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Topic: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: swissair4ever
Posted 2012-12-09 12:57:20 and read 13273 times.

Could anyone please advise on the status of refurbishment of AA's domestic 757 fleet?
I have flown on some that have the newer seats in f and y

But some still have the old 20year old leather brown F seats

I am curious also how it is determined which routes get these aircraft newer vs older interiors

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2012-12-09 17:21:36 and read 12897 times.

54 have the new interior, 34 domestic a/c and 20 international a/c. 48 a/c remain, all domestic. As for which routes see the new interior, all 757 (non-ETOPS) markets have about the same chance as the a/c are not routed based on whether they have the new interior or not.

As for main cabin extra (MCE), all 757 a/c are now equipped with it.

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: jetblue32
Posted 2012-12-09 19:33:46 and read 12691 times.

Just flew MIA-BOS roundtrip last month, both legs on 757's; outbound had new interior, just like the new 737's, return had old interior, only the new seat covers and carpet that match the rest of the fleet, everything else on that a/c was still old school, including the first class seats. I was looking at taking flight 922 MIA-LPB in a couple months; I wonder if that flight will be using a new interior a/c; seat map on aa.com website still showed 6 rows of first class seats, meaning it is not one of the newly configured international 757's (those only have 4 rows in F, and they are lie flat seats, if I remember correctly), but hopefully was, or will be, retrofitted like the one I took on outbound MIA-BOS.

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: DeltaDc8
Posted 2012-12-09 19:50:43 and read 12622 times.

What does the new interior look like? I have seen the international configuration but I have not seen the domestic.

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: jetblue32
Posted 2012-12-09 20:18:57 and read 12534 times.

Quoting DeltaDc8 (Reply 3):

See the photos of the new 737-800 on the aa.com website or youtube video tour of the same. Some of the domestic 757's have been retrofitted with an interior matching this. F seats slightly different from MD-80's, other aircraft, slightly thinner, with greater space/double armrests dividing window and aisle seats. Y seats almost like the rest of the fleet, same navy blue color and pattern, slightly different shape and recline with front part/cushion pushing forward a bit. Looks like some of the newer aircraft (777-300, 787, Airbus and newer 737's not yet delivered) will have a new and different look, some of them plain blue and some with leather seats, and some of the narrow bodies having PTV's.

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: American 767
Posted 2012-12-09 20:19:16 and read 12534 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 1):
48 a/c remain, all domestic.

I don't think that all of them will be refurbished with the new interiors because the retirement has already begun. I think that it depends on how many 757s will leave the fleet during the year 2013. Same with the new livery, will all the 757s wear it? No. For the same reason.

Ben Soriano

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: rojo
Posted 2012-12-09 21:12:28 and read 12205 times.

Quoting swissair4ever (Thread starter):
Could anyone please advise on the status of refurbishment of AA's domestic 757 fleet?

AA has a subfleet of 757's dedicated entirely to domestic flights?

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: N243NW
Posted 2012-12-09 21:33:45 and read 12063 times.

Quoting rojo (Reply 6):
AA has a subfleet of 757's dedicated entirely to domestic flights?

Some of the 757s are not -ER equipped (no HDG or other systems to support ETOPS flights). Some are also equipped with the old FMS and a domestic nav database, which would need to be updated before intercontinental flights are attempted. Often these planes will be seen at airports such as YVR and some Caribbean airports, which aren't technically "domestic" but may as well be, since they're so close to the US border and don't involve ETOPS routings.

The ETOPS (ER, as AA calls it) birds are also sometimes referred to as 757-223/ET.

[Edited 2012-12-09 22:00:12]

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: b6flyboy
Posted 2012-12-10 02:37:47 and read 10925 times.

As I fly to SJU many many many times a month I am always on a ( and choose ) the 757. Have been in the new config a few times....it is just luck of the rotation! However just this past Friday, I did over hear the stewardess say to the other stewardess that they are now catering all 75 flights up to 24 meals, which is the new seat count for the FC/Business cabin after the reconfig. Hearing that indicates to me that there are sufficient numbers in the fleet that it is easier from a catering/logistics standpoint to up cater all 75 flights.

(also makes there jobs easier when they have two extra meal choices to offers guests because you know how crabby a FC/business guests becomes when they do not have their first choice of meal)

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2012-12-10 06:08:19 and read 10131 times.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 5):

That is likely true. Although the 757 fleet is already down 22 frames from a recent high of 124 to 102 active. I'm not sure how many more will go in the near future -- however, as we know, they'll all be gone within the next several years per AA.

Quoting DeltaDc8 (Reply 3):

It's a crappy cell phone pic, but here's a pic of first with the new interior.



Quoting jetblue32 (Reply 2):

That a/c is the international, or 75L, configuration. While those a/c do fly other routes, they primarily fly to Europe and South America. There are 20 of those a/c, recently up from 18. There are no plans at present for additional 75L a/c. The rest of the fleet are 75D, or domestic a/c. Of those, 34 have the new interior (24/160) and still have six rows of first with an additional two seats.

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: ETinCaribe
Posted 2012-12-10 06:40:24 and read 9898 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 9):
That is likely true. Although the 757 fleet is already down 22 frames from a recent high of 124 to 102 active. I'm not sure how many more will go in the near future -- however, as we know, they'll all be gone within the next several years per AA.

I guess the main question in my mind is how many years is several years? Not sure how costly the retrofits are, but must be cheap enough for AA to make the investment...

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: JAAlbert
Posted 2012-12-10 07:19:28 and read 9598 times.

The new F seats don't look particularly comfortable or wide. Do they have seat back entertainment? My partner and I are flying MIA to SJO next weekend in F. Right now the seat map shows the old configuration, however, it would be nice to know whether the plane we're flying will have the reconfigured look. I'll have to report back on what I find!

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: rojo
Posted 2012-12-10 07:38:57 and read 9463 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 9):
The rest of the fleet are 75D, or domestic a/c. Of those, 34 have the new interior (24/160) and still have six rows of first with an additional two seats.
Quoting N243NW (Reply 7):
Often these planes will be seen at airports such as YVR and some Caribbean airports, which aren't technically "domestic" but may as well be, since they're so close to the US border and don't involve ETOPS routings

That was exaclty my point. Why would you call domestic fleet to a subfleet that flies to US / Canada / Mexico (yes, CUN gets the 75W from DFW), Central America and Caribbean.

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: aajfksjubklyn
Posted 2012-12-10 07:42:37 and read 9431 times.

They are not very comfortable, and actually I prefer the 20 year old seats as they offer much more comfort. The 738's and 752's with the new seats are glorified Y seats. I always have to put the blanket on the seat bottom to provide more comfort. The glide positioning doesn't offer very much in the way of any positive. Not sure who tested this or provided feedabck, but these seats are backbreakers.

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: 9w748capt
Posted 2012-12-10 08:11:26 and read 9233 times.

Can we discuss the 767-300 in this thread too - I've google searched quite a bit but can't find an answer. Are all of them going to be refurbished too? I just flew AA 432 SFO-DFW in a 763 with the ancient overhead cabins and grainy TVs. Was quite appalled. I've flown on AA's 763s ORD-BRU and they obviously put the nicer interiors on Europe routes and not South America (this plane was continuing to SCL). I pity the poor souls who had to spend 10h aboard that night! Pretty shocking to me that AA is still flying widebodies that can't accomodate standard rollaboards.

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: abirda
Posted 2012-12-10 08:23:24 and read 9149 times.

Are the 757's side-walls with the weird patterns replaced as part of this mod? I have always thought that was what aged them more than anything else.

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-12-10 09:56:16 and read 8589 times.

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 14):
. I've flown on AA's 763s ORD-BRU and they obviously put the nicer interiors on Europe routes and not South America (this plane was continuing to SCL).

Um, no. There is no rule as to which go where. They are sent on the network at random. The new interior 763s were delivered in 2000-2002; older 763s have older interiors. About half the 763 fleet will start receiving new interiors, probably starting in late 2013. The other half will start being parked as 787s roll in.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 11):
The new F seats don't look particularly comfortable or wide.

They aren't. The seats suck. The old F seats are so much better.

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: FlyCaledonian
Posted 2012-12-10 12:21:31 and read 7857 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 9):
That a/c is the international, or 75L, configuration. While those a/c do fly other routes, they primarily fly to Europe and South America. There are 20 of those a/c, recently up from 18. There are no plans at present for additional 75L a/c. The rest of the fleet are 75D, or domestic a/c. Of those, 34 have the new interior (24/160) and still have six rows of first with an additional two seats.

Which 20 aircraft are configured as 75Ls?
Which routes do the 75Ls specifically operate on?

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2012-12-10 13:10:10 and read 7624 times.

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 14):

As Mark said, there are eight 767-300 a/c that were delivered in 2002 and have 777 style interiors. You were on one of those a/c when you flew BRU. The rest of the 763 fleet received new interiors in the front half of the plane (Business and the front coach cabin). The rest of the a/c remains the same as the day they were delivered, minus new seat covers and a few LCDs that have replaced some large bulkhead movie screens. We were told the 763 was going to get new business class seats, but it was specifically mentioned no other changes would occur. I hope they've changed their mind on that. The product on this a/c is so behind, and with DL's completely re-done 763, we can't begin to compare and maintain competitiveness.

Quoting abirda (Reply 15):

Yes, the 757s are getting the new laminate on the sidewalls with the refurb.

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 17):

The 75Ls fly BOS-LHR, JFK-MAN, JFK-CDG, JFK-MAD, ORD-MAN, MIA-SSA, and MIA-REC. There may be another regular S. America route of MIA I've forgotten. Otherwise you'll see them flying the Caribbean out of JFK and MIA, and even on some transcons and other domestic routes. But those routes seem to see the plane on and off from month to month. The specific routes mentioned above always have a 75L, unless they're subbed with a 763.

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: american 767
Posted 2012-12-10 16:06:40 and read 7467 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 9):
That is likely true. Although the 757 fleet is already down 22 frames from a recent high of 124 to 102 active. I'm not sure how many more will go in the near future -- however, as we know, they'll all be gone within the next several years per AA.
Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 10):
I guess the main question in my mind is how many years is several years? Not sure how costly the retrofits are, but must be cheap enough for AA to make the investment...

They'll be gone early next decade, I'd say 2023 at the latest. And so will the 762s and the Super 80s, also by that time if not before the end of this decade.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 18):
JFK-CDG

AA120/121 yes, that one is a 757. But AA 44/45 is a 763.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 18):
BOS-LHR
Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 18):
JFK-MAD

When flying on these routes with an AA ticket, you can either choose to fly on an AA 757 or, a BA 777 or an IB A340 respectively. These flights run 1x daily on AA metal, a 757, and at least 1x daily on BA or IB metal whichever the country of the destination is. Personally if I were to take either one of these flights, I would choose if the price is the same, to fly on the AA 757 instead of BA or IB. Too bad, AA doesn't fly to BRU anymore, because if they did I would have got a 757 in both directions this X-Mas holidays (I'm flying JFK-LHR on an AA 777 connecting to BRU on BA metal).

Ben Soriano

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: FlyCaledonian
Posted 2012-12-11 05:04:42 and read 7165 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 18):
The 75Ls fly BOS-LHR, JFK-MAN, JFK-CDG, JFK-MAD, ORD-MAN, MIA-SSA, and MIA-REC. There may be another regular S. America route of MIA I've forgotten. Otherwise you'll see them flying the Caribbean out of JFK and MIA, and even on some transcons and other domestic routes. But those routes seem to see the plane on and off from month to month. The specific routes mentioned above always have a 75L, unless they're subbed with a 763.

Thanks. Kind of surprised that Brasilia doesn't get the 75L from MIA.

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: tommy767
Posted 2012-12-11 11:41:07 and read 7045 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 18):
As Mark said, there are eight 767-300 a/c that were delivered in 2002 and have 777 style interiors.

IIRC there are only between 6-12 of these newer 763 frames. They replaced the TW 763s as they left the fleet.

Anyone have experience sitting in the new Y seats on the AA 757? They look pretty OK, hopefully better than the crappy new F seats?

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-12-11 11:53:49 and read 7024 times.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 21):
Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 18):
As Mark said, there are eight 767-300 a/c that were delivered in 2002 and have 777 style interiors.

IIRC there are only between 6-12 of these newer 763 frames. They replaced the TW 763s as they left the fleet.

Anyone have experience sitting in the new Y seats on the AA 757? They look pretty OK, hopefully better than the crappy new F seats?

I think AA took 9 763s in 2002 with what was then called the "New Look Interior". I think they are the only AA 767s with Gaspers also. They had some significant avionics and flight deck differences from the rest of AA's 767 fleet, including the Pegasus FMC. AA taook about 5-6 763s a few years earlier with Pegasus also, but without the New Look Interior and some of the Avionics differences.

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-12-11 12:27:25 and read 6987 times.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 21):
Anyone have experience sitting in the new Y seats on the AA 757? They look pretty OK, hopefully better than the crappy new F seats?

They actually are quite nice - very, very comfortable Y product, and especially in Main Cabin Extra. Row 13 window seats rock on the new 757s. Tons of legroom plus, while there is a window, it is a little forward. Directly next to your head is no window, and a perfectly flat surface to sleep against. I honestly prefer it to 757 F on a redeye flight.

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 20):
Thanks. Kind of surprised that Brasilia doesn't get the 75L from MIA.

All 757 flights to Brazil - BSB included - are 75L. Asuncion is also a 75L, but La Paz and Santa Cruz remain 752s.

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: tommy767
Posted 2012-12-11 12:36:07 and read 6969 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 23):
Tons of legroom plus, while there is a window, it is a little forward. Directly next to your head is no window, and a perfectly flat surface to sleep against. I honestly prefer it to 757 F on a redeye flight.

Good to know. Are these the same seats on the IPTE UA 777s? They look almost the same. If so, I can confirm that it's a very comfortable and sturdy seat.

Any idea what corporate was smoking when they decided to put in the new F seats? I don't get why the width is so constrained for additional table space. Also the magazine storage area under the arm rest is pretty awkward as well.

Topic: RE: AA Domestic 757 Refurbishment Status
Username: FlyCaledonian
Posted 2012-12-11 15:04:24 and read 6870 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 23):
All 757 flights to Brazil - BSB included - are 75L. Asuncion is also a 75L, but La Paz and Santa Cruz remain 752s.

Thank You. I guess the new DFW-LIM will be a domestic 757 when it starts. Does the 757 offer AA the opportunity to expand into new thinner deep South America markets, just like some airlines have on the Atlantic? (Bilaterals permitting of course).


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