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Topic: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-26 07:13:48 and read 21125 times.

What will be the future of IAH. Will Terminal D be expanded before 2014 Rio world cup and 2016 Olympics? Will Delta move there gates to Terminal D after United leaves when Terminal B is expanded with FIS? Future airlines coming to Houston? United expanding Houston services?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2012-11-26 07:21:35 and read 21118 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Will Terminal D be expanded before 2014 Rio world cup and 2016 Olympics?

Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: AVENSAB727
Posted 2012-11-26 08:58:25 and read 20826 times.

UA will surely expand service at IAH.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LHCVG
Posted 2012-11-26 09:17:23 and read 20719 times.

I'd guess you'll definitely see more upgauging of RJ flights to 70 seaters and right-sizing/downgauging between 737s and Airbii, and probably some more mix and match with the rest of mainline (some 757s might go 767, 767 go 777, 767 different variants, etc.). I'm not really sure how that really works out in the end, since upgauging RJs brings essentially 15-20 more seats plus F, but flights going from 737s to Airbii lose some F, etc.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: Turkish350XWB
Posted 2012-11-26 09:45:13 and read 20593 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 1):
Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?

Because Houston is a suburb of Rio and they need airprt capacity.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LOWS
Posted 2012-11-26 10:02:54 and read 20534 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Terminal D after United leaves

United isn't in D, is it?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-11-26 10:11:42 and read 20489 times.

Expansion for T-D is far in the future from what I am hearing, but their are supposedly blue prints that suggest making T-D "L" shaped or creating an infield satellite terminal across from it. Gates changes are starting to present themselves as SQ has been seen as of a few weeks ago being moved from D-4 over to the UA RJ gate D-2. Not sure if that is temporary or permanent. I do think that if that is its new gate location the wingspan of 773 is overlapping space for gates D-1 & D-3, which prevents their usage while SQ is parked. TK begins March 2013 and an Asian carrier (ie: ANA, Asiana) is rumored to be targeted by IAH for possibly next summer.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: N62NA
Posted 2012-11-26 10:15:39 and read 20474 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 1):
Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 4):
Because Houston is a suburb of Rio and they need airprt capacity.

I am totally confused!

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: ryanrap1
Posted 2012-11-26 10:17:46 and read 20458 times.

This whole thread is confusing and I live in IAH!

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: rampart
Posted 2012-11-26 10:45:43 and read 20350 times.

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 4):
Because Houston is a suburb of Rio and they need airprt capacity.

And all this time I thought Miami was going to be the designated suburb of Rio, and might have used MIA for an alternate airport.     

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: AADC10
Posted 2012-11-26 11:10:12 and read 20221 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Will Delta move there gates to Terminal D after United leaves when Terminal B is expanded with FIS?

To my recollection, CO/UA moved out of D when E opened. The sterile corridors lead to the same FIS however. I doubt DL could get a usable number of gates at D in its current configuration.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-26 11:51:48 and read 20094 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 1):
Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?

Houston is a great connecting point from the US to Brazil. I can't see them expanding the terminal and airfields for the Olympics, but I can see UA adding another GIG frequency and upgauging GRU during the Olympics.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
Expansion for T-D is far in the future from what I am hearing, but their are supposedly blue prints that suggest making T-D "L" shaped or creating an infield satellite terminal across from it.

I've seen on the master plan that D is supposed to have two piers coming out of the existing building, which is supposedly part of the grand scheme to make IAH look like ATL in layout. However, I think a D satellite is a great idea. It would allieveiate D during the afternoon rush of the foreign carrier traffic and also create room for expansion for any airline (i.e. DL since they want to move over to D).

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
Gates changes are starting to present themselves as SQ has been seen as of a few weeks ago being moved from D-4 over to the UA RJ gate D-2. Not sure if that is temporary or permanent.

I've seen the new J-line for D-2 and it includes 77W, I have no idea why they did that, can someone elaborate?

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
Asian carrier (ie: ANA, Asiana)

Another NRT-IAH airline or UA frequency will do great! There are also a lot of passengers from Korea on the NRT flight so I can see Asiana working really well also.

If DL does make the move to D, who will get their gates in A? I suspect UA will and then tear down the temporary building that used to be where the Colgan Saab's parked. Also, does anyone know how the airline that flies to VCT with Piper Navajos is doing?

I think the master plan also states, among others, a 9R/27L, 8C/26C, perimeter taxiway, and the big enchilada, a huge "east terminal" which apparently is supposed to be located where all the UA MX and inflight infrastructure is located now.

For the user that asked if UA is or isn't in D, the UA Express flights from Mexico arrive into D and some UAX flights depart from D since the construction in B is going on. Also, some big UA flights arrive when E is jam-packed.

Does anyone know if IAH will see more UAX E-170s?

[Edited 2012-11-26 11:56:52]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-26 12:05:06 and read 20039 times.

According to this article they want to expand D before the Rio Olympics and world cup cause Houston has high traffic to and from Brazil. http://www.chron.com/business/articl...ion-at-Bush-airport-is-2078855.php
Delta would be great to be in Terminal D because all the other skyteam partners are there so great for customer that can come in to Houston and get on Aero Mexico and go south or Klm or Air France to Europe and so on.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-26 12:10:55 and read 20004 times.

Plus from 2 pm to 5 pm Terminal D is crowded with Flights from Klm Air France Lufthansa Emirates Qatar Singapore Aero Mexico and Taca and no more room. Sometimes Singapore goes to gate D2 cause D4 or D5 is occupied by KLM. Plus with the new Asian carrier coming after Turkish arrives they need to expand D. If y'all have been to Terminal D its dead and outdated there's not even a starbucks. Houston airport has a lot of potential can be used both as a Skyteam/ Star hub.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-26 12:12:45 and read 19995 times.

I seen a few E-170 of UA at IAH Terminal B.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-26 12:12:46 and read 19994 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 12):
Delta would be great to be in Terminal D because all the other skyteam partners are there so great for customer that can come in to Houston and get on Aero Mexico and go south or Klm or Air France to Europe and so on.

Co-location is good and all, but connections just won't make sense. It'd only really work for Aeromexico because its almost 0 backtrack on Mexico-IAH-Europe vs Mexico-Europe. And since the TerminaLink train goes to all terminals and runs fast and often, so if you were to make a connection, it wouldn't be that hard anyways.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-11-26 12:14:24 and read 19987 times.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
TK begins March 2013

TK starts IAH on 01Apr13 and is now bookable.

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 10):
To my recollection, CO/UA moved out of D when E opened.

Many consider the D1-D3 gates part of C since they are closer and they currently handle the RJ flights from Mexico because they are still connected to the hallway leading to the FIS building. I believe these were the gates DL was interested in, because there is no real space for DL to move during the European rush of flights with 7 of the 8 flights mostly occupied during that time frame. I am curious how much connecting traffic is seen among SkyTeam partners now because IAH is a mere spoke from the DL hubs.

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Terminal B is expanded with FIS?

Can someone correct me, but I thought this part of B has been put on hold, indefinitely, during the whole WN debate. Current construction is still a go for B-North as part of Phase 1. However, phase 2, which includes the FIS, has been put on hold.

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Will Terminal D be expanded before 2014 Rio world cup and 2016 Olympics?

As everyone mentioned, what does this have to do with IAH? Even if UA expanded ops to GIG and GRU, they would utilize E for departures and arrivals. If LATAM is interested in starting IAH-GIG and utilizes nighttime departures, there would be plenty of space at D since all the European flights except the last BA flight and the new TK flight would have departed. Yes there are masterplans to expand D, but there are plenty of ways to reshuffle the gates for one or two more new airlines, even with the LH A380 obstructing D11.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-11-26 12:15:19 and read 19982 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 11):
There are also a lot of passengers from Korea on the NRT flight so I can see Asiana working really well also.

How much is a lot? Id be curious to know.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-26 12:16:40 and read 19970 times.

Well if you on a the Amsterdam flight with KLM and you flew in on Delta your next ticket says Delta and people go to Delta Check in and on Delta check in counter says Air France KLM Delta representing that there partners but, you can't check in your luggage there. I seen people even go to Delta Check in counter cause they see Air France and KLM written on there thinking that they don't have to go to Terminal D. The train runs slow here and there sometimes there some delay cause of maintenance.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-26 12:23:05 and read 19929 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
How much is a lot? Id be curious to know.

I don't know numbers and I don't know the first place to begin looking for said numbers, but I escorted UM's through FIS for UA over the past two summers and I'd have to say I saw more kids with Korean passports, next was Japan, then Vietnam. I guess that could be an indicator.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-11-26 12:28:51 and read 19890 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 18):

Where on the signage at IAH are they directing DL passengers to D? I am trying to understand what you wrote. AF and KL passengers are directed to D check-in and E/FIS for arrival. Signs for DL flights are only to A. Unless the passenger does not read their ticket information, most airlines are pretty clear of terminal departures and arrivals and if it is a codeshare flight and where to check-in.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: thomasphoto60
Posted 2012-11-26 12:30:33 and read 19882 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 19):
I don't know numbers and I don't know the first place to begin looking for said numbers, but I escorted UM's through FIS for UA over the past two summers and I'd have to say I saw more kids with Korean passports, next was Japan, then Vietnam. I guess that could be an indicator.

Word of advice (and I learned the hard way on this forum), you better have the numbers and the facts to back up your comments and assertions. Trust me there are those here that will bury you with all sorts of figures, reports, ect..to counter your musings and hearsay.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-11-26 12:33:43 and read 19867 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 19):
I don't know numbers and I don't know the first place to begin looking for said numbers, but I escorted UM's through FIS for UA over the past two summers and I'd have to say I saw more kids with Korean passports, next was Japan, then Vietnam. I guess that could be an indicator.

Well, the local market from Houston to Seoul is 39 passengers a day per direction. If a nonstop started, that number might jump to the 50 range.

An IAH-ICN flight is going to be heavily dependant on connections. What will make the difference would be how many people they can put on there destined for places like China, Singapore, and Malaysia. IAH-Vietnam/MNL traffic is large, but so awfully low yield that its not even worth trying for.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-26 12:45:34 and read 19798 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 22):
Well, the local market from Houston to Seoul is 39 passengers a day per direction. If a nonstop started, that number might jump to the 50 range.

That's the local market, but as you said, connections would rule. But there has to be something there if there have been rumors of KE and Asiana have been rumored for service.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-11-26 12:55:16 and read 19745 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 23):
That's the local market, but as you said, connections would rule. But there has to be something there if there have been rumors of KE and Asiana have been rumored for service.

Exactly, but its connections to certain places that will rule. PVG, PEK, KUL, and SIN to be more exact.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-26 13:01:06 and read 20084 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 24):
Exactly, but its connections to certain places that will rule. PVG, PEK, KUL, and SIN to be more exact.


Of course. Out of curiosity, where does one find these numbers? I have always wondered what source people use for these types of info. on a.net.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: NW
Posted 2012-11-26 14:03:24 and read 19966 times.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 20):
Where on the signage at IAH are they directing DL passengers to D? I am trying to understand what you wrote. AF and KL passengers are directed to D check-in and E/FIS for arrival. Signs for DL flights are only to A. Unless the passenger does not read their ticket information, most airlines are pretty clear of terminal departures and arrivals and if it is a codeshare flight and where to check-in.

DL/KL/AF operate as one carrier out of IAH, having seperate operations is not cost efficient and the customer confusion is horrible. Currently, if a KL or AF customer needs ticketing they are sent to terminal A for the DL agents to handle. The new Menzies employees are currently training on the DL system to handle KL anf AF customer ticketing in terminal D; this should help that issue. Also, the number one complaint from DL customers is the lounge being in terminal D. DL pays for half the costs of the operation in terminal D and wants better utilization of the resources of both operations. DL in D would allow DL to ground handle KL, AF and AM, thus saving on ground handling costs and provide better service.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: Tdan
Posted 2012-11-26 14:49:08 and read 19716 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 19):
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
How much is a lot? Id be curious to know.

I don't know numbers and I don't know the first place to begin looking for said numbers, but I escorted UM's through FIS for UA over the past two summers and I'd have to say I saw more kids with Korean passports, next was Japan, then Vietnam. I guess that could be an indicator.

On IAH-NRT, there are ~30-40 connections everyday going on to ICN from what I've seen.

LAXdude1023 and I have had this conversation quite a bit, but I believe OZ would do very well out of IAH by maximizing the flow traffic over ICN. The huge Star FF base at IAH and significant traffic flows to Asia could be easily captured since it is currently either a double or offline connection to places like SGN, PUS, UUS and secondary China. Just like SQ was able to capture most of the SIN, CGK and KUL traffic via its flight, OZ could improve the schedule to these destinations in addition to the tough to reach northern destinations. The schedule that would be the best is not necessarily the best for connections over IAH, but really those markets are limited in size and already covered from a network perspective compared to the unique IAH O&D. Plus I doubt UA would want to play very nicely.

Sample OZ schedule:
ICNIAH 2000-1730
IAHICN 2330-0530 +2

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-11-26 15:13:06 and read 19433 times.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 27):
On IAH-NRT, there are ~30-40 connections everyday going on to ICN from what I've seen.

No, there aren't, because the local market isn't that big. Unless 100% of passengers are travelling on this one exact routing.

That said, yes, I think Houston can support Seoul service, and the local market would probably double within three years if an airline did. But the market is not huge today.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: Tdan
Posted 2012-11-26 15:26:29 and read 19289 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 28):
Quoting Tdan (Reply 27):
On IAH-NRT, there are ~30-40 connections everyday going on to ICN from what I've seen.

No, there aren't, because the local market isn't that big. Unless 100% of passengers are travelling on this one exact routing.

That's counting double connects which make up quite a bit of the ICN traffic on UA's IAH-NRT flight. Still, it's only an observation from multiple trips; ICN always seems to be the biggest volume connection on IAH-NRT, though it's nearly all coach traffic.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: cosyr
Posted 2012-11-26 19:59:10 and read 17557 times.

Do Delta passengers generally seek IAH for connections? Maybe it has been mentioned in some expansion plans somewhere, but since when has Delta had any plans to move to Terminal D, a terminal currently dedicated to International Arrivals? Also, United regularly uses Terminal D for RJ international arrivals, or at least they did until the merger drew down IAH service slightly.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: drerx7
Posted 2012-11-26 20:34:40 and read 17340 times.

Quoting cosyr (Reply 30):
but since when has Delta had any plans to move to Terminal D, a terminal currently dedicated to International Arrivals? Also, United regularly uses Terminal D for RJ international arrivals, or at least they did until the merger drew down IAH service slightly.

I've heard this rumor plenty of times. And yes they do use D regularly.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-26 21:22:41 and read 17126 times.

It makes sense for Delta to move to gates D1 - D4 so it can be together with its partners then also if they have passengers that need to go to Europe or Mexico or so on they can connect through Houston. Plus Delta is cutting flights out of Memphis its a great opportunity to invest into Houston. If you have gone to Terminal D it has been the same its opened almost its the only terminal without a starbucks that's how bad it is. On the youtube video of Lufthansa bringing the A380 Mario Daiz Houston airport Director announces that there will be a Asian Flag carrier coming to Houston couple months After Turkish.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-26 21:33:53 and read 17081 times.

Delta operates the most flights out of Us carriers other than United at IAH.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-11-26 21:57:47 and read 16980 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 33):
Delta operates the most flights out of Us carriers other than United at IAH.

I thought HAS used to report US Airways as #2 at IAH and then AA. The HAS numbers page is not loading for me at the moment, does anyone have them?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-26 22:04:10 and read 16943 times.

I just went on wikipedia saw Delta has more flights out of IAH than AA and US airways.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-26 22:22:19 and read 16884 times.

Your write right airways than AA has more passengers than Delta. Still make a good benefit for Delta though. I talk to a friend at United and he was telling me that United is converting Houston to primarily a Airbus hub.

[Edited 2012-11-26 22:30:42]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-11-26 22:25:12 and read 16877 times.

The website is working for me now. Go to http://www.fly2houston.com/TrafficStats

for october 2012 (latest available) it looks like USAirways beats all DL and subs by about 8-9k pax but please double check my math.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-26 22:31:28 and read 16833 times.

Yup your right I checked as well. Still Delta can benefit alot from IAH.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-26 22:53:41 and read 16789 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 35):

I just went on wikipedia saw Delta has more flights out of IAH than AA and US airways.

DL may have more flights, but all of US flights out of IAH are mainline. And there is a good amount of US flights into IAH to begin with.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 32):
Plus Delta is cutting flights out of Memphis its a great opportunity to invest into Houston.

UA will not let this happen. They will defend their fortress hub until the end and I give UA a 99.999999999999999999999999999999% chance of winning a war against DL over IAH. I don't say 100% because as we all know, anything can happen in this industry. I think DL is still slobbering over DFW since they shut that hub down in 2004ish.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-11-26 23:11:55 and read 16736 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 12):

According to this article they want to expand D before the Rio Olympics and world cup cause Houston has high traffic to and from Brazil. http://www.chron.com/business/articl...5.php

Chris Moran is really trying to stretch it. IAH can handle an increase in flights, especially to Brazil, and if done by UA. He should focus more on Brazil needing to update their infrastructure to handle both events!

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 12):
Delta would be great to be in Terminal D because all the other skyteam partners are there so great for customer that can come in to Houston and get on Aero Mexico and go south or Klm or Air France to Europe and so on.

With that same token, what about AA moving to be closer to BA and possibly EK? Or should US move to the D1-D3 gates just so it can be a whole lot closer to its Star Alliance partners, esp with the codeshares on UA and SQ.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 13):
Plus with the new Asian carrier coming after Turkish arrives they need to expand D.

TK will be arriving after most of the European carriers have departed, by mid-evening. When a new Asian carrier arrives at IAH, I expect it to land before the European arrival bank.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 13):
If y'all have been to Terminal D its dead and outdated there's not even a starbucks. Houston airport has a lot of potential can be used both as a Skyteam/ Star hub.

The lack of Starbucks is quite amusing but not a must!

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 32):
Plus Delta is cutting flights out of Memphis its a great opportunity to invest into Houston.

As it seems from NW's post, DL would rather consolidate and save money and any operational issues. How will DL invest in IAH if they have not made any peep of expansion beyond the hubs?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-11-27 10:54:46 and read 15107 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 32):
Plus Delta is cutting flights out of Memphis its a great opportunity to invest into Houston.

Not going to happen. Period.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: AVENSAB727
Posted 2012-11-27 12:08:12 and read 14991 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 36):

Really? Why is that? I think the 737 will stay.

[Edited 2012-11-27 12:18:38]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-27 12:25:47 and read 14975 times.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 42):
Really? Why is that? I think the 737 will stay.

The 737 will stay. However, there will be less since UA is moving aircraft around to maximize the aircrafts potential. I heard that UA wants to put the A32X on more Mexico flights from IAH because of its higher cargo capacity. An A320 may work better than a 738 on some routes and a 738 may work better than an A320 on other routes.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-27 12:32:08 and read 14963 times.

Well because US airways uses the United club with Air Canada on the North Concourse. Not many One world members at IAH as many Sky and Star so wouldn't make alot of sense. If Delta can't move they should than Air Canada to Terminal D because Air Canda has alot of connection with United.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-27 12:42:15 and read 14931 times.

There's also a new airline flying to IAH called Cal jet from Mazatlan. As well as rumors that SAS might operate to IAH from Oslo and New Zealand Airways from Auckland because UA dropped that proposal.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: AVENSAB727
Posted 2012-11-27 13:30:02 and read 14867 times.

Don't forget that new Asian carrier!!

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-11-27 13:30:55 and read 14865 times.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 46):
Don't forget that new Asian carrier!!

Has something been announced?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: AVENSAB727
Posted 2012-11-27 13:38:25 and read 14850 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 47):

Mario Diaz gave us some clues during the A380 event.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-27 13:55:01 and read 14814 times.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 48):
Mario Diaz gave us some clues during the A380 event.

He's only said "Asian flag carrier." That could be anything, and Asia is a huge continent. So it could be anything from ElAl to Vietnam Airlines.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-11-27 14:17:40 and read 14780 times.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 48):
Mario Diaz gave us some clues during the A380 event.

Thats not an announcement. IAH can support one more Asian destination, that I have no doubt of.

But how many times have we seen city officials go to another city in a foreign land and beg for service? The DFW and Houston boys do it all the time.

Lets wait until we get something more certain.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-11-27 14:51:23 and read 14739 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 45):
As well as rumors that SAS might operate to IAH from Oslo and New Zealand Airways from Auckland because UA dropped that proposal.

If SAS does happen, my guess is this being serviced by something like a 737-700 all biz class config STV-IAH link possibly. Something like what KLM did previously.... ANZ is still a possibility, but no word from them since they announced intentions of such a flight earlier this past summer...

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: fxramper
Posted 2012-11-27 15:17:34 and read 14697 times.

FX is doing 6x daily departures now at IAH and we are looking at 2x more next year.

1105 AFW A300
0920 BUR A300
1617 IND MD10
1351 LGB A300
0408 MEM MD10
1299 MEM MD10

Additional frequencies being considered are AFW & EWR.

How many Narita pax connect via IAH?

I don't really care about a non-US flag carrier entering the market, but who is it going to be?

I'm GS on UA and have their back but still don't understand why they dumped IAH-AKL and went with DEN-NRT.

  

See you in BFS on Friday UA.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: shanderawx
Posted 2012-11-27 16:03:59 and read 14634 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 45):
rumors that SAS might operate to IAH from Oslo and



Houston we are told locally has the largest Norwegian communiy in the nation - recent, educated. oil-associated employees largely, with their families.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-11-27 16:49:07 and read 14572 times.

Quoting shanderawx (Reply 53):

Yes, but how many Norwegian's actually live in Houston? SAS will have to run this flight profitably and the smallest a/c they have got presently are 265 seat A333/A343's. The question is CAN SAS fill enough seats to keep a service like this operational long term?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-11-27 16:52:43 and read 14583 times.

Quoting shanderawx (Reply 53):
Houston we are told locally has the largest Norwegian communiy in the nation - recent, educated. oil-associated employees largely, with their families.

That honor actually goes to Minneapolis.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 54):
Yes, but how many Norwegian's actually live in Houston?

According to the census the number is less than 2,000.

IAH-Norway is a very high yield market, but the volume is not high enough to start a flight in my opinion. All the secondary cities in Norway that a high yield destinations from IAH (TRD and SVG mainly) are served from AMS via KLM.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-11-27 18:00:41 and read 14540 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 55):
That honor actually goes to Minneapolis



No it actually doesn't. The Consul General of Norway said Houston has the largest pop of ex-pat Norwegian nationals outside of Scandinavia. There should still be links to it on the press release area of the consulate's webpage.
Also Norway closed its consulate in Minneapolis and made it an Honorary Consul instead. No demand for it as the diaspora is too "mature" now.

Now, if you mean Norwegian-Americans I am sure the North Central US is tops.

"The number of Norwegians in the area is not large compared with other immigrant communities - an estimated 5,000 to 6,000 - but there's no larger concentration living outside of Scandinavia, said Lasse Sigurd Seim, the consul general of Norway in Houston. "



http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=2008_4610819

Also
"About 100 Norwegian companies had business operations in Houston during that year. In 2007 Houston had $1.5 billion United States dollars in trade with Norway"

[Edited 2012-11-27 18:07:18]

edit to fix link


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Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-11-27 18:02:42 and read 14515 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 55):
IAH-Norway is a very high yield market, but the volume is not high enough to start a flight in my opinion. All the secondary cities in Norway that a high yield destinations from IAH (TRD and SVG mainly) are served from AMS via KLM.

My point exactly...thus the only possible solution as far as SAS actually servicing this market would be the use of a BBJ Privatair type a/c that caters to biz class clientele... Norwegian families would likely continue using KLM / BA / AF / LH for holiday travel....

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-11-27 18:11:35 and read 14500 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 7):
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 4):Because Houston is a suburb of Rio and they need airport capacity.

I am totally confused!

Most flights to South America depart the Houston hub, yes?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-11-27 18:23:55 and read 14479 times.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 56):

FlyingSicilian is correct according to wikipedia

"Lasse Sigurd Seim, the consul general of the Norwegian Consulate General, Houston, described the estimated 5,000–6,000 Norwegians in the Houston area around 2008 as the largest concentration of Norwegians outside of Scandinavia. Jenalia Moreno of the Houston Chronicle said during that year that the influx of Norwegians into Greater Houston was "relatively new."[50] Seim said that in the late 1800s, of all of the ports in the United States, with the exception of Ellis Island in New York City, more Norwegians arrived at the port of Galveston than any other port. Many of the Norwegians who were processed through Galveston migrated to Minnesota and other areas in the Midwestern United States.[50]"

So, speaking to that you MIGHT be able to provide a A333 / A343 service a few times a week if these 5,000 - 6,000 do indeed travel as much for holiday's as they would be for oil business related work.

Now speaking to SQ service I think we can see how successful they are with swinging the flight through Moscow on its way between SIN-IAH since its inception.

"In a 2004 Houston Chronicle article Nikolai V. Sofinskiy, the first consul general of the Consulate-General of Russia in Houston, stated that the Houston area had around 40,000 Russian speakers."

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-27 20:07:38 and read 14360 times.

Well on the A380 video Mario Diaz said a true Asian Flag carrier. Reason why United went ahead with DEN- NRT was to torturer Houston most likely.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: AVENSAB727
Posted 2012-11-27 20:13:49 and read 14353 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 60):

Nah, I heard the IAH-AKL flight was never going to launch due to some issues and because of the merger.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-11-27 20:20:07 and read 14312 times.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 59):
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 56):

Creative, theyre including people who are temporarily working in Houston in their number.

On the subject of Norway, here are the largest markets from Houston in Norway:

IAH-OSL: 22 Passengers per day each way
IAH-BGO: 7 passengers per day each way
IAH-KRS: 4 passengers per day each way
IAH-TRD: 4 passengers per day each way
IAH-SVG: 3 passengers per day each way

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-27 20:26:13 and read 14276 times.

Really I just thought it was dropped whenever they announced that Hobby was going to operate international flights. I wonder if Etihad has a shot in IAH or Gulf air due to the Energy sector. Or any future passenger flights to Acara or Luanda.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-27 20:35:20 and read 14252 times.

Can a Gulf carrier or someone else do location X to Norway to IAH?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-27 20:41:54 and read 14259 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 64):

Thats a good Idea Abu Dhabi - Oslo - Houston or Bahrain - Oslo - Houston
You also have to understand that alot of Asian/African travelers use Qatar and Emirates cause its one stop flight usually to there destination.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-27 20:50:56 and read 14255 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 65):
Thats a good Idea Abu Dhabi - Oslo - Houston or Bahrain - Oslo - Houston

BGK-Oslo-IAH on TG would be a gold mine. Oil AND Tourism would fill this flight. It would be awesome to see a TG plane in IAH!

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-27 20:58:41 and read 14227 times.

Or to Malaysia as well connecting 3 energy capitols like SQ or to Brunei.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-11-27 21:01:55 and read 14255 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 64):
Can a Gulf carrier or someone else do location X to Norway to IAH?

BA already carries a fair amount of of the non-corporate flight ops Houston-Norway traffic already.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 62):
Creative, theyre including people who are temporarily working in Houston in their number.

You make it sound like they go to Houston for a month and leave. Most of those people "temporarily" live in Houston for years.

I was "temporarily" working in Brasil for nearly 2 years and Germany for 3 but that was my residence and status notwithstanding still needed airline services...   And the Consul has stated in more recent interviews the numbers have grown. But don't let facts get in the way of a good thing for you...

All that said I concur a Houston Norway non-stop is not likely in the near-term.

However with a good premium demand, n/s market stimulation, connections, and some corporate jet ops moving to commercial options (if non-stop existed obviously) a 3 or 4x day a week Houston-Oslo n/s flight would not be that big of a shocker one day. For now the corporate ops and the likes of BA or KLM have it fairly well covered.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-27 21:29:12 and read 14197 times.

Hopefully Terminal D gets a good modern expansion with latest technology.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: huxrules
Posted 2012-11-27 21:41:03 and read 14181 times.

How about a IAH to ABZ flight? I surprised that this hasn't happened yet.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-27 21:43:07 and read 14188 times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4Ekvn-bglc - Houston Master plan Video.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-11-27 21:45:35 and read 14201 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 60):
Reason why United went ahead with DEN- NRT was to torturer Houston most likely.

US companies do not torture things, unless they make cosmetics, diamond jewelry, or footwear.

They launched DEN-NRT because there was a solid business case to do so and the right equipment became available.

NS

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-27 21:54:20 and read 14191 times.

Apparently Emirates has offered IAH to build a 10,000 sq feet lounage in Terminal D.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-27 22:18:16 and read 14162 times.

If a international carrier wanted to fly to Houston between noon and 6pm they couldn't offer it due to lack of space.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-11-27 22:27:12 and read 14139 times.

Quoting huxrules (Reply 70):
How about a IAH to ABZ flight? I surprised that this hasn't happened yet.



There were some vague Internet rumours and one announcement from a charter IIRC or something but it never happened.
This is another route BA makes good money via LHR and plenty of oil companies use their corporate jets on the route

A bigger non-stop "hole" in the oil market from IAH is MAR

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-11-28 02:07:22 and read 14028 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 69):

Realistically, I think all D needs right now is more room for pax especially toward the LH A388 T-D12 side. If all they did was a basic add-on for more terminal space and a higher speed wi-fi connection, then this would suffice until city / federal officials provided more cash for a full scale redo of that section of the airport. For me, T-D is more of a "destination" terminal and not as much of a DXB or JFK "connecting" terminal. There is much more that needs to be considered and built out than just brick and mortar on the topside. Need to also consider creating what has been needed for some time, which is a customs / INS "transit zone" for the traffic that is starting to come alive as far as transiting pax between EU & Cent. / S. America. IAH requires one to STILL clear US customs, claim bags, and recheck them for their next Int'l connecting flight at D. Not sure what the daily load factors are for these transiting pax, but the costs to redo D to in fact operate much like other global ports will require consideration in a true remodel of T-D at IAH.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-11-28 02:20:10 and read 14021 times.

Quoting huxrules (Reply 70):
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 75):

Have to be along the lines of a Houston Express option like the one presently operated by Atlas between IAH - Luanda and even then that is a 744, which is WAY to much capacity to start something like an IAH-ABZ.

This one stays with mainline EU carriers, but more importantly these pax will most definately consider shifting business over to TK next year as a BAK-IST-IAH routing over running through LHR, FRA or CDG .

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-11-28 02:22:26 and read 14000 times.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 77):
BAK-IST-IAH

meant Baku as ABZ-IST-IAH

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-28 04:40:34 and read 13947 times.

Probably also a good route for TK is Central Asia Via IST to IAH. Terminal D is very outdated according to the Youtube link I posted and alot of Airlines are complaining cause when alot of these tourist / business men come they plan to spend money on stuff they can't get back home which Terminal D lacks of. The airlines like Qatar and Emirates are complaining constantly at them just Houston Airport Sytem who own terminal D and A don't have enough funds.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-11-28 06:30:27 and read 13865 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 66):
BGK-Oslo-IAH on TG would be a gold mine. Oil AND Tourism would fill this flight. It would be awesome to see a TG plane in IAH!

On the contrary, such a flight would be a massive failure. IAH-BKK is not only not a large market, but its also low yield (as is every other US City to BKK). Heck, TG has a hard time making LAX work and its almost 9 times a larger local market.

If any airline can make IAH-OSL work, it is only SK. 3x a week might work.

Quoting huxrules (Reply 70):
How about a IAH to ABZ flight? I surprised that this hasn't happened yet.

ABZ would be a much better investment from IAH than OSL. Not only is the market twice as large, but its a higher yielding market full of Marine and Oil fares. IAH-ABZ is a perfect market for a 40-50 seat BBJ.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-11-28 07:09:32 and read 13803 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 79):

Hmmm...ok good point on more duty free options, BUT IF they knew where to go in Houston to get even better stuff at prices that rival or even BETTER duty free then its kind of a mute point.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 79):

One option that should be considered then is to allow T-D to be annexed, funded and operated by the tenant airlines utilizing these gates. It would be similar to what has been done at JFK over the last 10 yrs. JFK's T1 for example remodeling efforts was partially funded by both the Sky Team and Star Alliance carriers operating there as they wanted a say in the design and layout. If Qatar, Emirates, Lufthansa, AF/KLM, etc. would like new facilities then they should in fact approach HAS about such a partnership as cash outlay by the city would likely require a bond election that the public will be weary of footing the bill for, not to mention attracting dwindling federal subsidies.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-11-28 07:21:32 and read 13783 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 80):
IAH-ABZ is a perfect market for a 40-50 seat BBJ.

At 8,200 nautical a BBJ might be able to make this happen, but I still think TK linking through IST is the more plausible scenario.....

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-11-28 07:25:00 and read 13787 times.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 82):
At 8,200 nautical a BBJ might be able to make this happen, but I still think TK linking through IST is the more plausible scenario.....



ABZ is Aberdeen, Scotland. Are you thinking of Baku, Azerbaijan?

IAH-ABZ is a 44 passenger a day market with very high yields. This would be much more worth while than connecting IAH with OSL. Only thing is that connecting IAH with ABZ will hurt BA's profits on IAH-LHR.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-11-28 07:40:33 and read 13726 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 83):
Only thing is that connecting IAH with ABZ will hurt BA's profits on IAH-LHR.

You are correct sir

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-11-28 07:59:38 and read 13716 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 83):
ABZ is Aberdeen, Scotland. Are you thinking of Baku, Azerbaijan?

I was ...thanks for clearing up the city in question ...

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: Tdan
Posted 2012-11-28 09:18:07 and read 13644 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 62):
IAH-SVG: 3 passengers per day each way

You sure about that? In 2011 it was over 20 PDEW with half of it being business class traffic. KL carries a bunch of these guys. That's the issue with IAH-Norway. It's not just IAH-OSL, but rather IAH-OSL, SVG, BGO, KRS, TRD which are all single connections on KL and some via LH or BA. If SK wasn't such a basket case, IAH-OSL could work due to the Star connection, but there will be a significant competitive response from KL which is firmly entrenched.

ABZ on a BBJ should have happened years ago...

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-11-28 09:26:32 and read 13637 times.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 86):
You sure about that? In 2011 it was over 20 PDEW with half of it being business class traffic. KL carries a bunch of these guys. That's the issue with IAH-Norway. It's not just IAH-OSL, but rather IAH-OSL, SVG, BGO, KRS, TRD which are all single connections on KL and some via LH or BA. If SK wasn't such a basket case, IAH-OSL could work due to the Star connection, but there will be a significant competitive response from KL which is firmly entrenched.

Your right. It was 20 PDEW. I looked IAH-TRD twice.

I double checked the rest and they are correct. Your point about IAH-Norway being scattered across the country is correct.

[Edited 2012-11-28 09:34:54]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: Tdan
Posted 2012-11-28 09:38:32 and read 13580 times.

nvm, data was fixed. delete post

[Edited 2012-11-28 09:40:07]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-28 09:38:58 and read 13630 times.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 81):
Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 81):
One option that should be considered then is to allow T-D to be annexed, funded and operated by the tenant airlines utilizing these gates. It would be similar to what has been done at JFK over the last 10 yrs. JFK's T1 for example remodeling efforts was partially funded by both the Sky Team and Star Alliance carriers operating there as they wanted a say in the design and layout. If Qatar, Emirates, Lufthansa, AF/KLM, etc. would like new facilities then they should in fact approach HAS about such a partnership as cash outlay by the city would likely require a bond election that the public will be weary of footing the bill for, not to mention attracting dwindling federal subsidies.

Well Emirates came to HAS saying that they want there own lounage of 10,000 sq ft and they will pay for it so far nothing has happened. So far Houston has a low passenger service fee so there thinking about increasing it. According youtube video I posted the airlines in Terminal D are complaining about lack of facilities. Most people come to Houston for stop overs or business. Most people spend big bucks in the international terminals.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-28 09:44:40 and read 13605 times.

Houston has to act fast with Terminal D expansion hopefully the expansion will start beginning of next year as they plan. Because there competitor airports already have nice facilities.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-28 11:33:15 and read 13485 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 90):
Houston has to act fast with Terminal D expansion hopefully the expansion will start beginning of next year as they plan. Because there competitor airports already have nice facilities.

I'm all for D being renovated/expanded and all, I even think there should be a satellite terminal for it. But where would EK put this 10,000 sqft lounge? The only space I can think of is the area by D11/D12, but since all the A380 pax go there, that kills that idea, unless EK works out a deal with BA to fork over one of their 2 clubs.

A satellite terminal for heavies where the hardstands are now is, IMO, the best best idea.

Does anyone have any info on the rumored "east terminal"?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-28 11:46:11 and read 13456 times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4Ekvn-bglc - Youtube video of the conference of IAH expansion and Hobby.

The airlines are telling Houston that they are loosing money due to lack of facilities.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-28 11:50:24 and read 13446 times.

There going to make a pier at Terminal D by gates D5 and D4.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-28 11:53:11 and read 13439 times.

They are also talking to the owners of the Marriott about renovating it because its very outdated.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-11-28 14:42:36 and read 13354 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 91):
Quoting IAH59 (Reply 92):
Quoting IAH59 (Reply 93):
Quoting IAH59 (Reply 94):

While we ALL can agree IAH T-D needs to be upgraded or replaced, the fact of the matter (based on the video provided by IAH59) is that HAS does NOT have the cash flow to replace the infrastructure on par with DFW, LAX, SFO, or even DTW. The point made is that a $3 pax charge has been collected over the years whereas IAH's Top 10 competitors have been collecting $4.50 per pax since the early 1990's which in turn has funded Tom Bradley to the tune of $1.8 bill. and LAX's new Int'l terminal at $2.8 bill. Assit. Dir. Simmons is on the record as saying that HAS simply cannot afford all the amentities being asked of Emirates (including a 10,000 sqft lounge) found at other competing establishments around the world due to both the budget for a revamped T-D which is in line with about $300-$400 mill., but more importantly SPACE. The best that IAH can hope for are corrections to a shoddy job that went into D's original construction during the "bust" years of the oil boom of the late 80's / early 90's (the city cut corners on its design and construction).

Now, the conceptual drawing that is on the table as being the go forward design plan the video includes basically provides space for up to 10 wide body gates or about the SAME as what is presently in place at T-D today. The difference seems to be 2 additional wide body hardstands out where the current hard stands are positioned today. The drawing further does not provision for the possibility of a 2nd A380 gate, which I think could be crucial to D's growth IF EK or some other carrier decides to upguage rather than operate multiple daily frequencies. Lufthansa is already raking in serious cash with their upgrade as first and biz have been going out close to full since the launch ($17k First and $9k biz, not to mention at capacity belly freight and an economy class that is extra sugar in the cookies).

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-11-28 17:00:08 and read 13234 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 63):
Or any future passenger flights to Acara or Luanda.

ACC could be possible, depending on how LOS does for UA. But didn't DL cancel ATL-ACC? As for LAD, would the Angolan government allow UA or another American carrier to start LAD services?

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 76):
IAH requires one to STILL clear US customs, claim bags, and recheck them for their next Int'l connecting flight at D.

Unless it's a UA Int-Int flight. They go through immigration, but not customs. I'm not sure if that has been extended to other Star carriers or mainly to LH because there was a special line at passport control for LH passengers continuing on to another international flight on UA. Bags were redirected for TSA screening before continuing on. UA Int-Dom flights do have to go through immigration and customs.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-28 17:08:14 and read 13204 times.

Can D be expanded anymore to the east? That seems like a logical thing to do, even if it is a short ways, it could add 2 more narrow body gates and one of those could possibly be A380 capable as well as D-12.

The next cities with IAH service I see are, ACC, ICN, Recife, Porto Alegre, Fortaleza, Manaus, and believe it or not, AKL. All of these are in no particular order and not necessarily served by UA, just what I can see being added over the next 5-7 years.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-11-28 17:17:55 and read 13198 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 97):

Can D be expanded anymore to the east? That seems like a logical thing to do, even if it is a short ways, it could add 2 more narrow body gates and one of those could possibly be A380 capable as well as D-12.

I think taking over the area in between D9-D10, they can add the "L" pier to it and add another A380 capable gate. I do wonder if D4/D4A and D5 could be converted into another A380 gate and thought that was the original plan when EK had wanted to initially send the A380, but did not have the range.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: Tdan
Posted 2012-11-28 17:28:44 and read 13182 times.

Any D renovation is going to be a mirror image of terminal E as this is part of the 2030-2040 master plan. I think we're still a few years away, but the first pier between D4-D5 needs to at least be in the planning stages as any additional international widebody capacity cannot really be handled at a gate from 1300-1700. I think you'll see the DL move occur if/when this first pier is built.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-28 18:27:51 and read 13093 times.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 98):
I do wonder if D4/D4A and D5 could be converted into another A380 gate and thought that was the original plan when EK had wanted to initially send the A380, but did not have the range.

I've heard this too. I wonder if it is the next gate area to be renovated. Maybe that's why SQ is at D2? When are the higher MTOW A380s supposed to be delivered to EK? I can see it being an early A380 high MTOW location for EK. Will QR fly the whalejet to IAH too?

Quoting Tdan (Reply 99):
Any D renovation is going to be a mirror image of terminal E

I kind of hope it's not because you can barely put 2 772's at the end of each pier in E without the smaller gate in the middle being used for wing space, much less two 747s or A380s. If they do do that to D, I hope they fix that problem.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: Tdan
Posted 2012-11-28 18:40:05 and read 13088 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 100):
I kind of hope it's not because you can barely put 2 772's at the end of each pier in E without the smaller gate in the middle being used for wing space, much less two 747s or A380s. If they do do that to D, I hope they fix that problem.

Sure you can! Haven't you seen the 764 at E2? Basically you can fit widebodies throughout terminal E, they just will block some gates. UA could theoretically accommodate widebodies at E2, E4, E5, E7, E8, E18, E20 and E22, but they don't ever have that many widebodies coming through IAH at one time (plus, it would block a bunch of gates). With just one pier between D4 and D5, terminal D could accommodate ~20 gates, with the capacity for ~10 widebodies simultaneously. I used Google Maps to superimpose one E pier onto D this summer...I'll see if I can find the file

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-28 20:28:17 and read 12953 times.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 101):
Haven't you seen the 764 at E2? Basically you can fit widebodies throughout terminal E, they just will block some gates.

I have seen that. And blocked up space means less room to send planes, and that means less money being made. But when those 777s and 767s are all lined up in E at the same time, it is a sight to see!

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-28 20:51:52 and read 12938 times.

Its a nice sight seeing United heavies parked at E all at once. They should move the Taca and Aero Mexico flights down to gates D1 - D3 so you can fit in some bigger jets.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-11-28 21:00:58 and read 12921 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 103):
Its a nice sight seeing United heavies parked at E all at once. They should move the Taca and Aero Mexico flights down to gates D1 - D3 so you can fit in some bigger jets.

D-1 through 3 are basically C gates. Do they have links to the FIS at D? I often see UA (formerly COEX) jets there on occasion

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-28 21:05:28 and read 12923 times.

Later down the road they will build a Terminal F at IAH and move the maintenance area to the other side of the airport by Terminal A. IAH will look like ATL with bunch of Piers sticking out. Looks like they already planning to make 2nd Airbus A380 gate.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-28 21:08:19 and read 12920 times.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 104):
Do they have links to the FIS at D

Yes they do. I have made the half mile walk from the UA kiosk in FIS to D1/2/3 many times!

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 105):
Later down the road they will build a Terminal F at IAH and move the maintenance area to the other side of the airport by Terminal A. IAH will look like ATL with bunch of Piers sticking out. Looks like they already planning to make 2nd Airbus A380 gate.

Where did you get this info? Do you have a link?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-28 21:18:38 and read 12905 times.

I just looked at the Youtube video blue print i looked at. Well they have to build another A380 gate incase and airliner wants to fly to IAH or up gauge they have room. If they Move Taca and Aero Mexico and Viva Aerobus and the future Caljet to those gaes then you can fit another heavy plane. If they don't move they should bring Delta or US airways but, mostly Delta to Terminal D. IAH should take the opportunity to let Emirates pay for the lounge that they want to build. Anyone knows when the city or Houston Airport System has there meetings? As in to improve the airports or discuss there plans of expansion and repairs?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-28 21:47:26 and read 12894 times.

http://www.fly2houston.com/0/3920506/0/83280D83283/ Houston added electric plugs in between the seats at Terminal D.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-11-28 21:49:14 and read 12907 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 106):
Where did you get this info? Do you have a link?

IAH Master Plan: http://www.fly2houston.com/0/3526125/0/82841D83214D83219/

Yes, the proposed Master Plan for IAH is to resemble DEN and ATL with the terminals converting into midfield concourses.

Right now, I think HAS wants to get Phase 1 of B complete and hopefully get UA to agree to move forward with Phase 2, which includes the FIS at B.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-28 22:00:01 and read 12865 times.

Hopefully the Terminal B phase 1 is done by 1st quarter of 2013 so they can get started on Terminal D.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-11-29 07:28:48 and read 12712 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 105):
Quoting IAH59 (Reply 107):

Not to sound pessimistic, but the Master Plan dates back to 2006 and here we are 6 yrs later in which HAS is struggling to get D off the ground. You can already tell that part of the original plan has been pushed aside as they seem to be going with just 1 "L" shaped pier between D4 / D5 as opposed to 2 (the other was supposed to be at D12) that are evident in the original Master drawing plan. Only thing I can think as to why the paring down would be overall cost associated with the lower than industry standard pax fees. Can anyone confirm? Will their be the 2nd pier addition in the future? Granted this setup provides the extra pax space not to mention room for an Emirates lounge, but NOT the added gates for necessary carrier growth (provides maybe 1 or 2 wide body gates at the most). If this holds true to form, HAS really needs to consider adding 1 - 2 extra A380 capable gates to compensate for carrier upguaging (EK, TK, QR and even BA come to mind).

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-29 07:47:18 and read 12686 times.

So does anyone know when IAH or the City of Houston or Houston Airport Systems have there meetings? like for improvements or stuff like that?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-11-29 09:09:49 and read 12592 times.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 111):
Not to sound pessimistic, but the Master Plan dates back to 2006 and here we are 6 yrs later in which HAS is struggling to get D off the ground. You can already tell that part of the original plan has been pushed aside as they seem to be going with just 1 "L" shaped pier between D4 / D5 as opposed to 2 (the other was supposed to be at D12) that are evident in the original Master drawing plan. Only thing I can think as to why the paring down would be overall cost associated with the lower than industry standard pax fees. Can anyone confirm? Will their be the 2nd pier addition in the future? Granted this setup provides the extra pax space not to mention room for an Emirates lounge, but NOT the added gates for necessary carrier growth (provides maybe 1 or 2 wide body gates at the most). If this holds true to form, HAS really needs to consider adding 1 - 2 extra A380 capable gates to compensate for carrier upguaging (EK, TK, QR and even BA come to mind).

I believe in the linked briefing he says the old master plan has been trashed and was based on outdated domestic growth numbers.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-29 18:04:03 and read 12400 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 107):
they should bring Delta

Any word on what would become of the DL gates in terminal A if/when they move?

I hope they don't make IAH look like ATL or DEN. DTW's layout looks efficient. But, IMO, they should have a long continuous hallway from A to E/D on the north and south sides, along with the 2 trains. And have the piers extend out from the central hallways. Pretty much like what the northside of terminals B and C will be when that phase of construction is complete. Plus I think IAH's layout as it is is really unique.

To me, the whole ATL/DEN style construction will be a huge construction and logistic nightmare because of all the access roads to get in the terminals will all have to be redone and to have operations in those conditions will be extremely atrocious and difficult.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-29 21:12:39 and read 12282 times.

I wonder if Malaysian Airline thought of flying to Houston competing with Singapore.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-11-29 21:22:18 and read 12285 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 115):
I wonder if Malaysian Airline thought of flying to Houston competing with Singapore.

MH is not even daily to LAX. Also with SQ back to daily, there are plenty of options to funnel KUL traffic through SIN.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-29 23:48:02 and read 12232 times.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 116):
funnel KUL traffic through SIN.

Or NRT on NH then IAH on UA.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: slider
Posted 2012-11-30 09:18:03 and read 12068 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 97):
Can D be expanded anymore to the east?

In a word, no. D12 is the A380 gate, there is a VSR just beyond that and then active taxiway. There is no room for an incremental gate at all.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 109):
IAH Master Plan: http://www.fly2houston.com/0/3526125...3219/

As has been said, this is outdated, but it still offers a long term view of what the general thrust is. Term B affairs kind of are a wild card right now: as a consequence of the HAS action with WN at HOU, there probably won'tbe the Phase 2 to B any time soon, much less with FIS facilities. Moreover, UA's own design for B was modified to accommodate 70 seaters (originally only 50 seaters, an idea already obsolete).

Certainly there is a fluidity involved here, but at least IAH has the real estate to ultimately effect what it wants to do longer term. That's half the battle right there. Funding is the other and of course, UA's own path irrespective of the rest of the intl OAL growth.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: triley1057
Posted 2012-11-30 10:05:59 and read 12035 times.

I really would like to see UA expand more in Latin America. What are the chances that GYE gets restarted? Also, I would like to see United to more cities in Colombia such as Medellin, Cali (again), and Cartagena. And finally SCL!

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-30 12:50:37 and read 11973 times.

They should restart Santiago I know DL flies there. Also be focus on expanding into Asia like Seoul Beijing Shanghai. Hopefully 2013 is a good year for IAH with Terminal B expansion to be opening and operating with 787 on international routes 3rd london flight. Also Turkish flying from Istanbul with the unannounced Asian carrier coming as well. Hopefully D expansion will start right after B opens. Hopefully British Airways will bring a 3rd daily London flight if United does well.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-11-30 13:08:16 and read 11935 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 120):
Hopefully British Airways will bring a 3rd daily London flight if United does well.

Don't count on a 3rd BA....presently its a 772 & 744 respectively. If they do anything it will be a an upguage of the 4pm 772 service to 744 (to make it double daily 744). The next step in the future would be replacing that with an A380 at some point that they have on order (assuming IAH does indeed agree to go ahead with a 2nd capable gate during the D overhaul). I don't see a 3rd frequency happening unless its a before noon arrival.... Consequently, it would ideal for HAS to consider adding 2 more capable A380 gates into the Master Plan as QR and EK could also decide to pull the trigger over starting a 2nd daily flight...

[Edited 2012-11-30 13:08:45]

[Edited 2012-11-30 13:10:17]

I genuinely believe that D will get crowded if more A380 gates are not introduced since the overhaul provides very little relief to what is currently in place with now (1 to 2 more widebody gates are gained in the redo at best).


[Edited 2012-11-30 13:13:17]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-30 16:29:55 and read 11829 times.

Well since they have 1 A380 service I'm sure there rethinking to build another A380 capable gate for future services. Well They should make 6 o clock flight out they have one at 4 and 8. I was talking to bp person they told me the Bp travelers love the 8 clock flight from BA.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-11-30 17:18:46 and read 11790 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 122):

Anyone know the load factors for the 2x daily BA's? BA has been the only foreign carrier that has been able to consistently keep 2 flights per day operational on a year round basis. AF had 2X a few years ago (a 9pm A332) and ended it...KLM had a BBJ for biz class operating in tandem with the 74M and that ended. EK briefly had a double daily 77L until one was called away for DFW (I think we can expect another one in the future if no an upguage to A388). LHR may just be the busiest routing operating from T-D (aside from UA) followed closely by LH's FRA, but how full are BA's flight's going out of IAH to warrant a 3rd rotation / 6pm slot?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-30 17:46:26 and read 11775 times.

What happen to the 2nd and 3rd KLM daily at IAH? why did they drop? why did AF end theres? Well UA has a 3 45 and 6 pm flight to LHR BA has a 4 pm and 8pm and UA will start a 8 pm flight so BA should start 6pm flight if UA does really well. If not upgauge. What did the 2nd Emirates daily leave houston and depart? Anyone know about the talks about Vietnam Airlines few other airlines to Houston I know I saw that in the master plan.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-11-30 18:35:47 and read 11739 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 124):
What did the 2nd Emirates daily leave houston and depart?

This was a morning arrival and departure...

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 124):
What happen to the 2nd and 3rd KLM daily at IAH?

I do briefly recall the 2nd KLM (an evening departure) which was also an A332 (didn't last long at all)...but the 3rd has to be the Privatair BBJ I mentioned above...

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-11-30 19:54:58 and read 11681 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 124):
What happen to the 2nd and 3rd KLM daily at IAH? why did they drop? why did AF end theres? Well UA has a 3 45 and 6 pm flight to LHR BA has a 4 pm and 8pm and UA will start a 8 pm flight so BA should start 6pm flight if UA does really well. If not upgauge. What did the 2nd Emirates daily leave houston and depart? Anyone know about the talks about Vietnam Airlines few other airlines to Houston I know I saw that in the master plan.

Continental (and then UA) were/are members of Star and don't need KL/AF feed.

When CO was still in Skyteam there was feed on both ends for more seats in the market to CDG and AMS. Now there is not.Now with Star UA needs to coordinate with LH. Hopefully IAH-MUC will happen next year.

Councilman Al Hoang stated a few days ago to local media he is on his way to Vietnam and there is a meeting schedule with Vietnam Airlines to try and get a flight to Houston. Problem is yields are not great on the route. We will see. Maybe 3 or 4 a week in a couple of years. Who knows.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-11-30 20:15:15 and read 11694 times.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 125):
I do briefly recall the 2nd KLM (an evening departure) which was also an A332 (didn't last long at all)...but the 3rd has to be the Privatair BBJ I mentioned above...

I don't there recall there ever being 3 KL flights to IAH. I know the Privet flight was replaced with the A330 because the A330 has more J seats. And then they dropped that one too. They have been flying combis for the longest time though.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: Schweigend
Posted 2012-11-30 21:17:21 and read 11659 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 127):

True, so far as I know.

The first KL IAH-AMS departure (late afternoon) has been a 74M ever since I can remember, and they used to run a second flight on a 763, sometimes with an A330. PrivatAir's 73G replaced that second flight, and I've never seen KLM with three flights a day to Houston. Now they're down to the Combi only, unless PrivatAir still makes occasional visits.

Scottie  

Edit:
Well, there could have been a brief time when KLM had its 74M departure around 4-ish, the 763 around 6pm, and then the PrivatAir 73G around 8 or 9, but that couldn't have lasted long, if it ever happened.

[Edited 2012-11-30 21:39:57]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-11-30 23:33:31 and read 11605 times.

According to Houston Airport System they are talking to Vietnam Airlines Korean Air Asiana Air China Eva Air and China airlines. Must explain why they went to Asia this year.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-11-30 23:57:55 and read 11576 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 129):
According to Houston Airport System they are talking to Vietnam Airlines Korean Air Asiana Air China Eva Air and China airlines. Must explain why they went to Asia this year.

They are always in discussion with other airlines to generate new service to IAH. Also, do you know how to use commas?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: point2point
Posted 2012-12-01 10:16:55 and read 11432 times.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 123):
BA has been the only foreign carrier that has been able to consistently keep 2 flights per day operational on a year round basis.

I believe that AM currently has 3 E190 flights per day MEX-IAH. Does this count as more flights by a foreign carrier at IAH?

 

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: thomasphoto60
Posted 2012-12-01 13:57:30 and read 11343 times.

Quoting point2point (Reply 131):
I believe that AM currently has 3 E190 flights per day MEX-IAH. Does this count as more flights by a foreign carrier at IAH?


Let's not forget AC, I seem to recall several flights a day to YYZ, YYC and YUL by our Canadian friends.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-12-01 16:29:05 and read 11283 times.

Quoting point2point (Reply 131):

So, let's clarify shall we?  BA is currently the only wide body (non-latin american) carrier that has been able to consistently keep 2 flights per day operational on a year round basis. How's that?

BTW, AC in fact has AM beat with at least 4 flights per day into IAH via YTZ and YUL .

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-01 20:09:45 and read 11201 times.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 126):
Councilman Al Hoang stated a few days ago to local media he is on his way to Vietnam and there is a meeting schedule with Vietnam Airlines to try and get a flight to Houston. Problem is yields are not great on the route. We will see. Maybe 3 or 4 a week in a couple of years. Who knows.

Waste of time. If VN cant get a flight to LAX going (a local market 4 times the size of IAH-Vietnam and higher yields), IAH would never work. Its not a small market, but the yields are total garbage (as is every US city to Vietnam).

Councilman Hoang would be better off wooing a carrier that could make IAH work (like NH or CA).

[Edited 2012-12-01 20:12:12]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-12-01 22:52:34 and read 11118 times.

I'd love to see any Russian airline, preferably SU, to fly to IAH. I'd more-so love to see LOT and Aer Lingus. But out of those three, I think only LOT has the best chance only because of Star.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-01 23:35:49 and read 11102 times.

IAH is most expensive airport in America. I think Aeroflot would make more money than LOT. Why do you sugguest that LOT or Aer Lingus should fly to IAH?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-12-01 23:38:36 and read 11091 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 136):
Why do you sugguest that LOT or Aer Lingus should fly to IAH?

It'd be nice to see more tails in the line-up in D. Also I'm of Polish and Irish decent so seeing my ancestral countries flag carriers at my home airport would be amazing to me. Just a pipe dream of mine.  

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-02 15:24:16 and read 10898 times.

Yeah be nice seeing more Asian carriers and also airlines like Air India and Pakistan International even though I would take any other airline to Pakistan than PIA. In Terminal A on the Terminalink Train station they posted Facts and pictures of Houston. Minor improvement at IAH.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-02 17:07:53 and read 10818 times.

Yeah be nice seeing more Asian carriers and also airlines like Air India and Pakistan International even though I would take any other airline to Pakistan than PIA. In Terminal A on the Terminalink Train station they posted Facts and pictures of Houston. Minor improvement at IAH.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: shanderawx
Posted 2012-12-02 21:31:27 and read 10722 times.

PIA did serve IAH a few years ago and had an office here on Kirby Street. The airline offered exotic tours to several mountainous areas. The airline flew here through Manchester I believe and eventually left because of either economic circumstances or because of failure to adhere to Aaviation requirements.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FreshSide3
Posted 2012-12-02 21:49:09 and read 10698 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 45):
As well as rumors that SAS might operate to IAH from Oslo


I can just see all those people who work in Stavanger Norway come more often. If you know about the SAS employees at SVG, they probably use their passes more than any other airport's employees. Ran into them at a wine tasting tour, and a friend who was with me, saw them at the 49ers game a few months afterwards. They're everywhere....

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-02 21:51:03 and read 10701 times.

It was because of the requirements. Yes I knew they flew to Houston I still wish they did but, me personally I would take Qatar or Emirates back home to Pakistan or the Future service of Turkish Airline. They left because of the economic reason but, They flew on the worst days to IAH as I recall. They would make more money if people could get off at manchester from Houston.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FreshSide3
Posted 2012-12-02 21:59:52 and read 10689 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 135):
IAH is most expensive airport in America. I think Aeroflot would make more money than LOT. Why do you sugguest that LOT or Aer Lingus should fly to IAH?

I was under the impression that SEA was the most expensive airport, and LGA second....

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 135):
I'd love to see any Russian airline, preferably SU, to fly to IAH. .

Personally, I think SFO needs it more than IAH does. SU used to fly to SFO, was able to lease some 777s from DL, to replace the old Soviet-made planes.....however, when the time was up, DL took the planes back, and SU ended up cancelling the service.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-02 22:20:23 and read 10663 times.

AeroFlot at IAH would be nice 4 to 5 times weekly then customer can connect with Aero Mexico going down south or with Delta traveling around America. IAH can't offer any airline room between 12 to 6 sadly due to all the gates booked.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-12-02 22:31:38 and read 10674 times.

If SU were to fly to IAH, I think like 90% of it would be oil traffic. If they were looking to connect on DL, then flying to ATL would cover that.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-02 22:46:36 and read 10663 times.

Yes it would be better to fly to Atlanta but, IAH has business with Moscow as well just saying in general it would be great from there on they can connect to Mexico City or other places in North America via Aero Mexico and Delta. great business for Houston. I know Lufthansa is making alot of Money right now on Business and first class on the A380 there taking UA frankfurt business.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-12-03 07:29:31 and read 10522 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 144):
AeroFlot at IAH would be nice 4 to 5 times weekly then customer can connect with Aero Mexico going down south or with Delta traveling around America. IAH can't offer any airline room between 12 to 6 sadly due to all the gates booked.

Hmmmm...I can see your enthusiasm for AeroFlot as a fresh carrier that would look great on the T-D flightline, BUT I don't see this working well in tandem with a DL connection piece since DL does not have alot of connecting capacity through IAH and feed into AM would also be a small market. Then their is the notion of the competition it will receive with a MUCH better SQ product operating basically the same routing (SVO as opposed to DME). Also, consider SQ's advantage via Star Alliance connecting power of UA domestically as well as to S. America. I don't think AeroFlot would have much of a chance as long as SQ continues to remain in play.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-03 07:31:17 and read 10529 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 146):
Yes it would be better to fly to Atlanta but, IAH has business with Moscow as well just saying in general it would be great from there on they can connect to Mexico City or other places in North America via Aero Mexico and Delta.

SU isnt going to show up at IAH. No way on earth is there room for two carriers on IAH-MOW. There is barely room for one.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-03 12:42:14 and read 10428 times.

But I can totally see IAH being a great skyteam/ Star Hub. A lot of potential in IAH and Houston as a city. Why doesn't Air Canada fly there Airbus to Houston and doesn't have flights from Vancouver to Houston or Edmonton to IAH like United does. I also think flights on Etihad from Abu Dhabi to IAH would be great as well as United or see TAAG or United operating flights from IAH to Luanda. Or flights from Saudi Arabia to IAH direct.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: thomasphoto60
Posted 2012-12-03 13:14:58 and read 10394 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 149):
Why doesn't Air Canada fly there Airbus to Houston and doesn't have flights from Vancouver to Houston or Edmonton

Well.......probably the same reasons that Avianca, TAM, LAN and others don't, mediocre sized market dominated by a mega-carrier leaving little or no revenue to be made, simple. BTW, AC has used the A320 on the IAH-YYC.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 149):
I also think flights on Etihad from Abu Dhabi to IAH would be great
TK will likely tap what little market viability IAH has left to offer on the Mid-East/Persian Gulf segments

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 149):
TAAG or United operating flights from IAH to Luanda

AFAIK TAAG is banned from serving the US, though things may have changed. Aside form the charter that Atlas offers, I sincerely doubt there is demand for a scheduled IAH-LAD service.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 149):
Or flights from Saudi Arabia to IAH direct.

Now I must admit that this has puzzled me over the years as to why SV had never launched an IAH-Saudi service. I did hear a rumor that a scheduled service was in the planning stages in the 90s, however the flight was given to IAD for whatever reason.. I'll defer to someone far more knowledgeable on the subject.

[Edited 2012-12-03 13:16:15]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-12-03 13:51:48 and read 10341 times.

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 150):
Quoting IAH59 (Reply 149):
I also think flights on Etihad from Abu Dhabi to IAH would be great
TK will likely tap what little market viability IAH has left to offer on the Mid-East/Persian Gulf segments

I second that!!!

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 150):
AFAIK TAAG is banned from serving the US, though things may have changed. Aside form the charter that Atlas offers, I sincerely doubt there is demand for a scheduled IAH-LAD service.

Ditto on this as well...Atlas service is in fact known as the "Houston Express" and is served by a 744 a few times a week and it along with UA's Lagos service is all that the market will likely support since they both cater exclusively to O&G.

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 150):
Now I must admit that this has puzzled me over the years as to why SV had never launched an IAH-Saudi service. I did hear a rumor that a scheduled service was in the planning stages in the 90s, however the flight was given to IAD for whatever reason.. I'll defer to someone far more knowledgeable on the subject.

Saudi Arabian for starters is a Sky Team partner, so its market is going to be limited to what DL & AM would be able to provide as far as through put traffic. That does NOT mean Saudi could not attract added traffic to compliment its mostly O&G clientele. The question that would be most pressing is equipment choice for such a mission? The 773 is presently in the fleet (this really might only be a -300 and not a -300ER), however IF Saudi were to pull the trigger they might be better served to wait until 2015 when the first batch of 789's arrive in providing better range.



[Edited 2012-12-03 14:07:10]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: 102IAHexpress
Posted 2012-12-03 16:49:49 and read 10272 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 149):
A lot of potential in IAH and Houston as a city.

What was a town on the bayou is now a dynamic global city in less than a hundred years. Pretty amazing.
For those who like interactive charts, check out Brookings 2012 global metropolitan monitor, which monitors GDP per capita for the 300 largest metropolitan economies worldwide.
Houston ranked first in USA.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/re...ts/2012/11/30-global-metro-monitor

The future of IAH is strong.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-03 21:12:36 and read 10167 times.

Reason why I see Saudi doing great in Houston is one it will catch all alot of Energy sector business as well as catching the middle eastern and south asian passengers. Plus the mayor of houston recently went to Dammam and talk to some companies that are now opening there HQ in houston. Etihad will do great cause of touisum/ energy traffic. I see a good flight IAH - Accara - Luanda or Via Lagos cause I know Accara is also another Oil city.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-04 07:02:50 and read 10057 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 153):
Etihad will do great cause of touisum/ energy traffic.


What tourism? Texas gets almost no international tourism. Its business place.

[Edited 2012-12-04 07:38:44]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-12-04 08:12:34 and read 10003 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 153):
Plus the mayor of houston recently went to Dammam and talk to some companies that are now opening there HQ in houston.

Which companies are these? Where will their offices be located? Please give evidence.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 153):
Etihad will do great cause of touisum/ energy traffic.

Touisum? What touisum? And how do you know they will do great? Do you have evidence to back your claims up? Yes, TOURISM can add loads to flight but it does not necessarily generate ideal yields to make a route viable. But as previously mentioned, Houston is more of a business city than a tourist one.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 153):
I see a good flight IAH - Accara - Luanda or Via Lagos cause I know Accara is also another Oil city.

It's ACCRA. Get it right! As for LAD, the Houston Express takes care of those needs because I believe Songol and the Angolan government sponsors the flight with Atlas Air. If you know someone that works in the Angolan government that can help open the skies for UA to start a IAH-LAD, then by all means work your magic!

Does anyone know what happened to DL's ATL-DKR-LAD flight?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: thomasphoto60
Posted 2012-12-04 08:22:18 and read 9994 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 154):
What tourism? Texas gets almost no international tourism. Its business place.

And if he is referring to Texans traveling to the Persian Gulf for pleasure, seriously......? With all due respect to my fellow Texans it has been my observation that we rarely travel (for leisure purposes anyways) beyond Latin America/Caribbean and Europe. I have traveled to some 70 countries on 6 continents and aside from those traveling on business, I have encountered maybe 10 Texans "on holiday" so to speak in a places like Sri Lanka, India, Tanzania or even Australia in the 26 or so years that I have been globetrotting. Most of the Americans that I have met "on the road" tend to be from the West Coast (primarily California) or East Coasters from NY, MA or D.C. Although much of my travels were work related, I am still an traveler at heart so the more far flung and obscure a destination, the more intriguing it becomes.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-12-04 09:49:37 and read 9940 times.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 155):
Quoting IAH59 (Reply 153):
Plus the mayor of houston recently went to Dammam and talk to some companies that are now opening there HQ in houston.

Which companies are these? Where will their offices be located? Please give evidence.

I think he is referring to the Mayor's trip earlier this year in which Saudi Aramco committed to bringing 100 jobs to the Houston area by way of a a new technology center in north Houston made up mostly of scientist positions. Not sure many of these will likely travel that much though and surely not that much of bump in favor of Saudi Arabian to begin dedicated services.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...00-new-jobs-with-Saudi-4029706.php

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-12-04 11:44:57 and read 9864 times.

Further to my response above, I found another Mideast article providing a further summary on what the Trade Commission was about to embark upon prior to making the trip.

Article mentions that Abu Dhabi, Qatar Airways headquarters is in fact a sister city of Houston, which I found interesting as I had not known this before. Adds even more credibility on why Qatar established the link besides the notion of O&G business.

I am wondering if HAS is concerned with Emirates commitment to IAH as the statement below on the surface looks questionable (like their has been some issues between HAS and EK). Maybe its to quell EK's concerns to HAS's level of commitment to it regarding the 10,000sqft of space its wants for a new lounge in T-D as well as the terminal upgrade scheduling? Or perhaps the fact that IAH is interested in luring yet another carrier like Etihad or Saudi Arabian as discussed earlier in this thread? What is the likelihood that EK brings back either the 2nd flight or upguages to the A380 is another question they could / should have inquired about?

"Mr. Diaz commented that the mission was looking to assure partner airlines in the region like Emirates Airlines of Houston's continued commitment to keeping the flights full and profitable."

The Mayor further goes on (below) to indicate below that Houston and Saudi Arabia have more in common than just the O&G industry and that Houston should capitalize on other industries that can further link the two regions together economically.

"As in Houston, while energy is still king, the economies of these countries are diversifying into value-added sectors like health care, logistics/transportation, education and engineering which are also of great concern to us."

http://www.zawya.com/story/Houston_T...dtable_in_GCC-ZAWYA20121120073430/

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-12-04 11:58:52 and read 9864 times.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 158):
Article mentions that Abu Dhabi, Qatar Airways headquarters is in fact a sister city of Houston

Abu Dhabi is a sister-city to Houston, but not the headquarters of QR. I would wager the headquarters of QR is in Doha.  

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-12-04 12:32:47 and read 9839 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 154):
What tourism?

Germans and other European cultures have been coming to Texas since the 1800s! The evidence is in the names of cities like Fredericksburg, New Braunfels, and Humble, which were founded by German immigrants, or decendents of those immigrants. Schlitterbahn, the water park, founded by people of German decent, is in New Braunfels. Not only Germans and Europeans, but I have also seen tour groups from all over the world, as well as individuals, all over Houston, not to mention the rest of the state.

Ok. Rant off!  

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-12-04 12:35:51 and read 9828 times.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 159):
Article mentions that Abu Dhabi, Qatar Airways headquarters is in fact a sister city of Houston

Abu Dhabi is a sister-city to Houston, but not the headquarters of QR. I would wager the headquarters of QR is in Doha.  

I think he meant Etihad.  

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-04 12:36:16 and read 9828 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 160):
Germans and other European cultures have been coming to Texas since the 1800s! The evidence is in the names of cities like Fredericksburg, New Braunfels, and Humble, which were founded by German immigrants, or decendents of those immigrants. Schlitterbahn, the water park, founded by people of German decent, is in New Braunfels. Not only Germans and Europeans, but I have also seen tour groups from all over the world, as well as individuals, all over Houston, not to mention the rest of the state.

Fair enough, but those arent German tourists coming to the state today. What you are refering to was the portion of South and Central Texas that was settled by German immigrants. More evidence of that is on half the radio stations in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and El Paso. Any time you hear an accordian, you should be reminded of the German influence because the Germans introduced them to Texans and Mexicans when they came. I believe the official genre is called Norteno.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-04 12:37:28 and read 9839 times.

I was referring tourism as in Houston is diverse area a lot of Africans and Asians take Emirates and Qatar to get back to there homeland to visit there home country.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-04 12:40:08 and read 9830 times.

People in those countries come to Houston to visit there families. So that's what I am saying hopefully when Terminal D expansion start will here about some more airliners entering the Houston market because they will have more room for more traffic.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-04 12:46:13 and read 9828 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 164):
People in those countries come to Houston to visit there families. So that's what I am saying hopefully when Terminal D expansion start will here about some more airliners entering the Houston market because they will have more room for more traffic.
Quoting IAH59 (Reply 163):
I was referring tourism as in Houston is diverse area a lot of Africans and Asians take Emirates and Qatar to get back to there homeland to visit there home country.

What you dont seem to understand is that there is zero money in that type of travel. Thats why PIA couldnt make IAH work, thats why VN cant make anywhere in the US work, thats why TG cant make anywhere other than LA work (and I have a it on good that flight loses lots of money), and thats why ORD, JFK, and EWR account for 45% of AI's total losses.

Even then, IAH-Africa is almost entirely centered on LOS. Outside of LOS and LAD, there isnt much of a market to Africa from IAH.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FreshSide3
Posted 2012-12-04 17:14:28 and read 9748 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 1):
Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?

UAL did have extra flights in the 2008 Olympics out of JFK and LAX to PEK....but that was only because NBC chartered them.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: thomasphoto60
Posted 2012-12-04 18:23:19 and read 9714 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 165):
What you dont seem to understand is that there is zero money in that type of travel. Thats why PIA couldnt make IAH work, thats why VN cant make anywhere in the US work, thats why TG cant make anywhere other than LA work (and I have a it on good that flight loses lots of money), and thats why ORD, JFK, and EWR account for 45% of AI's total losses.

Even then, IAH-Africa is almost entirely centered on LOS. Outside of LOS and LAD, there isnt much of a market to Africa from IAH.

You're beating a dead horse with this guy, let him have his fantasies.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-04 18:33:17 and read 9705 times.

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/b...s-terminal-d-modernization-is.html

News on the Terminal D expansion just came out an hour ago.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-12-04 19:05:57 and read 9672 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 168):

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/b...s-terminal-d-modernization-is.html

News on the Terminal D expansion just came out an hour ago.

About F#$%ING time!!!

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-04 19:30:05 and read 9656 times.

Yeah only if they could start early 2013 than late 2013 and be done by early 2015 not 2016   . Oh well once they start it will be lovely hearing the news of new carriers coming to IAH.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-12-04 19:55:40 and read 9633 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 165):
Even then, IAH-Africa is almost entirely centered on LOS. Outside of LOS and LAD, there isnt much of a market to Africa from IAH.

Hey B! Have any data for IAH-LOS/ACC/LAD?

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 168):
News on the Terminal D expansion just came out an hour ago.

I'm surprised you didn't see this. You're a bit slow:

http://www.click2houston.com/news/Bi...78/17615296/-/9hdj2pz/-/index.html

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-04 20:18:26 and read 9593 times.

Didn't even know about the new manager. Maybe He will stop Diaz turning the airport from looking like ATL.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-04 20:22:36 and read 9595 times.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 171):
Hey B! Have any data for IAH-LOS/ACC/LAD?

I sure do and Ill go one better. Ill give you the top 6 destinations from IAH in Africa. Once you see the data, youll know what I was referring to:

IAH-LOS: 55 passengers a day each way
IAH-LAD: 12 passengers a day each way
IAH-JNB: 11 passengers a day each way
IAH-SSG: 8 passengers a day each way
IAH-NBO: 7 passengers a day each way
IAH-ACC: 5 passengers a day each way

The IAH-Africa market is centered heavily on IAH-LOS. IAH-LOS is more than half of the entire IAH-Africa O&D. Thats why an airline going after the smaller destinations is nonsense.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-12-04 20:34:36 and read 9579 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 173):
The IAH-Africa market is centered heavily on IAH-LOS.

I guess I had that notion that IAH-ACC would have been a bit higher than it is knowing a few do the route every so often for work. I'm also a bit intrigued CAI is not among the Top 6.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-04 20:40:11 and read 9574 times.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 174):
I'm also a bit intrigued CAI is not among the Top 6.

The Arab spring sent traffic to CAI and Tripoli off a cliff.

That said, there wasnt much traffic from IAH to either.

As for ACC, its heavily centered on the East Coast. The only major contributors of the US-ACC market are NYC, Washington DC, and to a lesser degree Atlanta.

[Edited 2012-12-04 20:41:55]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: shanderawx
Posted 2012-12-04 20:43:57 and read 9575 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 173):
The IAH-Africa market is centered heavily on IAH-LOS. IAH-LOS is more than half of the entire IAH-Africa O&D. Thats why an airline going after the smaller destinations is nonsense.

But build it and they will come. Like freeways in Southern California, just setting up routes can generate demand.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-12-04 20:45:12 and read 9602 times.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 174):
I guess I had that notion that IAH-ACC would have been a bit higher than it is knowing a few do the route every so often for work. I'm also a bit intrigued CAI is not among the Top 6.

Numbers have been lower lately. Also, much like Texas (and USA in general) traffic to Southern Italy, many people taking the Houston -Cairo route break up the tickets on two seperate PNRs and thus the O/D numbers do not show up on official sources.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-12-04 20:45:20 and read 9596 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 175):
The Arab spring sent traffic to CAI

Yes, I did forget how traffic drastically dropped for countries affected by the Arab spring.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-04 20:48:00 and read 9619 times.

Quoting shanderawx (Reply 176):
BS. You aren't going to get enough demand to stimulate another market from IAH to Africa. LOS is the only one that can support commercial service. What you might stimulate is typically low yield anyway.

Would setting up a new route increase the O&D? Yes, it typically does by about 15-20%. Is that going to support a flight from IAH to a non-LOS city in Africa? No way.

[Edited 2012-12-04 20:49:50]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: shanderawx
Posted 2012-12-04 21:07:26 and read 9592 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 179):
Would setting up a new route increase the O&D? Yes, it typically does by about 15-20%. Is that going to support a flight from IAH to a non-LOS city in Africa? No way.



For the present and near future, of course. But Houston has consulates of 10 African countries (mostly honorary, only Egypt and Senegal have regular consulates). But with time, as Africa develops, as discretionary income slowly permates throughout its society, and as Americans learn the splendors of African travel, I think that can change. In ten years, this picture might be quite different. Who would have anticipated an IAH-LOS nonstop 10 years ago?

http://www.allembassies.com/houston_texas_embassies.htm

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-12-04 21:27:19 and read 9569 times.

Quoting shanderawx (Reply 180):
But Houston has consulates of 10 African countries (mostly honorary, only Egypt and Senegal have regular consulates).

This is incorrect. Not just Egypt and Senegal...

Equatorial Guinea has a Consulate General in Houston as does Angola.

Edit: I wouldn't trust your link that much since they spelt the word consulates "Cosulates" at the top of the page...
Try the US state dept or greater Houston partnership int'l section for more accurate info.

[Edited 2012-12-04 21:29:08]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-05 06:38:57 and read 9444 times.

Quoting shanderawx (Reply 180):
For the present and near future, of course. But Houston has consulates of 10 African countries (mostly honorary, only Egypt and Senegal have regular consulates). But with time, as Africa develops, as discretionary income slowly permates throughout its society, and as Americans learn the splendors of African travel, I think that can change. In ten years, this picture might be quite different. Who would have anticipated an IAH-LOS nonstop 10 years ago?

To the first part, I dont buy that consulates create traffic or immigration. If they did, places like DFW, Atlanta, and Detroit would have little to no international O&D because there are not very many consulates. Also, Houston has more consulates than Los Angeles, and LA's international O&D is roughly 5 times higher. Using a more specific local example, Houston has both the Korean and Indian consulates, yet the DFW area has both higher Korean and Indian populations as well as more O&D to both those countries.

To the second part, IAH-LOS was never far fetched. As early as 2005 Arik Air tried to gain service to IAH serveral times. Houston and Lagos have always been large oil hubs so yes, 10 years ago IAH-LOS was certainly on the map.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FreshSide3
Posted 2012-12-05 07:08:15 and read 9420 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 182):
To the first part, I dont buy that consulates create traffic or immigration. If they did, places like DFW, Atlanta, and Detroit would have little to no international O&D because there are not very many consulates. Also, Houston has more consulates than Los Angeles, and LA's international O&D is roughly 5 times higher. Using a more specific local example, Houston has both the Korean and Indian consulates, yet the DFW area has both higher Korean and Indian populations as well as more O&D to both those countries.

Many consulate locations were chosen for accessability. Up until Katrina hit, the Greek consulate was in New Orleans, to cover the southern states........instead of having to deal with the consulates in Chicago and other places futher away. But was that a reason to have ATH-MSY? No. There's no local market for it, and MSY is not a hub.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: slider
Posted 2012-12-05 07:49:54 and read 9379 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 136):
IAH is most expensive airport in America.

Please substantiate.

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 152):
What was a town on the bayou is now a dynamic global city in less than a hundred years. Pretty amazing.
For those who like interactive charts, check out Brookings 2012 global metropolitan monitor, which monitors GDP per capita for the 300 largest metropolitan economies worldwide.
Houston ranked first in USA.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/re...ts/2012/11/30-global-metro-monitor

The future of IAH is strong.

Yeah, it's pretty exciting. I just hope TOO much growth isn't a bad thing. Need people who will assimilate to what it means to be a Texan. Last thing we want is to become CA.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 168):
News on the Terminal D expansion just came out an hour ago.

Does anyone have anything more on this? That article said ZIP. What constitutes "modernization" other than the concessions they cited?

Quoting shanderawx (Reply 176):
But build it and they will come. Like freeways in Southern California, just setting up routes can generate demand.

No disrespect, but if this is how you think, you woefully misunderstand airline economics.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-12-05 09:50:53 and read 9333 times.

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 183):
Greek consulate was in New Orleans, to cover the southern states........instead of having to deal with the consulates in Chicago and other places futher away. But was that a reason to have ATH-MSY? No. There's no local market for it, and MSY is not a hub.

Not to digress again on the consulates but Greece has a full consulate in Houston and Atlanta, and a full consulate general Tampa and has for some time.

http://www.mfa.gr/usa/en/about-us/

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-05 10:23:15 and read 9297 times.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 185):

Yet none of those cities have any meaningful O&D to Greece.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-12-05 11:36:11 and read 9252 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 186):
Yet none of those cities have any meaningful O&D to Greece.

And I never said they did, Much like IAH59s incorrect statement on African consulates in Houston I was just correcting the record on their locations.

However, at the moment many, many places have no meaningful o/d to Greece...

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-05 11:41:30 and read 9244 times.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 187):
However, at the moment many, many places have no meaningful o/d to Greece...

From a yields perspective, youre absolutely right. ATH's yields are in the toilet and show no sign of coming out soon. I doubt anyone could make much of a profit flying from there to the US. I know QR is, but since the flight originates in DOH, thats where the yields will come from.

From a volume perspective, New York and Chicago do have the numbers. They could fill a plane to ATH no problem, but the airline flying them wont make a dime.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-05 11:43:01 and read 9239 times.

I don't think i started the topic about the consulates.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FreshSide3
Posted 2012-12-05 11:55:21 and read 9235 times.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 185):

Not to digress again on the consulates but Greece has a full consulate in Houston and Atlanta, and a full consulate general Tampa and has for some time.

I was under the impression that IAH/ATL effectively replaced the MSY consulate post-Katrina. But I guess I was wrong.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 189):
I don't think i started the topic about the consulates.

Yes, let's get back on topic.....opened a "can of worms" with this consulate thing.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-12-05 12:29:37 and read 9203 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 189):
I don't think i started the topic about the consulates.

Actually it was brought up, albeit incorrectly referenced at first, in relation to the topic.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 188):
From a volume perspective, New York and Chicago do have the numbers. They could fill a plane to ATH no problem, but the airline flying them wont make a dime.

True, UA's on-again, off-again ATH flight seems to be a good indicator.

As for "topic" as IAH59 mentioned. As many here have said. Eastern Asia, some South American growth and maybe a MUC are some "realistic" shots for near future growth. If you believe Air NZ IAH could still be on their short list but I would doubt in 2013.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-05 12:51:52 and read 9189 times.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 191):
As for "topic" as IAH59 mentioned. As many here have said. Eastern Asia, some South American growth and maybe a MUC are some "realistic" shots for near future growth. If you believe Air NZ IAH could still be on their short list but I would doubt in 2013.

Realistic in the next three years, I can see some of the following:

-One new city in Asia. It will be either ICN on UA or OZ or PEK on UA or AC
-SCL on UA
-One new destination in Europe, either MUC on LH or ZRH on LX
-380 on IAH-DXB

What I dont see:

-Multiple destinations in Asia being added
-Mulitple destinations in Europe being added
-Any new destination in South East Asia
-Any new destination in Africa

[Edited 2012-12-05 12:52:30]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: Tdan
Posted 2012-12-05 13:09:33 and read 9187 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 192):

Realistic in the next three years, I can see some of the following:

-One new city in Asia. It will be either ICN on UA or OZ or PEK on UA or AC
-SCL on UA
-One new destination in Europe, either MUC on LH or ZRH on LX
-380 on IAH-DXB

What I dont see:

-Multiple destinations in Asia being added
-Mulitple destinations in Europe being added
-Any new destination in South East Asia
-Any new destination in Africa

Good, practical list LAXdude1023. My comments:

It'll be ICN to Asia. Without US visa waiver, IAHPEK will not work due to the lack of flow points beyond IAH for either UA or CA. ICN doesn't have this problem, plus US-S Korea traffic is going through the roof.

SCL should have happened yesterday, but as long as UA is still mad at IAH, it might not happen for a while.

Until Europe rebounds, I doubt we see any new capacity. However, if/when it does, I can see OSL or BRU as possibilities as well. Local IAH-MUC/ZRH is tiny even though connectivity is better. Plus they don't open up any meaningful new flow points not already served via FRA.

I've said it before, IAHDXB will be the first HGW A380 route followed closely by LAXDXB

The only addition I have to your list is AV to BOG. The market is very hot right now and I could see AV easily making it work

[Edited 2012-12-05 13:10:49]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: AVENSAB727
Posted 2012-12-05 13:31:26 and read 9167 times.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 193):

I don't think UA is mad at IAH at all. They are just getting the merger finished out.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: shanderawx
Posted 2012-12-05 14:57:43 and read 9132 times.

Quoting slider (Reply 184):
Quoting shanderawx (Reply 176):But build it and they will come. Like freeways in Southern California, just setting up routes can generate demand.
No disrespect, but if this is how you think, you woefully misunderstand airline economics.



Considering the state of airline economics inlcuding number of bankruptcies, perhaps misunderstanding is a compliment.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-05 20:04:18 and read 9040 times.

http://www.fly2houston.com/0/3920619/0/83280/
Spirit Airline will start non stop operation to Orlando,Fl on 2/14/2013. So Dallas, Las Vegas, and, Chicago now Orlando

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-05 20:38:09 and read 9016 times.

Work on Phase IIA in Terminal D is due to commence on
schedule in December at the Departure Level, then the
Sterile Corridor and Boarding Piers. Work will be phased,
and working hours arranged to ensure that disruption to
passengers and operational staff will be kept to a minimum.
Completion is expected during the second quarter of 2013.
Phase IIB design is substantially complete and it is expected
that a Guaranteed Maximum Price (GMP) will be finalized by
late December, following which approval will be sought from
the City Council. - News about Terminal D from Houston Airport System Construction update.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-06 07:27:28 and read 8906 times.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 193):
It'll be ICN to Asia. Without US visa waiver, IAHPEK will not work due to the lack of flow points beyond IAH for either UA or CA. ICN doesn't have this problem, plus US-S Korea traffic is going through the roof.

Last night I would have agreed, however today after reading this:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-12/06/c_132023475.htm

Im not sure I do. I have always maintained that an IAH-China route would be more valuble because the market is much larger than IAH-Korea.

It all depends on the connections they are shooting for. IAH-China could 3/4 of a 787 by itself and now that you dont need a visa to transit in PEK and the CA/UA partnership, it would be perfect.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-12-06 08:00:06 and read 8872 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 198):
It all depends on the connections they are shooting for. IAH-China could 3/4 of a 787 by itself and now that you dont need a visa to transit in PEK and the CA/UA partnership, it would be perfect.

Agreed, IAH China makes more sense at the moment.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-06 08:10:50 and read 8873 times.

Well China is one of IAH biggest trade partners according to the power point on there website.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-06 08:13:21 and read 8866 times.

72 hour free visa wow that's nice do you need a visa for Seoul?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-06 08:19:41 and read 8901 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 201):
72 hour free visa wow that's nice do you need a visa for Seoul?

No visa is need there for US citizens.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-06 09:00:28 and read 8883 times.

Well on Fly2houston.com they said in 2012 they want to talk to Taiwan, South, and, China about future flight operations. Makes sense to go with Beijing than with Seoul because Houston top ten trade partners is with China.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-06 09:15:53 and read 8875 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 203):
Well on Fly2houston.com they said in 2012 they want to talk to Taiwan, South, and, China about future flight operations. Makes sense to go with Beijing than with Seoul because Houston top ten trade partners is with China.

Based on the flight data, IAH can support one more Asian destination (in addition to Tokyo and Singapore) but not more than that in the near future.

In Texas, Seoul and Korea have much greater ties to the Dallas/Fort Worth area as well as North Texas than they do to Houston and South Texas. Heck, Austin-Seoul is not much smaller a local market than Houston-Seoul. However, China is very much the opposite. In Texas, Chinese ties are centered in the Houston area. The O&D is greater and the yields are similar.

I feel strongly that IAH-China would be better. I know Tdan and I may not see eye to eye on this one, but he makes a good arguement too. Its just a matter of what UA, CA, or OZ decide. Dont forget that if an airline decided to fly IAH-ICN, they have to compete with KE and AA both daily on DFW-ICN. If they decide on IAH-PEK, you get a larger market and no competition in this region.

[Edited 2012-12-06 09:16:53]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-06 14:31:25 and read 8810 times.

Yes because at the moment there's no direct flight from Texas to China but, there is from Texas to Korea so makes sense. If you have 2 cities flying to Seoul then people from like Austin, San Antonio, and, New orleans etc will have and option if there's only one city that has the direct must customer will go there.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-06 15:52:59 and read 8781 times.

Well 2013 good year for IAH with the Phase 1 Terminal B opening up, Turkish Airline operating direct flights, Spirit Airlines adding a new destination, Unnamed Asian carrier that's coming, Terminal D expansion starts, and, United 787 start international flights.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-07 10:15:32 and read 8650 times.

Houston is down 1 percent but, cargo doing well. http://centreforaviation.com/news/ho...-1-cargo-stable-in-oct-2012-189031

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-12-07 20:11:32 and read 8534 times.

When is this new Asian carrier supposed to be announced? I'm calling ANA or Air China. My next choice would be Asiana, but given the IAH-Korea numbers in this thread, I'm ruling that out for myself.

IAH needs another NRT frequency. Those flights are ALWAYS full. And, I see a lot of those bags are checked-in through ANA, so thats what makes me think that.

CA I can see because it's the only *A airline based in China that can do long-haul, and the numbers of IAH-China posted on this thread seem to make it worth the while.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-07 21:15:09 and read 8495 times.

Well they said the new Asian Carrier will be announced after Turkish Airline arrives. They also said its going to be a flag carrier. On IAH powerpoint they said they were talking to China, Korea, and, Taiwan about future flight operation. Also do recall mayor and her delegates and Houston Airport System going to the Far east.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-12-07 21:21:58 and read 8500 times.

Do you count ANA, Asiana, and Eva to be flag carriers? To be frank, I don't think HAS knows what the term flag carrier means. Unless they talked Korean Air, China Airlines, JAL, or any other of the non-Star carriers to make a viable since of flying to IAH.

If they do know what "flag carrier" means, then that pretty much points all fingers to Air China.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-07 21:40:45 and read 8488 times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnnCmsmZKeo - Well the Asian Tv station that asked Diaz the question about the Asian airline coming to Houston the language they were speaking was Vietnamese. So it could be airline from Vietnam. I'm pretty sure they were speaking Vietnamese i posted link so correct me if I'm wrong.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-07 21:44:53 and read 8483 times.

They said there flag will represented on the plane so I'm assuming a real flag carrier.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-12-08 06:31:52 and read 8403 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 192):
Realistic in the next three years, I can see some of the following:

-One new city in Asia. It will be either ICN on UA or OZ or PEK on UA or AC
Quoting Tdan (Reply 193):
It'll be ICN to Asia. Without US visa waiver, IAHPEK will not work due to the lack of flow points beyond IAH for either UA or CA. ICN doesn't have this problem, plus US-S Korea traffic is going through the roof.
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 198):

Im not sure I do. I have always maintained that an IAH-China route would be more valuble because the market is much larger than IAH-Korea.

It all depends on the connections they are shooting for. IAH-China could 3/4 of a 787 by itself and now that you dont need a visa to transit in PEK and the CA/UA partnership, it would be perfect.
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 199):
Agreed, IAH China makes more sense at the moment.
Quoting IAH59 (Reply 203):
Agreed, IAH China makes more sense at the moment.
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 204):
China is very much the opposite. In Texas, Chinese ties are centered in the Houston area. The O&D is greater and the yields are similar.
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 204):
China is very much the opposite. In Texas, Chinese ties are centered in the Houston area. The O&D is greater and the yields are similar.

I feel strongly that IAH-China would be better. I know Tdan and I may not see eye to eye on this one, but he makes a good arguement too. Its just a matter of what UA, CA, or OZ decide. Dont forget that if an airline decided to fly IAH-ICN, they have to compete with KE and AA both daily on DFW-ICN. If they decide on IAH-PEK, you get a larger market and no competition in this region.

So, after reading everyone's posts I would throw my weight heavily in favor for IAH-PEK on this one. My rationale behind this would be two fold:

a.) the HAS press conference specifically referred to the Asian carrier in question as being 2013 a "flag" carrier of its nation.
b.) the carriers real time a/c capabilities (operational range specifically) to perform the mission set to start next summer.

Air China looks like the odds on favorite as it is its countries flag bearer and it has the right type a/c on order and delivering as we speak to perform the mission which is the 777-300ER.

"Deliveries of the carrier's 19 new Boeing 777-300ERs commenced in mid-2011, and Air China stated that the aircraft will form the "backbone of its future longhaul operations". The new Boeing 777-300ER will ultimately replace Boeing 747–400 on routes to U.S. destinations such as Los Angeles, New York, and San Francisco, but is expected to first enter service on flights to Paris from March 2012. The Boeing 777-300ER will replace all 747 service once sufficient numbers enter the fleet. The airline announced that it plans to use the Boeing 777-300ER on one of its two daily Beijing-Los Angeles flights beginning 1 February 2012.[21] Beginning in late-2012 to early 2013, the airline will replace the Boeing 747-400s currently servicing the New York and San Francisco routes with the Boeing 777-300ER."

Air China has 19 of the 773's on order replacing what amounts to 9 - 744/M's currently in the fleet. That difference of 10 speaks volumes to the notion that Air China is looking to expand its network presumably here in the US (ie: gulf coast since E & W coasts are covered already?).

Additionally, speaking to the other flag carrier's mentioned on this forum specifically Vietnam / VA, KA and CA, KA I would agree that Korean has the Texas market covered with its DFW service thus no real need to fly to another non-Skyteam hub. Now regarding VA, we can agree in principle that their are an in flux of Vietnamese living in Houston and surrounding areas along the gulf coast along with a fair amount of Taiwanese in the metro area, however CA and Vietnam do not possess (or have on order) currently the range of aircraft needed to perform a mission deep into the US from either of these countries at least not by a summer 2013 launch (UNLESS their is a plan to acquire leases).

Mission Capable (A/C on Order):

Vietnam Airlines - A350-900's (in 2014) & 787-800's (in 2015) [Note: current 772 require tech stops for IAH]
China Airlines - 777-300ER's (in 2014) A350-900's (2015) [Note: IMHO, current 744 overkill for IAH]


ANA & EVA (both Star Partners in their own right) were honorable mentions, but these again are not flag carriers referring to the HAS press conference, but that does not mean HAS knew what they were talking about concerning the meaning of "flag carrier" either. EVA would be competing head to head with DFW-ICN from the south against KE & AA. However, both ANA & EVA do possess mission capable a/c to perform the service.

Finally, ANA (while this could work and might indeed be welcome added capacity) would be competing with UA (IAH-NRT) and AA (DFW-NRT) to the north.







[Edited 2012-12-08 06:47:05]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-08 07:13:00 and read 8377 times.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 213):
Quoting IAH59 (Reply 211):
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 210):

It all depends on the connections they are going after. At the end of the day we dont know whats real and what isnt. Youre putting to much weight behind the words of a city councilman. Maybe this is new to Houston, but it certainly isnt to Dallas. We have had our mayors, Jeff Fegan (the airport director of DFW), and members of our local Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian, etc. chambers of commerce go over seas and beg for service. You should have seen what was on Jeff Fegan's wish list (it included things like Thai Airways and British Airways on DFW-MAN, totally unrealistic). At the end of the day, the airlines do what they want. The more and more I read their statements, the more I think there is a lot of hot air in them. Dont read too much into them. Starting new destinations is proprietary information and the airline would certainly never tell an airport director what their plans are. Thats why its comical everyone is hanging on Director Diaz's words.

That all said, I am convinced that IAH will see another Asian destination soon. The market is growing too fast to be ignored. I just dont put any faith in what an airport director says. As Ive mentioned the airport directors across the country promise all kinds of things. The one at DFW promised we would see all kinds of things we havent.

Breaking it down, what you are going to see is one of the following:

NH to NRT
CA or UA to PEK
OZ to ICN

Its not going to be anything else.

As for VN flying to Houston, it isnt going to happen unless there is some sort of subsidy (and a huge one at that). Let me put it in perspective this way, I was privy to some of their numbers years back. When they were looking at launching LAX, if the flight were nonstop, it would have been scheduled to lose about 60 million a year. They announced it at one point as SGN-KIX-LAX thinking the KIX-LAX would make up for the yields. They canned it immediately after announcing it because they realized that even that couldnt make it profitable. LAX-SGN is both higher yielding and much larger than IAH-SGN. To be frank, the only long haul destination that SGN can support with decent yields is CDG. The rest are connection based between Europe and Southeast Asia and Australia.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-08 19:51:14 and read 8222 times.

The reason why I thought it could be a Vietnamese carrier because the reporter that asked Diaz about the Asian carrier was from a Vietnamese TV network.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-09 10:33:53 and read 8060 times.

If you type in Sq62 on google it shows that arrives at Houston Terminal E???

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-09 10:35:12 and read 8055 times.

Doesn't Singapore arrive in Terminal D.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-12-09 11:50:07 and read 8015 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 216):
If you type in Sq62 on google it shows that arrives at Houston Terminal E???
Quoting IAH59 (Reply 217):
Doesn't Singapore arrive in Terminal D.

SQ planes are docked at D as use D for departures. All international arrivals are all processed at E/IAB. Once passengers complete US CBP in the IAB they eventually end up at the Terminal E arrivals hall, just underneath E departure check-in.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-09 11:59:11 and read 8001 times.

I knew that I just would think it would say Terminal D.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-12-09 19:19:57 and read 7885 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 219):

I knew that I just would think it would say Terminal D.

You thought wrong.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-09 20:00:34 and read 7852 times.

Anybody knows if Menzies Aviation will do Turkish Airline ground handling?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-12-09 23:57:32 and read 7803 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 221):

Anybody knows if Menzies Aviation will do Turkish Airline ground handling?

I don't see why CO didn't/UA doesn't contract with the airlines and just have CO/UA rampers work the planes under the wing just to make a couple extra bucks. Would also make just "that" many more ramp jobs.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: hohd
Posted 2012-12-10 08:11:47 and read 7730 times.

TK flying from IAH is going to have an impact on EK and QR and to a lesser extent AF, LH, KL, especially being a star alliance carrier. Right now TK's fares (from April 2013) are much below anything what LH or EK have to offer to Turkey and points beyond Turkey.

Both Southwest and Spirit are slowly adding flights to Houston (from HOU and IAH) and chipping away the "fortress hub pricing" of United. This is good for all Houstonians.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-12-10 09:11:35 and read 7690 times.

Quoting hohd (Reply 223):
TK flying from IAH is going to have an impact on EK and QR and to a lesser extent AF, LH, KL, especially being a star alliance carrier. Right now TK's fares (from April 2013) are much below anything what LH or EK have to offer to Turkey and points beyond Turkey.

Yes, but I myself will continue utilizing LH's product line (preference to the A380 and FRA) as most of my travel will be withing C. Europe. TK would only come into play if I was in fact making Turkey my final destination or continuing on into Asia or to Russia, Ukraine & the Balkan states as far as connections go. I do think that TK will provide a good alternative for travelers getting to E. Europe specifically like Ukraine for example. In the past, my itinerary limited me to 2 stop connections through US hubs like ATL / JFK and a fortress European hub. Now, it looks like the trip to places like Kiev, Lviv, Odessa, etc. will in fact be able to be made via a single connection through IST.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-10 12:41:32 and read 7626 times.

The prices for TK will go up though as soon as they start may be couple hundreds cheaper than Qatar and Emirates.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-10 12:43:59 and read 7631 times.

Reason why I asked about the ground handling services cause I know Singapore, Air France, Taca, Emirates, Qatar Airways, and, I think British Airways are handle by Menzies. I know Air Serv does Lufthansa and Aero Mexico. Swissport does KLM.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-12-10 19:38:54 and read 7529 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 226):
I know Air Serv does Lufthansa and Aero Mexico.

Huntleigh does LH. And I think AM is by Mensies.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-10 20:50:58 and read 7490 times.

Lufthansa and Aero Mexico is by Servis Air.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-12-10 21:09:50 and read 7489 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 228):
Lufthansa

I guarantee you LH is Huntleigh. Next time you are in D, go to D-12 and see if one of the Huntleigh catering trucks is there. It will say "Servicing the first A380 in Texas" or something to that effect. I have also talked to one of the LH agents, and she said she worked for Huntleigh.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-12-11 01:56:36 and read 7439 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 229):

Huntleigh USA is in fact referred to as a screening company commonly also known as ICTS. They are known for providing security services to airlines and the like. Concerning the operations of a service truck at IAH for the A380, that would likely be to support cleaning and janitorial services whereas catering would be contracted out to the airports food services companies.

Since they are a security company, I also see them providing gate access support to the aircraft by way of scanning tickets and document checks at the gate in support of LH Gate Agent staff along with possibly overseeing operations of the pax jetway. Not sure about cargo / baggage handling operations, aircraft marshalling or APU hookup responsibilities, although these might also be requirements as part of the contract with the airline.

http://www.huntleighusa.com/services/product-and-services-solutions
Huntleigh USA's technological sister subsidiary, I-Sec, is a leading developer of advanced technological solutions for the aviation security industry as well as for other industries. Its state-of-the-art systems perform computerized pre-screening of passengers, security processing of passengers and cargo, automated travel document checks and more, thus increasing the efficiency of the security check in terms of accuracy and speed.

Aviation And Other Related Services

Access control
Aircraft guarding
Aircraft cleaning
Aircraft search
Airline crew transportation
Baggage security
Charter flight screening
Janitorial Services
Passenger Screening
Pre-Board Screening
Skycap services
Wheelchair atte

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-11 06:54:21 and read 7378 times.

I guess I was told wrong.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-12 21:00:07 and read 7196 times.

Anyone know the date for the first 787 international flight?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: jumpjets
Posted 2012-12-13 03:56:50 and read 7146 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 232):
Anyone know the date for the first 787 international flight?

I think you just missed it! The first international 787 flight from IAH landed in AMS on Wednesday morning. There is a separate thread on this - it seems it is a one off flight and the regular flights to international destinations are yet to start.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-12-13 06:59:44 and read 7105 times.

So, based on this new Chronicle article that came out this past Monday the 10th it looks like T-D is indeed being planned for an upgrade from 1 - A380 gate to 3 capable gates in total. HAS further indicates below that other airlines have also expressed interest in bringing their own A380's to IAH. That get's my mind wondering which ones are truly planning to make that a reality. My guess would be EK (an upguage instead of add'l daily service) for sure, but any of the others would be a toss up.

"The Terminal D project calls for revamping 11 gates, including three to handle the double-decker Airbus A380. Three other foreign airlines with service at Bush - Singapore Airlines, Emirates and Air France - also own A380s. British Airways and Qatar Airways have the big planes on order. But none has announced A380 service to Houston or Texas - yet. Terminal D hasn't been updated since it was completed in 1990, and airport officials want to prepare it for possible additional A380 service. They have mentioned discussions with airlines expressing interest in flying the Airbus planes to Bush."

http://www.chron.com/business/articl...way-for-more-big-birds-4101287.php

[Edited 2012-12-13 07:01:25]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-12-13 07:22:38 and read 7071 times.

Doesn't scheduled intl. 787 service start in January? I think it's going to be IAH-AMS.

My money for next A380 service is on EK, second would be BA (if they configure them premium-heavy), and my third choice would be QR.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-12-13 07:27:44 and read 7060 times.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 234):
The Terminal D project calls for revamping 11 gates, including three to handle the double-decker Airbus A380.

I wonder if this means the current D1-D11 gates since they revamped D12 to handle the A380, which blocks the use of D11. Or would they revamp D4-D12 and add 3 newer gates. It will be interesting to see what HAS has in store for D once they release renderings of the remodeling.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-13 07:51:11 and read 7046 times.

Finally more news but, everytime they come out with news about Terminal D its the same really  . They need to start work now.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-13 07:53:11 and read 7048 times.

The other day I saw Air France at gate D4 right next to KLM 747 at gate D5. Usually Air France is at gate D7 anybody knows why they moved down?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-13 07:58:03 and read 7033 times.

If you look at IAH on google maps at gate E4 and E7 you see 2 jetways attached to a United 777. Could they accommodate a United 747 at those gates?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAHWorldflyer
Posted 2012-12-13 08:13:18 and read 7025 times.

The upgrading of Terminal D to include an upper level for airline clubs, and more retail on the gate level is very welcome news. Some new carpet would be nice too. I'm a little surprised that the HAS has done nothing to that terminal in 22 years, but then again, for most of the time HAS and the City was in Continental's pocket and concentrated on projects to enhance CO's business.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 235):
My money for next A380 service is on EK, second would be BA (if they configure them premium-heavy), and my third choice would be QR.

I second your opinion about EK adding A380 service, I think this will probably happen by 4Q of 2013 or 1Q of 2014. I'm not sure BA could fill seats on an A380 when UA is going to 3x daily on the LHR route, though I wonder if AF would think about using it on the summer schedules given that UA dropped IAH-CDG, leaving them the only game in town. In the past AF has been double daily in the summer when CO was in Skyteam, and this past summer the flight was upgauged to a 77W for most of June, July and August.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-13 08:21:20 and read 7021 times.

Well if British Airways decides to put a 3rd flight to IAH what time would they fly around cause they have a flight at late 4pm and late 8 pm?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-13 08:45:19 and read 7006 times.

Will Viva Aerbus withdraw from IAH as soon as Hobby international terminal will open up? I hope not.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-12-13 08:50:01 and read 6999 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 242):

Why not? It would be better positioned at Hobby to feed with SWA and its budget minded traffic.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-13 08:56:24 and read 6995 times.

More options from IAH   .

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-12-13 09:23:15 and read 6977 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 242):
Will Viva Aerbus withdraw from IAH as soon as Hobby international terminal will open up? I hope not.
Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 243):
Why not? It would be better positioned at Hobby to feed with SWA and its budget minded traffic.

I don't know about VB or how VB is doing at IAH, but WN partners with Y4 and wonders what happens with the partnership once WN starts international services at HOU.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-13 14:20:50 and read 6887 times.

I hate this Hobby expansion screwing everything up  

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-12-13 14:22:49 and read 6888 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 246):
I hate this Hobby expansion screwing everything up

It was bound to happen. And competition is a good thing. All the drama of what airlines will say and do in situations like these should be turned into a soap opera!

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-13 14:31:29 and read 6874 times.

Yes they should but, hopefully no one will drop IAH for HOU.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-12-13 14:36:47 and read 6872 times.

Interesting tidbit regarding the upcoming holiday travel season....

"As defined by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics, the winter holiday starts the third Wednesday in December, and ends on the first Tuesday in January. It looks like if you’re flying from Houston (IAH) you’re looking at some smooth flying – 79% of the flights are on time, only 20% are delayed and 1% are cancelled. The same can’t be said if you plan on flying through San Francisco (SFO), which has a dismal record of getting passengers to their destinations unscathed by delays and cancellations. 63% of the flights going through SFO are on time, 34% are delayed, and 3% are cancelled."

IAH must be doing something right concerning the state of the airport, not to mention usually favorable weather conditions throughout the year. UA should be really looking at expanding, rather than contracting its operations over places like SFO, ORD, and the like. Additionally, if a European or Asian carrier were smart they would not only consider load factors, hub feed, metropolitan demographics, but also take into consideration the on-time record that IAH provides thorugh out the year when considering a fresh US destination to serve.

http://www.visualnews.com/2012/12/11...ch-airports-are-the-most-reliable/

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-12-13 14:52:12 and read 6865 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 248):

Not understanding why VB needs to remain at IAH....what value do they add? They are a foreign, non-legacy discount carrier like Spirit correct? Other than maybe pushing down fares "a little" in competing directly with AM / UA for the Mexico market, I do not find it appealing that it operates along side AM, AF/KL, LH, BA, QR., EK, TK (2013), and possibly new Star Alliance Asian carrier which all cater to the same 1st, biz class and full fare economy class pax. I myself would prefer an all legacy T-D with upgraded facilities to include new club lounges, upscale restaurants etc. like LHR's T-5, JFK's T-1, and so on. I guess what I am saying is that if you mix discounters in with the legacy product it cheapens the image of Houston's "crown" airport. Wouldn't it be better to either create a small satellite stand of gates for discount carriers if they wish to serve IAH? Isn't this what internationalizing HOU was all about (attracting foreign discount carriers) besides allowing SWA the opportunity to fly outside the US?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-13 14:59:17 and read 6863 times.

I guess your right but, I just don't want HOU take IAH opportunities away. Or UA to cut down even more from IAH.With Frontier, Spirit, and, Viva Aerobus customer then will option to have a cheap ticket out of IAH or HOU so sets competition for Southwest and Hobby.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: AVENSAB727
Posted 2012-12-13 17:40:18 and read 6849 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 251):

UA won't cut down more at IAH.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: thomasphoto60
Posted 2012-12-13 17:42:23 and read 6848 times.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 252):
UA won't cut down more at IAH.

I am going to hold you to this.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: GEsubsea
Posted 2012-12-13 17:53:12 and read 6842 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 251):

I guess I don't know what opportunities HOU is taking from IAH if in fact all 3 carriers you are referencing moved to HOU. IAH and HOU are virtually serving two distinct markets, HOU for discount / holiday fares and IAH for Legacy Cities / Global destinations. I just don't see how these 3 discount carriers inflict enough competition on UA, DL, AA, and the T-D carriers to drive down the cost of fares that the public is going to shift focus towards. Gone are the days of "old" UA & NW offering student fares to Europe (Council & STA Travel offices come to mind  where one with a student ID could score $500 fares to Europe from legacy US cities. Today, fuel surcharges and gov't taxes make up a good portion of today's sky high fares that are now the norm (flying LH 441 tomorrow for Xmas break and after looking at my ticket $1309, the taxes are more than HALF of the price). I sometimes have to think about what actually makes sense to pay for travel domestically anymore (do I fly or drive to save money on a 2 week holiday)? Internationally, I really have no choice but to pay the piper, but I make sure to at least get as many perks that can still be had through programs like LH's Oil & Energy Club and the like.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-13 18:05:44 and read 6813 times.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 252):

Me 2 I am going to hold you for this lol.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: Antoniemey
Posted 2012-12-14 04:01:24 and read 6741 times.

Quoting IAHWorldflyer (Reply 240):
I'm a little surprised that the HAS has done nothing to that terminal in 22 years, but then again, for most of the time HAS and the City was in Continental's pocket and concentrated on projects to enhance CO's business.

Which, as I understand it, CO paid or helped to pay for most of.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-12-14 22:03:14 and read 6591 times.

Where were the FIS and Customs facilities at IAH located before D was built?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: thomasphoto60
Posted 2012-12-15 00:19:11 and read 6555 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 257):
Where were the FIS and Customs facilities at IAH located before D was built?

B and C.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-12-15 11:33:12 and read 6447 times.

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 258):
B and C

Not to sound nit-picky, but where at in the terminal exactly? I've just always wanted to know this  

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: shanderawx
Posted 2012-12-15 13:10:42 and read 6410 times.

Quoting shanderawx (Reply 195):

I remember flying GUA-IAH in 1960 and I believe adjacent to the luggage on the bottom floor.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: thomasphoto60
Posted 2012-12-15 16:39:16 and read 6350 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 259):
Not to sound nit-picky, but where at in the terminal exactly? I've just always wanted to know this

Well I can't say for C but for B, the 2 north side pods were the int'l gates from the late 60s until the early 90s when D (IAB as it was called then) was opened. From what I know of terminal C's int'l gates, they were completed in the mid-80s and located on the south side of the terminal.


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Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-20 21:34:37 and read 5978 times.

Today KLM was departing out of D2 usually it departs out of D5. Instead Singapore departed out of D5 usually it depats from D2 or D4.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-20 21:46:09 and read 5972 times.

Delta will be flying there new CRJ-900s to IAH. http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...-to-operate-deltas-40-new-crj-900s

IAH with most on time rating. http://www.fodors.com/news/best-and-...ports-for-holiday-travel-6279.html

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-21 21:54:16 and read 5792 times.

American Airlines will start flights from IAH TO New York JFK on April 2, 2013.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: legacyins
Posted 2012-12-22 08:43:58 and read 5689 times.

Looks like IAH is getting a new Asian Carrier. Air China (CA) will start service next July on a 4 weekly service using their new 77W. Proposed schedule as follows:

Beijing – Houston eff 02JUL13 NEW 4 weekly Boeing 777-300ER service
CA995 PEK1500 – 1540IAH 77W x135
CA996 IAH0130 – 0500+1PEK 77W x246

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-22 09:04:16 and read 5660 times.

Quoting legacyins (Reply 265):

I knew it! I've been saying it all along that China is the right choice for IAH as opposed to Korea. This route will no doubt be successful!

Feeling pretty good about now!  

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: AVENSAB727
Posted 2012-12-22 09:08:08 and read 5645 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 266):

Agreed!!!

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: DalDC9Bos
Posted 2012-12-22 10:17:00 and read 5576 times.

Vietnam Airlines would do very well in Houston I am assuming given the largest group of Vietnamese living in Houston after Los Angeles. As part of Skyteam, they would fit in.


Does anybody have the load factors for Delta's relatively new service IAH to LGA, 3x a day. Most airlines (Non-UA/CO) who began HOU-LGA eventually ended the flights. This was tried by AA, a couple times, and smaller carrier...believe sun country for time.


Spirit seems to be doing well at IAH. I expect them to keep expanding.


I wouldn't be surprised if Virgin America added IAH service soon.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: STT757
Posted 2012-12-22 10:56:51 and read 5544 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 264):
American Airlines will start flights from IAH TO New York JFK on April 2, 2013.

Hopefully this will lead to UA re-launching IAH-JFK.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-22 18:52:56 and read 5405 times.

Any links leading to a article about Air China coming to Houston.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-12-22 19:08:50 and read 5386 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 270):
Any links leading to a article about Air China coming to Houston.

Check out airlineroute.com. Sometimes the mods erase posts with an airlineroute.com link.

Quoting DalDC9Bos (Reply 268):

Vietnam Airlines would do very well in Houston I am assuming given the largest group of Vietnamese living in Houston after Los Angeles. As part of Skyteam, they would fit in.

As others have said they can fill the plane with all the VFR traffic, but it does not necessarily bring the yields to make the route viable.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-22 20:52:29 and read 5304 times.

So anyone knows what days Air China will be flying? It will be nice to see the whole Terminal D line up at IAH together. Leaving at 1:30 is so early only get to see Aero Mexico and KLM at the gates then with Air China be nice to see it with all the other heavies. Apparently Air Pacific is coming to Houston as well?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-22 20:59:35 and read 5289 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 272):

Air Pacific isn't coming. They did a charter to IAH. It's a one time thing.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-22 21:04:37 and read 5276 times.

Oh okay anyone know what days Air China will operate on?

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-12-22 21:08:16 and read 5274 times.

I called it! CA is coming to town! As for the Air Pacific, apparently that was a charter.
Now lets start the next round of IAH speculation...   
JHB on SA, for the left-field fans out there
SCL on UA/LA, really hoping for UA though
I'm really surprised that AV hasn't made a move in IAH, ever...
AKL on UA/NZ,again, really hoping for UA though
Domestic is anyones guess, 98% to be UA on any expansion.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-22 21:22:17 and read 5247 times.

I went on Air China website and tried to see if the bookings are a available but, there not only showing flights from IAH via LAX to PEK.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-12-22 21:38:19 and read 5240 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 276):
I went on Air China website and tried to see if the bookings are a available but, there not only showing flights from IAH via LAX to PEK.

It is bookable on kayak- flights 995 and 996, roughly $2000 for the roundtrip in July

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-12-22 21:46:40 and read 5221 times.

double sorry
delte second

[Edited 2012-12-22 21:49:55]

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-22 21:49:05 and read 5220 times.

If you go to fly2houston.com they don't even have it announced yet about Air China.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: AVENSAB727
Posted 2012-12-22 21:50:54 and read 5214 times.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 278):

They will be back. It was just announced today on airlineroute.net.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-12-22 21:51:41 and read 5213 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 279):
If you go to fly2houston.com they don't even have it announced yet about Air China.

On the Saturday before Christmas? I doubt anyone is in the press office...

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: IAH59
Posted 2012-12-22 22:49:58 and read 5182 times.

So no official article about Air China plans to IAH...

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2012-12-23 00:33:19 and read 5142 times.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 274):
Oh okay anyone know what days Air China will operate on?

Did you not check airlineroute.com? Also did you not click on Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!? You can find the schedules for the 4/week flight. Try a little harder next time.

Topic: RE: Future Of IAH.
Username: iowaman
Posted 2012-12-23 09:49:53 and read 5055 times.

Please continue the discussion on thread #2 as this one is getting quite lengthy for our slow internet/mobile phone users. Any posts after this one will be removed for housekeeping purposes.

Future Of IAH #2 (by iowaman Dec 23 2012 in Civil Aviation)


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