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Topic: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: Jerseyguy
Posted 2012-12-13 15:34:18 and read 4794 times.

Surprised that this wasnt posted earlier but

JFK Security Workers Are Threatening To Strike Right Before Christmas
http://www.businessinsider.com/jfk-s...ty-workers-threaten-strike-2012-12

Looks like they are striking over money and "security issues". Anyone know the nature of the security issues?

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: plateman
Posted 2012-12-13 15:39:45 and read 4775 times.

They claim they are not trained well enough.... From NBC4NY: "The nonunion workers say they want better training and equipment, and voted to authorize a strike Thursday."

And they have filed complaints with the TSA, who found nothing wrong. Sounds like they just want press and make a name for themsleves ... doing it totally the wrong way.

WSJ has the real reason: "The security officers have complained about low wages, unaffordable benefits, and efforts by employers to block union organizers"

More here: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...ards-Holiday-Travel-183399581.html
http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012...s-authorize-holiday-travel-strike/

And my take...
This would devastate a major hub and air travel across the country ... I hope if they do decide to strike, they all are promptly fired and replaced. I've flown JFK many times and they are clueless as is

[Edited 2012-12-13 15:42:20]

[Edited 2012-12-13 15:44:17]

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: Mir
Posted 2012-12-13 15:45:43 and read 4749 times.

To clarify, this isn't the TSA people, it's people working for a private company who do tasks other than passenger screening.

Quoting Jerseyguy (Thread starter):
Looks like they are striking over money and "security issues". Anyone know the nature of the security issues?

From what I heard on the radio today, it's just that they're not being given the tools to do their job properly (which isn't surprising from a company cheap enough to pay them as little as they do).

-Mir

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: OOer
Posted 2012-12-13 16:06:00 and read 4668 times.

Quoting plateman (Reply 1):
And my take...
This would devastate a major hub and air travel across the country ... I hope if they do decide to strike, they all are promptly fired and replaced. I've flown JFK many times and they are clueless as is

How dare they ask for improvements in their workplace. Let's fuel the race to the bottom...that will get better security personnel in here.

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: Jerseyguy
Posted 2012-12-13 16:35:54 and read 4601 times.

They can ask for improvements in their workplace all they want but when you threaten to take it out on your customers (the people that make their jobs possible) that's where the line is crossed. Tell little Johnny and Little Susie that we can't go to see Grandma and Grandpa because the security guards are bettering their workplace. If there are true security issues report it to the proper authority and if they are not being addressed take it to the media.

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: OOer
Posted 2012-12-13 18:55:39 and read 4383 times.

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 4):
and if they are not being addressed take it to the media.

Yeah...there's an even quicker way to get fired. At least going on strike is a protected right. Going to the media is the dumbest thing you could do as an employee.

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 4):
They can ask for improvements in their workplace all they want but when you threaten to take it out on your customers

They're not taking it out on their customers, they're walking off the job because they are dissatisfied. These people didn't just wake up one day and said they were going on strike, i'm sure they've been trying to work things out for quite some time...going on strike is always a LAST resort, not the first one.

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: FlyDeltaJets
Posted 2012-12-13 20:03:16 and read 4288 times.

I think people view strikes in the wrong light. The strike is not meant as a punishment to the customers. The strike is a show to the employers that their job has importance and their demands need to be heard. We should applaud collective barganing efforts as this is the type of actions that got most of the labor laws that we have in place today.

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: plateman
Posted 2012-12-13 20:06:30 and read 4278 times.

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 4):
They can ask for improvements in their workplace all they want but when you threaten to take it out on your customers (the people that make their jobs possible) that's where the line is crossed. Tell little Johnny and Little Susie that we can't go to see Grandma and Grandpa because the security guards are bettering their workplace. If there are true security issues report it to the proper authority and if they are not being addressed take it to the media.

Exactly, they claim their are security issues, but TSA looked into that and found none. They knew the job benefits and the salary when they signed up for the job, to take it out on the passengers is just wholly not right. And you can't tell me they didn't plan to do it during one of the busiest holiday travel seasons ...

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: FlyDeltaJets
Posted 2012-12-13 20:26:18 and read 4237 times.

Quoting plateman (Reply 7):
Exactly, they claim their are security issues, but TSA looked into that and found none.

They also claim that they faced employer retaliation for reporting alleged security violations.

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: dc9northwest
Posted 2012-12-13 20:32:27 and read 4226 times.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 6):
The strike is not meant as a punishment to the customers.

I think they should have a right to strike (it's a good way to reach some agreement, the threat of a strike), but don't expect me to like them for doing so or not get annoyed if it happens while I'm there. Maybe it's not meant as punishment for customers, but the effect is the same. In this day and age, we look at how the effect affects us, and not at what people meant by their actions that caused the effect on our lives.

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: OOer
Posted 2012-12-13 20:39:12 and read 4215 times.

They are non-union employees, which means that any employee can go on strike at any time.

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: Mir
Posted 2012-12-13 20:48:44 and read 4197 times.

Quoting plateman (Reply 1):
And they have filed complaints with the TSA, who found nothing wrong.

Oh, well if the TSA says it then it must be true....  

-Mir

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: kalvado
Posted 2012-12-14 01:49:20 and read 4043 times.

Quoting OOer (Reply 10):
They are non-union employees, which means that any employee can go on strike at any time.

I assume it means employment at will as well.

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: OOer
Posted 2012-12-14 04:37:35 and read 3980 times.

Quoting kalvado (Reply 12):
I assume it means employment at will as well.

That is correct.

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: b6a322
Posted 2012-12-14 08:17:42 and read 3871 times.

Discussion about whether or not they should be allowed to, or should strike, aside, I think the real question here is how effective will these strikes actually be?

These are non-TSA, non government workers. So who exactly are these people? The ones that sit by the exit of the customs area and make sure people can't come back in? I'm not sure how many people there are but that doesn't seem like a hard job to replace with someone else from a different agency as a stopgap measure.

Actually, if these are the people I'm thinking of, then they're the same people who told me I couldn't take pictures at the airport (they were of my friends, mind you). Just because I have a nice camera for plane spotting..

So I really do wonder what kind of affect this is going to have. I get the feeling it won't be huge, though I could be wrong. Especially since they're all nonunion, a good number will probably just keep their heads down and keep working.

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: FlyDeltaJets
Posted 2012-12-15 02:15:51 and read 2504 times.

Quoting b6a322 (Reply 14):
Discussion about whether or not they should be allowed to, or should strike, aside, I think the real question here is how effective will these strikes actually be?

These are non-TSA, non government workers. So who exactly are these people? The ones that sit by the exit of the customs area and make sure people can't come back in? I'm not sure how many people there are but that doesn't seem like a hard job to replace with someone else from a different agency as a stopgap measure.

Actually, if these are the people I'm thinking of, then they're the same people who told me I couldn't take pictures at the airport (they were of my friends, mind you). Just because I have a nice camera for plane spotting..

So I really do wonder what kind of affect this is going to have. I get the feeling it won't be huge, though I could be wrong. Especially since they're all nonunion, a good number will probably just keep their heads down and keep working.

Private security is responsible for the majority of security functions in a large airport such as JFK. Really the TSA only does the screening and they do oversight functions like making sure SIDA badges are being displayed and challenge rules are being followed. Private security companies such as in this case Air-Serv are responsible for the overall terminal security which includes access control, monitoring cameras, responding to door alarms, calling for police, fire and/or medical services when needed. They also are tasked with escorting vendor vehicles and persons onto the AOA the list goes on. Private security officers have a lot of responsiblities in many large airports.

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: Jerseyguy
Posted 2012-12-15 17:42:38 and read 2359 times.

Quoting OOer (Reply 5):
They're not taking it out on their customers, they're walking off the job because they are dissatisfied.

. You make it sound as if they are quitting because they are dissatisfied. Not only are they deciding to do this all at once they are planning so that it comes at the worst possible time. Also unlike true quitting, they want their job back.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 6):
I think people view strikes in the wrong light. The strike is not meant as a punishment to the customers. The strike is a show to the employers that their job has importance and their demands need to be heard.

I think workers view strikes in the wrong light. Whether it is meant as a punishment or not, it becomes one. People don't magically get to their destination when flights gets canceled or majorly delayed. Bottom Line is that pax pay the bills, they are the reason you have a job, punishing them (whether you mean to or not) shouldn't be a viable option.

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: N867DA
Posted 2012-12-15 17:59:30 and read 2338 times.

Quoting plateman (Reply 7):
They knew the job benefits and the salary when they signed up for the job, to take it out on the passengers is just wholly not right.

Unfortunately, the only way to get management to pay attention during the Great American Race to the Bottom is by showing that the company actually needs them in order to make money. I understand that strikes are inconvenient, and having been impacted by them know firsthand they are as fun as getting a root canal performed by a blind alligator, but sometimes they are necessary. In any event, it's not like they're just waking up and saying, "screw the customers! Let's play hooky!" Everyone knows it's coming.

The bigger question is what the impact of this will be, and how airlines will deal with any canceled flights. Maybe they can increase flights to EWR and LGA temporarily?

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: Jerseyguy
Posted 2012-12-15 21:31:54 and read 2286 times.

What they are saying is "screw the customers, I knew what I was signing up for yet I want more money".

Re: adding flights to EWR and LGA
Neither has enough gate space or runways to accommodate more flights and airlines don't have extra widebodies to accommodate more pax.

[Edited 2012-12-15 21:36:46]

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: AA94
Posted 2012-12-15 21:40:43 and read 2274 times.

Personally, I don't have a problem with their choice to strike. If they feel that they need better tools and/or training, that is their prerogative. Many people don't realize that private security firms are tasked with much of the general operational tasks in the terminal while the TSA is basically only responsible for doing screening and oversight ops.

That said, I do take issue with the fact that they are striking during an extremely busy holiday travel period, at one of the country's largest national and international hub airports. If they want to make their voice heard, that's fine, but to punish customers traveling during a holiday season? Don't like it.

Topic: RE: JFK X-MAS (starting 12/20) Security Workers Strike
Username: Mir
Posted 2012-12-16 00:04:20 and read 2230 times.

Quoting AA94 (Reply 19):
That said, I do take issue with the fact that they are striking during an extremely busy holiday travel period, at one of the country's largest national and international hub airports. If they want to make their voice heard, that's fine, but to punish customers traveling during a holiday season? Don't like it.

When would you have them strike? If you do it during a down travel period, the employer won't care nearly as much and the strike won't be as effective.

-Mir


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