have ironed out these issues and these are not just small issues these are BIG issues (terminal, booking system) so what about the smallish issues (customer service, inflight catering), are they poised.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-01-25 11:05:18 and read 9611 times.

Quoting JM02 (Reply 186):

Are they serious? So you are telling me that these people did not know they need to dock at a terminal at JFK, arrange customs and scheduling with the airport, Ticketing and counter services as well as a booking engine?

This is how things are going to be managed at the airline, and it is not good. This is shear incompetence on the management and shows how they are looking to fail already. I will advise anyone to fly with them with extreme caution.


Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 185):
CM is currently flying daytime PTY-POS-PTY, perhaps the extra flights would be PTY-POS evenings and POS-PTY early mornings?

Well we will hope a early morning departure from POS, midday and evenings departure are all convenient for pax with a slew of options. I really would like to see the schedule when it is loaded in the GDS.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-25 11:44:10 and read 9580 times.

Quoting JM02 (Reply 186):
Fly Jamaica fails to take off

That indeed is very bad.

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-01-25 12:01:19 and read 9568 times.

Quoting JM02 (Reply 186):
Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 187):
Quoting A388 (Reply 188):

Not surprised at all....

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-01-26 06:26:38 and read 9427 times.

Here is the press release guys, CM will increase POS to 12 weekly, not sure if the new flight will be a red eye, overnight in POS but its not 3 daily rather 5 new weekly additions

http://www.copaair.com/sites/gs/en/n...as/Pages/nuevo-destino-Boston.aspx

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: turk223
Posted 2013-01-26 08:42:47 and read 9379 times.

Well, now I have completely given up all hope that CM wil EVER start PTY-BGI what with the increase in service to POS. Maybe I shouldn't complain; the extra flight may reduce connection times in POS for us poor souls that are going to BGI?

As it is I cannot even get home in March (for Holy Week here in Colombia) due to fares of over $1400 USD or no availability... I am technically closer to BGI now that I live in Medellín than when I lived in Miami but nearly impossible to get home anyhow.  

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-26 09:47:31 and read 9353 times.

Quoting turk223 (Reply 191):
As it is I cannot even get home in March (for Holy Week here in Colombia) due to fares of over $1400 USD or no availability... I am technically closer to BGI now that I live in Medellín than when I lived in Miami but nearly impossible to get home anyhow.

That is very unfortunate. Seeing that there is no demand between Colombia and Barbados I don't ever see any airline offer good connections between these two countries.

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: SJOtoLIR
Posted 2013-01-26 17:54:52 and read 9254 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 190):
Here is the press release guys, CM will increase POS to 12 weekly, not sure if the new flight will be a red eye, overnight in POS but its not 3 daily rather 5 new weekly additions


I will look forward for the new schedule on CM PTY-POS. I've checked the GDS sources and found nothing.
I'm starting to believe in a point discussed into the Central American aviation thread related to the expansion of Copa Airlines in destinations such as BGI and GEO, in the mid-term.
Speaking about Copa Airlines in the Caribbean, the press release also states about how the Punta Cana service will grow to four daily flights in the near future.
As a matter of fact, CM PTY-PUJ goes gradually from 21x to 25x weekly on June 18th.

Regards.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-01-27 09:32:06 and read 9126 times.

According to the OAG thread...AA has pulled the plug on CCS-SJU effective Feb.

I find that very hard to belive. Maybe the Venezuelans have allowed them to sell the route to B6 and we will see B6 announce it soon.

There is no way the Venezuelans will allow them to DFW (for example) unless Chavez has died and miracles have happened in CCS

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2013-01-27 10:09:54 and read 9125 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 194):
According to the OAG thread...AA has pulled the plug on CCS-SJU effective Feb.

I find that very hard to belive. Maybe the Venezuelans have allowed them to sell the route to B6 and we will see B6 announce it soon.

There is no way the Venezuelans will allow them to DFW (for example) unless Chavez has died and miracles have happened in CCS

Hard to believe indeed, as SJU-CCS was the only non-AA hub route left out of SJU.
AA must be too dumb to just drop the route (and the authority) knowing it's practically impossible for a U.S. airline to get frequencies to Venezuela.
AA flies DFW-CCS once per week for quite some time and it couldn't get the authorisation for extra frequencies.

Now if AA really is dropping SJU-CCS, there's a sizable O/D traffic between Puerto Rico and Venezuela so somebody will get it.. Both 7I and BW should study how to take advantage of the lack of flights between those.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2013-01-27 20:56:10 and read 8983 times.

just passing to say hi ANDDD as san andres and cartagena are "oficially" caribbean here it goes a few pics

AIRLINE: COPA
MACHINE: EMBRAER 190
CLASS: Y
STARS: 3
TOTAL ASSETS: COPA IS GOING LOW COST FOR SURE!

ENJOY



Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-28 04:52:02 and read 8902 times.

I like the two inflight wingshot, nice pictures andrefrance. That turqiouse blue sea view might even be a good photo for airliners.net.

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-01-28 06:36:39 and read 8856 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 197):
I like the two inflight wingshot, nice pictures andrefrance. That turqiouse blue sea view might even be a good photo for airliners.net.

I have to agree nice shot of the turn out.

For reasons DAE is more in the press this time around
"DAE is retouching its next ATR-72 to be added to its fleet by the second week of February 2013. This is the first of 6 ATR’s to be added to DAE’s float. DAE wants to increase its presence in the region by acquiring more aircrafts and expanding its destinations."
http://www.curacaochronicle.com/avia...w-atr-72-with-the-airlines-livery/

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-28 06:49:09 and read 8857 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 198):
For reasons DAE is more in the press this time around
"DAE is retouching its next ATR-72 to be added to its fleet by the second week of February 2013. This is the first of 6 ATR’s to be added to DAE’s float. DAE wants to increase its presence in the region by acquiring more aircrafts and expanding its destinations."
http://www.curacaochronicle.com/avia...very/

Thanks Caribbean484, I wasn't aware of their first ATR72 being almost ready. Looking to seeing it in CUR.

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2013-01-28 06:53:39 and read 8853 times.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 196):
TOTAL ASSETS: COPA IS GOING LOW COST FOR SURE!

PTY-ADZ is a 50min flight, lucky passengers getting patties included in airfare.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: avianca
Posted 2013-01-28 07:04:26 and read 8845 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 195):
Hard to believe indeed, as SJU-CCS was the only non-AA hub route left out of SJU.
AA must be too dumb to just drop the route (and the authority) knowing it's practically impossible for a U.S. airline to get frequencies to Venezuela.

but most passengers in fact use the flight for transiting to NYC and MIA.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 195):
Now if AA really is dropping SJU-CCS, there's a sizable O/D traffic between Puerto Rico and Venezuela so somebody will get it.. Both 7I and BW should study how to take advantage of the lack of flights between those

as mentioned many passengers on the flight are passengers bound to JFK and MIA. would be a shame if its true that they cancled the flight.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: airfrancejfk
Posted 2013-01-28 11:12:28 and read 8818 times.

Does anyone know if Westjet's seasonal service to POS will operate in the summer specifically August. I know the current service ends in April. Would really like to see these guys go year round.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2013-01-28 20:12:13 and read 8700 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 200):

I was horrified, CTG-BOG a glass of juice.... it's worse than Brazil now LOL and NOT CHEAP! next time I'll go vivacolombia then lol  

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-01-29 05:04:27 and read 8604 times.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 203):
I was horrified, CTG-BOG a glass of juice.... it's worse than Brazil now LOL and NOT CHEAP! next time I'll go vivacolombia then lol  

Suggest you stock up at the airport cafe before flying SAP=BZE....no meal service on the 208s!~ 

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2013-01-29 11:45:39 and read 8537 times.

I see BW's GEO - YYZ flight is enroute to ANU today presumably as a fuel stop as it is operated by a 738. A quick check on flightaware shows its not the first time. Probs with the 767 lately?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...6/history/20130129/1745Z/SYCJ/TAPA

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-01-29 12:14:59 and read 8519 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 205):
I see BW's GEO - YYZ flight is enroute to ANU today presumably as a fuel stop as it is operated by a 738. A quick check on flightaware shows its not the first time. Probs with the 767 lately?

No it's a Government official added flight, as it has been operating for the past two weeks on behalf of the Government of Antigua.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2013-01-29 12:39:18 and read 8485 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 204):

But at least Tropic was cheaper! lol  

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2013-02-01 10:45:25 and read 8141 times.

Quoting airfrancejfk (Reply 202):

I think that BW's usual trick of eliminating competition by flooding the market and killing yields worked. Westjet is off after April, and apparently not coming back for the busy summer. YYZ POS is a VFR/business route so I cannot imagine that WS only planned winter service. Aside from the Xmas/New Year and Carnival periods, demand is very soft in the winter months on these VFR routes, and summer is the best season.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-02-04 16:46:57 and read 7760 times.

Copa loaded their schefule
CM314 PTY-POS D:19:12 A:23:22
CM315 POS-PTY D:06:23 A:08:28
operates 5x weekly, Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Sat.

So it will overnight in POS and leave early morning

[Cayman Islands] Air and cruise arrivals up
"Air arrivals in the Cayman Islands in 2012 were the highest in 11 years, while cruise arrivals were up on last year’s numbers, tourism minister Cline Glidden said Thursday.
Last year, 321,650 tourists flew into Cayman, an increase of 12,558 people or 4.1 per cent over air arrivals in 2011.
December posted the highest number of arrivals for the month of December in 12 years, with 35,408 visitors flying in – an increase of 6.2 per cent over December 2011.
Mr. Glidden said the air arrival numbers had “exceeded all expectations”.
Cruise arrivals were also up, with 1,570,370 people arriving by ship last year, an increase of 7.6 per cent on 2011.
However, Mr. Glidden pointed out that, while the cruise numbers were up year on year, 2011 had been “a very bad year” for cruise arrivals. “Obviously, we’re still 
concerned about the number even though we have an increase in 2012,” he said."
http://www.compasscayman.com/caycomp.../02/01/Air-and-cruise-arrivals-up/

Not much in the news these days

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-02-05 05:04:16 and read 7666 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 209):
Not much in the news these days

Indeed, I'm just waiting on the first flight of LIAT to CUR on their brandnew ATR!!! June, right? 

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-02-06 12:45:21 and read 7469 times.

Sunwing Airlines plans to sue couple over diverted Caribbean flight
"A Canadian low-cost airline says it plans to sue a couple after they were fined US$500 each in a court here following an altercation on a Caribbean-bound plane which forced the captain to divert the airline to Bermuda."
Read more: http://www.caribbean360.com/index.ph...uda_news/663930.html#ixzz2K9arn0k4

Just wow that sounds like real drama in the air.

Guyana processing EzJet refunds
"The Ministry of Public Works on Tuesday announced that fund claims of affected EZjet passengers are currently being processed and that it will notify the public through the media when payments are ready.
The Government Information said the Guyana government would be only refunding passengers who purchased their tickets in Guyana. The US $200,000 bond deposit which was lodged by the airline to enter the Guyana market will be used for the refunds."
http://www.demerarawaves.com/index.p...yana-processing-ezjet-refunds.html

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: hausauflennon
Posted 2013-02-07 12:07:43 and read 7309 times.

Quoting turk223 (Reply 191):
Well, now I have completely given up all hope that CM wil EVER start PTY-BGI

I haven't quite given up hope. If only we can get more aggressive aviation and tourism professionals into our tourism authority and the ministry...we'd see some development.

They should hire me. I'd get you that PTY-BGI in no time.  

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2013-02-07 14:03:29 and read 7270 times.

Quoting hausauflennon (Reply 212):

Bdos needs to get as aggressive about attracting tourists from Latin Am as Jamaica is. That is the only way there will be a PTY-BGI, as I doubt there is the business traffic which exists into and out of T&T. Indeed the additional CM service to POS provides better connecting opportunities on BW and LI for people traveling to/from neighboring countries.

The Bajan descended population in Panama is too disconnected from BGI to be a consistent source of business. Few of them have real ties, given the tremendous time perioid since their ancestors left BGI, and the paucity of links since then.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-02-07 18:32:35 and read 7218 times.

Quoting hausauflennon (Reply 212):
They should hire me. I'd get you that PTY-BGI in no time.  

It is a lot harder than you think...trust me...

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-02-08 08:55:18 and read 7137 times.

Guys,

AA's 737 wearing the new livery was in Curacao yesterday and this morning (overnight flight). See my photos in below links:


http://planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1198817


http://planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1198841


http://planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1198816


At first I didn't like this new livery at all but after seeing more photos and having seen it in person too, I like it a lot now LOL

Cheers,

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-02-08 08:58:45 and read 7121 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 215):

Great Photos A388! Glad you got to photograph it so soon! Cant wait to see it for myself one day.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-02-10 20:29:00 and read 6841 times.

Delta Airlines scraps Georgetown-New York route
"Delta Airlines has decided to pull out of Guyana, ending its five year old direct charter service between New York and Georgetown, well-placed sources said.
A Delta Airlines Latin America spokesperson did not immediately respond to queries. A reservations agent in the United States said there were no available flights in June but he could not give a reason."

http://www.demerarawaves.com/index.p...s-georgetown-new-york-flights.html

Not sure if this is true but this is one interesting information that is coming out. I just checked the GDS the flights are still on there, but the flights have been zeroed out in the booking system.
Well EZjet caused one casualty in their pricing structure and it seems that DL lost a load of money on the route during the last 12 months fighting to keep market share with CAL and EZjet.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2013-02-10 20:52:34 and read 6829 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 217):
Delta Airlines scraps Georgetown-New York route

there is more to this than LFs

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-02-10 21:28:11 and read 6817 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 218):

Could be the ridiculous price for jet A1 out of GEO, low cost competition last year or they are looking for compensation from the GEO government. Either way I am surprise they are cutting the route. They cut POS, GND and ANU are seasonal, and now GEO is gone.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: hausauflennon
Posted 2013-02-11 08:49:05 and read 6708 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 214):
It is a lot harder than you think...trust me...

Evidently  

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: hausauflennon
Posted 2013-02-11 08:53:41 and read 6715 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 213):
Bdos needs to get as aggressive about attracting tourists from Latin Am as Jamaica is.

For risk of sounding like a broken record, I couldn't agree any more with this sentiment. Latin America is geographically very close to us, and economically, economies like Brazil are on the rise and are becoming globally more influential as traditional tourism source markets for us slide into recession (i.e US, UK, Europe). We managed to secure GOL out of Brazil's economic capital, GRU, some years ago and there has been little done since to stimulate the Brazilian market and develop it as a new, potentially lucrative tourist source market for the island! It is simply depressing how laissez-faire the Barbadian tourism powers-that-be have been with developing Brazil and other Latin American markets, such as the same Panama.

I just wish they would take a look around and realize that as a tourism destination, our very complacent approach and laid-back, "they will come anyway because we have beaches" attitude to developing Barbados for the 21st century tourism industry, is a recipe for certain disaster as other, similar Caribbean outposts are beginning to outshine us and outperform us in the global market.

There's only so much Rihanna can do for the island.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2013-02-11 12:39:25 and read 6656 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 217):

BW is still charging low fare son its nonstop route. DL lost its biggest competitive feature, being the only credible nonstop to GEO, and so either had to match these fares, or exit.

Its never good for one airline to dominate any market, so lets hope PY begins their PBM GEO JFK service soon. BW should actually welcome then, as if they have a monopoly other, more formidable carriers might decide to jump in. B6 if they get enough planes to service a route of this length, being one option as they have already had chats with the govt of GY. Two carriers on the route will keep them out as it is not very heavy for 8 months of the year.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 219):

GND is seasonal becaiuse the GND govt is not interested in paying a subsidy to DL, to cover low LFs in these periods, when BW is available, and preferred by Grenadians who dominate the JFK GND route. DL seems to ahve dropped JFK ANU because if they arent flying during the busiest period, the winter, do not know when else they would. AA drove them out with their higher frequencies.

Quoting hausauflennon (Reply 221):

I often get the impression that the powers that be in Bdos tourism feel that seats available means butts in seats. Our resident "Caribbean" Brazilian, had a very bad experience on that island and I cant imagine that he is the only one. If a Brazilian can go to SXM, AUA, the Dom Rep, etc and get decent treatment, no need to bother with Bdos.

Bdos isnt even doing well in the US market. Note that they are back to the JFK MIA (token service from CLT) and excessively dependent on AA (we do not know what that airline plans for the Caribbean. Once you back out Bajans and their descendants i suspect that SLU gets more US visitors.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2013-02-11 21:21:35 and read 6542 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 222):
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 218):

As I mentioned before the one thing CAL has over DL is a lower operating cost, economies of scale which in turn offers a vast share of pricing and scheduling.
Maybe Inbound can correct me, but when Brunton was COO of CAL, their policy was to tanker fuel out of Trinidad into and out of Guyana as to not pay the high price of Jet A there.
CAL had over 70% of the JFK-GEO market despite the stop in POS and provides over 80% of the capacity there also. Looking at the Easter Period, their flights are already book solid on all markets and with Summer coming around the corner, the 3rd 767 will be much needed extra lift. I predict that they will increase the 424/425 daily and run the 526/527 more frequently.

It will be interesting so see PY start the route, whether they would use the A340 or as a rumor said last year switch to the 767, we will see. As for now and the foreseeable future CAL will remain dominant in GEO and GND.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-02-12 05:12:15 and read 6486 times.

Quoting hausauflennon (Reply 221):
more influential as traditional tourism source markets for us slide into recession (i.e US, UK, Europe). We managed to secure GOL out of Brazil's economic capital, GRU,

Does G3 still serve BGI?

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: windian425
Posted 2013-02-12 06:06:09 and read 6465 times.

Yes, G3 still operates a weekly 738 to BGI.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-02-12 06:28:55 and read 6461 times.

Quoting windian425 (Reply 225):
Yes, G3 still operates a weekly 738 to BGI.

Okay, thanks. How is the flight performing (high or low load factor)? They used to fly the 767 on the route but now it's a 738(?)

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BE77
Posted 2013-02-12 07:15:26 and read 6442 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 223):
It will be interesting so see PY start the route, whether they would use the A340 or as a rumor said last year switch to the 767, we will see.

PY is currently running a PBM>GEO>MIA routing with 733's (which they have 2 and a third is supposed to arrive soon). The A340 is dedicated to the PBM-AMS flights. and would not make much sense at all I think on North American routing.
Haven't heard anything recently about a 767 for PY, but it sounds like it would be a reasonable replacement for the A340. Although a 767 would more likely be better than an A340 for US destinations, I am not sure there is the demand for any widebody PBM to MIA or JFK. Even now there are a lot of empty seats many days on the BW, 7I, and PY flights (haven't flown 9H yet, but I imagine they are not full all the time either), so adding more north bound capacity won't do much for yields.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 222):
so lets hope PY begins their PBM GEO JFK service soon

I'm just hoping that PY can eventually start a direct PBM-MIA routing - it would certainly give a lot more options and better timing, without needing to stop enroute somewhere. I think it's only due to not meeting the required FAA airport category.
A PBM-JFK route would be nice too, but probably not as strong a demand as there would be for a MIA routing. Would you even be able to reach PBM-JFK in a 733?

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: A388
Posted 2013-02-12 07:37:04 and read 6430 times.

Quoting BE77 (Reply 227):
I think it's only due to not meeting the required FAA airport category.

That is not true. If the FAA downgrades a country, it means that no aircraft with the registration of that country can fly to the U.S. when it was downgraded. If Surinam was downgraded before PY started their MIA service then they can keep flying the route without adding more capacity or starting new routes. Seeing that PY uses is own Surinamese registered aircraft to MIA there is something else that prefends PY from flying directly to the U.S. (maybe the TSA (security reasons?)).

A388

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BE77
Posted 2013-02-12 07:53:08 and read 6421 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 208):
Westjet is off after April, and apparently not coming back for the busy summe

From the WestJet / Encore thread
WestJet Encore Announcement Feb 11 (by flyb Feb 7 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Straight from airlineroute.net

http://airlineroute.net/2013/02/11/ws-caribbean-s13/

WestJet in Summer 2013 season (from May 2013) is expanding operations to The Caribbean as well as Central America, with service to Liberia in Costa Rica and Port of Spain converting to year-round service. A number of Caribbean routes from Toronto will see additional flights added, compared to Summer 2012.

New Year-Round Routes:
Toronto – Liberia
WS2742 YYZ0910 – 1223LIR 73W 5
WS2743 LIR1315 – 2031YYZ 73W 5

Toronto – Port of Spain
WS2772 YYZ2325 – 0504+1POS 73W D
WS2773 POS0605 – 1149YYZ 73W D


So it looks like POS is not cancelled!

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BE77
Posted 2013-02-12 08:23:01 and read 6400 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 228):
(maybe the TSA (security reasons?)).

Could well be the TSA or similar sort of logic.

I thought it had something to do with he FAA ratings, so I looked it up and found this
http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/iasa/

Looking at the excel list, Suriname rates a 1, while Guyana is a 2, so definitely the problem is not that PY is not adequately regulated, so they should be able to add flights to the US (which they have done with the relatively recent GEO-MIA flight).
I guess that leaves TSA or similar issues. SInce they have redone the security checkpoints in PBM in the last few months, maybe it is in support of improving the security rankings?

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: windian425
Posted 2013-02-12 13:13:20 and read 6352 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 226):

The performance of this flight varies throughout the year. During peak periods load factors are high (75%+) and in the low periods they fall as low as 30%. So overall its marginal at best...

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: Inbound
Posted 2013-02-12 21:10:42 and read 6238 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 223):
Maybe Inbound can correct me, but when Brunton was COO of CAL, their policy was to tanker fuel out of Trinidad into and out of Guyana as to not pay the high price of Jet A there.

Yes 484, that's partially correct. We tanker fuel to GEO with enough to come back to POS on the return sector. It's also done to avoid the hassle of having the fuel trucks come out late at night to service our planes.

Now with 526 on the 767, we tanker some to GEO, but uplift the rest there before heading to JFK.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: guyanam
Posted 2013-02-13 11:33:06 and read 6122 times.

Quoting BE77 (Reply 227):

The PY PBM GEO JFK has nothing to do with service between PBM and JFK. Its to replace DL on the JFK GEO sector. I do not see BW being able to handle the volume, plus it is not agood idea for one airline to as thoroughly dominate a market as BW will once DL pulls out.

Imagine ONE airline with 90% market share!!!!

Quoting BE77 (Reply 229):

It appears as if Westjet has decided to extend service. When I made the comment about them being off the POS route their own website had a listing of seasonal routes and POS was one of them.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 223):

Do you really think that a route as lucartive a sthe JFK GEO will be allowed to be monopolized by one carrier? At least on the JFK POS those willing to stop over in MIA can use AA, which keeps BWs fares in line. But with GEO lacking such options, and with passengers liking to have alternate options some one is going to jump into the JFK GEO. After all Guyanese are the fifth largest immigrant group in the NY area.

If Jetblue does come in, they will be a more vigorous competitor than DL, was. DL was content to laze around with diminishing market share as they charged those who used them to avoid a POS stop, a huge premium. Of course those days ended last year when BW and EZ became nonstop.

[Edited 2013-02-13 11:34:01]

[Edited 2013-02-13 11:35:41]

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: wadadli
Posted 2013-02-13 14:57:27 and read 6061 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 222):
DL seems to ahve dropped JFK ANU because if they arent flying during the busiest period, the winter, do not know when else they would. AA drove them out with their higher frequencies.

DL still operates on an even more adhoc basis than before. They flew for a few weeks in December and January 1X weekly and are still returning for peak summer July and August 1X weekly. Hardly worth the effort IMO....

Quoting BE77 (Reply 229):
WestJet in Summer 2013 season (from May 2013) is expanding operations to The Caribbean as well as Central America, with service to Liberia in Costa Rica and Port of Spain converting to year-round service. A number of Caribbean routes from Toronto will see additional flights added, compared to Summer 2012.

New Year-Round Routes:
Toronto – Liberia
WS2742 YYZ0910 – 1223LIR 73W 5
WS2743 LIR1315 – 2031YYZ 73W 5

Toronto – Port of Spain
WS2772 YYZ2325 – 0504+1POS 73W D
WS2773 POS0605 – 1149YYZ 73W D

So it looks like POS is not cancelled!

Great news. In related news, they will also announce ANU as year round with Sat only service from May 4th, 2013 with their 737-800 compared to 2X wed,sun 737-700 which has been operating through the winter.

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2013-02-13 20:28:39 and read 5976 times.

Hellloooooo Caribbeannn peopllleeeee, looked dead didn't I? but it was not for lack of trying I can tell you that! LOOOOL I was stucked in the 60's in HAV afffffff finally got out! I'm in GCM now, some pics!

Topic: RE: 'Tis The Season - Caribbean Aviation Thread 103
Username: BW424
Posted 2013-02-14 15:19:53 and read 5845 times.

New Forum is up folks!!

Changing Currents- Caribbean Aviation Thread 104 (by BW424 Feb 14 2013 in Civil Aviation)


Nic epics Andrefranca!! Still need to find the time to visit GCM.


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