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Topic: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: flightsimer
Posted 2012-11-29 18:46:34 and read 28582 times.

What is the reason behind this? I have never heard of or seen pictures of a plane being on the flight line in such an unfinished condition like this ( and the 787 doesn't count).

I'm assuming that there had to be some sort of issue with the vertical. Does anyone know if it was found prior to or after assembly?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8231546866/in/photostream

[Edited 2012-11-29 19:34:35]

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: tonytifao
Posted 2012-11-29 19:14:11 and read 28360 times.

They took it out for a wash  

Have no clue!

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: rj777
Posted 2012-11-29 19:30:43 and read 28198 times.

OR.................... maybe they're going to use it to unveil the new AA corporate logo!

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: as739x
Posted 2012-11-29 19:31:27 and read 28201 times.

They need to take it off to apply their fancy new livery??

Seriously though, I have to agree, this is not a common sight.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: FI642
Posted 2012-11-29 19:34:35 and read 28147 times.

I've seen DC-8's in the same situation on the production line

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: flightsimer
Posted 2012-11-29 19:36:53 and read 28115 times.

Quoting FI642 (Reply 4):

But this is on the flight line.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: tonytifao
Posted 2012-11-29 19:37:24 and read 28127 times.

might be for the special livery. That means the body might just be a solid color and the vertical have the slick design  

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: SXDFC
Posted 2012-11-29 20:44:44 and read 27751 times.

Is this 717AN or 718AN?

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: liftsifter
Posted 2012-11-29 20:53:26 and read 27694 times.

^ 718AN.

Something tells me they want to apply some special coat but are holding back.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: deltaflyertoo
Posted 2012-11-29 21:11:59 and read 27603 times.

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 8):

Something tells me they want to apply some special coat but are holding back.


Agreed. There was article out this morning from local Dallas news station confirming new livery but saying that AA refuses to say when or how it will be revealed. My guess is they planned on doing it already but w/ the pilot contract out for vote they want to make double sure the labor issues have settled down first, i.e. last thing they need is to unveil new livery/logo/77W roll out along w/ commercials and such w/ backdrop of another major slowdown and media circus.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: brilondon
Posted 2012-11-30 05:15:16 and read 24995 times.

Or maybe it is a conspiracy, they are going to paint it like every other AA aircraft and end all the speculation about a new livery. Just saying.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: baldwin471
Posted 2012-11-30 05:26:21 and read 24738 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 10):

I can't fathom how ghastly the 77W would look in the Current AA livery. Maybe as bad as their 772's.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-11-30 05:31:19 and read 24647 times.

Quoting deltaflyertoo (Reply 9):
My guess is they planned on doing it already but w/ the pilot contract out for vote they want to make double sure the labor issues have settled down first

I think it has more to do with the delay in 77W deliveries, although I see you point about avoiding a labor showdown after the "birth of the new American", or however they spin it.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 10):
Or maybe it is a conspiracy, they are going to paint it like every other AA aircraft and end all the speculation about a new livery. Just saying.

So they went and wasted a massive amount of money painting a 77W white and grey just to entertain ANetters?  
Quoting baldwin471 (Reply 11):
I can't fathom how ghastly the 77W would look in the Current AA livery. Maybe as bad as their 772's.

I agree, but it'll be much worse because there is so much more empty metal.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: A388
Posted 2012-11-30 05:46:06 and read 24315 times.

I join the ones who say that it is strange that the vertical stabilizer is taken off completely on the flight line. Even if they wanted to keep the new tail logo a secret, it shouldn't have been necessary to take the vertical stabilizer completely off like this.

In the mean time we are all awaiting the new livery AA will be introducing   

A388

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: TC957
Posted 2012-11-30 06:24:51 and read 23402 times.

This strikes me as being a quite drastic move just to hide the new logo, why not leave it on and paint it all white instead.
After all, the rest of the aircraft still has teo be painted.
So what's happening to AA 77W's on the FAL in production now ? Presumably the third one is there or thereabouts by now. Is it being built without the vertical stab ?

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-11-30 06:43:11 and read 22961 times.

Isn't 717AN still out on the flight line with no logo on her vertical stabilizer?

Plus 718AN hasn't even had her fuselage painted, so why would Boeing slap the logo on her tail? And even if they had for some reason, easy enough to cover it up in the paint hangar before they rolled it out.

The only way this makes sense to me as a logo-related issue is if they're painting the vertical stabilizer separately, but if that was the case you think they would have pulled it off of 717AN, as well.

So I'm guessing there was an issue with the tail that requires fixing. Maybe they banged it into something and damaged it?

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: rOw44SeAtK
Posted 2012-11-30 07:00:17 and read 22525 times.

It's the newest in liveries - "See-through Tails"

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: JAAlbert
Posted 2012-11-30 07:13:58 and read 22215 times.

How did they remove the tail? Did they do it outside, or move it into the factory and use a crane? I thought that balance of the tail is so critical that manufacturers must handle it very carefully. Yanking it off outside doesn't seem to fall within the handling protocol if that is the case.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: tdscanuck
Posted 2012-11-30 07:23:47 and read 21986 times.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 18):
How did they remove the tail? Did they do it outside, or move it into the factory and use a crane?

They would have had to use a crane, whether it was inside or outside. Given that the factory has overhead cranes everywhere, it would seem very likely that this was done inside.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 18):
I thought that balance of the tail is so critical that manufacturers must handle it very carefully.

That's true, although it's really only the rudder that has a major balance concern.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 18):
Yanking it off outside doesn't seem to fall within the handling protocol if that is the case.

Even if done outside, nobody is "yanking" anything. If you ding it, you've got to repair it regardless of the balance. So you don't ding it.

Tom.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: zeke
Posted 2012-11-30 07:31:26 and read 21778 times.

My guess would be a production holdup, or possible damage.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: LostSound
Posted 2012-11-30 07:37:33 and read 21624 times.

Quoting zeke (Reply 20):
My guess would be a production holdup, or possible damage.

Agreed. Traditionally, when an airline is introducing a new design that is not ready for reveal, they "tape" white sheets over the design to hide the painted artwork. We saw this with many carriers including JetBlue, a couple years back now when they introduced the blueberry tail design and new upsized logo.

The removal or non-attachment of the the vertical stab. is too extreme of a move to be related to the new livery in my opinion. There are much less dramatic, and cheaper, options to hiding the colours.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: Ychocky
Posted 2012-11-30 07:46:37 and read 21341 times.

Any precedent for this occurring on any other programs?

Maybe?

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: Navion
Posted 2012-11-30 07:50:46 and read 21234 times.

Actually it is none of the speculation listed above. This aircraft is testing a new 777X feature which does not have a vertical stabilizer (saving a ton of weight) but instead uses fly-by-wire controlled split ailerons and differential computer controlled thrust asymmetry to achieve directional control resulting in significant fuel savings. If thrust control plus split-ailerons doesn't result in satisfactory yaw control, they will also use a control vane in the APU exhaust to supplement the authority.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: 135mech
Posted 2012-11-30 07:53:56 and read 21172 times.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 18):
How did they remove the tail? Did they do it outside, or move it into the factory and use a crane? I thought that balance of the tail is so critical that manufacturers must handle it very carefully. Yanking it off outside doesn't seem to fall within the handling protocol if that is the case.

Vertical fins, are hinged and are folded to one side before they are removed. This can be done outside or inside with the use of cranes.

As Stitch said, there probably was some damage as this is usually the only reason you ever remove a vertical fin. The Rudder is the only thing that gets removed for new livery applications (most of the time), due to the need to "balance" it after the new paints are applied.

135Mech

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: Someone83
Posted 2012-11-30 08:13:40 and read 20996 times.

Quoting zeke (Reply 20):
My guess would be a production holdup, or possible damage

Since the aircraft had its tail on when it was flying last week it can't be the first one...

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: pwdalmech
Posted 2012-11-30 08:49:54 and read 20840 times.

With AA 77W production delayed, this vertical stabilizer was probably swapped to another aircraft in final assembly.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: brilondon
Posted 2012-11-30 08:50:13 and read 21008 times.

Quoting baldwin471 (Reply 11):
I can't fathom how ghastly the 77W would look in the Current AA livery. Maybe as bad as their 772's.
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 12):
I agree, but it'll be much worse because there is so much more empty metal


Yes, and LH, AF and Swiss are so much better, not having any thing but a billboard style name on a blank white surface. Give me a break...  

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: kanban
Posted 2012-11-30 09:03:50 and read 20901 times.

Quoting 135mech (Reply 24):
Vertical fins, are hinged and are folded to one side before they are removed.

I believe they stopped doing that with the 707.. originally it was to allow the plane into low clearance hangers.

As I recall all vertical fins are installed vertically and attached with pins laterally not fore and aft.

I seem to recall that the paint delay is due to a seat problem so no new paint until mid January.

[Edited 2012-11-30 09:05:06]

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: phxa340
Posted 2012-11-30 09:05:15 and read 20777 times.

Quoting pwdalmech (Reply 26):

I think this is the most plausible. Why have inventory sitting around when you can put it in another plane that will be delivered soon ?

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: zeke
Posted 2012-11-30 09:10:59 and read 20573 times.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 25):

It can, just like the engines, they may belong to another airframe.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: iad787
Posted 2012-11-30 09:55:15 and read 19483 times.

Okay, this made me laugh.

Quoting Navion (Reply 23):
This aircraft is testing a new 777X feature which does not have a vertical stabilizer (saving a ton of weight) but instead uses fly-by-wire controlled split ailerons and differential computer controlled thrust asymmetry to achieve directional control resulting in significant fuel savings. If thrust control plus split-ailerons doesn't result in satisfactory yaw control, they will also use a control vane in the APU exhaust to supplement the authority.

But I can say definitively it has absolutely nothing to do with the new colors.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: dtw757
Posted 2012-11-30 09:57:47 and read 19509 times.

I think the delay which is due to "seat issues" is smoke and mirrors. I think Q1 2013 you will see AA emerge from bankruptcy with a completely new rebranding top to bottom. You will not see the new branding until the day they emerge however. Carefully timed with the delivery of the 777-300. They aren't ready yet to emerge so they aren't ready to paint the 77W. It would be hard to keep that secret once it's completely painted. I think this white you're seeing on the gray plane is also a mule much the way they disguise new cars before they are released. In the end the tail will not be white but perhaps all blue. Just my   

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: baldwin471
Posted 2012-11-30 10:09:28 and read 19027 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 27):
Yes, and LH, AF and Swiss are so much better, not having any thing but a billboard style name on a blank white surface. Give me a break...  

I never said that was better. Although in those cases yes they do look better than shiny tacky metal. Look at TG or EY and their liveries, no-one is saying you either have to have euro-white or tacky metal. AA's looks horrible. Look at AM if you want to see polished metal done correctly.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: strandedinbgm
Posted 2012-11-30 10:25:14 and read 18624 times.

It's there. It's painted in AA's new invisible livery.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: brilondon
Posted 2012-11-30 10:36:06 and read 18328 times.

Quoting strandedinbgm (Reply 34):
It's there. It's painted in AA's new invisible livery.
Quoting iad787 (Reply 31):
Okay, this made me laugh.

Quoting Navion (Reply 23):
This aircraft is testing a new 777X feature which does not have a vertical stabilizer (saving a ton of weight) but instead uses fly-by-wire controlled split ailerons and differential computer controlled thrust asymmetry to achieve directional control resulting in significant fuel savings. If thrust control plus split-ailerons doesn't result in satisfactory yaw control, they will also use a control vane in the APU exhaust to supplement the authority.


They have the technology but have never put into use. WONDER WOMAN'S AIRPLANE!

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: Kempa
Posted 2012-11-30 11:58:00 and read 16500 times.

Waiting for a polished metal stab perhaps? Can't remove paint if the new logos are on AA polished metal background. Possibly getting a new stab that is polished with only the logo painted.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-11-30 12:29:36 and read 15880 times.

Quoting Kempa (Reply 35):
Waiting for a polished metal stab perhaps?

The 777 vertical stabilizer is CFRP, not Al, so it can't be polished.

718AN flew on 16 November with an unpainted vertical stabilizer (I can't tell if the rudder is white or grey in the ambient light).

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: ckfred
Posted 2012-11-30 12:36:31 and read 15710 times.

Quoting baldwin471 (Reply 11):
I can't fathom how ghastly the 77W would look in the Current AA livery. Maybe as bad as their 772's.

Having spent a lot of time on AA, as well as sitting at ORD, I love the look of the 772 in the bare metal finish.

Considering the number of planes that are all white or mostly white, including UA, US, and DL, the bare metal finish can't be mistaken, especially on a sunny day.

If you think AA's bare metal is ghastly, what do think of the old Hughes Air West scheme, bright yellow with purple trim. That was ghastly, especially if they hadn't been washed for some time.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-11-30 12:41:21 and read 15598 times.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 37):
If (one) think(s) AA's bare metal is ghastly, what do(es one) think of the old Hughes Air West scheme, bright yellow with purple trim?

Have to say I was a fan.


But I was also like 7 when I saw them at BUR.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-11-30 12:48:02 and read 15514 times.

Quoting kanban (Reply 27):
Quoting 135mech (Reply 24):
Vertical fins, are hinged and are folded to one side before they are removed.

I believe they stopped doing that with the 707.. originally it was to allow the plane into low clearance hangers.

As I recall all vertical fins are installed vertically and attached with pins laterally not fore and aft.

The Boeing 377 Stratocruiser tail could be folded to fit low hangars. I've never heard of any jets with that capability.

http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k593/pilot852/hangar.jpg

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: AZA330
Posted 2012-11-30 13:57:37 and read 14153 times.

Please do not tell me that AA cannot afford to buy the tails for their new 77Ws...     

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: rc135x
Posted 2012-11-30 15:26:55 and read 12435 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 39):
The Boeing 377 Stratocruiser tail could be folded to fit low hangars. I've never heard of any jets with that capability.

I believe both the B-52 and the KC-135 had this capability. Photos of early B-52 roll out show the folded tail. This capability saw little (if any) use in routine operations.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: KC135Hydraulics
Posted 2012-11-30 15:32:19 and read 12309 times.

The vertical stabilizer on the KC-135 can be folded down, but it's a major production to do it so there has to be a good reason for it, IE serious maintenance, damage, or..... dropping a wrench down the stabilizer while changing a rudder compensator, perhaps....... .. not that I'd know about that, of course.....

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: rj777
Posted 2012-11-30 16:16:28 and read 11636 times.

Quoting Navion (Reply 22):
Actually it is none of the speculation listed above. This aircraft is testing a new 777X feature which does not have a vertical stabilizer (saving a ton of weight) but instead uses fly-by-wire controlled split ailerons and differential computer controlled thrust asymmetry to achieve directional control resulting in significant fuel savings. If thrust control plus split-ailerons doesn't result in satisfactory yaw control, they will also use a control vane in the APU exhaust to supplement the authority.

I don't believe a word of this. No airplane can fly without a vertical stabilizer. It's a matter of simple physics. Every airplane from the Wright Flyer all the way to the present has had some form of a vertical stabilizer.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: etoile
Posted 2012-11-30 16:18:33 and read 11558 times.

Quoting rj777 (Reply 43):
Every airplane from the Wright Flyer all the way to the present has had some form of a vertical stabilizer.

The B-2 doesn't, but Navion is jk anyway.

[Edited 2012-11-30 16:19:25]

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: American 767
Posted 2012-11-30 17:10:13 and read 10721 times.

Quoting rj777 (Reply 43):
I don't believe a word of this. No airplane can fly without a vertical stabilizer. It's a matter of simple physics. Every airplane from the Wright Flyer all the way to the present has had some form of a vertical stabilizer.

The B-2 Stealth doesn't have a vertical stabilizer, like etoile said.

But, with all due respect to Navion, I think that he was just kidding in what he was saying. Of course this 777 won't fly like that. As other have said, it was taken away by cranes to fix an issue, before continuing building the airplane. I think that the reason the airplane is not kept inside the hangar in Paine Field is not to block the production line.

Ben Soriano

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: tdscanuck
Posted 2012-11-30 18:17:32 and read 9862 times.

Quoting rj777 (Reply 43):
I don't believe a word of this. No airplane can fly without a vertical stabilizer. It's a matter of simple physics.

Really?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/B-2_Spirit_original.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Dark_Star_USAF.jpg
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Chino2004/Sampler/N9mbFlyingWing.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/X-31_Quasi-Tailless_over_Edwards_AFB.jpg

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: maxpower1954
Posted 2012-11-30 18:23:49 and read 9745 times.

Yes, Navion was trying to be funny. The nuances of humor can be difficult to convey through the printed word.

Speaking of aircraft with no vertical tail, check this out..

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/tailless-bomber-trail

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: RobK
Posted 2012-11-30 18:28:47 and read 9629 times.

Quoting rj777 (Reply 43):
I don't believe a word of this.

Oh dear... Whoosh parrot anyone?

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: amccann
Posted 2012-11-30 20:35:15 and read 9082 times.

For curiosity sake and somewhat unrelated;

Was the X31 ever actually flown without the vertical stabilizer? It appears the photo above is an edited photo. I thought the X31 performed "quasi tailless flight test," utilizing intentionally destabilizing control inputs in roll and yaw and then controlled the destabilizing inputs via three dimensional thrust vectoring.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: boeing767mech
Posted 2012-12-01 03:39:39 and read 8569 times.

Quoting flightsimer (Thread starter):
What is the reason behind this? I have never heard of or seen pictures of a plane being on the flight line in such an unfinished condition like this ( and the 787 doesn't count).

I'm assuming that there had to be some sort of issue with the vertical. Does anyone know if it was found prior to or after assembly?

Interesting little bit of useless information that airplane in the picture has the APU running. Funny since the vertical isn;t in the way you can see the APU door extended in the picture. Like I said useless info.

David

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: Navion
Posted 2012-12-01 03:53:44 and read 8540 times.

Quoting rj777 (Reply 43):
I don't believe a word of this. No airplane can fly without a vertical stabilizer. It's a matter of simple physics. Every airplane from the Wright Flyer all the way to the present has had some form of a vertical stabilizer.

You guys are right in noting that I was joking however there is a germ of reality in my comment. I just got done reading astronaut John Youngs new book "Forever Young" and he discusses in detail the desire to remove the vertical tails from the Space Shuttle which would have saved almost a ton and a half of weight, an enormous benefit given the high cost per pound to go into space. The money wasn't there to fund this intiative but the technology was available using split ailerons and tail Reaction Control System rockets for yaw control. The technology is now there and this is doable.

Boeings "Blended Wing Body" design has just such a tailless feature and for good reason. You save tons of weight and drag (not to mention lowering maintenance costs on all of the parts and systems in such a large aircaft component). Technology is now reaching the point that we could see such designs in practical use possibly sooner than we think. It would be an enormously efficient move.

But back to the original point, yes, I was kidding.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: flightsimer
Posted 2012-12-01 08:10:27 and read 8224 times.

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 46):

To add... some planes that came well before the ones you showed

The Yb-35 which started out in 1941...
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/McMahan/9259L.jpg

The Horten 229 from WWII


The proposed, but not built due to the war ending, Horten H.XVIII also from late WWII
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Horten_H_XVIII.jpg

It should be said also that the Germans had many tail less wing designs towards the end of the war in various design phases.


But back to this 777... So nobody has any insider info?  

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: maxpower1954
Posted 2012-12-01 08:15:46 and read 8210 times.

So Stanley Kubrick was right!

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&s...&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:13,s:0,i:126

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: 135mech
Posted 2012-12-03 13:43:08 and read 7086 times.

Quoting rc135x (Reply 41):
I believe both the B-52 and the KC-135 had this capability. Photos of early B-52 roll out show the folded tail. This capability saw little (if any) use in routine operations.

Yes, they were designed to be able to do that if needed, and then the AF built bigger/taller hangars (or tail out Docks) and did not utilize that much, as KC135Hydraulics said... it's a maintenance nightmare to do the task.

Quoting rj777 (Reply 43):
I don't believe a word of this. No airplane can fly without a vertical stabilizer. It's a matter of simple physics. Every airplane from the Wright Flyer all the way to the present has had some form of a vertical stabilizer.

That was a joke...

Regards,
135Mech

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: LMP737
Posted 2012-12-04 02:19:36 and read 6349 times.

Quoting FI642 (Reply 4):
I've seen DC-8's in the same situation on the production line

DC-10's and MD-11's did not have their vertical stabs attached until after leaving the paint hangar.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: flightsimer
Posted 2012-12-11 20:27:34 and read 5521 times.

Anybody know the status of this bird? Is it still missing the vertical?

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: etoile
Posted 2012-12-11 20:51:17 and read 5411 times.

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 56):
Anybody know the status of this bird? Is it still missing the vertical?

Flew to DFW today without a vertical stabilizer. Barely made it.

Topic: RE: AA 777-300ER, Minus Vertical Stab?
Username: flightsimer
Posted 2012-12-11 20:59:01 and read 5357 times.

Quoting etoile (Reply 57):

Above, they said this bird was 718, 717 was the plane delivered today.


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