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Topic: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: solnabo
Posted 2012-12-10 04:04:45 and read 16507 times.

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Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-10 04:22:56 and read 16403 times.

I agree:


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Think they should have done this long ago...

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: migair54
Posted 2012-12-10 04:25:34 and read 16386 times.

When is it suppose to be delivered??? I was in toulouse in August and I saw a QR airbus A320 with sharklest parked in front of ATR production line.
So how´s going to be first to operate the sharklets??

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-10 04:45:26 and read 16236 times.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 2):
When is it suppose to be delivered??? I was in toulouse in August and I saw a QR airbus A320 with sharklest parked in front of ATR production line.
So how´s going to be first to operate the sharklets??

The QR A320 with sharklets has IAE engines. The sharklets are only certified for the CFM version so far and its been said that Air Asia would receive the first aircraft with sharklets:


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Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: KL911
Posted 2012-12-10 05:58:18 and read 15900 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3):
The QR A320 with sharklets has IAE engines. The sharklets are only certified for the CFM version so far and its been said that Air Asia would receive the first aircraft with sharklets:

Forgive me for asking, but what do engines have to do with the installation of sharklets?

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: SKAirbus
Posted 2012-12-10 06:00:32 and read 15893 times.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
Forgive me for asking, but what do engines have to do with the installation of sharklets?


As the engines have different charactistics from power levels to aerodynamic shape, the winglets have to be certified separately for each type.

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: lostsound
Posted 2012-12-10 06:05:04 and read 15856 times.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):

Regulations state that any changes to an aircraft have to be certified with each engine variant the aircraft may be operated with. Because the new sharklets are an alteration to the wing, I'd assume the safety agencies would like to make sure no component of the wing has been compromised. While the wing itself doesn't change, the engines do so they need to approve both. That's my guess.

EDIT: Above poster has actual answer lol.

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Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: migair54
Posted 2012-12-10 07:52:51 and read 15512 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3):
The QR A320 with sharklets has IAE engines. The sharklets are only certified for the CFM version so far and its been said that Air Asia would receive the first aircraft with sharklets:

So, when are they planning to certified the QR plane, it was there ready on 1st of August, I´m sure that that plane has flown already. I though that was the first A-320 with sharklets after the test plane, but now according to you it will be Air Asia.

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-10 08:14:23 and read 15414 times.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 7):
So, when are they planning to certified the QR plane, it was there ready on 1st of August, I´m sure that that plane has flown already. I though that was the first A-320 with sharklets after the test plane, but now according to you it will be Air Asia.

The IAE version should be certified next year. Plus all the other versions, A319 and A321 would be certified next year as well. I understand that you would think the QR aircraft would have been the first, But seeing as how the CFM version A320 got its Sharklets first (on msn 001 and 5098) its not surprising they would be certified first vs the QR aircraft. If anything, im sure they are using the aircraft in question for the IAE Sharklet certification.

Regarding Air Asia being the first operator, it says so on the aircraft linked in my previous post, And for further confirmation:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ng-sharklet-equipped-a320s-379690/

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: DLD9S
Posted 2012-12-10 08:49:22 and read 15246 times.

Wow, that looks a lot like a EMB-195 from a distance.

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: starrymarkb
Posted 2012-12-10 14:13:52 and read 12702 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 1):

Think they should have done this long ago...


AIUI the cost of fuel has tipped the balance in favour Winglets on the A320. At lower prices the savings were outweighed by the cost of design/fitment.

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: DarkSnowyNight
Posted 2012-12-11 06:32:01 and read 8129 times.

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 10):

AIUI the cost of fuel has tipped the balance in favour Winglets on the A320. At lower prices the savings were outweighed by the cost of design/fitment.

While this is probably correct, I'm wondering just how long ago that point passed.

By way of example, AA (who is and was proactive about almost nothing at all), wasted little time in back-fitting existing 738s with winglets in the early 2000's. I can't help thinking that other similar airlines operating the 32x series, like UA, BA, NW/DL, etc, would have done the same had the option been available. I believe the cost per BBL of oil when the 32x was originally introduced was something less than $20. I can only wonder what kind of market share the 320s would have by now had they had the sharks at the same time that option became available for the 737 & 757 families.

But, as I said, yes, I do agree that the 320 as conceived was quite well advantaged against the 737s (and 727s for that matter) of the day, without the sharks.

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-11 12:08:44 and read 7798 times.

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 10):

I know, but ive always wondered what would look like with winglets. Believe it or not, I actually made a model (a bad one out of legos) when I was younger as a concept for the ACJ version, didnt think they were actually gonna do it! lol (note im not trying to claim rights to the design...)

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Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: timpdx
Posted 2012-12-11 12:16:16 and read 7765 times.

From a long distance, this is going to make it hard to tell the 737NG from the new A320s

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: starrymarkb
Posted 2012-12-11 12:25:02 and read 7730 times.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 11):
By way of example, AA (who is and was proactive about almost nothing at all), wasted little time in back-fitting existing 738s with winglets in the early 2000's. I can't help thinking that other similar airlines operating the 32x series, like UA, BA, NW/DL, etc, would have done the same had the option been available. I believe the cost per BBL of oil when the 32x was originally introduced was something less than $20. I can only wonder what kind of market share the 320s would have by now had they had the sharks at the same time that option became available for the 737 & 757 families.

The difference between vanilla wingtips and winglets on a Boeing is greater then between a the previous Wingtip Fence and Winglet on a Bus.

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: speedygonzales
Posted 2012-12-21 01:15:01 and read 6892 times.

Two more A320s with sharklets, for Cebu and IndiGo, have been spotted:
http://www.aviation-friends-hamburg-forum.de/showthread.php?tid=6519

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: Pugman211
Posted 2012-12-21 01:27:12 and read 6839 times.

There are more and more frames arriving at the FAL's which will have sharklets fitted straight away maybe to help with certification purposes. I've seen sharklets in ALL variants of the A320 family.

Another thing aswell, approximately 80% of the frames arriving at the FAL's now are sharklet, but they still have the standard wingtip fitted, which the customer can have changed at a later date.

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: Palmyboy12
Posted 2012-12-21 02:46:57 and read 6578 times.

Is this AK's new livery? I guess it's kinda strange to put such big emphasis on the tagline "Now Everyone Can Fly"..... I mean it is their slogan and all but it looks like a bit much too me....

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: FlyingAY
Posted 2012-12-21 02:50:47 and read 6554 times.

Quoting timpdx (Reply 13):
From a long distance, this is going to make it hard to tell the 737NG from the new A320s

Look at the root of the vertical stabilizer - that should help you tell a A320 from a B737 quite easily.

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: EagleBoy
Posted 2012-12-21 03:59:34 and read 6356 times.

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 18):
Look at the root of the vertical stabilizer - that should help you tell a A320 from a B737 quite easily.

Or the nose shape.......

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-21 10:36:15 and read 5951 times.

The one for AirAsia has been delivered today.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...-of-airbus-sharklet-equipped-a320/

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: HELyes
Posted 2012-12-21 11:41:24 and read 5853 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):

Airbus: "Sharklets.......are 2.4 metres tall"

Didn't realize they are that tall..

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: speedygonzales
Posted 2012-12-21 12:20:14 and read 5782 times.

Quoting HELyes (Reply 21):

Airbus: "Sharklets.......are 2.4 metres tall"

Didn't realize they are that tall..

Which is about the same height as the tiny looking A380 wingtip fences.

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: ATA L1011
Posted 2012-12-21 16:14:51 and read 5547 times.

Quoting DLD9S (Reply 9):

I agree, it will definately be harder to tell these to apart than 737 as others have mentioned ..Especially in the air....

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: EPA001
Posted 2012-12-22 04:12:47 and read 5106 times.

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 22):
Which is about the same height as the tiny looking A380 wingtip fences.

I can not find a link right now but if I recall correctly these "tiny wingtips" on the A380 are still about 3.1 meters tall.  .

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: EPA001
Posted 2012-12-22 04:13:22 and read 5283 times.

Quoting solnabo (Thread starter):

Looking great..

They sure do.  .

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: B747forever
Posted 2012-12-22 04:28:35 and read 5216 times.

Looking very sharp. Much better than those small winglet fences.

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-22 04:35:47 and read 5258 times.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 26):
Looking very sharp. Much better than those small winglet fences.


  

I think its a great addition. Also glad to see the first aircraft finally delivered.

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: airbuske
Posted 2012-12-23 12:37:28 and read 4480 times.

Sharp looking airplane! Who is going be the first U.S. operator of an A320 with sharklets? NKS?

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: YVRLTN
Posted 2012-12-23 13:55:47 and read 4375 times.

I find it a little odd Airbus suddenly did a quick 360 on their philosophy. When Boeing added the winglets to the 737, Airbus maintained their existing fences were just as efficient, or at least not different enough to make the change.

What changed?

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: liftsifter
Posted 2012-12-23 14:12:59 and read 4333 times.

The A320 is a mighty fine bird with those Sharklets! Even more gorgeous (probably) in other liveries.

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: EPA001
Posted 2012-12-23 14:32:59 and read 4298 times.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 29):
What changed?

Probably refined aerodynamics which can now be calculated and measured much more precise then 10 to 15 years ago.  

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2012-12-23 18:20:02 and read 4028 times.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 31):

Plus significant higher fuel price than 10-15 years ago has made fuel saving improvements much more important.

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: aviasian
Posted 2012-12-24 08:28:41 and read 3713 times.

Just a piece of trivia, AirAsia's first A320 with sharklets wingtips operated its first service on 24 December 2012 from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore (flight AK1817) and return (AK1818).

KC Sim

Topic: RE: Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks
Username: B747forever
Posted 2012-12-24 09:35:55 and read 3589 times.

Quoting aviasian (Reply 33):
Just a piece of trivia, AirAsia's first A320 with sharklets wingtips operated its first service on 24 December 2012 from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore (flight AK1817) and return (AK1818).

Would love to see the window view of that wing/winglet.


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