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Topic: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: Mortyman
Posted 2012-12-12 21:41:21 and read 9522 times.

Brazil to build over 800 new airports

Brazil will build over 800 new regional airports, said President Dilma Rousseff.

- Figures in Brazil are big. We plan 800 regional airports to cities with more than 100,000 inhabitants, the president told French business leaders at a seminar in Paris on Wednesday.

She says that Brazil is a country the size of a continent. The country needs more rail, but many people have no alternative but to travel by plane.

- We want all cities of over 100,000 inhabitants to have an airport within 60 miles, she said.

Brazil, which has 194 million inhabitants of a territory which is 17 times the size of Spain, is planning to upgrade its dilapidated infrastructure in the coming years.

Among other things, the capacity of the country's airports blasted after air transport increased by over 120 percent in the past decade as a result of that 30 million people have been lifted out of poverty and have started to fly for the first time.

Article translated from Norwegian:

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ur...ge-800-nye-flyplasser-7068888.html


Interesting developments. People are gonna be put to work in Brazil, that's for sure. I'm guessing that more aircraft orders are on it's way too in the comming years ...  

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: C010T3
Posted 2012-12-12 21:50:46 and read 9490 times.

She's completely delusional. Forget what she said.

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: tonytifao
Posted 2012-12-12 23:15:53 and read 9340 times.

What a dumb witch! They can't even remodel current airports.

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: AR385
Posted 2012-12-12 23:49:57 and read 9258 times.

Everyday she´s looking more and more like her bipolar counterpart in Buenos Aires. She might build them. Who´s to say airlines are going to fly there? A recipe for money losing white elephants for sure.

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: tonytifao
Posted 2012-12-13 00:08:06 and read 9209 times.

Brazil does not have a sustainable domestic market and she wants to build another 800? And why would you build airports if the roads are so great! Have any of you ever traveled through Minas?

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: KiwiRob
Posted 2012-12-13 02:55:35 and read 8898 times.

Are you sure it wasn't a miss translation, 800 sounds nuts, 80 sounds much more plausible.

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: RG787
Posted 2012-12-13 03:16:53 and read 8855 times.

What is running trough my mind is that those airports will be regional, then, where are the planes flying to? Bigger airports, the ones that are crowded now and the government doesn't put serious investment on. This is a recipe to chaos. And kiwi, you didn't miss it, it's 800 nutports.

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: LuftyMatt
Posted 2012-12-13 03:26:21 and read 8818 times.

How environmentally friendly.

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: art
Posted 2012-12-13 03:56:35 and read 8712 times.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 5):
Are you sure it wasn't a miss translation, 800 sounds nuts, 80 sounds much more plausible.

"Brasil skal bygge over 800 nye regionale flyplasser, opplyser president Dilma Rousseff"

The number reported in Aftenposten is definitely 800. My Norwegian is more or less non-existent but I wonder if in Norwegian the word "flyplass" could mean anything from an airstrip to a large airport. Any Norwegians able to clarify, please?

I guess that the intention is to provide the infrastructure to enable air links to all towns with a population of 100,000 or more.

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: KiwiRob
Posted 2012-12-13 04:31:07 and read 8617 times.

Quoting art (Reply 9):
"Brasil skal bygge over 800 nye regionale flyplasser, opplyser president Dilma Rousseff"

I was thinking the paper not the OP miss quoted, it happens frequerntly in Norway especially with numnbers where the number said and the number translatedto are often wildly different.

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: sccutler
Posted 2012-12-13 05:05:48 and read 8525 times.

Not sure I understand what "environmental effects" are being complained of here.

While I don't buy the 800 figure, I commend the initiative to improve and increase the country's aviation infrastructure. It is useful and valuable to the country as a whole, and to the local communities in which the airfields are built.

Lastly, it is irrelevant whether a regional airline can and will serve any particular location; a healthy general aviation infrastructure is vital and valuable, as well.

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: C010T3
Posted 2012-12-13 06:52:41 and read 8324 times.

Brazilians here are not commenting on the 800 airports based on the Norwegian article. 800 is really the figure mentioned. It was all over the news in Brazil:
http://oglobo.globo.com/economia/dil...roportos-regionais-no-pais-7024002

It's really insane and will never be done. Nobody needs to worry about, especially when it comes to the environment. Brazil has one of the most restrictive environmental laws. It's not adequately enforced after the projects are done, but when it comes to licensing, it's a real bureaucratic nightmare. Not in this century will 800 airports be built.

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: Mortyman
Posted 2012-12-13 07:31:00 and read 8243 times.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 5):
Are you sure it wasn't a miss translation, 800 sounds nuts, 80 sounds much more plausible.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 11):
I was thinking the paper not the OP miss quoted, it happens frequerntly in Norway especially with numnbers where the number said and the number translatedto are often wildly different.

The 800 number is correct and is not a misstranslation from the Norwegian article. Anyone can search google or yahoo and find numerous articles with the same quoted number.

Quoting art (Reply 9):
Norwegian the word "flyplass" could mean anything from an airstrip to a large airport. Any Norwegians able to clarify, please?
Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
We plan 800 regional airports to cities with more than 100,000 inhabitants
Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
- We want all cities of over 100,000 inhabitants to have an airport within 60 miles, she said.




Now, the 800 number is deffinetly hard to beleave and I personally don't know what to think about it. However Brazil and other developing countries like China will see an increase in passenger numbers as people will get an increase in wealth and will be able to travel more unlike before. It is in Asia, Africa and South America the increase in airtravel will increase in the future.

[Edited 2012-12-13 07:35:00]

[Edited 2012-12-13 07:35:38]

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: Marcus
Posted 2012-12-13 07:49:23 and read 8194 times.

Could it be 800 landing strips?

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: C010T3
Posted 2012-12-13 08:08:15 and read 8146 times.

Quoting Marcus (Reply 15):
Could it be 800 landing strips?

No, 800 regional airports, which in Brazil are seen as airports capable of handling RJs or at least larger turboprops.

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: BCBHokie
Posted 2012-12-13 09:06:38 and read 8016 times.

How about just two new international ones, one in Rio de Janeiro and one in Sao Paulo? Both are inefficient, dingy, dysfunctional train wrecks.

Its sad when one of the worlds most powerful economies can't build decent airports in its two most important world cities. When you somehow manage to make LAX and JFK look like HKG and SIN by comparison, it is time to start over.

I know Brazil is capable if they put their mind to it... CGH and SDU are pleasant and efficient, but GRU and GIG are a different story.

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: beiaard
Posted 2012-12-13 10:43:14 and read 7760 times.

For a bit of scale in your mind's eye....
In the US, the number of airports offering commercial airline service is 503 (http://www.airlines.org/Pages/Airports-QA.aspx), meaning that the people-to-airport ratio is about 618 000:1. Even if there were no existing airports in Brazil, after these 800 airports were built, the people-to-airport ratio would be about 245 000:1. This would mean that the airport per capita rate in Brazil would be more than twice as high as in the US, and I'm not sure anyone would think the US is short on airports.
This to say nothing of what the comparative rate would be if we included only those who had the means to travel by air, which I'm fairly confident would be significantly higher in the US than in Brazil, making the ratio even more extreme.

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: timpdx
Posted 2012-12-13 10:48:51 and read 7695 times.

They ought to stick to upgrading or better yet buldozing GRU and GIG before millions pour through these wretched places for the World Cup and Rio Olympics.

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: TR763
Posted 2012-12-13 11:40:50 and read 7250 times.

Before thinking of constructing 800 new airports, they should make the existing ones better. MUCH better.
What a reverie...

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-12-13 11:55:41 and read 7123 times.

Now we know where all the planes being bought will fly.  
Quoting sccutler (Reply 12):
While I don't buy the 800 figure, I commend the initiative to improve and increase the country's aviation infrastructure.

Agree. Now for something to off-load (replace) GRU.

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
- We want all cities of over 100,000 inhabitants to have an airport within 60 miles, she said.

A little ambitious. It takes a larger population to support an airfield unless there is significant wealth. I'm doubting the 800, but a few hundred is reasonable. Heck, China is building 400 runways which implies Brazil needs at least a hundred more.

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
as a result of that 30 million people have been lifted out of poverty and have started to fly for the first time.

And that is why the 'epicenters of aviation' shall shift. Brazil and Indonesia will be too hot spots of growth.

Quoting TR763 (Reply 22):
Before thinking of constructing 800 new airports, they should make the existing ones better. MUCH better.

They should do both.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2012-12-13 11:57:34 and read 7109 times.

Is there any plan for improving the benighted ATC system?

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-12-13 12:02:38 and read 7167 times.

Oh no, We already pay too much taxes.... LOL, jokes apart, I make my fellow brazilian posters words mine: "She can't even remodel the old ones, you can imagine build new and helpful ones"....

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: Byrdluvs747
Posted 2012-12-13 13:31:28 and read 6376 times.

Given Brazil's population concentration is mostly on its eastern coast, where is the justification for 800 airports even if only regional?

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: Aesma
Posted 2012-12-13 14:36:53 and read 5910 times.

For irony's sake she said that in France where there is local civil unrest because of an airport project, with its main proponent being former Nantes' mayor and current socialist prime minister Jean-Marc Ayrault. Some experts are saying it could lead to a governmental breakdown.

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: PPVRA
Posted 2012-12-13 15:27:32 and read 5611 times.

Quoting beiaard (Reply 19):
This to say nothing of what the comparative rate would be if we included only those who had the means to travel by air, which I'm fairly confident would be significantly higher in the US than in Brazil, making the ratio even more extreme.

That, plus the US has about 100,000,000 more people.

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: danielkandi
Posted 2012-12-13 16:55:26 and read 5224 times.

"Brasil skal bygge over 800 nye regionale flyplasser, opplyser president Dilma Rousseff"

The number reported in Aftenposten is definitely 800. My Norwegian is more or less non-existent but I wonder if in Norwegian the word "flyplass" could mean anything from an airstrip to a large airport. Any Norwegians able to clarify, please?

I guess that the intention is to provide the infrastructure to enable air links to all towns with a population of 100,000 or more.

seriously ? this must be a very bad error in translation...

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: incitatus
Posted 2012-12-13 19:24:08 and read 4670 times.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 22):
Given Brazil's population concentration is mostly on its eastern coast, where is the justification for 800 airports even if only regional?

Brazil's geography is not unlike the Continental USA. Brazil's area is larger. The Continental US also has vast empty spaces. Wealth in the Western half of the US is lumped into a couple of dozen large metro areas separated by either nothing or low income, small cities.

Topic: RE: Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports
Username: pierrelav
Posted 2012-12-14 07:15:10 and read 3939 times.

Another Brazilian wet dream. Can barely cope with their present shabby infrastructure. 20 N.M separation in effect on many airports due to poor radar coverage.


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