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Topic: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2012-12-10 19:29:00 and read 14690 times.

Starters...I don't care about politics, so let's not get lost in the weeds.

Several US Presidents have airports named after them. Usually a historic President or a hometown President.

In the case of Obama, you have the nations first African American President...and he is very closely linked to his hometown of Chicago. He also seems to be very popular there and the current Mayor is Obama's former Chief of Staff.

Do we forsee a name change of either airport over the next decade? If so, which airport?

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: iFlyLOTs
Posted 2012-12-10 19:31:45 and read 14704 times.

Neither, they're already named after historical figures/events, no need to add Obama to it. (I like Obama but give him am airport somewhere else)

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: Mir
Posted 2012-12-10 19:33:22 and read 14682 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Thread starter):
Do we forsee a name change of either airport over the next decade? If so, which airport?

I'd doubt it, actually. O'Hare and Midway's names are both so well-known that I have a hard time thinking the city would go along with the change.

-Mir

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: redzeppelin
Posted 2012-12-10 19:39:07 and read 14616 times.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 1):
Neither, they're already named after historical figures/events, no need to add Obama to it.

Agreed.
Both airports have names associated with World War 2, and it would be hard to find anybody with the political will to change them. But what about HNL? HNL to me is the obvious future Barack Obama International Airport.

[Edited 2012-12-10 19:40:05]

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: iFlyLOTs
Posted 2012-12-10 19:41:32 and read 14580 times.

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 3):
HNL to me is obvious future Barack Obama International Airport.

That would be perfect! The tea party will certainly push for it to be NBO though.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2012-12-10 19:48:07 and read 14491 times.

African American President overrides WW2 in a city that is overwhelmingly minority in terms of political will.

Case in point Atlanta Hartsfield...doesn't that have Jackson in it now?

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-10 19:51:06 and read 14465 times.

I can see it being O'hare/Obama international in the future, but nothing that removes O'Hare from ORD. Midway's name isn't going nowhere.

It's almost like how nobody calls it the "Willis Tower." I tell a foreigner when they visit Chicago "Hey did you visit the Willis Tower?" and they give me a confused look until I say "Sears Tower." Then they know what I'm saying.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: bond007
Posted 2012-12-10 19:52:27 and read 14443 times.

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 3):
But what about HNL? HNL to me is obvious future Barack Obama International Airport.

...or Lagos  

Bear in mind, very few airports are named after people still alive.

NO do not hijack this thread into a list of airports that were named after live people.....but that will happen, and I will reply with rolled eyes !



Jimbo

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: crj900lr
Posted 2012-12-10 19:52:52 and read 14436 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 5):
Case in point Atlanta Hartsfield...doesn't that have Jackson in it now?

True, but what would the name be then if they decided to somehow incorporate Obama's name into either MDW or ORD's name?

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: iFlyLOTs
Posted 2012-12-10 19:56:43 and read 14379 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
It's almost like how nobody calls it the "Willis Tower." I tell a foreigner when they visit Chicago "Hey did you visit the Willis Tower?" and they give me a confused look until I say "Sears Tower." Then they know what I'm saying.

This along with people still calling U.S. Cellular Field Comiskey Park just goes to show how much we don't like change here in Chicago.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 5):
African American President overrides WW2 in a city that is overwhelmingly minority in terms of political will.

It still doesn't add up to a change. The only chance I see Obama having for a Chicago airport named for him is the proposed third airport, and chances of that happening are still slim.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-10 19:56:52 and read 14378 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Thread starter):
Several US Presidents have airports named after them.

Considering that Obama is the 44th President, the number of airports named for them is fairly small.
http://www.presidentsusa.net/airports.html

Canada has had 22 Prime Ministers (22 different people; a few served more than once) and if memory correct, 4 have airports named for them (Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Saskatoon).

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: BMI727
Posted 2012-12-10 20:03:21 and read 14325 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Thread starter):
ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?  

Considering the state of budgets in Chicago and Illinois, they should take a page from sports teams and sell naming rights to Midway to the highest bidder.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 9):
This along with people still calling U.S. Cellular Field Comiskey Park just goes to show how much we don't like change here in Chicago.

Well, there are certain people who refer to it as Cominskey Field.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPUhulaRzpU

Of course, this is changing as now it seems most people refer to it as US Cellular. If you talk about Comiskey Park people will probably assume you're talking about the old stadium.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: ouboy79
Posted 2012-12-10 20:08:16 and read 14288 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
I can see it being O'hare/Obama international in the future, but nothing that removes O'Hare from ORD. Midway's name isn't going nowhere.

It's almost like how nobody calls it the "Willis Tower." I tell a foreigner when they visit Chicago "Hey did you visit the Willis Tower?" and they give me a confused look until I say "Sears Tower." Then they know what I'm saying.

I could definitely see that. Chicago O'Hare-Obama International Airport. Though I do like the idea of Honolulu a bit more.

Whenever I'm in Chicago my friends and people there always just seem to call it the "former Sears tower" unless they end up working in the building itself.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: usflyer msp
Posted 2012-12-10 20:08:43 and read 14291 times.

I say give DCA to Obama and rename ONT or LGB after Reagan. Most DC residents detest Ronald Reagan and were very upset when congress renamed their airport after him, so it would be a win-win.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: usflyer msp
Posted 2012-12-10 20:18:15 and read 14204 times.

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 14):
So Obama is the first Black president, that makes him worthy of an airport?

Who said that (other than you)? If Reagan, Bill and Hillary Clinton, George Bush No. 1 and Gerald Ford can have airports named after them so can President Obama.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: Viajero
Posted 2012-12-10 20:32:00 and read 14109 times.

From an outside perspective, I agree with others here that Chicago's airports will not likely be renamed, however, I feel that Barack Obama will have an airport named after him somewhere in the U.S. Due to recent history, most presidents since Reagan have been honored in such a way, with the exception of George W. Bush. IIRC, the airport in Little Rock, Arkansas is now named after Bill AND Hillary Clinton. HNL would be a good choice due to Obama's childhood history.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: iFlyLOTs
Posted 2012-12-10 20:33:04 and read 14093 times.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 15):
Who said that (other than you)?
Quoting jfklganyc (Thread starter):
In the case of Obama, you have the nations first African American President
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 5):
African American President overrides WW2 in a city that is overwhelmingly minority in terms of political will.

It was the reasoning from the very beginning.  

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: SixtySeven
Posted 2012-12-10 20:37:04 and read 14067 times.

Funny this about Reagan. When I used to fly to DCA after the name changed from National, the ATC guys would not acknowledge the name change. Their beef with RR was that deep. If you asked a second time on check in they'd say something like "This is Washington national tower, cleared to land."

Would not even acknowledge Reagan's name. They hate him and always will.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: 727LOVER
Posted 2012-12-10 20:38:32 and read 14030 times.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 15):

Whats the official name of LIT? When was this?

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: mayor
Posted 2012-12-10 20:48:13 and read 13972 times.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 9):
This along with people still calling U.S. Cellular Field Comiskey Park just goes to show how much we don't like change here in Chicago.

I still call the, now, Energy Solutions Arena (what a hokey name) in SLC, the Delta Center and probably always will.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 15):
Who said that (other than you)? If Reagan, Bill and Hillary Clinton, George Bush No. 1 and Gerald Ford can have airports named after them so can President Obama.

I think it was the thread starter, from the beginning....

Quoting jfklganyc (Thread starter):
In the case of Obama, you have the nations first African American President
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 5):
African American President overrides WW2 in a city that is overwhelmingly minority in terms of political will

I'm not trying to make this political, but to link a Medal of Honor winner with Obama is just wrong.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: Viajero
Posted 2012-12-10 20:57:13 and read 13931 times.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 19):
Whats the official name of LIT? When was this?

Bill and Hillary Clinton National / Adams Field. Happened this year.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: Beardown91737
Posted 2012-12-11 00:55:23 and read 13586 times.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 9):
This along with people still calling U.S. Cellular Field Comiskey Park just goes to show how much we don't like change here in Chicago.

People also still call Soldier Field "Soldier's" even though it was never named that.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 13):
I say give DCA to Obama and rename ONT or LGB after Reagan.

ONT has little connection to Reagan. SNA would be a better candidate, or maybe LAX would. ONT would be more closely connected to Nixon than to any other president. He would announce candidacies from Pomona and he did use ONT in his travels.


Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 3):
Both airports have names associated with World War 2, and it would be hard to find anybody with the political will to change them

I agree with that. IMO, MDW is the more untouchable of the two from my former North Side perspective of public opinion.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: HNLPointShoot
Posted 2012-12-11 01:07:43 and read 13571 times.

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 14):
So Obama is the first Black president, that makes him worthy of an airport? Wasn't it Martin Luther King that said "I have a dream that a man will be judged not by the color of his skin but the content of his character"?

He's the first President to have been born in Hawaii, and the first President to come from Illinois since Reconstruction (Ulysses S. Grant), so I fail to see how his ethnicity is relevant.

That said, I'd rather see a Barack Obama High School before Barack Obama International Airport (even though he graduated from a private school.)

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: HA_DC9
Posted 2012-12-11 01:19:36 and read 13998 times.

Oh hell no! Keep HNL, Honolulu International Airport. I swear the "Obamamania" can get down right ridiculous at times. Besides, a lot of things can happen over the next 4 years that could tarnish his presidency/legacy just like several previous commanders in chief before him.

I agree, i'd rather see an HS named after him before an airport.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-12-11 01:36:41 and read 13916 times.

Am I the only one who really likes the current names for the Chicago airports? Is there really any political will to do this? IMHO, it would be simpler to pick an airfield with a name that isn't as well known. Hey, LAX needs a name besides "LAX."  

How many still call DCA "National" instead of Reagan?

Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 21):

I hear KORD is going to change when it becomes Obama Field.

It'll now be KLIF.

  

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: quiet1
Posted 2012-12-11 02:41:18 and read 13957 times.

With a further nod to history: O'Hare/Obama/Orchard International AIrport?  

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: jcwr56
Posted 2012-12-11 03:01:11 and read 13860 times.

If it wasn't done with the former Mayor Harold Washington, it's not going happen with POTUS. Or look at it this way, even both Daley's were smart enough not to change the names of ORD and MDW.

However, if the current mayor finally works out a deal to privatize MDW by years end, then perhaps the new "owners" might have the courage to change it.

Sadly, money talks this day and age.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: strfyr51
Posted 2012-12-11 03:48:12 and read 13643 times.

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 3):

Not a chance. They Could change the name to Barack Obama International but changing the Designator from HNL?
Senator Feinstein (Then Mayor) tried that at SFO after Mayor Moscone was assassinated . The FAA said she could name the airport whatever she damn well pleased BUT the SFO designator would remain as MOS was Moscow, and it wasn't going anywhere.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: STT757
Posted 2012-12-11 03:52:16 and read 13565 times.

I agree with those that say leave ORD and MDW, they're already named. Perhaps HNL or Springfield (SPI).

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: IMissPiedmont
Posted 2012-12-11 03:55:34 and read 13539 times.

Perhaps it's time for cities to no longer name their airports after ex presidents. Anytime someone asks if I'm flying into Reagan airport I tell them that I'm flying into National, likewise Intercontinental for Houston.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: STT757
Posted 2012-12-11 04:10:38 and read 13476 times.

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 31):
Perhaps it's time for cities to no longer name their airports after ex presidents. Anytime someone asks if I'm flying into Reagan airport I tell them that I'm flying into National, likewise Intercontinental for Houston.



What about JFK, you're flying into Idlewild?

While we're naming airports I think MCO should be renamed "Walt Disney International Airport". Walt Disney, the man, is responsible for most of the economic activity in the region and for putting Orlando on the map. If anyone deserved to have a local airport named after them it should be Walt Disney.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: DarkSnowyNight
Posted 2012-12-11 05:01:50 and read 12998 times.

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
I'd doubt it, actually. O'Hare and Midway's names are both so well-known that I have a hard time thinking the city would go along with the change.

I agree, political will & all that. Although, a new field being built would not be out of the question to have that for a name...

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 3):
HNL to me is the obvious future Barack Obama International Airport.

I don't think think there's anything wrong with that idea.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
I tell a foreigner when they visit Chicago "Hey did you visit the Willis Tower?" and they give me a confused look until I say "Sears Tower." Then they know what I'm saying.

Not really. They just renamed it. Give it five years. No one calls the AON Center the Standard Oil Building anymore. That one even had a nickname.

Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 21):

Good one...

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 26):
How many still call DCA "National" instead of Reagan?

Lots. And it's fine to do so, given that it's Reagan National anyway.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 26):
Hey, LAX needs a name besides "LAX."

LAX is fine the way it is. Also, no connection here In N Out Int'l to President O...

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: aluminumtubing
Posted 2012-12-11 05:31:34 and read 12734 times.

Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 25):
I swear the "Obamamania" can get down right ridiculous at times.

Amen to that!

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: NMORD
Posted 2012-12-11 05:50:29 and read 12493 times.

Peotone could use a name - hahaha

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: ckfred
Posted 2012-12-11 06:01:18 and read 12432 times.

Remember that ATL was Hartsfield-Atlanta International Airport. I believe William Hartsfield was the Mayor of Atlanta who pushed the idea of a municipal airport.

Then, it became Hartsfield/Jackson-Atlanta International Airport. Maynard Jackson, I believe, was the first black to be elected as Mayor of Atlanta, and he was a part of the group who brought the Olympics to Atlanta.

Yet, many people in Atlanta simply refer to the airport as Hartsfield, despite the name change.

So, even if something in Chicago is renamed for Obama, many people probably will keep calling it by the old name. The Aon Tower is usually called the Standard Oil Building, even though Standard Oil/Amoco/BP left the building some time ago.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: bdl2stl2pvg
Posted 2012-12-11 06:30:49 and read 12050 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 30):
Perhaps HNL or Springfield (SPI).


Well, even though its been almost 150 years since his death, I think that renaming Abraham Lincoln Capital Airport (SPI) would not be a well supported action.

[Edited 2012-12-11 06:31:30]

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: max550
Posted 2012-12-11 06:53:16 and read 11789 times.

Quoting bond007 (Reply 7):
Bear in mind, very few airports are named after people still alive.

But when it comes to Presidents the opposite seems to hold true. Bush, Reagan, Clinton, and Ford all had airports named for them while they were (are) still living

Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 25):
Oh hell no! Keep HNL, Honolulu International Airport. I swear the "Obamamania" can get down right ridiculous at times. Besides, a lot of things can happen over the next 4 years that could tarnish his presidency/legacy just like several previous commanders in chief before him.

I don't think it's "Obamamania". Considering we've had airports renamed for several of the last few Presidents it seems like a perfectly valid question. I agree with you about HNL though, there's no need to change any more airport names.

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 31):
Perhaps it's time for cities to no longer name their airports after ex presidents. Anytime someone asks if I'm flying into Reagan airport I tell them that I'm flying into National, likewise Intercontinental for Houston.

Agreed, how about no more name changes at all? Although I enjoy the irony when the TSA confiscates any liquids I may have and then runs me through a body scanner at Liberty International Airport (EWR), name changes are generally pointless exercises.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: SmittyOne
Posted 2012-12-11 07:01:59 and read 11670 times.

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 14):
Wasn't it Martin Luther King that said "I have a dream that a man will be judged not by the color of his skin..."

Nor by the size of his airport, nor the quality of its concourses.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 26):
How many still call DCA "National" instead of Reagan?

I do.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-12-11 07:35:34 and read 11289 times.

Isn't GYY looking for a name? And for all accounts GYY is in Chicagoland.
Maybe if it's named after a U.S. president that airport would see some kind of major development and traffic.
HNL named after Obama is also a good idea, perhaps better than a Chicaland airport named after him, after all Hawaiian "HNL Obama" would be a great way to remind the U.S. how diverse its people are.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: ordjoe
Posted 2012-12-11 07:36:28 and read 11264 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Thread starter):
he is very closely linked to his hometown of Chicago.

I would say HNL is more his hometown, he has only lived in Chicago since the 90s

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 5):
African American President overrides WW2 in a city that is overwhelmingly minority in terms of political will.

I would not go that far, chicago has so many different minority groups that none get big enough to truly dominate the political landscape. Take the recent mayorial election, you had a black lady, a hispanic, and Rahm Emanuel, and look who won that.

It would be highly controversial to change either of those names. They have tried selling the naming rights to Solider's Field where the Bears play and that has never got off the ground. The most they could get was Soliders field presented by Chase Bank. To change an airport named after a WWII hero or the battle that turned the course of the war in the pacific would be political suicide.
The best chance is if there is an extra airport built, then that will have a good chance.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: DashTrash
Posted 2012-12-11 07:47:52 and read 11143 times.

Name Meigs Field after him......

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: RDH3E
Posted 2012-12-11 07:48:52 and read 11130 times.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 13):
Most DC residents detest Ronald Reagan and were very upset when congress renamed their airport after him, so it would be a win-win.

But I'd guess that most of the users of DCA probably don't mind the name. The demographics of DC are quite interesting as you probably know.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 26):
Am I the only one who really likes the current names for the Chicago airports?

No, I very much like O'hare International Airport. And like many others feel a sense of pride when walking past the memorial to "Butch".

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 28):
If it wasn't done with the former Mayor Harold Washington, it's not going happen with POTUS. Or look at it this way, even both Daley's were smart enough not to change the names of ORD and MDW.

Yeah, Harold Washington has the Library/Subsequent "L" stop named after him. The library is an absolutely beautiful building, and I could see something similar in the short term after Obama's term in office.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 33):

Not really. They just renamed it. Give it five years. No one calls the AON Center the Standard Oil Building anymore. That one even had a nickname.

It's been only 3 so far, but in 5, they'll have only 7 years left on their rights ot the name...

"A Willis spokesman said the naming rights were obtained as part of the negotiations at no cost to Willis,[33][34][35] and the building was renamed the Willis Tower on July 16, 2009.[36] The naming rights are valid for 15 years so it is possible that the building’s name could change again in 2024.[37] "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Tower#Naming_rights

Rumor is, with UA consolidating offices into Willis, and becoming the biggest leaseholder, there may be a name change sometime in the future....

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: BC77008
Posted 2012-12-11 08:02:16 and read 11000 times.

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 37):
They can change the city code to DEBT for everything he left us

Great idea! An airport named after George W. Bush. Perhaps DFW???

Quoting Beardown91737 (Reply 23):
I agree with that. IMO, MDW is the more untouchable of the two from my former North Side perspective of public opinion.

I'd rather see Midway renamed Chicago-Midway Obama Int'l -vs- O'Hare because O'Hare is actually named for a person. But in either case, I say leave Chicago's airports alone. Let's just get a presidential library and be ok with that.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: DarkSnowyNight
Posted 2012-12-11 08:03:31 and read 10932 times.

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 44):

Rumor is, with UA consolidating offices into Willis, and becoming the biggest leaseholder, there may be a name change sometime in the future...

Right. Possible, but not certain. If they did switch it over to the biggest leaseholder though, that probably wouldn't swing it back to Sears. United Tower. That might stick....

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: n797mx
Posted 2012-12-11 08:06:13 and read 10911 times.

How about they name Meigs after hi-...

Oh wait...   

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: max550
Posted 2012-12-11 08:09:00 and read 10885 times.

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 44):
But I'd guess that most of the users of DCA probably don't mind the name. The demographics of DC are quite interesting as you probably know.

I'm guessing you haven't used DCA much. Nobody in DC calls it Reagan, it's National. The few times I made the mistake of calling it Reagan in DC I was quickly corrected.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: RDH3E
Posted 2012-12-11 08:21:00 and read 10745 times.

Quoting max550 (Reply 48):
I'm guessing you haven't used DCA much. Nobody in DC calls it Reagan, it's National. The few times I made the mistake of calling it Reagan in DC I was quickly corrected.

Just cause you continue using National as the name doesn't mean you hate the Reagan name... It's a habit, and not to mention National is still part of the name.... http://www.metwashairports.com/reagan/reagan.htm

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: 26point2
Posted 2012-12-11 08:21:22 and read 10753 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 5):

I hope not. There's already a George Bush airport in Texas. Imagine the confusion. "Who's on First?..."

Why don't they name Bagdad Airport for George W?

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: milesrich
Posted 2012-12-11 08:38:36 and read 10565 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Thread starter):
Starters...I don't care about politics, so let's not get lost in the weeds.

Several US Presidents have airports named after them. Usually a historic President or a hometown President.

In the case of Obama, you have the nations first African American President...and he is very closely linked to his hometown of Chicago. He also seems to be very popular there and the current Mayor is Obama's former Chief of Staff.

Do we forsee a name change of either airport over the next decade? If so, which air
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 5):
African American President overrides WW2 in a city that is overwhelmingly minority in terms of political will.

Case in point Atlanta Hartsfield...doesn't that have Jackson in it now?
Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 9):
This along with people still calling U.S. Cellular Field Comiskey Park just goes to show how much we don't like change here in Chicago.

These are the airports, named after Presidents. John F. Kennedy International Airport - New York, New York

George Bush Intercontinental Airport - Houston, Texas

Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport - Washington, DC

Gerald R. Ford International Airport - Grand Rapids, Michigan

Abraham Lincoln Capital Airport - Springfield, Illinois

Dickinson Theodore Roosevelt Regional Airport - Dickinson, North Dakota

Bill and Hillary Clinton National Airport - formerly Little Rock Municipal Airport

Notice, the only Democrat, before the Little Rock renaming this year, is John F. Kennedy, who was assassinated and who also was a "young" seemingly dashing man, who was revered because he was shot, not because he was President for two terms, or passed a lot of meaningful legislation. Yes, he was a good leader, but the rush to name things after him took place in the wake of a terrible national tragedy. Furthermore, the prior official name was New York International Airport, Anderson Field, named for a General who had died in 1942. The airport was called Idlewild by most people and its designator was IDL, named after the golf course that used to occupy part of its space. I can assure you I was just as much an airline buff when I moved to NYC in 1962 and when IDL was the primary airport for jet flights, and not only did no one call it Anderson Field, few knew that was the official name, so there was no protest about taking General Anderson's name off the field in December 1963 when the official name was changed to JFK.

The original poster said not to be political, but that is what this is all about. Republicans, IMHO, have sort of an inferiority complex. The only Presidents that they wanted to claim before Reagan were Eisenhower, Teddy Roosevelt and Lincoln. It used to be we didn't name things after living people, but that all changed when Reaganism took the country by storm. The four terms of FDR so stuck in their craw that the first thing they did after taking over the Congress after his death was pass that 22nd Amendment. Never again would that have to refer to anyone as "THAT MAN". Can you imagine today if FDR was around. Fox News would refer to him as that philandering crippled nightly. When I was a kid, a popular GOP tale was that FDR knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor and her purposefully didn't warn anyone because he wanted a surprise attack so he could take us into WWII. There were radio personalities like Father Coughlin that referred to him as Franklin Delano Jewsevelt.

So after the 2nd Coming in the name of Ronald Wilson Reagan, the GOP wanted to name everything after him, and wih DCA, they got their way, but when they wanted to replace FDR on the Dime, that didn't go over too well.

Grand Rapids named their airport which was formerly the Kent County Airport after Gerald R. Ford, their Congressman who became President after being appointed to replace a criminal, Spiro Agnew, and then became President when another criminal resigned during the Watergate scandal.

So when George H. W. Bush, a one term President who was more unpopular than Jimmy Carter when he left office (he got 37% of the vote), went back to Houston, they named IAH after him, since they had named their older airport, after a living person, former Texas Governor William P. Hobby, who was a civic leader and head of the major Houston newspaper, the Post.

During this same, let's name things after Republicans because so many things are named Roosevelt, or Kennedy, time, Republicans spent millions to erect small highway signs all over the country to name the Interstate Highway system, after its creator, Dwight D. Eisenhower.

O'Hare will always be O'Hare. No one ever called it Orchard Place to begin with. And it was a C-54 plant before it was a commercial airport, and really not used very much before the advent of the B-707.

Midway, named after the battle in the Pacific, will not be renamed either.

As far as SPI, it was the Springfield Capital Airport before it was named for Lincoln in the last 20 years or so.

I will never call National Airport "Reagan" and I still call IAH Intercontinental. ATL will always be Hartsfield. Changing names of landmarks to me is distasteful. It is like burying someone on top of a loved one and removing and replacing the original headstone. .


But Obama will get an airport named after him and it won't replace anyone else's monument. HNL will probably end up officially name Barack Obama Honolulu International Airport. Hawaii is not the home to too many birthers or other crackpots who think our President is a Muslim, a Marxist, or even a Socialist, let alone a Nazi.

[Edited 2012-12-11 09:23:17]

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: Kaiarahi
Posted 2012-12-11 09:12:20 and read 10158 times.

JFK started out as Major General Alexander E. Anderson Airport in 1943, was renamed NY International Airport, Anderson Field in 1948, and then JFK in 1963. It was never actually named Idlewild.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: Kaiarahi
Posted 2012-12-11 09:19:57 and read 10094 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
Canada has had 22 Prime Ministers (22 different people; a few served more than once) and if memory correct, 4 have airports named for them (Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Saskatoon).

We even have one named after someone who failed to become Prime Minister - Robert L. Stanfield International (YHZ).

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: RDH3E
Posted 2012-12-11 09:20:44 and read 10103 times.

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 55):
JFK started out as Major General Alexander E. Anderson Airport in 1943, was renamed NY International Airport, Anderson Field in 1948, and then JFK in 1963. It was never actually named Idlewild.

Just saying:

"In April 1942, New York City began placing hydraulic fill over the marshy tidelands of Idlewild Golf Course. Initial plans were for a modest 1,000-acre airport, but by the time construction was complete Idlewild Airport had grown to five times that size. Commercial flights began in July 1948. On December 24, 1963, the airport was rededicated John F. Kennedy International Airport in memory of the nation’s 35th president. Today, JFK is the nation’s leading international gateway, with more than 80 airlines operating from its gates. "

http://www.panynj.gov/airports/jfk-history.html

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: Kaiarahi
Posted 2012-12-11 09:29:38 and read 9910 times.

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 57):

Yeah, I know. Everyone called it Idlewild, but that was never its name.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: steex
Posted 2012-12-11 09:33:20 and read 9873 times.

Quoting milesrich (Reply 51):
These are the airports, named after Presidents.

A few more:

Jimmy Carter Regional Airport (ACJ)
F.D. Roosevelt Airport (EUX)

Additionally, STT was previously known as Harry S. Truman Airport before being renamed for Cyril E. King.

[Edited 2012-12-11 09:34:09]

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: CalebWilliams
Posted 2012-12-11 09:33:53 and read 9866 times.

On a completely unrelated note (or nearly so), once the WII and baby boomer generation is gone, people are going to more and more quickly forget the Battle of Midway as time goes by. Sad, yes.

[Edited 2012-12-11 09:34:26]

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: tjwgrr
Posted 2012-12-11 09:37:26 and read 9829 times.

Quoting milesrich (Reply 51):
These are the airports, named after Presidents. ...........

......So after the 2nd Coming in the name of Ronald Wilson Reagan, the GOP wanted to name everything after him, and wih DCA, they got their way, but when they wanted to replace FDR on the Dime, that didn't go over too well.

Grand Rapids named their airport which was formerly the Kent County Airport after Gerald R. Ford, their Congressman who became President after being appointed to replace a criminal, Spiro Agnew, and then became President when another criminal resigned during the Watergate scandal.

So when George H. W. Bush, a one term President who was more unpopular than Jimmy Carter when he left office (he got 37% of the vote), went back to Houston, they named IAH after him, since they had named their older airport, after a living person, former Texas Governor William P. Hobby, who was a civic leader and head of the major Houston newspaper, the Post.

During this same, let's name things after Republicans because so many things are named Roosevelt, or Kennedy, time, Republicans spent millions to erect small highway signs all over the country to name the Interstate Highway system, after its creator, Dwight D. Eisenhower.

.But Obama will get an airport named after him and it won't replace anyone else's monument. HNL will probably end up officially name Barack Obama Honolulu International Airport. Hawaii is not the home to too many birthers or other crackpots who think our President is a Muslim, a Marxist, or even a Socialist, let alone a Nazi.


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This is getting ridiculous.

Mods-- please delete this post and/or move the entire thread to the Non-Av forum.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: airsmiles
Posted 2012-12-11 09:46:20 and read 9704 times.

Speaking as a Brit, O'Hare is one of the few US airports anyone in my country could quote. To change the name would be very regretful indeed. From my personal perspective I've flown to/from/through it so many times I'd be sad to see O'Hare renamed as well.

They rename airports in the UK as well and there aren't many that end up with sensible names IMHO.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: SixtySeven
Posted 2012-12-11 10:05:07 and read 9495 times.

Quoting milesrich (Reply 52):
Quoting Beardown91737 (Reply 23):
Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 9):
This along with people still calling U.S. Cellular Field Comiskey Park just goes to show how much we don't like change here in Chicago.

People also still call Soldier Field "Soldier's" even though it was never named that.

And the subject of this thread during an interview after throwing out the first pitch was speaking of his true love, the White Sox and how he used to love going down to Cominski Field....... Talking out his ass again.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-12-11 10:13:10 and read 9414 times.

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 3):
But what about HNL? HNL to me is the obvious future Barack Obama International Airport.

That's a really good point. Although, wouldn't Nairobi International be the new Barack Obama International Airport? At least, that's what Orly Taitz and Donald Trump tell me these days.  

[Edited 2012-12-11 10:13:46]

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: delta747tlv
Posted 2012-12-11 10:41:07 and read 9126 times.

OGG? How about NBO for those who like silly political humor?

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: iowaman
Posted 2012-12-11 10:41:56 and read 9138 times.

Greetings fellow members,

I kindly ask you all to stay on topic and avoid turning this into a political or race debate that is unrelated to aviation. The delete requests have been pouring in and nearly all of them are from this thread. I hope to avoid having to gut this thread any further and/or take any more action to ensure forum rules are followed.

Regards,
Kevin/iowaman

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: skywaymanaz
Posted 2012-12-11 11:07:33 and read 8903 times.

At the risk of getting flamed I wouldn't be surprised if NBO was named after him or more likely another airport in Kenya. If I were Kenyan I'd be proud that his father was Kenyan. That has nothing to do with the birther issue and it is not uncommon for streets or plazas abroad to be named for a US President.

If I ever became President besides hell freezing over first there might be speculation BJX would be renamed for me after I left office. I'm as Mexican as Obama is Kenyan and my family is from Guanajuato. Also I've joked if I ever became President there'd be birthers claiming I was born there, haha.

Fear not I'll probably never run for dog catcher so I'll only get something named for me by building it myself. HNL would be my guess for Obama International. If NGF became a civilian airport then maybe since he vacations next to it.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: tmoney
Posted 2012-12-11 11:23:36 and read 8744 times.

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 49):
Why don't they name Bagdad Airport for George W?

  

On a serious note, I'd love to see my country's main airport Yangon Intl (RGN) to honor The Lady -- Aung San Suu Kyi International Airport. She brought my country to the Intl stage. I will advocate for that! What's even better? Her father, the country's founding father, General Aung San's name is already in her name! The dictators will surely flip tho. Ha!

And if there is to be a second airport, it should be named "U Thant International".

And I think I can put up with HNL becoming Honolulu - Barack Obama International. The "HNL" designation should be kept of course.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: ADent
Posted 2012-12-11 11:55:35 and read 8502 times.

I grew up in Chicago and moved out prior to the Obama era - but I don't consider Obama to be from Chicago. He didn't grow up there. He didn't get along with the black political machine (aka Jesse Jackson). He moved there after college to find a job.

Do current residents of the Chicago area claim Obama? Just wondering. Or is this a divided result. One side considers him a true-blue Chicagoan and the other side doesn't?

I would think HNL would be more appropriate.

If they rename (add a name to) Midway it should be after Daley. Or maybe CGX?

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: jmc1975
Posted 2012-12-11 12:07:59 and read 8379 times.

Either airport could be subject to the Obamization of its name. A lot of crazy crap happens in the Chicago political arena, so replacing either airport's name with Obama's name is not so far-fetched. Just look at what Mayor Daley did to Meigs Field! And also the aforementioned change from Sears Tower to Willis Tower.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: type-rated
Posted 2012-12-11 13:31:06 and read 7710 times.

BO was in Chicago both before and after college.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: D L X
Posted 2012-12-11 13:39:47 and read 7661 times.

Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 23):
I swear the "Obamamania" can get down right ridiculous at times.
Quoting aluminumtubing (Reply 32):
Amen to that!

Do you call it Reagan Airport?

If you want to talk about some sort of mania, there's your mania.

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 37):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 26):
How many still call DCA "National" instead of Reagan?

I do.

I do as well, and at least a good chunk of the people who have been in DC 20+ years call it National as well. However, almost none of the newbies call it that.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: kordcj
Posted 2012-12-11 13:54:58 and read 7518 times.

As a native Chicagoan, I'd hate to see O'Hare renamed after Obama. Little was known about Obama until the early 2000s. The only name change I'd agree with for ORD is Richard Daley International Airport. Leave out the middle initial to acknowledge both of them. They both saw the value in the airport for the city, and did all they could (ethical or not who knows) to make sure that ORD would thrive and expand.
On the subject of MDW, what was it called prior to WWII? Hasn't it been open since the 1920s?

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: iFlyLOTs
Posted 2012-12-11 14:06:26 and read 7389 times.

Quoting kordcj (Reply 70):
On the subject of MDW, what was it called prior to WWII? Hasn't it been open since the 1920s?

It was Chicago Air Park then it was Chicago Municipal

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: steex
Posted 2012-12-11 14:07:17 and read 7388 times.

Quoting kordcj (Reply 70):
On the subject of MDW, what was it called prior to WWII? Hasn't it been open since the 1920s?

It was named Chicago Air Park until July 1949.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: SixtySeven
Posted 2012-12-11 14:13:31 and read 7330 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 69):
I do as well, and at least a good chunk of the people who have been in DC 20+ years call it National as well. However, almost none of the newbies call it that.

Just as it's still called Dorval up north of the border in Montreal vs Trudeau.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: AADC10
Posted 2012-12-11 14:27:36 and read 7237 times.

I doubt either ORD or MDW will ever be named after Obama in his lifetime. There is enough underlying racism to prevent it. Republicans, despite claiming to be for smaller government, like to put the names of Republican politicians on any government built facilities they can. Democratic politicians mostly get smaller airports that are trying to attract attention, so there will probably not be a big push for HNL either.

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 67):
Just look at what Mayor Daley did to Meigs Field! And also the aforementioned change from Sears Tower to Willis Tower.

Look for another change after the Willis naming rights end in 2024. United Airlines Tower perhaps, after the largest tenant? United may not want it if the 9/11 connotations have not faded sufficiently by then.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: TrnsWrld
Posted 2012-12-11 14:32:53 and read 7185 times.

Even though its nothing more than a name, I sure hope they dont name a Chicago airport after Obama. I do not support that man and certainly didnt vote for him. Anyway, like others above have stated I dont think he is tied to Chicago enough for that to happen. He certainly wasnt born or raised here thats for sure. If i remember correctly he was born in Hawaii, then went to Indonesia at a young age, then back to Hawaii, then wherever he went to college.

For what its worth myself and pretty much everyone I know still refers to the Sears Tower as the Sears Tower (not willis lol). Heck, I even know people that still call U.S. Cellular Field Comiskey Park.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-12-11 14:34:02 and read 7192 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 24):
How many still call DCA "National" instead of Reagan?

A great many of us who actually live here (as opposed to being part of the federal rotation) still call it "National."

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Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-12-11 14:43:00 and read 7093 times.

Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 73):
Just as it's still called Dorval up north of the border in Montreal vs Trudeau.

Yes, but Dorval is the municipality in which Trudeau airport is located.

As the airport occupies 60% of the city's land, the city would also have to be renamed, yes?

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: RamblinMan
Posted 2012-12-11 14:45:40 and read 7079 times.

They can name 'em whatever the hell they want. We'll keep calling them O'Hare and Midway, and thats all there is to it.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: YULWinterSkies
Posted 2012-12-11 14:49:08 and read 7016 times.

Considering that his path to the White House all started in Iowa (Iowa City in particular) with the Democrat primaries in '08, and considering the countless trips he did to the Hawkeye state, his name should go to CID.
That would be a welcome change from the currently boring "Eastern Iowa Airport".

Now, admittedly that would not be a very visible name, as the biggest a/c there is a CRJ200 (!) -except for Allegiant's MadDogs, ocasional cargo, and AF1 until November....-, but if Chicago does not claim the name, why not!

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: displane
Posted 2012-12-11 14:53:43 and read 6969 times.

My guess is that Obama will get a warship named after him first before an airport. But I'm like sot people if he does get an airport it will be HNL- his birthplace.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: CalebWilliams
Posted 2012-12-11 14:56:30 and read 6943 times.

Quoting TrnsWrld (Reply 75):

Even though its nothing more than a name, I sure hope they dont name a Chicago airport after Obama. I do not support that man and certainly didnt vote for him. Anyway, like others above have stated I dont think he is tied to Chicago enough for that to happen. He certainly wasnt born or raised here thats for sure. If i remember correctly he was born in Hawaii, then went to Indonesia at a young age, then back to Hawaii, then wherever he went to college.

Just a point of information, Obama became involved in Chicago in June 1985 or. (See: http://www.tnr.com/article/the-agita...amas-unlikely-political-education) Or about 23.5 years between then and when he became president in Jan. 2008. I do understand that he wasn't there continuously during that time, but probably more on than off between 1991 or so and 2006 when he started campaigning for pres.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: aloges
Posted 2012-12-11 15:06:02 and read 6875 times.

What is the deal with naming airports after living people? I find it highly inappropriate, particular so in the case of DCA whose purported name is just an extended middle finger.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2012-12-11 15:07:22 and read 6882 times.

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 41):
But I'd guess that most of the users of DCA probably don't mind the name. The demographics of DC are quite interesting as you probably know.

In DC, what you call the airport is a large clue to your political orientation.

And 85% or so of DC residents are Democrats. (The metro area as a whole is much more politically diverse, but most Republicans live in the 'burbs, and tend to use Dulles.)

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: brilondon
Posted 2012-12-11 15:21:07 and read 6761 times.

Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 17):
Funny this about Reagan. When I used to fly to DCA after the name changed from National, the ATC guys would not acknowledge the name change. Their beef with RR was that deep. If you asked a second time on check in they'd say something like "This is Washington national tower, cleared to land."

Would not even acknowledge Reagan's name. They hate him and always will.

It would not have anything to do with them being fired by Reagan and forcing them to reapply for their old jobs at a lower rate of pay of course?

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: micstatic
Posted 2012-12-11 15:32:47 and read 6666 times.

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 72):
Democratic politicians mostly get smaller airports that are trying to attract attention, so there will probably not be a big push for HNL either.

Well this is not completely true. Busiest airport in the US=ATL. Hartsfield and Jackson both democrats.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: milesrich
Posted 2012-12-11 15:34:11 and read 6653 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 5):
African American President overrides WW2 in a city that is overwhelmingly minority in terms of political will.

Chicago is not "minority in terms of political will," and Chicago does not rename things. Obama will have things named after him in Chicago, but O'Hare and Midway Airports will remain O'Hare and Midway. There has only been one African American Mayor in Chicago, Harold Washington and that was a long long time ago.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 5):
Case in point Atlanta Hartsfield...doesn't that have Jackson in it now?

Atlanta, on the other hand is a majority African American city and has not had a white mayor in 40 years.

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 77):
Now, admittedly that would not be a very visible name, as the biggest a/c there is a CRJ200 (!) -except for Allegiant's MadDogs, ocasional cargo, and AF1 until November....-, but if Chicago does not claim the name, why not!
CID has E-170's and E-190's to DEN, and CRJ-700's to ORD

[Edited 2012-12-11 15:34:49]

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: milesrich
Posted 2012-12-11 15:43:43 and read 6595 times.

Quoting kordcj (Reply 68):
As a native Chicagoan, I'd hate to see O'Hare renamed after Obama. Little was known about Obama until the early 2000s. The only name change I'd agree with for ORD is Richard Daley International Airport. Leave out the middle initial to acknowledge both of them. They both saw the value in the airport for the city, and did all they could (ethical or not who knows) to make sure that ORD would thrive and expand.

They are never going to change the name of O'Hare, who like Daley was Irish, and who was a real war hero and the first Congressional Medal of Honor winner in WWII to Daley or anything else. Colonel Robert McCormick, owner of the Tribune and a member of the family that owned International Harvester, suggested the name change when ORD was an almost abandoned military field in 1949. ORD didn't get any commercial flights until 1955 and until jets in 1959, only saw a flight or two a day per airline.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: 777ord
Posted 2012-12-11 15:57:56 and read 6489 times.

We already changed the SEARS tower name... Please not the airports!! :-p

I like calling them what they are now. But, it does make a good point from the original poster!

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: WROORD
Posted 2012-12-11 16:22:45 and read 6307 times.

Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 17):
Would not even acknowledge Reagan's name. They hate him and always will.

That is not because this is DC as someone said earlier, but rather what he did during the air traffic controllers strike.

As for Obama I do not think that he will have an airport named after him in US. I will just stop here as this is not a political site. Anyways Carter does not have any airport named after him.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: bjorn14
Posted 2012-12-11 16:35:07 and read 6233 times.

Quoting WROORD (Reply 87):
s Carter does not have any airport named after

Yes he does, Jimmy Carter Regional Airport (ACJ) in Americus, GA.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: CIDFlyer
Posted 2012-12-11 17:05:39 and read 6028 times.

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 77):
Considering that his path to the White House all started in Iowa (Iowa City in particular) with the Democrat primaries in '08, and considering the countless trips he did to the Hawkeye state, his name should go to CID.That would be a welcome change from the currently boring "Eastern Iowa Airport".Now, admittedly that would not be a very visible name, as the biggest a/c there is a CRJ200 (!) -except for Allegiant's MadDogs, ocasional cargo, and AF1 until November....-, but if Chicago does not claim the name, why not!

you forgot F9's E90's and soon to be A320  

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: jetpixx
Posted 2012-12-11 17:25:33 and read 5907 times.

I dislike this president, but I feel he should have an airport named after him...

How about Chicago-Gary Obama International Airport (GYY), or maybe the Chicago-Peotone Obama International Airport -  

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: SixtySeven
Posted 2012-12-11 18:57:32 and read 5370 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 75):
Yes, but Dorval is the municipality in which Trudeau airport is located.

As the airport occupies 60% of the city's land, the city would also have to be renamed, yes?

Not the point. My point is that they still call it Dorval. The new name wasnt adopted by the public- the majority anyways.

Oddly enough YYZ is Pearson. Most people refer to it as Toronto. It's in the City of Mississauga.

Quoting WROORD (Reply 87):
That is not because this is DC as someone said earlier, but rather what he did during the air traffic controllers strike.

I wouldn't exactly have much of a love for him either. Firing the whole lot of them wasn't very endearing.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: redzeppelin
Posted 2012-12-11 19:17:16 and read 5228 times.

I suggested HNL earlier in the thread, but on second thought, what about IAD gettng the Obama name someday? "Obama Internatonal" could serve as a nice counterbalance to Reagan National. Of course, then we would have some major math to do to figure out how Thurgood Marshall affects that balance at BWI...

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-12-11 19:24:59 and read 5174 times.

Quoting milesrich (Reply 84):
Chicago does not rename things.

This. It takes someone who has lived in Chicago to understand. Truth be told, I'm not sure even transplants to Chicago get it - you may have to be a native. There's a reason that, for all of his moneymaking schemes, Tom Ricketts has not attempted to rename Wrigley. There's a reason the Chicago Stadium and Soldier Field never got names and the United Center has only ever had one. It's tough to explain, but how you put it is probably as succinct as possible.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: D L X
Posted 2012-12-11 20:26:20 and read 4960 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 81):
In DC, what you call the airport is a large clue to your political orientation.

It's pretty standard regardless of political affiliation. If you're a local, it's probably National. If you're a newcomer, it's probably Reagan.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: Aesma
Posted 2012-12-11 21:17:44 and read 4888 times.

To me it's best to name something new built, if possible the airport/building/park/town should have been decided by the person it is named after.

For example CDG was launched in 1964 when Charles de Gaulle was president.

Then, I feel it is common decency to wait for the death of that person, but that's just me.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: Beardown91737
Posted 2012-12-12 00:30:02 and read 4723 times.

Quoting HNLPointShoot (Reply 22):
He's the first President to have been born in Hawaii, and the first President to come from Illinois since Reconstruction (Ulysses S. Grant), so I fail to see how his ethnicity is relevant.

Ronald Reagan was born in Dixon, IL. He went to HS in that area, and he was the radio announcer for the Cubs. The I-88 tollway in Illinois is named for him.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 24):
Am I the only one who really likes the current names for the Chicago airports? Is there really any political will to do this? IMHO, it would be simpler to pick an airfield with a name that isn't as well known. Hey, LAX needs a name besides "LAX."

I also like the names. No political will to change the names.

Interesting suggestion about LAX since Obama had loads of support in LA County. Hope this isn't too far off topic, but he also has some LAX-connected notoriety because of the traffic tie-ups associated with his visits to LA. After the names "Obama-jam" and "Obamageddon" surfaced, the White House and Secret Service started moving him by Marine One as much as they could in LA to mitigate the ill will generated by the traffic tie-ups, even among his supporters.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: rwessel
Posted 2012-12-12 01:06:53 and read 4685 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 94):
This. It takes someone who has lived in Chicago to understand. Truth be told, I'm not sure even transplants to Chicago get it - you may have to be a native. There's a reason that, for all of his moneymaking schemes, Tom Ricketts has not attempted to rename Wrigley. There's a reason the Chicago Stadium and Soldier Field never got names and the United Center has only ever had one. It's tough to explain, but how you put it is probably as succinct as possible.

Chicagoans are still upset at Macy's for renaming Marshal Field's. Sales were off at the renamed stores for years. They could have made a trifling concession to 140 years of Chicago history and called it "Macy's Marshal Field's", and printed some green shopping bags, and everyone would have been OK. The Bank of Montreal clearly learned from Macy's lesson when they bought Harris, a long time Chicago banking fixture, and slapped "BMO Harris" signs on all the branches - and I've heard nary a peep.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: bond007
Posted 2012-12-12 03:48:51 and read 4597 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 94):
Chicago does not rename things.

This. It takes someone who has lived in Chicago to understand. Truth be told, I'm not sure even transplants to Chicago get it - you may have to be a native. There's a reason that, for all of his moneymaking schemes, Tom Ricketts has not attempted to rename Wrigley. There's a reason the Chicago Stadium and Soldier Field never got names and the United Center has only ever had one. It's tough to explain, but how you put it is probably as succinct as possible.

I'm afraid Chicago is little different from other cities when it comes to this. United Airlines pays $2 million/year for naming rights on the United Center, which is how it usually works for buildings with corporate names (Wrigley field excepted). ....Willis Tower, Aon Center, Franklin Center, all renamed. Soldier Field is owned by the city, hence no corporate name.


Jimbo

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-12-12 05:29:21 and read 4527 times.

Quoting bond007 (Reply 101):
...Willis Tower, Aon Center, Franklin Center, all renamed.

. . . but no one uses the names, so it's a huge waste of money. I had to google the Franklin Center, and when you say "Aon Center" to me, I think of the old Zenith headquarters in Glenview. You also ignore some of the obvious counterexamples like One Prudential Plaza (though that name has been tweaked), the Wrigley Building and Tribune Tower.

Quoting bond007 (Reply 101):
Soldier Field is owned by the city, hence no corporate name.

And ORD and MDW are owned by the city. Haven't you proven my point?

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: Kaiarahi
Posted 2012-12-12 05:35:24 and read 4504 times.

Quoting FLDude (Reply 100):
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 49):
But Obama will get an airport named after him and it won't replace anyone else's monument. HNL will probably end up officially name Barack Obama Honolulu International Airport. Hawaii is not the home to too many birthers or other crackpots who think our President is a Muslim, a Marxist, or even a Socialist, let alone a Nazi.

I enjoy having all viewpoints aired here.
You have wrongly attributed this post to me

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: kngkyle
Posted 2012-12-12 06:23:09 and read 4467 times.

I think 'United Tower' would be much more accepted by the community than 'Willis Tower'. At least United is a local company with their headquarters and main operations in the building. Plus 'United' isn't a weird and easily mocked name/word like Willis. I wonder how long the contract is for the current name...

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: 777ord
Posted 2012-12-12 07:03:36 and read 4423 times.

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 104):

haha! Sounds like some other rumor's around the 27th floor of NOC in WHQ! But, seeing as United was paid a nice sum of money to relocate to Chicago, I am not surprised SHOULD they invest in the building.... A building that is just over 50% occupied....

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: RDH3E
Posted 2012-12-12 07:24:14 and read 4406 times.

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 104):
I wonder how long the contract is for the current name...

2023, and they didn't pay a dime for the naming rights.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: bond007
Posted 2012-12-12 09:04:17 and read 4306 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 102):
Haven't you proven my point?

Sorry, I thought your point was that Chicago did NOT rename things ... I must have misunderstood  
...I mentioned 3 that had already, and reasons why the other's perhaps didn't.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 102):
. . . but no one uses the names, so it's a huge waste of money

As for nobody using the names, we'll see in another 10 years!
We've all mentioned Willis Tower so we all know about it obviously.
...and waste of money, well if you buy the building then it costs you nothing for free corporate advertising. If you could, of course you would change the name to your company's.

BUT .... little of this discussion is relevant for Airports!


Jimbo

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-12-12 09:11:07 and read 4295 times.

Quoting bond007 (Reply 107):
Sorry, I thought your point was that Chicago did NOT rename things ... I must have misunderstood

Yes. The City doesn't rename things it owns, like Soldier Field, O'Hare Field, and Midway Airport. I'll grant you that the words after O'Hare have changed, and I believe MDW is now Midway International, but nothing substantive has changed in any of the city owned landmarks. Navy Pier and McCormick Place, which are publicly-owned but not by the City, have also kept their names forever.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: milesrich
Posted 2012-12-12 10:03:47 and read 4249 times.

Quoting Beardown91737 (Reply 98):
Ronald Reagan was born in Dixon, IL. He went to HS in that area, and he was the radio announcer for the Cubs. The I-88 tollway in Illinois is named for him.

While Ronald Reagan spent many of his boyhood years in Dixon, he was born in Tampico, IL, in Whiteside County, which is near Prophetstown and south of Sterling - Rock Falls, and about 35 miles NE of the Quad Cities, where Reagan worked for WOC and its sister station, WHO in Des Moines, both owned by B. J. Palmer of Chiropractic fame. It was while in Iowa working for Palmer that he announced Chicago Cubs games via wire. He never worked the press box at Wrigley. Reagan also spent his some boyhood years in Galesburg.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: type-rated
Posted 2012-12-12 10:58:58 and read 4181 times.

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 103):
You have wrongly attributed this post to me

Sometimes the a.net software gets it wrong when you quote somebody. I've had it happen to me a few times.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2012-12-12 11:07:32 and read 4180 times.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 110):
Sometimes the a.net software gets it wrong when you quote somebody. I've had it happen to me a few times.

It's not a matter of the "a.net software." Its behavior is predictable: it says you are quoting the post directly below whichever "Quote Selected Text" button you click. When this happens it is a result of the user clicking the wrong "Quote Selected Text" button.

Is that a great system? No. But it always works the same way.

Topic: RE: ORD/MDW To Obama? Inevitable?
Username: iowaman
Posted 2012-12-12 11:25:29 and read 4175 times.

I think we can all agree this thread has ran its' course. Since it first started the thread continues to turn into political debates and veers off topic. This thread wil be archived for future searches.


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