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Topic: No American A300s At DFW
Username: richiemo
Posted 2012-12-13 19:56:51 and read 8543 times.

Interesting that when I searched in a.net's photo album for old AA A300s, I wasn't able to find a picture of one in DFW. I know that they were used mainly at JFK and Mia, and used thru the Caribbean (and I actually remember AA using one on a EWR - LHR route in the 90s). But still, given the size and scope of the DFW hub for AA, you would have thought a couple would have made their way there over the years, at least enough to have caught a picture or two. I bet you'd have a hard time finding another example like this with another airline/aircraft type/hub.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: dtw757
Posted 2012-12-13 20:26:05 and read 8440 times.

I know for sure they had them on scheduled routes from ORD when they first took delivery of them. I dont know about DFW though.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: NASCARAirforce
Posted 2012-12-13 21:20:56 and read 8303 times.

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 1):
I know for sure they had them on scheduled routes from ORD when they first took delivery of them. I dont know about DFW though.

They barely had them at ORD. In 5 trips to ORD in late 90s early 2000s I saw one AA A300 - that was in 1997. The only U.S. Airports to see them regularly in 2000s were JFK, I think EWR, MIA, MCO, FLL, SJU, maybe BOS.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: flymia
Posted 2012-12-13 21:45:12 and read 8219 times.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 2):
JFK, I think EWR, MIA, MCO, FLL, SJU, maybe BOS.

The A300 was a MIA airplane. JFK was also a big base for the A300. SJU saw a bit mostly from MIA and JFK and I think a few other places. I think I remember SJU-BDL on the A300?
AA did fly MIA-MCO on the A300 not sure if it went anywhere else. As for FLL I think for a period AA did FLL-PAP with the A300. The flight is now a 738. AA also flew MIA-BOS with the A300 for a while.

I flew MIA-BOS on an A300 in 2002. MIA-JFK-MIA on an A300 in 2004 and MIA-BOS-MIA in 2005 on an A300. I enjoyed the plane as a passenger. Sure did beat the 757s, a bit more room in the A300.

[Edited 2012-12-13 21:47:42]

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: american 767
Posted 2012-12-13 21:56:25 and read 8164 times.

That's right. DFW never saw the A300, as far as AA was concerned. American has flown every type in its fleet out of DFW except the A300. That surprised me too. I would have expected at least DFW-MIA to see the A300. When they receive their first A319 in a year from now, if not less than that, it is going to be the first time they fly an Airbus model out of DFW.

ORD did see the A300 indeed. Yes, that I remember. From ORD, it was only to MIA that you could fly on an A300.

[Edited 2012-12-13 22:00:14]

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: AA737-823
Posted 2012-12-14 02:44:35 and read 7841 times.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 4):
I would have expected at least DFW-MIA to see the A300.

Back in the day (early 1990's when the A300 was still a fairly new thing at AA), the DFW-MIA route was being flown by the DC-10/MD-11 fleet. As was DFW-MCO. No need for an A300 then, I guess.

Quoting flymia (Reply 3):
AA did fly MIA-MCO on the A300 not sure if it went anywhere else.

It also went the other way, MCO-MIA... I sat in coach on this route once. NOT a pleasant flight, but that was no fault of the aircraft.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: jalapeno
Posted 2012-12-14 08:19:33 and read 7128 times.

The A300 certainly flew out of DFW, I saw it on may trips to the airport back in the day. But true, there are no pictures of it there in the A.NET database.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: CF-CPI
Posted 2012-12-14 08:51:27 and read 6755 times.

A300 ops out of BOS also included some transatlantic routes. IIRC, this was in the late '90s and came to an end at some point not long after. AA considered this north Atlantic use serious enough to warrant cabin upgrades that included new seats in both F and Y. They had the adjustable headrests and darker blue seat covers similar to the 777s. This was applied only to a subset of the A300 fleet, and as far as I know, at the end of A300 ops at AA, the fleet was still flying around with two seat types.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-14 08:59:19 and read 6657 times.

Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 7):
A300 ops out of BOS also included some transatlantic routes.

The A300 was also AA's primary JFK-LHR aircraft for a few years. AA was one of the very few carriers to use the A300 to any extent on transatlantic routes. LH also used their A300-600s on a few east coast US and Canada routes in their early years of LH service.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: dtw757
Posted 2012-12-14 09:58:50 and read 5958 times.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 2):
They barely had them at ORD.


That may be but as others have stated, they did use them at ORD. I recall seeing one and it had to be almost brand new in March 1989. I remember thinking that AA must be going with painted fuselages after seeing the A300 painted all gray.

[Edited 2012-12-14 09:59:24]

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: golftango
Posted 2012-12-14 10:14:54 and read 5794 times.

It was also the primary AC used on the BDL - SJU run in the 90s.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: northstardc4m
Posted 2012-12-14 10:21:16 and read 5737 times.

I remember clearly seeing multiple AB6s at ORD in 94, and I took pics of one in 97 there... I remember chatting with people back a few years ago about why AA didn't send the AB6 to DFW, or use them DFW-MEX... *shrug*

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: airplanebrain
Posted 2012-12-14 10:44:29 and read 5523 times.

If memory serves, I believe AA may have flown an A300 from DFW to Calgary on some occasions.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: tommy767
Posted 2012-12-14 10:56:09 and read 5405 times.

For a brief time in the early 90s I believe there were some oddball A300 routes before they went strictly MIA: JFK-LAX, ORD-LAS, ORD-LAX etc.

In 1999-2000 AA was short of widebody capable aircraft on the LHR sector and refirbished several A300 to have new seats and PTVs. I don't believe there are any photos of AA A300s in the database with PTV but I can confirm that several were outfitted with PTV for the LHR routes: EWR-LHR, JFK-LHR, BOS-LHR -- primarily speaking. However these routes often bounced back to 762 and 763 in 2000-2001

In my personal experience I flew the AA A300 on several occasions:

8/97: SJU-AUA
2/99: EWR-MIA
2/99: MIA-AUA
2/99: AUA-MIA
11/03: MIA-EWR

They were nice to fly on but ratty interiors by the end

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: commavia
Posted 2012-12-14 10:59:32 and read 5381 times.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 2):
The only U.S. Airports to see them regularly in 2000s were JFK, I think EWR, MIA, MCO, FLL, SJU, maybe BOS.

There were plenty of others, including, but not limited to: SDQ, STI, PAP, BGI, MBJ, AUA, SJO, LIM and BDL.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 4):
From ORD, it was only to MIA that you could fly on an A300.

Nope. They flew other routes, too, including ORD-LAS and ORD-SJU. I remember seeing it in timetables, and I know a now-former AA FA who used to be based at the now-former FA base in SJU who used to do multi-day SJU-ORD-LAS turns.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
The A300 was also AA's primary JFK-LHR aircraft for a few years.

Yes, and the subfleet of lower-density, more premium-configured, 3-class F/J/Y A300s also flew regularly on, among others, BOS-LHR, BOS-ORY, EWR-LHR, and I believe PHL-LHR (although PHL-LHR may have always been a 767).

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: tommy767
Posted 2012-12-14 11:01:05 and read 5359 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 14):
and I believe PHL-LHR (although PHL-LHR may have always been a 767).

IIRC, AA stopped flying PHL-LHR back in the early 90s. You might be thinking of IAD-LHR?

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: commavia
Posted 2012-12-14 11:07:22 and read 5293 times.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 15):
IIRC, AA stopped flying PHL-LHR back in the early 90s. You might be thinking of IAD-LHR?

Yes - it was only flown briefly in the early 1990s (around 1993-1994, I believe), but I can't remember if that route ever saw A300s or was only ever 762 and/or 763.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: tommy767
Posted 2012-12-14 11:09:59 and read 5269 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 16):
Yes - it was only flown briefly in the early 1990s (around 1993-1994, I believe), but I can't remember if that route ever saw A300s or was only ever 762 and/or 763.

A300s weren't flown TATL until 1999-2000 when the new interiors were installed. PHL-LHR could have been a M11, D10, 762, or 763 back then.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: commavia
Posted 2012-12-14 11:13:30 and read 5227 times.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 17):
A300s weren't flown TATL until 1999-2000 when the new interiors were installed.

No. A300s were definitely flying across the pond before 1999. The A300s were used as a stopgap until the 777s entered service, which was in March 1999, and the A300s by that point had already been flying to Europe for at least several years before that.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: AAIL86
Posted 2012-12-14 11:24:50 and read 5137 times.

Quoting jalapeno (Reply 6):
The A300 certainly flew out of DFW, I saw it on may trips to the airport back in the day. But true, there are no pictures of it there in the A.NET database.
Quoting airplanebrain (Reply 12):

If memory serves, I believe AA may have flown an A300 from DFW to Calgary on some occasions.

No, this isn't the case. I worked for American for 8 years - all at DFW is various jobs. I can tell you for a certainty that the A300 was never used there - ground staff was not trained to even handle the aircraft. Therefore, we never even saw it on equipment swaps...

[Edited 2012-12-14 11:25:37]

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: olddominion727
Posted 2012-12-14 12:25:45 and read 4640 times.

they flew them on a couple of LAX-SJU subs... just a few and they also flew them LAX-MIA. and before someone says the never flew between lax-sju nonstop, they did late 90's-early 2000's I believe. It was a redeye to SJU used 767's and 757's. which surprised me because I never thought the 57's had the legs for it.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: brilondon
Posted 2012-12-14 12:31:13 and read 4580 times.

Was DFW always AA headquarters? I thought they were headquartered in New York years ago.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-14 12:32:03 and read 4561 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 18):
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 17):
A300s weren't flown TATL until 1999-2000 when the new interiors were installed.

No. A300s were definitely flying across the pond before 1999. The A300s were used as a stopgap until the 777s entered service, which was in March 1999, and the A300s by that point had already been flying to Europe for at least several years before that.

A300 photos at LHR dated 1997 and 1998. Most photos are between 1999 and 2002.


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Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: BHXDTW
Posted 2012-12-14 12:43:14 and read 4470 times.

.... I believe they also served the RDU - LGW ? correct me if I'm wrong but i'm 86% sure.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-14 12:46:33 and read 4422 times.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 23):
Reply 23, posted Fri Dec 14 2012 21:43:14 your local time (59 secs ago) and read 29 times:


.... I believe they also served the RDU - LGW ? correct me if I'm wrong but i'm 86% sure.

There are no photos in the database of AA A300s at LGW.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: BHXDTW
Posted 2012-12-14 12:51:14 and read 4527 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 24):
There are no photos in the database of AA A300s at LGW.

Then in that case I must be mistaken. I'm pretty sure I saw them operating to LHR out of BOS / EWR and I swore I saw it listed as a AB6 out of RDU to LGW before Bermuda II was abolished... hmmm...

Oh well.... shame to not see them anymore.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: commavia
Posted 2012-12-14 12:53:07 and read 4528 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
A300 photos at LHR dated 1997 and 1998. Most photos are between 1999 and 2002.

Yes. AA A300s were definitely flying to Europe before 1999.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 23):
.... I believe they also served the RDU - LGW ? correct me if I'm wrong but i'm 86% sure.

I do not believe AA has ever operated anything on RDU-LGW/LHR besides the 767 (200ER and 300ER) and 777.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: timz
Posted 2012-12-14 15:05:11 and read 3623 times.

Quoting jalapeno (Reply 6):
The A300 certainly flew out of DFW

When?

Airport Activity Stats for 1991 shows two AA A300 departures from DFW during that year-- none in 1990 or 1993-94.

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: ozark1
Posted 2012-12-14 15:10:38 and read 3590 times.

I've got many years with AA. If my memory serves me correctly, the only time they were ever in DFW was on a diversion during LAX-MIA flying which I am pretty sure they were on. I do remember that the crew went illegal and they had to find DFW flight attendants who were A300 qualified which wasn't easy. This happened maybe once or twice but I can definitely tell you the A300 never flew a scheduled trip out of DFW

Topic: RE: No American A300s At DFW
Username: NASCARAirforce
Posted 2012-12-14 15:16:13 and read 3516 times.

Quoting airplanebrain (Reply 12):
If memory serves, I believe AA may have flown an A300 from DFW to Calgary on some occasions.

What would be the reason for such high density between DFW and YYC? Calgary Stampede???

Quoting commavia (Reply 14):
There were plenty of others, including, but not limited to: SDQ, STI, PAP, BGI, MBJ, AUA, SJO, LIM and BDL.

I said US airports, the only additional US one on your list is BDL.


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