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Topic: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-12-17 08:23:17 and read 10902 times.

Should be good for both the ethnic crowd, and tourism....


As a sign of further improved relations with the US and economic growth in Cambodia, United Airlines seeks to implement codeshare service to Phnom Penh and Siem Reap Cambodia.

United proposes to offer direct service linking its San Francisco gateway with the two Cambodia markets via Seoul Korea commencing late January utilizing connecting codeshare service operated by Asiana.

Currently the US and Cambodia do not have an air service agreement, however in the spirit of cooperation, the Cambodian CAA has approved this extra bilateral service and encourages the proposed links to the United States.


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Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: Birdwatching
Posted 2012-12-17 08:26:26 and read 10867 times.

Kind of an anti climax. The title says "first US - Cambodia air link" (sounds like United flying nonstop), then it turns out to be through Seoul (still good) and then it turns out it is an Asiana plane (that flew there before this announcement) with a UA flight number slapped on. What's the big news?

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Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: DL WIDGET HEAD
Posted 2012-12-17 08:28:48 and read 10842 times.

Awesome. Hopefully Delta will do the same on KE via ICN. I visited Siem Reap last year and must say that it was fascinating. I would love to see Delta serve this route from NRT at some point.

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: United787
Posted 2012-12-17 08:34:46 and read 10784 times.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 1):
Kind of an anti climax. The title says "first US - Cambodia air link" (sounds like United flying nonstop), then it turns out to be through Seoul (still good) and then it turns out it is an Asiana plane (that flew there before this announcement) with a UA flight number slapped on. What's the big news?

It is a step forward. I would imagine the market isn't big enough for United to get into it. When I saw this, I thought it might be a tag on to the SGN service...

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: gabrielchew
Posted 2012-12-17 08:40:21 and read 10734 times.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 1):
What's the big news?

Exactly. All this is is a code share? Hardly newsworthy at all. I'm also sure that 99% of pax on these flights will continue to be Korean tourists, and not Americans.

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-12-17 08:44:22 and read 10690 times.

Its news because its the first formal marketed flight linking the nations.

Also the US and Cambodia don't even have an air service agreement, and this approval was issued on basis of goodwill.

Positive step forward for the nations that had antagonist past.

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: DolphinAir747
Posted 2012-12-17 09:48:24 and read 10361 times.

Good step.
Honestly the tendency of US airlines to hub at NRT and operate through flights on their own metal is a 50s thing. I wouldn't be surprised if the increase in JVs caused UA and DL to focus more on codeshares with NH/OZ and KE.

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: Roseflyer
Posted 2012-12-17 09:54:54 and read 10307 times.

There is no bilateral agreement between the US and Cambodia. That means that there can't be any US marketed codeshare flights into Cambodia. UA can sell a ticket to Cambodia but only under its authority to act as a travel agent and interlining.

Allowing codeshares will let UA offer fares into Cambodia. That will make prices much more reasonable. Currently UA has to purchase a ticket on Asiana or Thai Airways which makes it very expensive since the passenger is essentially buying two tickets. This makes it uncompetitive with Korean and Asiana.

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-17 13:34:53 and read 9037 times.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 7):
Allowing codeshares will let UA offer fares into Cambodia.

There's no need for any kind of government permission to sell interline through fares (not involving a codeshare). There isn't much difference from the passenger's point of view except the flight number.

[Edited 2012-12-17 13:37:24]

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: jasewgtn
Posted 2012-12-17 14:15:22 and read 8632 times.

It's not the first "US" Airline.

UA aren't the first USAirline to do it, DL already code shares through ICN with KE into PNH and REP

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-12-17 14:59:27 and read 8118 times.

Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 9):
DL already code shares through ICN with KE into PNH and REP

Not according to delta.com or GDS.

Delta.com does not even recognize PHN as valid city code, while it does for REP but books onto KE flights.

In GDS all is shown are the local KE flights to ICN, but there are no direct through ticket DL connections to the US listed.

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: Roseflyer
Posted 2012-12-17 14:59:58 and read 8118 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):

There's no need for any kind of government permission to sell interline through fares (not involving a codeshare). There isn't much difference from the passenger's point of view except the flight number.

To the passenger it isn't that big of a deal if they purchase directly through the airline, but interline through fares are not priced the same way as codeshares and often will not show up in travel website searches such as Kayak.

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2012-12-17 15:11:58 and read 8021 times.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 7):
That means that there can't be any US marketed codeshare flights into Cambodia. UA can sell a ticket to Cambodia but only under its authority to act as a travel agent and interlining.

Well, as Jasewgtn mentioned:

Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 9):
L already code shares through ICN with KE into PNH and REP

Such a codeshare already exists. I flew last year JFK-ICN-REP (on KE but on a DL ticket with DL flight numbers).

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: kurt
Posted 2012-12-17 15:23:33 and read 7917 times.

The flight times from Cambodia are less than optimal.

OZ 738 REP-ICN arrives at 6:55 a.m.
OZ 740 PNH-ICN arrives at 6:50 a.m.;

while UA 892 ICN-SFO departs at 6:10 p.m. An 11-hour stopover is not very appealing.

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: jasewgtn
Posted 2012-12-17 15:51:12 and read 7651 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Delta.com does not even recognize PHN as valid city code, while it does for REP but books onto KE flights.

The code is PNH.... But you are correct they don't code share to PNH, my mistake, however they do to REP


From Delta.com

Flight InformationClose
DL 7874:Seoul-Incheon, South Korea (ICN) to Siem Reap, Cambodia/Kampuchea (REP)
Departs:6:30pm,Thu 14Feb
Arrives:10:15pm,Thu 14Feb
Duration:5h 45m
Aircraft:Boeing 737

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: Roseflyer
Posted 2012-12-17 15:53:20 and read 7631 times.

Quoting kurt (Reply 13):
The flight times from Cambodia are less than optimal.

OZ 738 REP-ICN arrives at 6:55 a.m.
OZ 740 PNH-ICN arrives at 6:50 a.m.;

while UA 892 ICN-SFO departs at 6:10 p.m. An 11-hour stopover is not very appealing.

Asiana's flights rarely seem to time well for connections to the US. Their Southeast Asia flights tend to require long layovers in ICN one way. Even BKK which they serve 2-3 times a day, they still have lousy connections. OZ doesn't even have good connections to cities like HKG.

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: steex
Posted 2012-12-17 15:55:25 and read 7618 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Not according to delta.com or GDS.

Delta.com does not even recognize PHN as valid city code, while it does for REP but books onto KE flights.

In GDS all is shown are the local KE flights to ICN, but there are no direct through ticket DL connections to the US listed.

Interesting. The following are from Delta's schedule:

DL 7880 PNH 23:40 ICN 06:40 737
DL 7871 ICN 18:30 PNH 22:20 737

DL 7875 REP 23:15 ICN 06:10 737
DL 7874 ICN 18:30 REP 11:15 737

[Edited 2012-12-17 15:57:01]

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-12-17 16:36:21 and read 7273 times.

Quoting kurt (Reply 13):
while UA 892 ICN-SFO departs at 6:10 p.m. An 11-hour stopover is not very appealing.

UA also has a 11am-12noon depature (time depending on season) from ICN that goes to NRT and beyond Transpac connections.

Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 14):
rom Delta.com

Flight InformationClose
DL 7874:Seoul-Incheon, South Korea (ICN) to Siem Reap, Cambodia/Kampuchea (REP)
Departs:6:30pm,Thu 14Feb
Arrives:10:15pm,Thu 14Feb
Duration:5h 45m
Aircraft:Boeing 737

And how does one get to the US ???

I can't build any itineraries in GDS using the flight from REP onto DL USA services with pricing.

Quoting steex (Reply 16):
Interesting. The following are from Delta's schedule:

DL 7880 PNH 23:40 ICN 06:40 737
DL 7871 ICN 18:30 PNH 22:20 737

Delta.com does not show PNH as even being a valid city code. Obviously they are not interested in selling the flight.

Screwy listing.

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: jasewgtn
Posted 2012-12-17 17:14:48 and read 6933 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
And how does one get to the US ???

I guess you mean from the US?

From Delta.com when looking up a flight and pricing I can't get any PNH but REP is coming up just find, and personally have had friends fly DTW-MSP-ICN-REP on this arrangement.

This is an availabilty search from Delta.com DTW-REP

12:10PM 10:15PM Thu 14 Feb
DL 159
DL 7874 (1)
1 stop
ICN2h 5m
22h 5m
Operated by: 1 Korean Airlines

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: steex
Posted 2012-12-17 23:00:59 and read 5015 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
Delta.com does not show PNH as even being a valid city code. Obviously they are not interested in selling the flight.

Screwy listing.

It is indeed very strange. PNH is recognized by DL's downloadable flight schedule program, and that's where I was able to find those schedules. Furthermore, if you search for something like DTW-PNH on Kayak, it will show a 1-stop DL itinerary over ICN using that codeshare, but Delta.com then (not surprisingly, as you indicated) cannot process the transaction because it doesn't recognize the PNH code.

Of course, as a Delta FF, no level of IT failure on Delta's part surprises me at this point!  

Topic: RE: First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-12-18 08:47:30 and read 2576 times.

Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 18):
I guess you mean from the US?

No to the US.

I cannot construct or price a valid itinerary in GDS.

Don't seem to be valid flight for sale.


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