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Topic: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: flybehubby
Posted 2012-12-09 17:33:45 and read 14484 times.

I have it on good word that EI will operate VS domestic routes. EI base at LGW to be closed and all staff to be transferred to LHR to operate on behalf of VS. 4 x A319/20 with the crew in full VS uniform and a/c painted in VS colours.

To be announced today (Monday)

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: aamd11
Posted 2012-12-09 18:09:40 and read 14324 times.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/1210/1224327682165.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...lingus-as-short-route-partner.html

The Irish Times mentions 6x daily EDI and 3x daily ABZ. That's 9 of the 12 slot pairs to be awarded, any indication yet as to what the last 3 slots will be used for'?

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: anstar
Posted 2012-12-09 20:21:45 and read 13996 times.

3 x LHR-Aberdeen and 6 x LHR-Edinburgh fligths to start from April (alongside 3 x LHR-Manchester starting March 31).

All flights will operate from Terminal 1 at LHR and offer good times to connect with the long haul network.

Flights go on sale from 19 December.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: AAMDanny
Posted 2012-12-10 02:20:35 and read 13350 times.

It has been confirmed on Virgins staff intranet.

Aer Lingus to operate the short haul flights (x6 daily EDI x3 daily ABZ x3 daily MAN) with x4 A320 aircraft.

All crew, maintenance and insurance to be provided by EI.

Flights will operate in VS livery and crew in VS uniform.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: acelanzarote
Posted 2012-12-10 04:46:44 and read 12958 times.

Are all the A320´s from LGW then, otherwise are some services/routes out of DUB being cut to
free up planes for this?

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: migair54
Posted 2012-12-10 05:16:06 and read 12609 times.

I knew this since time ago but when i said many people didn´t believe me, however it´s pretty surprising the freqs, 6xday to EDI??? that´s a lot.... i was expecting something like 3 or 4 to EDI and another destination like GLA to allow connexions to VS network.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: clydenairways
Posted 2012-12-10 05:18:53 and read 12572 times.

Sounds like they will need additional aircraft and crews for this wet lease operation.
I can't think of any of EI's A320 routes due for the chop.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: ual777uk
Posted 2012-12-10 05:23:44 and read 12508 times.

Please tell me they will be kitted out inside as well and not just with paint slapped on the outside.

I am looking forward either way to seeing these A320s at LHR in the near future.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 5):
surprising the freqs, 6xday to EDI

Theres a lot of biz going on in Edinburgh so i can kind of understand this.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: by738
Posted 2012-12-10 05:28:02 and read 12436 times.

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 7):
Please tell me they will be kitted out inside as well and not just with paint slapped on the outside

The standard punter will not care for 50 mins in the air.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: BritishB747
Posted 2012-12-10 05:30:10 and read 12359 times.

Have any of the flight times been released and are they on sale? I have seen the times for the MAN services but im interested in the Edinburgh and Aberdeen times as they are the local affordable airports.

Regards

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: sandyb123
Posted 2012-12-10 05:38:21 and read 12244 times.

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 7):
Please tell me they will be kitted out inside as well and not just with paint slapped on the outside.
Quoting by738 (Reply 8):
The standard punter will not care for 50 mins in the air.

EI s A320 is very similar in hard product to BA, I'm not sure if they've got air display on their A320s but don't expect to see anything like VX. For an hours flight duration though who cares.

Good luck to them on these routes! Will be good to see the VS brand regularly at EDI.

Sandyb123

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: EagleBoy
Posted 2012-12-10 05:39:45 and read 12243 times.

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 4):
Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 4):

Are all the A320´s from LGW then, otherwise are some services/routes out of DUB being cut to
free up planes for this?

Hard to know. EI have another 2 A319 for delivery early next year, so in theory they would only be cutting 2 fleet units from their current network.

On the other hand EI currently have an impressive cash reserve, they could see it as an option to short term lease 2-4 A320 to dedicate to this wet lease VS operation. Contract is currently for 3 years.

EI already have a small base in LGW, perhaps those crew can operate from both airports?

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: ual777uk
Posted 2012-12-10 05:44:26 and read 12153 times.

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 10):
but don't expect to see anything like VX. For an hours flight duration though who cares.

Was not expecting anything like VX but at least red seats surely and some kind of branding internally................not like VS to miss a trick like that.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: AAMDanny
Posted 2012-12-10 05:54:54 and read 12023 times.

EI did have a LHR base of Crew in the past, I think it was only about 20 cabin crew based there, I'm not sure if it still exists or not.

EI is a wise choice as they already have short haul op's established in LHR T1, so accommodating the extra flights wouldn't be a problem. They also operate into MAN EDI and ABZ, so the start up transition should be easy.

The A320's will be in 174 seats. No mention of a premium class so it's assuming it's all Y config.

Hot breakfast will be served on morning flights and snacks on all other flights.

Flight's will operate with VS flight numbers, numbers will be VS3001onwards

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: edina
Posted 2012-12-10 06:13:31 and read 11809 times.

"Hot Breakfast in the morning & snacks later in the day". .......sounds just like BAs onboard product! LOL

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: jwhite9185
Posted 2012-12-10 08:43:18 and read 10370 times.

Interesting to see if theres any cabin refit as currently EI have Aer Lingus embossed on the seatbacks.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: clydenairways
Posted 2012-12-10 09:08:15 and read 10067 times.

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 15):
Interesting to see if theres any cabin refit as currently EI have Aer Lingus embossed on the seatbacks.
Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 10):
EI s A320 is very similar in hard product to BA, I'm not sure if they've got air display on their A320s but don't expect to see anything like VX. For an hours flight duration though who cares

My thinking is that the aircraft won't be transferred from the existing EI fleet, but will be additional aircraft leased by EI for the purpose of this contract. So the interiors can be whatever is decided by VS.

I'm also thinking that the crew for this will mainly be recruited locally and specifically for this contract, bar a few trainers etc from the main EI operation.

This contract will probably have a fixed end date so it will be designed so that both EI and VS won't have any issues with being able to close it down at the end.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: A340crew
Posted 2012-12-10 09:54:03 and read 9659 times.

This should not be too difficult for EI to manage since they just closed down the United Airlines Joint Venture on the IAD-MAD route. Also now that the United gig is over EI has one "wet lease/joint venture" program under there belt. Possibly some of the IAD displaced workers with EU working rights (there were very few, mostly management, a few flight attendants and all the pilots who were mostly A320 guys who got upgraded to the A330 just for the IAD route) will end up on the Virgin contract in LHR.

Also this sounds like a drastically different service than EI's flights. I have flow them on short DUB-LON routes before and they could barely complete a BOB service with there sky cafe menu, never mind serve 174 hot meals on a short flight. It will be interesting to see how it works out. It will also be interesting to see some of those irish girls in the VS uniform.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: shamrock604
Posted 2012-12-10 10:18:05 and read 9429 times.

Quoting A340crew (Reply 17):

There wont be many Irish Girls! EI's base at Gatwick will close with those staff transferred to Heathrow.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: MYT332
Posted 2012-12-10 10:21:02 and read 9406 times.

Quoting A340crew (Reply 17):
It will also be interesting to see some of those irish girls in the VS uniform.

Now we're talking! But alas...

[Edited 2012-12-10 10:22:56]

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: GCT64
Posted 2012-12-10 10:34:11 and read 9247 times.

I'm intrigued to see how the VS pricing on LHR-EDI-LHR settles down (my bread and butter journey is up to EDI - 30 return trips in 2012). Post-BD, the pricing has gone upwards (mostly I think as a result of BD's lower priced offering disappearing and less I think from BA increasing their prices - but I haven't got facts to back that up).

I suspect that VS will price very similarly to BA, so I will continue to use EZY for the bulk of my travel to EDI (this year was ~66% EZY, ~33% BD/BA).

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: CaptCufflinks
Posted 2012-12-10 10:49:33 and read 9077 times.

Great to finally see the speculation end as to how they're going to play the short haul ops.

I would have though that based on VS' image conscious branding team there would be a few small tweaks to the EI aircraft - very bland and boring from what I remember.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: baexecutive
Posted 2012-12-10 11:30:22 and read 8597 times.

Flights are on sale now at va.com. LHR -MAN from £62.55 x 3 daily operated by A319s.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: EIDL
Posted 2012-12-10 11:38:49 and read 8508 times.

Quoting CaptCufflinks (Reply 21):
I would have though that based on VS' image conscious branding team there would be a few small tweaks to the EI aircraft - very bland and boring from what I remember.

The most likely craft, if they are going to use the A319, are two ex-IB birds which likely don't even have the EI interior yet. Unlike the last two I haven't seen pics of them hiding in full colourscheme in a hanger months in advance so they may not even be green yet.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: Tardis
Posted 2012-12-10 11:44:56 and read 8438 times.

Good to see VS going domestic! Can't wait to try them!

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: scbriml
Posted 2012-12-10 11:58:27 and read 8553 times.

Will be nice to see A320s in full VS colours at Heathrow.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: Roseflyer
Posted 2012-12-10 12:19:57 and read 8378 times.

Contracting out to EI sounds like a far better plan than the once proposed merger with BMI.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: GCT64
Posted 2012-12-10 12:32:15 and read 8499 times.

Quoting Tardis (Reply 24):
Good to see VS going domestic! Can't wait to try them!

What's interesting, and probably won't last, is they are offering 2 tier points for a pretty low cost (£100) LHR-MAN-LHR return - at least if I have read the small print corrrectly - which means that you can reach Silver in 8 return economy flights. That should only take me about 10 weeks   Gold is reached in 20 return flights. Plenty of London-Edinburgh/Aberdeen commuters are going to reach Gold quickly.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: EGPH
Posted 2012-12-10 13:48:33 and read 7684 times.

If these flights are EI operated, will they carry Shamrock or Virgin callsigns? Sorry for my lack of knowledge on such things  

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: migair54
Posted 2012-12-10 14:09:08 and read 7495 times.

Quoting EGPH (Reply 28):
If these flights are EI operated, will they carry Shamrock or Virgin callsigns? Sorry for my lack of knowledge on such things  

I´m not sure, but virgin slots, virgin flight number, virgin colors, virgin uniforms, virgin tickets, I guess they will be also use Virgin callsings.  

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: aamd11
Posted 2012-12-10 18:29:06 and read 6077 times.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 29):
I´m not sure, but virgin slots, virgin flight number, virgin colors, virgin uniforms, virgin tickets, I guess they will be also use Virgin callsings.  

EI aircraft and flight crews, though... Could still be Shamrock.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: bwaflyer
Posted 2012-12-10 22:27:28 and read 5910 times.

Should be a Virgin call sign. When bmi flew for Lufthansa, a Lufthansa call sign was used, same for Swiss flights, and BA flights during the transition.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: EagleBoy
Posted 2012-12-11 00:17:08 and read 5779 times.

Quoting A340crew (Reply 17):
Also this sounds like a drastically different service than EI's flights. I have flow them on short DUB-LON routes before and they could barely complete a BOB service with there sky cafe menu, never mind serve 174 hot meals on a short flight.

I still remember when EI had 2 class service on the DUB-LHR route with their A321's. Up to 125 (ish) J class pax, all getting drinks, meal tray and tea/coffee serviceon the 50-60 mins flight....in addition to the 50 in Y getting drinks and snacks. BOB service is actually a lot more laborious than 'full service' as BOB involves more options for the pax, the cash transaction and the possibility of stock issues. 'Full service' usually involves 2 options....what drink? and tea or coffee?

Quoting A340crew (Reply 17):
Also now that the United gig is over EI has one "wet lease/joint venture" program under there belt. Possibly some of the IAD displaced workers with EU working rights (there were very few, mostly management, a few flight attendants and all the pilots who were mostly A320 guys who got upgraded to the A330 just for the IAD route) will end up on the Virgin contract in LHR.

I don't think this will be part of the gig. The mgmt and flightcrew were on secondment for 3 years in IAD. All are now back in the DUB based operation.

I think the most likely option is for the EI LGW base to expand to cover the LHR operation also. Perhaps some of the BHD based crew (formerly BFS based) could be given the option to move over.

Quoting EGPH (Reply 28):
If these flights are EI operated, will they carry Shamrock or Virgin callsigns? Sorry for my lack of knowledge on such things

I assume if they fly under the EI AOC the callsign will be Shamrock?

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: shamrock604
Posted 2012-12-11 10:54:16 and read 5246 times.

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 32):

If it's a wetlease operation, the callsign will be "Virgin".

If it's a franchise, it would likely be "shamrock".

By all accounts, this is a proper wetlease.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: EGPH
Posted 2012-12-11 11:58:51 and read 5074 times.

Thanks for the answers, I had always thought the rule was as EagleBoy said in that callsign is whoever's AOC was being used to run the flight. Though I know there can be exceptions to the rule

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-12-11 12:03:51 and read 5056 times.

If DL/VS proposed joint venture happened earlier, could DL have allowed VS to wet least plane and crew to handle these flights?

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: EagleBoy
Posted 2012-12-11 12:24:20 and read 4965 times.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 33):
If it's a wetlease operation, the callsign will be "Virgin".

If it's a franchise, it would likely be "shamrock".

Thanks for that. So can I presume that the EI Regional callsign is 'Arann'?

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: EGPH
Posted 2012-12-11 12:25:46 and read 4966 times.

Yup all EI regional planes into EDI use "Arran" instead of "Shamrock" anyway

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: shamrock604
Posted 2012-12-11 12:52:24 and read 4890 times.

Quoting EGPH (Reply 34):

There are exceptions, but as a generalism, wetleases use the selling carrier's callsign. It helps for reconcilliation of ATC charges etc.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: miaintl
Posted 2012-12-13 13:33:54 and read 4272 times.

Is it possible that we will see VS operate short-haul service to DUB, GLA, BFD again? How about some service to the European mainland like AMS and BRU?

[Edited 2012-12-13 13:41:26]

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: shamrock604
Posted 2012-12-13 13:57:30 and read 4217 times.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 39):
Is it possible that we will see VS operate short-haul service to DUB, GLA, BFD again? How about some service to the European mainland like AMS and BRU?

Aerlingus operate DUB and BHD from LHR - and there is rumour of a Virgin codeshare on those routes.

Topic: RE: EI To Operate VS Domestic Routes
Username: by738
Posted 2012-12-14 06:20:00 and read 3770 times.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 39):
Is it possible that we will see VS operate short-haul service to DUB, GLA, BFD again

Using valuable LHRs slots ? I wouldnt have thought so. The EDI and ABZ ones will dwindle over time


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