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Topic: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: queb
Posted 2012-12-06 05:17:34 and read 26698 times.

Bombardier Aerospace announced today that Delta Air Lines, Inc. of Atlanta, Georgia has placed a firm order for 40 CRJ900 NextGen regional jets and has taken options on an additional 30 CRJ900 NextGen aircraft.

Based on the list price of the CRJ900 NextGen aircraft, the firm order is valued at approximately $1.85 billion US, and could reach approximately $3.29 billion US if the 30 options are converted to firm orders.

The new CRJ900 NextGen regional jets will be configured with 76 seats in a two-class cabin and will be operated by Delta Connection carriers to be determined by Delta Air Lines.

http://www.marketwire.com/press-rele...en-jetliners-tsx-bbd.a-1734469.htm

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: queb
Posted 2012-12-06 05:45:49 and read 26506 times.

More details here:

Delta will acquire 40 new CRJ900 two-class regional jets, with the option to purchase an additional 30 CRJ900 aircraft, and Bombardier will assist Delta in phasing out 60 single-class CRJ200 aircraft.

The CRJ900 will be configured with 12 seats in the first class cabin, 12 seats in Delta's popular Economy Comfort section and 52 seats in economy. The aircraft will feature Delta's all-leather seating in a two-by-two configuration with window and aisle seats only.

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1809

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-12-06 06:00:07 and read 26322 times.

Good for Bombardier and DL! It'll be nice to see more CR9s presumeably helping to replace the 50-seaters.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: r2rho
Posted 2012-12-06 06:29:01 and read 26043 times.

Wow, this really bring life back into the CRJ line which we had been worriedly observing lately. With a backlog of only 67 aircraft in BBD's september report, this potentially doubles that amount if the options are excercised.

DL's scope clause still says absolutely no regional flying above 76 seats, right? That would explain the lack of CRK's.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Triple7LR
Posted 2012-12-06 06:40:42 and read 25892 times.

I was hoping they went w/ the E175's they're more comfortable and you don't have to worry about pink tagging your bag. Oh well.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-12-06 06:42:53 and read 25864 times.

Pretty much an expected development in the narrowbody / regional fleet transition strategy.

After the pilot contract was agreed-up, it stated how many additional 2-class RJs DL could obtain.

In order to help remove CRJ-200s from the fleet, it was expected that DL would almost have to make a deal with Bombardier to help offload the aircraft early.

I would guess these will be to be the CRJs that will be coming out of the Skywest fleet as a part of that previously announced deal.

That does not necessarily mean:
1) That Skywest (or any regional operator) will be specifically getting these aircraft
2) That DL wouldn't reallocate other CRJ-200s to other operators and hubs and routes (particularly the 9E CRJs that in all cases are staying around for several more years)

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-12-06 06:44:18 and read 25824 times.

Quoting Triple7LR (Reply 4):
I was hoping they went w/ the E175's they're more comfortable and you don't have to worry about pink tagging your bag. Oh well.

Doesn't mean that may not get more in the future, until they hit their 76-seat/2-class RJ scope limit.

I really think they had to go BBD here in order to offload CRJ-200s, both sides had to play "lets make a deal"

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: ScottB
Posted 2012-12-06 07:02:32 and read 25634 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
2) That DL wouldn't reallocate other CRJ-200s to other operators and hubs and routes (particularly the 9E CRJs that in all cases are staying around for several more years)

Is it certain the 9E CR2's will stay around? They have 141 leased CR2's which is larger than the public goal of approximately 125 once the 717's and new 50+-seat RJ's are all in DL colors. A bankruptcy restructuring is the perfect opportunity to shed leases on CR2's which no longer fit into the fleet plan.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: ItalianFlyer
Posted 2012-12-06 07:12:39 and read 25515 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 6):
I really think they had to go BBD here in order to offload CRJ-200s, both sides had to play "lets make a deal"

I sense that you are right...they have allot of beer cans on their hands and went back to the manufacturer to offload them in a financially viable manner. IF this is the case (and Im willing to bet it is), I wonder if this would be the template for other regionals to negotiate with EMBRAER upgrading their E135/45s.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: lostsound
Posted 2012-12-06 07:26:24 and read 25389 times.

Would have been cool to see them opt for the CRJ-1000.

Why are they ordering so many CRJ-900s, when they are about to receive 88 717s?

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: DeltaMD90
Posted 2012-12-06 07:34:31 and read 25292 times.

Quoting lostsound (Reply 9):
Would have been cool to see them opt for the CRJ-1000.

Too many seats for the regional carriers

Quoting lostsound (Reply 9):
Why are they ordering so many CRJ-900s, when they are about to receive 88 717s?

These are mostly replacing the CRJ-200s while the 717s are replacing the DC-9s and probably some of the MD-88s (eventually.) Somewhat close in seats, but worlds away (mainline vs regional, 2 different markets)

Quoting ScottB (Reply 11):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
the 717s are replacing the DC-9s and probably some of the MD-88s (eventually.)

Probably some of the oldest A320's as well which are rapidly approaching a quarter-century in service.

Yeah, forgot about those too!

[Edited 2012-12-06 07:42:21]

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: ScottB
Posted 2012-12-06 07:39:25 and read 25229 times.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
the 717s are replacing the DC-9s and probably some of the MD-88s (eventually.)

Probably some of the oldest A320's as well which are rapidly approaching a quarter-century in service.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: CRJ900
Posted 2012-12-06 07:43:40 and read 25185 times.

Cool  Well done BBD, nice to hear the CRJ900 soldiers on.

Quoting queb (Reply 1):
12 seats in Delta's popular Economy Comfort

Do the existing CRJ900s have Economy Comfort seats or is this a new feature if the new CR9s are to have Zodiac SlimPlus seats?

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: GSPSPOT
Posted 2012-12-06 07:51:17 and read 25086 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
It'll be nice to see more CR9s presumeably helping to replace the 50-seaters.

Hear, hear! So, what are the differences between the CR9s currently in the fleet and the "NextGen" birds?

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: xdlx
Posted 2012-12-06 07:54:37 and read 25006 times.

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 13):

They are newer.....!

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Giancavia
Posted 2012-12-06 07:55:49 and read 25006 times.

Good, at least there will be something flying around that i'snt boring looking like all the Boeing/Airbus zzzz.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: GSPSPOT
Posted 2012-12-06 07:59:06 and read 24922 times.

Quoting xdlx (Reply 14):
They are newer.....!

Cute!   But seriously, are there any differences that a frequent flyer or airline nerd would notice?

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-12-06 08:00:02 and read 24876 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 7):
Is it certain the 9E CR2's will stay around? They have 141 leased CR2's which is larger than the public goal of approximately 125 once the 717's and new 50+-seat RJ's are all in DL colors. A bankruptcy restructuring is the perfect opportunity to shed leases on CR2's which no longer fit into the fleet plan.

The actual CRJ-200s currently flown by 9E will likely be the remaining CRJs that are not being removed in the next few years. These are the youngest CRJ-200s in the fleet and were the ones originally ordered by NW. DL is the lease-holder on these aircraft, not 9E. They were all delivered between 1999-2005 so they do not yet have the higher maintenance costs and checks that are required of older aircraft.

DL can't shed the leases on these aircraft since 9E's bankruptcy does not impact DL's obligation for these aircraft. It does give DL (and 9E) the opportunity to move them to another regional operation. These aircraft will still be in the DL Connection fleet, but it depends how DL wants to play the musical chairs game with the operators.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
These are mostly replacing the CRJ-200s while the 717s are replacing the DC-9s and probably some of the MD-88s (eventually.) Somewhat close in seats, but worlds away (mainline vs regional, 2 different markets)

717, CRJ-900, and the additional 40 2-class RJs are replacing CRJ-200 and DC-9 capacity.

Not intended to be an MD-88 replacement.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 11):
Probably some of the oldest A320's as well which are rapidly approaching a quarter-century in service.

737-900ER capacity is intended to replace oldest A320, oldest 757, and 763 domestic capacity

There is no such thing as a 1 for 1 replacement on aircraft, its about replacement capacity with the most appropriate mix of frames.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: KingAir200
Posted 2012-12-06 08:08:17 and read 24707 times.

Well let's hope GoJet doesn't get any.

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 16):
Cute!   But seriously, are there any differences that a frequent flyer or airline nerd would notice?

Bigger bins and windows and LED interior lighting. Currently all of the CR9s in the DLC fleet are NextGens with the exception of SkyWest's older deliveries and a few of the Comair originals now with ExpressJet and SkyWest.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: B727FA
Posted 2012-12-06 08:22:30 and read 24412 times.

Quoting Triple7LR (Reply 4):

I wish they'd gone with the 175 as well...I loath the CRJ's.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 12):

Every 2 class a/c in the Delta/DL Connection fleet have Econ Comfort and wi-fi.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: queb
Posted 2012-12-06 08:26:00 and read 24364 times.

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 18):

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 16):
Cute!   But seriously, are there any differences that a frequent flyer or airline nerd would notice?

Bigger bins and windows and LED interior lighting. Currently all of the CR9s in the DLC fleet are NextGens with the exception of SkyWest's older deliveries and a few of the Comair originals now with ExpressJet and SkyWest.
http://crjnextgen.com/en/#/crj/comfort/

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: micstatic
Posted 2012-12-06 08:27:58 and read 24311 times.

I too wish they went with the E175 or C-Series. Hate the CRJ family. While the -900 is better than the CR2's, it's still a CRJ. Too bad on this one.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: commavia
Posted 2012-12-06 08:31:56 and read 24195 times.

Makes sense for Delta - taking full advantage of the flexibility from the new pilot agreement. Delta is being smart to offload 50-seaters in an orderly, but rapid, way whenever possible. Will be interesting to see what effect, if any, Delta locking up some portion of the CRJ production line has on purchasing decisions from other potential buyers.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: laca773
Posted 2012-12-06 09:16:00 and read 23308 times.

Is there a chance DL will still by E75/E90/E95s? The Embrers are much more comfortable over the CRJ, even the CR7/CR9 NextGens models.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: GSPSPOT
Posted 2012-12-06 09:16:25 and read 23283 times.

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 18):
Bigger bins and windows and LED interior lighting.

Thanks!

The CR9s may be "just CRJs", but from a practical point of view, they're a completely different passenger experience from the CR2. Smooth and super-quiet. I actually prefer its FC cabin to most mainline jets because it's so quiet!

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: DTWPurserBoy
Posted 2012-12-06 09:17:03 and read 24306 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 11):
Probably some of the oldest A320's as well which are rapidly approaching a quarter-century in service.

Very true. Nothwest took delivery of the first A320 in 1989. A few lucky spotters got shots of it in the original Northwest Orient colors--as I recall the first two were delivered that way but were quickly repainted. Definitely a collectors item.

I remember taking to our Director of Maintenance at the time and he was not particularly impressed with the aircraft (a good Boeing man, through and through). He called the 320 a "Twenty year throw away airplane."

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-12-06 09:30:37 and read 24002 times.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 23):
Is there a chance DL will still by E75/E90/E95s? The Embrers are much more comfortable over the CRJ, even the CR7/CR9 NextGens models.

It is possible they could get more E-175, however probably not likely at this point. Heres my thinking why:

1) The order + options on CRJ-900's almost to the maximum number of additional 76 seat aircraft allowed under the scope provision in the pilot contract

2) DL needs to deal with BBD in order off-load the CRJ-200 aircraft. This become a negotiating piece for both sides

3) The capacity and route profiles for this replacement capacity generally favor the CRJ-900 vs E-175. DL is going to be backfilling routes operated by 50 seaters with CR7 & CR9 equipment. Routes flown by CR7 will get bumped up to CR9. Short stage length flights don't really need the E175. Plus DL will now have the 717 at their disposal.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-12-06 09:31:42 and read 24490 times.

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 24):

I agree! I fly US Airways quite frequently and try to upgrade to F on the CRJs before the mainline mainly because I like having the aisle and window seat in one! No worrying about obnoxious seatmates (And I've had a few obnoxious ones!   )

Like stated before, the biggest instantly noticable difference between the NextGens and the non-NGs are the LED lighting. The bigger bins are nice too, but the LED lighting, to me, make it feel a bit more airy and roomy in the plane.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: queb
Posted 2012-12-06 09:34:28 and read 24247 times.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 23):

Don't forget the config, the CR9 is a 88 pax RJ, at 76 it will be very comfortable.

[Edited 2012-12-06 09:36:08]

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: apodino
Posted 2012-12-06 09:43:13 and read 24067 times.

Could this be Air Wisconsin's opportunity to land something beyond 2015? Air Wisconsin has not bid on additional flying in a while since they did not want to acquire the aircraft needed to operate the service. If Delta is paying for the aircraft, then Air Wisconsin could actually make a bid to fly the aircraft without the need to take on risk in acquiring the aircraft to fly the aircraft. Air Wisconsin is already a CRJ operator so it would be very easy for them to train crews on the airplane.

I am trying to see who else would be viable. Delta already has a lot of eggs in the Skywest Inc. basket, as well as with Trans States holdings. Republic is an Embraer operator. Pinnacle would be the only other option, and the bankruptcy may be puting Delta on a wait and see approach before they issue an RFP.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2012-12-06 09:45:35 and read 23973 times.

These will be good in the interim, but I'm not sure what DL will be able to do with them once SkyWest, Inc. starts getting their MRJs---and whatever else might eventually be ordered---especially since SkyWest historically has wanted as much control over their fleet as possible.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: N757ST
Posted 2012-12-06 09:49:52 and read 23851 times.

Quoting apodino (Reply 29):
Could this be Air Wisconsin's opportunity to land something beyond 2015? Air Wisconsin has not bid on additional flying in a while since they did not want to acquire the aircraft needed to operate the service. If Delta is paying for the aircraft, then Air Wisconsin could actually make a bid to fly the aircraft without the need to take on risk in acquiring the aircraft to fly the aircraft. Air Wisconsin is already a CRJ operator so it would be very easy for them to train crews on the airplane.

I am trying to see who else would be viable. Delta already has a lot of eggs in the Skywest Inc. basket, as well as with Trans States holdings. Republic is an Embraer operator. Pinnacle would be the only other option, and the bankruptcy may be puting Delta on a wait and see approach before they issue an RFP.

These aircraft will be used to replace existing DCI aircraft 2 for 1 or will be flown by the lowest cost unit airline. Don't kid yourself man, AWAC has a limited life span after 2015... the writing is most certainly on the wall after how their TERRIBLE managers have run that company. I spent my time at AWAC, and I got out as soon as humanly possible.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: KingAir200
Posted 2012-12-06 09:50:28 and read 23833 times.

Quoting apodino (Reply 29):
Pinnacle would be the only other option, and the bankruptcy may be puting Delta on a wait and see approach before they issue an RFP.

9E was told nothing new until they get their house in order. They're starting to turn a bit of a corner, it seems, but there's still work to be done.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: queb
Posted 2012-12-06 09:55:12 and read 23746 times.

Good day for BBD and the CRJs:

Undisclosed Customer in China Orders Seven Bombardier CRJ700 NextGen Aircraft

http://www.bombardier.com/wps/portal...edia-centre?docID=0901260d8027b5a1

This order is for a special mission variant.



[Edited 2012-12-06 10:01:52]

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: whittih12
Posted 2012-12-06 10:15:16 and read 23393 times.

The "NextGen" CRJ900sa have redesigned interiors with LED lighting (as do the recognition lights), and lower operating and maintenance costs.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2012-12-06 10:19:03 and read 23252 times.

The 900NextGens aren't too bad, but I agree with the above posters that also favor the E-Jets.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2012-12-06 10:27:14 and read 23178 times.

Looks like the PMDL influence has won over the PMNW influence again, just as it did with the 739ER order. I have heard that NW had a preference for the E-175 over the CR9 due to its longer range and greater cargo capacity.

[Edited 2012-12-06 10:27:56]

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-12-06 10:29:34 and read 23196 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 36):
Looks like the PMDL influence has won over the PMNW influence again, just as it did with the 739ER order. I have heard that NW had a preference for the E-175 over the CR9.

There is absolutely zero truth to that statement.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Prost
Posted 2012-12-06 10:50:09 and read 22646 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 36):
Looks like the PMDL influence has won over the PMNW influence again, just as it did with the 739ER order. I have heard that NW had a preference for the E-175 over the CR9 due to its longer range and greater cargo capacity.

IF that statement is true, NW was also a far different airline than DL, so it stands to reason that their re-fleeting needs would be different.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: MSPNWA
Posted 2012-12-06 10:58:45 and read 22533 times.

Expected, but still disappointing that DL went with the CR9. They're definitely obsolete as far as passenger comfort.

Not good news for Compass either.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-12-06 11:07:01 and read 22370 times.

Quoting Prost (Reply 39):
IF that statement is true, NW was also a far different airline than DL, so it stands to reason that their re-fleeting needs would be different.

The statement was completely false on all levels.

PMDL had no favoritism to the CR9
-Rremember that DL go their first E-jets years before NW)

PMNW had no favoritism to the E175 (N
-NW needed the range of the E175 from MSP
-NW converted a cancelled order for additional CRJ-200s to CRJ-900s
-NW needed both manufacturers in order to get the 72 aircraft in a short time period, as neither could likely meet the delivery schedule independently

PMNW & PMDL ARE GONE. Neither exist, it is now just DL.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 40):
Expected, but still disappointing that DL went with the CR9. They're definitely obsolete as far as passenger comfort.

Not good news for Compass either.

Now we are complaining about replacing CRJ-200s with CRJ-900s? People will alway complain.

DL does not need an E-175 on every 2-class RJ route. They do not need the range, they do not need the cargo, they do not need the expense.

Routes like MSP-GRB do not need an E-175, the CRJ-900 is a perfectly appropriate aircraft.

This is a business-driven decision, not some favoritism or picking sides matter.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: MSPNWA
Posted 2012-12-06 11:41:31 and read 21815 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 41):
Now we are complaining about replacing CRJ-200s with CRJ-900s? People will alway complain.

No, its about potentially replacing CR2s with CR9s instead of E-175s. Most customers wouldn't be complaining about the Embraers, you can guarantee yourself that.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 41):
DL does not need an E-175 on every 2-class RJ route.

Customers don't need to care about what the company wants.

And besides, DL will now have many, many more two-class CRJs at their disposal than two-class EMBs. DL could use the E-175 on more routes than they can use them on now.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 41):

This is a business-driven decision

Of course it is. But that doesn't mean the customer has to like it. Most that know the difference in regional jets will not.

If Delta is so naive to think that company decisions do not involve the customer and the associated feedback, they've failed at the basics of management. So, they have the whole scenario and have made their decision. Now the customer's response to it comes.

[Edited 2012-12-06 11:42:26]

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: rikkus67
Posted 2012-12-06 11:49:14 and read 21753 times.

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 16):
But seriously, are there any differences that a frequent flyer or airline nerd would notice?

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Stefan Sonnenberg



When viewed in the large photo, you can clearly see the difference between the original window size in the Emergency Exits, and the larger NextGen window size in the remainder of the fuselage...

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: mayor
Posted 2012-12-06 12:00:43 and read 21455 times.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 42):
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 41):DL does not need an E-175 on every 2-class RJ route.

Customers don't need to care about what the company wants.

Well, customers would probably prefer an A380, but that's not feasible, is it? There has to be a balance between what the customer "wants" and what the company "needs". Sometimes the customer just can't get everything they want because of what the company "needs". Part of why this business decision was made the way it was is because BBD is helping DL get rid of about 60, CRJ-200s. I doubt if Embraer was willing to do that.

[Edited 2012-12-06 12:03:39]

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: XFSUgimpLB41X
Posted 2012-12-06 12:01:28 and read 21455 times.

This is expected as DL was looking for lease forgiveness for the 50 seaters.

After delivery of these aircraft, the maximum amount of 50 seaters allowed flying for DCI will be 125.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Kcrwflyer
Posted 2012-12-06 12:04:23 and read 21409 times.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 40):
Expected, but still disappointing that DL went with the CR9. They're definitely obsolete as far as passenger comfort.

Which city that primarily sees CR2 won't be happy to see a CR9? Nobody in CRW or TRI or ROA are going to see a CR9 at the gate and go, Damn! I was wanting an E170. They'll be happy just to see a jet. I've flown CR2-9 and E170. The 170 is the most comfortable aircraft I've ever flown domestically. That said, the CR9 is still worlds ahead of the CR2.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 41):
DL does not need an E-175 on every 2-class RJ route. They do not need the range, they do not need the cargo, they do not need the expense.

Tell me this.. can the 175 haul human remains?

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-12-06 12:05:11 and read 21436 times.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 42):
No, its about potentially replacing CR2s with CR9s instead of E-175s. Most customers wouldn't be complaining about the Embraers, you can guarantee yourself that.

I'd like to know how many customers are complaining about CRJ-900s versus E-175s. Enough to sway the company's decision?

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 42):
If Delta is so naive to think that company decisions do not involve the customer and the associated feedback, they've failed at the basics of management. So, they have the whole scenario and have made their decision. Now the customer's response to it comes.

Customers have said they want less 50 seat RJs and DL is responding. Do we know the price difference and operating cost difference between CR9 and E175? Do we know if DL would've been able to off-load CRJ-200s without a CRJ-900 order?

I understand you like to be critical of everything that is DL and everything that is perceived to be different than how NW did things, or that are perceived to screw MSP.

There are tradeoffs in every scenario, but in the end the CRJ-900s are the next best alternative that works for all parties involved.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: lostsound
Posted 2012-12-06 12:09:38 and read 21365 times.

Yes, I will agree the Ejets are tad more comfortable. However it's not like the CRJ-900 is uncomfortable.
I've been on Air Canada's CRJ-705s (Which is really a 900 with less seats) and there is not a single issue my 6'3 self had during that flight. A very wonderful aircraft indeed.

Congrats to both companies.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: queb
Posted 2012-12-06 12:28:36 and read 21062 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 46):
Do we know the price difference and operating cost difference between CR9 and E175?

BBD said that CR9 has an operating cost lower than 5% on a 500 nm flight.

http://crjnextgen.com/en/#/crj/econo...hoperatingcosts/cashcrj900nextgen/

Quoting lostsound (Reply 47):
I've been on Air Canada's CRJ-705s (Which is really a 900 with less seats) and there is not a single issue my 6'3 self had during that flight. A very wonderful aircraft indeed.

In addition, Air Canada's CRJ705s are not NextGen.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: jporterfi
Posted 2012-12-06 12:31:00 and read 21013 times.

Is there any chance that DL could order the CS100 in the future, or does this CR9 order (as well as the scope clauses) pretty much rule that out? I don't suppose that the scope clauses could/will be renegotiated to include CSeries aircraft?

Quoting r2rho (Reply 3):
CRK's

You are referring to CRJ1000s, correct?

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 30):

I think both the CR9s and the MRJs will be used to replace the 200+ CR2s that are leaving the fleet.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: MSPNWA
Posted 2012-12-06 12:55:40 and read 20613 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 46):

I'd like to know how many customers are complaining about CRJ-900s versus E-175s. Enough to sway the company's decision?

Customers only have themselves to blame for allowing the airlines to fly them in cattle cars. Most have no clue about the aircraft they fly in. So the airlines can get away with virtually every cost-saving decision regarding the onboard product. Those that do have a clue though usually prefer the E-jet. I know I avoid CRJs, including CR9s, if at all possible. I'll gladly accept an E-170 series however. It's too bad that people with knowledge are in the minority and don't sway the demand enough to greatly affect a company's decision. So the beat goes on.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 46):
Customers have said they want less 50 seat RJs and DL is responding.

Hold the phone!! Customers have hated CR2s for years and years. Delta is only shedding CR2s because it's economically viable for them to do so. It's one of the few cases where a airline's economic desire matches the customer's desire (assuming they don't lose service in the process).

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 46):
Do we know if DL would've been able to off-load CRJ-200s without a CRJ-900 order?

Probably not to the same scale. So that's part of why this decision is "expected, but still disappointing".

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 46):
I understand you like to be critical of everything that is DL and everything that is perceived to be different than how NW did things, or that are perceived to screw MSP.

And I understand you like to be positive of everything that is DL and . . .

Is there a point to that? No. Debate the post, not the poster. You lose credibility when you step outside that boundary.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: SEA
Posted 2012-12-06 13:14:11 and read 20290 times.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 39):

Expected, but still disappointing that DL went with the CR9. They're definitely obsolete as far as passenger comfort.

Obsolete? How so? The NextGen cabin is quite modern and comfortable. Sure, the bins aren't as "large" as an E170, but the cabin is certainly no torture chamber. The bright lighting is nice, and it's very, very quiet even in the back.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2012-12-06 13:14:20 and read 20043 times.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 50):
It's too bad that people with knowledge are in the minority and don't sway the demand enough to greatly affect a company's decision.

Don't underestimate people's ability to choose their priorities (even as they whine and moan while they do it).

For the same price, would I rather ride on a E70 than a CR9? Of course.

If using the CR9 gets me a few bucks off, though, I'll take the CR9. On a one-hour flight the difference just doesn't matter enough. And whether or not they think of it in those terms, most passengers think like me. Airlines respond to that.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-12-06 13:28:16 and read 19783 times.

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 45):
Tell me this.. can the 175 haul human remains?

I am not sure, but the ability to handle human remains is also dependent on the station and not just aircraft. The stations need to have the special loading equipment, carts, and storage areas/freezers to handle human remains.

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 49):
Is there any chance that DL could order the CS100 in the future, or does this CR9 order (as well as the scope clauses) pretty much rule that out? I don't suppose that the scope clauses could/will be renegotiated to include CSeries aircraft?

Scope was just revisited earlier this year in the last pilot contract and not going to change anytime soon. Its pretty clear they are going to be sure anything larger than 76 seats gets flown at mainline.

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 49):
I think both the CR9s and the MRJs will be used to replace the 200 CR2s that are leaving the fleet.

The MRJ timing does not align with the timing of the CRJ reduction. Additionally there are scope issues with the MRJ that make it far from a forgone conclusion at this time.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 50):
Customers only have themselves to blame for allowing the airlines to fly them in cattle cars. Most have no clue about the aircraft they fly in.

That is a true statement.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 50):
And I understand you like to be positive of everything that is DL and . . .

Is there a point to that? No. Debate the post, not the poster. You lose credibility when you step outside that boundary.

I'll be critical of DL when it doesn't seem to make sense.

Ok, I should not debate the poster as you are entitled to your opinion.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: FL787
Posted 2012-12-06 13:41:43 and read 19586 times.

Assuming DL exercises their options, we're probably looking at the following DL Connection fleet in 2015/2016:

52 E75
20 E70
171 CR9
82 CR7
125 CR2

325 2-class RJs
125 50 seaters

That maxes out the pilots scope. Of course they'll be negotiating a new contract by the time DL gets to this mix of RJs.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-12-06 14:03:28 and read 19298 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 52):
Don't underestimate people's ability to choose their priorities (even as they whine and moan while they do it).

For the same price, would I rather ride on a E70 than a CR9? Of course.

If using the CR9 gets me a few bucks off, though, I'll take the CR9. On a one-hour flight the difference just doesn't matter enough. And whether or not they think of it in those terms, most passengers think like me. Airlines respond to that.

Exactly.

I too prefer an E175 over a CRJ-900. Everyone is going to have a slight preference. That being said, the CRJ-900 is fine.

The preference though is a much lower priority than schedule, price, loyalty program to the majority of passengers.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: bjorn14
Posted 2012-12-06 14:12:38 and read 19140 times.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 19):
I wish they'd gone with the 175 as well...I loath the CRJ's
Quoting queb (Reply 20):
I too wish they went with the E175

  

[quote=laca773,reply=23]Is there a chance DL will still by E75/E90/E95s? The Embrers are much more comfortable over the CRJ[/quote

I hope so but don't think so.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2012-12-06 14:14:16 and read 19092 times.

Quoting queb (Thread starter):
The new CRJ900 NextGen regional jets will be configured with 76 seats in a two-class cabin and will be operated by Delta Connection carriers to be determined by Delta Air Lines.

I bet if 9E gets some of them (and I bet they will), FWA might be seeing a little more diversity at the 9E MX base. Of course, we'll probably still see the CR2 to DTW no matter, but I think FWA-MSP could be upgauged to a CR9, as could FWA-ATL. Both of those popular routes are between 450 and 750 miles, which is where DL says that the CR2 is unprofitable.

If 9E gets some of the CR9s for ATL again, it will almost definitely be 9E on FWA-ATL, and because 9E operates 140 CR2s, I could see them returning a few to Delta and Bombardier in exchange for some CR9s. Still, I see these planes split four ways: G7, 9E, OO, and EV, with G7 and 9E getting the bulk of the CR9s and EV/OO getting the fewest (as mentioned, SkyWest likes buying their own planes). CP and S5/RP, both E-Jet operators, in all likelihood won't take part.

Quoting FL787 (Reply 54):
52 E75
20 E70
171 CR9
82 CR7
125 CR2

325 2-class RJs
125 50 seaters

That maxes out the pilots scope.

And let's not forget about the 88 717s flown by DL mainline and not bound by scope that will also be replacing the 50-seaters en masse. So that's 88 regional-type mainline aircraft, 325 70-76 seaters, and 125 50-seaters, for a total of 563 regional partner-operated and mainline-operated regional-type aircraft by the end of 2015. Pretty substantial if you ask me.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: RamblinMan
Posted 2012-12-06 14:20:21 and read 19045 times.

Damn guys...yeah, EJets are awesome. But we're talking about replacing CR2s for crying out loud! Basically anything is an improvement, take what you can get!

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: crj200faguy
Posted 2012-12-06 14:26:27 and read 18931 times.

There is no way G7 gets any of these planes. They are going to be used purely for swapping out 200s.


Everyone in little towns thinks this means CR9s are going to be providing the same level of service to their towns. Half as many airplanes means reduction in service or elimination of some cities. IMHO You might be begging for the CRJ200s just so you can catch a flight out of some of these towns.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: XFSUgimpLB41X
Posted 2012-12-06 14:48:14 and read 18658 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 57):
I bet if 9E gets some of them (and I bet they will), FWA might be seeing a little more diversity at the 9E MX base. Of course, we'll probably still see the CR2 to DTW no matter, but I think FWA-MSP could be upgauged to a CR9, as could FWA-ATL. Both of those popular routes are between 450 and 750 miles, which is where DL says that the CR2 is unprofitable.

If 9E gets some of the CR9s for ATL again, it will almost definitely be 9E on FWA-ATL, and because 9E operates 140 CR2s, I could see them returning a few to Delta and Bombardier in exchange for some CR9s. Still, I see these planes split four ways: G7, 9E, OO, and EV, with G7 and 9E getting the bulk of the CR9s and EV/OO getting the fewest (as mentioned, SkyWest likes buying their own planes). CP and S5/RP, both E-Jet operators, in all likelihood won't take part.

I'll place my bet on 9E not existing in another year and a half. 9E has 140 CRJ-200s.... and only 125 will be left at the end of all this spread between all the DCI carriers.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: FlyPNS1
Posted 2012-12-06 14:50:39 and read 18655 times.

Quoting lostsound (Reply 47):
However it's not like the CRJ-900 is uncomfortable.

My big problem with the CRJ900 (and all CRJ family) is the overhead bins. They are too small. This means every rollaboard gets gate checked. On some flights, this will mean gate checking 60+ bags...not pretty.

This becomes a mess when all those bags have to be picked up at the gate. I've almost missed a connecting flight (granted it was a tight connection) in CLT because I waited so long for my gate checked roll-aboard to be delivered from the plane.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: delimit
Posted 2012-12-06 15:06:45 and read 18385 times.

Nice for BBD but not the Bombardier order I wanted to see DL place!

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: panamair
Posted 2012-12-06 15:07:01 and read 18438 times.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 61):
My big problem with the CRJ900 (and all CRJ family) is the overhead bins. They are too small. This means every rollaboard gets gate checked.

Agree 100%...but looks like the NextGens may actually have larger overhead bins that can accomodate some rollaboards:
http://crjnextgen.com/en/#/crj/comfort/largeroverheadbins/

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2012-12-06 15:19:41 and read 18214 times.

Quoting crj200faguy (Reply 59):
Everyone in little towns thinks this means CR9s are going to be providing the same level of service to their towns. Half as many airplanes means reduction in service or elimination of some cities. IMHO You might be begging for the CRJ200s just so you can catch a flight out of some of these towns.

Let's use my hometown airport, FWA, for an example:

DL weekday service at FWA today, all CR2:
ATL 3x daily/150 seats each way
DTW 4-5x daily depending on season/200-250 seats each way
MSP 1-2x daily/50-100 seats each way
Total daily seats: 400-500 each way on 8-10 daily flights

DL service at FWA with partial replacement of CR2s by CR9s:
ATL 2x daily/152 seats each way (2 CR9s replace 3 CR2s)
DTW 4x daily: 226 seats each way (3 CR2s due to 9E MX base, mixed in with 1 CR9 for peak volumes)
MSP 1x daily: 76 seats each way (likely 9E for MX at FWA)
Total daily seats: 454 each way (capacity-neutral with current average) on 7 daily flights

DL service at FWA with FULL replacement of CR2s by CR9s:
ATL 2x daily/152 seats each way (2 CR9s replace 3 CR2s)
DTW 3x daily: 228 seats each way
MSP 1x daily: 76 seats each way
Total daily seats: 456 each way (again, capacity-neutral) on 6 daily flights

Now for the DL stations that see only 2 or 3 CR2s a day, I see your point. But for a station like FWA, fewer, bigger 76-seat flights could work with proper flight timings optimized for international connections. And the greater comfort of the CR9 as compared to the CR2 may be so dramatic that passengers will be even more satisfied with fewer CR9 flights as opposed to higher-frequency CR2 flights.

[Edited 2012-12-06 15:20:40]

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: bigbird
Posted 2012-12-06 15:25:06 and read 18086 times.

What is the delivery schedule for these aircraft?

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: FRNT787
Posted 2012-12-06 16:17:37 and read 17456 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 57):
I see these planes split four ways: G7, 9E, OO, and EV, with G7 and 9E getting the bulk of the CR9s and EV/OO getting the fewest (as mentioned, SkyWest likes buying their own planes). CP and S5/RP, both E-Jet operators, in all likelihood won't take part

I don't necessarily disagree with you. It should be pointed out that RAH has operated the CRJ200 for CO, and at the time at least they found a fleet of 24 to be sufficient to warrant this. Furthermore, I don't know if having the 32 strong Q400 fleet changes the equation. As for the engines, i don't believe they are all that different than those on the E-Jet. As for replacing 50-seat lift, Chautauqua still has 24 E145s with DL soon to grow to 31.

Again I don't know or even necessarily believe they will get any of these. The RAH CEO has said any deal has to make all around financial sense for the company. Does taking part in this, I have no idea. But I wouldn't count them out either.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: NWADTWE16
Posted 2012-12-06 16:41:35 and read 17163 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 36):
Looks like the PMDL influence has won over the PMNW influence again, just as it did with the 739ER order. I have heard that NW had a preference for the E-175 over the CR9 due to its longer range and greater cargo capacity.

I agree the E190 and 757/A321 would be much better than CRJ/737 all over the place...bore =(

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: KingAir200
Posted 2012-12-06 16:53:49 and read 16998 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 37):
There is absolutely zero truth to that statement.

Absolutely none. 1337 has trotted out that line time after time.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2012-12-06 17:15:03 and read 16711 times.

Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 66):
It should be pointed out that RAH has operated the CRJ200 for CO, and at the time at least they found a fleet of 24 to be sufficient to warrant this.

RAH operated the CR2 for CO for 2 reasons:
1) Used ERJs were scarce
2) There was a glut of used CR2s from the collapse of DH (which is where many of the RP/CO CR2s came from)

Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 66):
As for the engines, i don't believe they are all that different than those on the E-Jet.

Correct. Both are GE CF34-8x engines (-8C for the CR9, -8E for the E170/175).

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2012-12-06 18:08:28 and read 16149 times.

The CRJ-200 can still be a money maker if it can fill most of its 50 seats and they are mostly paid for which should somewhat offset the increasing MX costs.

That being said, I'm one of those that really isn't a fan, mostly because of having to do the Quasimodo to see the horizon out of the window.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-12-06 20:45:13 and read 14808 times.

Quoting FL787 (Reply 54):

Throughout the whole 50-seater ordeal, I've had one question on my mind? What is to happen with the E-145s? All the talk seems to be about CR2s, and as somebody who thinks the E-145s are some of the best looking planes out there, am indeed worried about them.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: XFSUgimpLB41X
Posted 2012-12-06 20:51:20 and read 14758 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 71):
Throughout the whole 50-seater ordeal, I've had one question on my mind? What is to happen with the E-145s? All the talk seems to be about CR2s, and as somebody who thinks the E-145s are some of the best looking planes out there, am indeed worried about them.

One way or the other, there will only be 125 50-seaters left in 2015.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-06 20:58:52 and read 14692 times.

Quoting lostsound (Reply 47):
I've been on Air Canada's CRJ-705s (Which is really a 900 with less seats) and there is not a single issue my 6'3 self had during that flight. A very wonderful aircraft indeed.

The Jazz CRJ-705s have 34 inch pitch in Y class. That's very rare on any aircraft these days.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: burnsie28
Posted 2012-12-06 21:06:24 and read 14630 times.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
These are mostly replacing the CRJ-200s while the 717s are replacing the DC-9s and probably some of the MD-88s (eventually.) Somewhat close in seats, but worlds away (mainline vs regional, 2 different markets)

Well the 717 to A320/M88 is a 40 seat difference.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: flightsimer
Posted 2012-12-06 21:10:55 and read 14619 times.

Will these actually be -900's legally or will they be -705's?

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2012-12-06 21:14:12 and read 14598 times.



Quoting flightsimer (Reply 75):
Will these actually be -900's legally or will they be -705's?

-900s, with seating capacity of 76 seats.

[Edited 2012-12-06 21:17:35]

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: BD338
Posted 2012-12-06 21:14:27 and read 14561 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 55):
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 52):Don't underestimate people's ability to choose their priorities (even as they whine and moan while they do it).For the same price, would I rather ride on a E70 than a CR9? Of course.If using the CR9 gets me a few bucks off, though, I'll take the CR9. On a one-hour flight the difference just doesn't matter enough. And whether or not they think of it in those terms, most passengers think like me. Airlines respond to that.Exactly.I too prefer an E175 over a CRJ-900. Everyone is going to have a slight preference. That being said, the CRJ-900 is fine.The preference though is a much lower priority than schedule, price, loyalty program to the majority of passengers.

to the vast majority of passengers the aircraft type doesn't even come into the equation. It's all about the price.

Personally I find the CR7/9 a very pleasant aircraft for a regional flight of up to 2 hours or so. Very quiet 'up-front'. I'd give the e-jet a hair of an advantage in Y over the CR7/9 but it wouldn't sway me one way or the other. What does sway me is a "regional" jet, CR7/9 included, on 3-4 hour flights. Then I'll fly a different airline if the choice is 3 hours+ in a CR7 or 3 hours in a 737. As for the CR2, they are just about viable for an hour before I need to get off one of those flying sardine cans.

As I fly PHX-SLC on DL sometimes, I'm sure I'll be picking up one of these new birds sometime in the future!

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: NWADTWE16
Posted 2012-12-06 21:22:30 and read 14502 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 73):
The Jazz CRJ-705s have 34 inch pitch in Y class. That's very rare on any aircraft these days.

This is one of many reasons i hope B6 keeps spreading..such a comfy ride and entertaining

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: FL787
Posted 2012-12-06 22:17:19 and read 14216 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 71):
Throughout the whole 50-seater ordeal, I've had one question on my mind? What is to happen with the E-145s? All the talk seems to be about CR2s, and as somebody who thinks the E-145s are some of the best looking planes out there, am indeed worried about them.

RP's contract with DL is up in May 2016 as of a couple months ago. However it wouldn't surprise me if that date got moved earlier when DL signed up for 7 more ERJs for a year and also some ERDs.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: TrijetsRMissed
Posted 2012-12-06 22:53:35 and read 14046 times.

Congrats to Bombardier. This is a much needed order to boost the catalog. But let's be real; BBD were watching the DL TA vote as closely as WN...

As for all the CR9 disappointment... melodramatic much? I guess a.net T-tail hate spans beyond McDonnell Douglas types..   

Now seriously, I understand a preference for the E175, but the CR9 makes much more business sense. Frankly, I would be scratching my head if DL ordered 70 E175s today instead... For an airline which thought outside of the box with the MD-90 & 717, (brilliant moves), I don't think they were going to miss the boat on the obvious...

At the end of the day, it's still DCI and not mainline. And we're talking mostly 1-2 hr flights - very few passengers are going to care or notice.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 73):
Quoting lostsound (Reply 47):
I've been on Air Canada's CRJ-705s (Which is really a 900 with less seats) and there is not a single issue my 6'3 self had during that flight. A very wonderful aircraft indeed.

The Jazz CRJ-705s have 34 inch pitch in Y class. That's very rare on any aircraft these days.

Agreed! ORD-YUL-ORD was the best DCI experience I've had.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 25):

I remember taking to our Director of Maintenance at the time and he was not particularly impressed with the aircraft (a good Boeing man, through and through). He called the 320 a "Twenty year throw away airplane."

Funny thing is, (with respect to the A320), he's proven to be right and many of those first frames off the line from 1988-90 were parked a few years ago. But he was probably spoiled with 25 year old D93s which still had another 20 years in them...  
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 17):

717, CRJ-900, and the additional 40 2-class RJs are replacing CRJ-200 and DC-9 capacity.

Not intended to be an MD-88 replacement.

        

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2012-12-06 23:25:44 and read 13876 times.

just to think....this could have not happened....but like normal, DALPA caves on scope again. Way to go.  
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 36):

Looks like the PMDL influence has won over the PMNW influence again, just as it did with the 739ER order. I have heard that NW had a preference for the E-175 over the CR9 due to its longer range and greater cargo capacity.

what are you talking about? NWA had the same amount of CR9s as they did E75s. IMHO your just trying to start stuff.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 39):
Not good news for Compass either.

but not bad news. Just means stagnation....welcome to the party. (at least they aren't getting smaller like mainline has been)

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 50):
So the airlines can get away with virtually every cost-saving decision regarding the onboard product

uhhh....maybe if the PAX would pay the price it takes to fly them this wouldn't have happened.

I was talking to someone in the upper level of TechOps the other day....this man was ready to do back flips because PAXs were covering 85% of fuel cost. Do you know who covers the rest? thats right, maybe instead of complaining about every little thing Delta does, you should spend that time thanking the employees that lost pay, lost retirement, lost jobs and lowered their QOL so they could pay for part of your ticket price. So yes, Delta charges fees and doesn't have the best product....but your getting more than what you paid for.  

Sorry to rant on, but b**ching about how bad this is or that is.....is REALLLLLY starting to get old. (10x when I could have a much better life if ticket prices were much higher)

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: XFSUgimpLB41X
Posted 2012-12-06 23:40:04 and read 13801 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 81):
just to think....this could have not happened....but like normal, DALPA caves on scope again. Way to go.  

So, reducing several hundred jets from DCI is caving on scope? Please tell me more!

(for the record, I voted no)

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2012-12-07 00:51:08 and read 13588 times.

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 82):

wow you guys got Delta to park airplanes they were going to park anyways...good job.  
At least DALPA got better control over the AF/KL JV....oh wait. The AS codeshare...no no thats not it. Working less? nope not that one. Got more pay though. I guess you got that going for you.        (ok I'm some what joking here so lets not all fly off the deep end)

Of course, more CF34s are good for TechOps, so thanks for that.  
Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 82):
(for the record, I voted no)

good. Hopefully part of the reason was section 1.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: NWAESC
Posted 2012-12-07 04:14:17 and read 12887 times.

Quoting Triple7LR (Reply 4):
I was hoping they went w/ the E175's they're more comfortable and you don't have to worry about pink tagging your bag. Oh well.

^This^

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 18):
Well let's hope GoJet doesn't get any.

No kidding! Lol.

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 18):
Bigger bins and windows and LED interior lighting. Currently all of the CR9s in the DLC fleet are NextGens with the exception of SkyWest's older deliveries and a few of the Comair originals now with ExpressJet and SkyWest.

Interesting. Who knew?

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 36):
I have heard that NW had a preference for the E-175 over the CR9 due to its longer range and greater cargo capacity.

As other have noted, not exactly true. They *did* like the E75's increased range, and the idea that it could open up "new" (or replace) routes in the NW network that might not support M/L equipment. They sent us all a hypothetical route map showing the types of places it would/could go.

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 45):
Tell me this.. can the 175 haul human remains?

Not unless they're cremated...

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: bahadir
Posted 2012-12-07 04:22:19 and read 12832 times.

Rat race to the bottom begins.. Let's see which regional is going to get this.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: JHCRJ700
Posted 2012-12-07 05:01:33 and read 12587 times.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 19):
...I loath the CRJ's.
Quoting micstatic (Reply 21):
I too wish they went with the E175 or C-Series. Hate the CRJ family. While the -900 is better than the CR2's, it's still a CRJ. Too bad on this one.

Can someone please explain to me why the CRJ's are so hated? I've flown on them numerous times and don't understand why people hate them so much.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: threeifbyair
Posted 2012-12-07 05:17:15 and read 12501 times.

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 18):
Bigger bins and windows and LED interior lighting. Currently all of the CR9s in the DLC fleet are NextGens with the exception of SkyWest's older deliveries and a few of the Comair originals now with ExpressJet and SkyWest.
Quoting panamair (Reply 63):
Agree 100%...but looks like the NextGens may actually have larger overhead bins that can accomodate some rollaboards:

NextGen bins must not be big enough. In my experience, DL gate agents at MSP and PIT don't let pax take any standard rollaboards onto CR9s - everything is pink-tagged.

Quoting JHCRJ700 (Reply 86):
Can someone please explain to me why the CRJ's are so hated? I've flown on them numerous times and don't understand why people hate them so much.

1) I am tall. The CR9s have a ~2" lower floor than old CRJs, making it marginally better.

2) I often connect at MSP/DTW. This almost always involves a long walk when CR9s are involved. Waiting to pick up your valet-tagged rollaboard while contemplating your run from C to F at MSP is not fun.

I will say that my only experience on a ZW CRJ was actually quite comfortable.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: saab2000
Posted 2012-12-07 07:14:55 and read 12156 times.

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 87):
I will say that my only experience on a ZW CRJ was actually quite comfortable.

ZW uses thinner seats I believe. I have noticed the same thing. There's a bit more leg room and on a claustrophobic CRJ, every millimeter helps.

I find the CRJ-900s to be 'reasonable' in their comfort. Nowhere near as nice as the EMB-175 but they're also cheaper to operate from what I understand. And of course, in the case of Delta, there's training and maintenance and parts commonality for their large fleet. Makes sense for them to do this.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Mir
Posted 2012-12-07 07:35:38 and read 12073 times.

Quoting bahadir (Reply 85):
Let's see which regional is going to get this.

I'm less interested in which regional is going to get them first than in which regional is going to get them a year and a half later when DL plays its regionals off against each other.

-Mir

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: coronado
Posted 2012-12-07 07:46:00 and read 12056 times.

I got a chuckle on the following article from Bloomberg on this purchase. Not sure if anyone else noticed this.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...mbardier-in-rebuff-to-embraer.html

In this Bloomberg article discussing the firm purchase of these 40 a/c it also states:

''Delta ordered 40 CFM34-8C5 engines built by GE Aviation for the CRJ900s, parent General Electric Co. said in a statement. The engines have a list value of about $320 million. ''

   ....Separately in a fuel cost saving measure Delta announced that is newly ordered CRJ900's will be deployed with a single engine. Either that or half the fleet will be employed as Gliders.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: steeler83
Posted 2012-12-07 08:14:44 and read 11964 times.

Man, I flew on a CR2. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, but considering it replaced an A319 on my PHL-DTW segment to Seattle!! Yeah, not cool, Delta...

You know what was really funny? I get an email from Delta about a week after the a/c swap, "Delta made an aircraft switch which resulted in an overbooking." Well, what did they expect when replacing a 120-seat aircraft with a tuna can?! I had a chance to fill out a survey about that trip, and I never got around to it. Yeah, I definitely regret that...

Now, this is in regard to the E70/75 vs CRJ remarks. At 76 seats, I probably wouldn't notice any major differences. I do have this question tho. Are Delta's E75s in a two-class configuration? I have flown on an E75, but that was on US Air and had only coach class (maybe DL is different). If both are 2-class configurations, then to me there'd be no difference. If the CR9s are 2-class but the E75s are not, then I'd give the leg up on the CR9 if I was a FF member wishing for an upgrade to 1st... my 2cents...

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: mayor
Posted 2012-12-07 08:15:21 and read 11951 times.

Quoting coronado (Reply 90):
''Delta ordered 40 CFM34-8C5 engines built by GE Aviation for the CRJ900s, parent General Electric Co. said in a statement. The engines have a list value of about $320 million. ''

....Separately in a fuel cost saving measure Delta announced that is newly ordered CRJ900's will be deployed with a single engine. Either that or half the fleet will be employed as Gliders.

Aren't these spares or am I missing the sarcasm?

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Prost
Posted 2012-12-07 08:16:36 and read 11969 times.

DL thinks outside the box. Sure, they bought a refinery for lowering their fuel bills, but its truly innovative when you choose only one engine! Its like having a 6 cylinder engine instead of a V-12, now which is more environmental.

Now we'll see if the passengers start paying attention to what type of a plane they're on!

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2012-12-07 08:23:49 and read 11930 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 92):
Aren't these spares or am I missing the sarcasm?

Nope. No way you'd order 40 spares for 40 aircraft. Just an error... it should have been 80.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: pnwtraveler
Posted 2012-12-07 08:38:41 and read 11887 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 43):
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 42):
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 41):DL does not need an E-175 on every 2-class RJ route.

Customers don't need to care about what the company wants.

Well, customers would probably prefer an A380, but that's not feasible, is it? There has to be a balance between what the customer "wants" and what the company "needs". Sometimes the customer just can't get everything they want because of what the company "needs". Part of why this business decision was made the way it was is because BBD is helping DL get rid of about 60, CRJ-200s. I doubt if Embraer was willing to do that.

[Edited 2012-12-06 12:03:39]

  

The sort of thinking where a larger and less efficient aircraft is used, or an aircraft that is "too much" for a certain route leads to a big hit on the bottom line. That sort of thinking leads to the Chapter 11 cycle with the US Legacies. Passengers complain more when a carrier goes out of business and fares rise than about an aircraft at the gate. The wallet is always the great equalizer.

There are always the type of complaints where a customer prefers something else but doesn't impact their purchasing decision. IE. I prefer lobster for a cheap price but McDonalds refuses to carry it (except in the Northeast and Canadian Atlantic provinces   ). Then there is the complaint that impacts purchasing. IE. Starbucks coffee is to strong for me so I don't go there - Starbucks then introduces Blond that is milder.

When the most important factors are first looked after of price, accessibility, and long term viability of a the company, and what competition is offering, then more minor factors come into play. Only on airline forums or among the fewer very frequent flyers does an aircraft type matter at the top of some people's lists.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: XFSUgimpLB41X
Posted 2012-12-07 10:27:18 and read 11657 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 83):
wow you guys got Delta to park airplanes they were going to park anyways...good job.

A major reason I voted no. The block hour ratio concept I thought was fantastic, but the amount of CRJ900s to be traded I thought was too many. Your statement on giving back scope is uneducated at best. Piles of DCI jobs are going away as a result of this process with mainline jobs coming back.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 83):
At least DALPA got better control over the AF/KL JV....oh wait.

We got improved language on that.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 83):
The AS codeshare...no no thats not it.

Also improved the language here.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 83):
Working less? nope not that one.

Another major reason for the no vote.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 83):
Got more pay though.

Major reason for my no vote- 4, 8.5, 3, 3.... minimal vacation increase and training increase were downright insulting.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: coronado
Posted 2012-12-07 10:52:06 and read 11575 times.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 91):
I do have this question tho. Are Delta's E75s in a two-class configuration?

Hi yes 100% of all E70's and E75's that operate for Delta have business class, and Economy Comfort (in addition to regular economy). This is also the case for all CRJ700 and CRJ900 aircraft. Also 100% of of this large regional a/c feet have wi-fi.

I hear the operating costs for the Bombardier aircraft are slightly lower than for the Embraers. Probably due to the skinnier front section since the engines are basically the same. But I am sure the decision to order the Bombardiers is mostly tied up into Delta's implementation of the 50 pax CRJ drawndown to 125 a/c within 2 years. They probably were able to get a bigger carrot from BBD than from Embraer! Plus I hear Embraer has enough financial headaches with American and Eagle on how to rationalize that fleet.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: WA707atMSP
Posted 2012-12-07 10:52:38 and read 11612 times.

Quoting JHCRJ700 (Reply 86):
Quoting micstatic (Reply 21):
I too wish they went with the E175 or C-Series. Hate the CRJ family. While the -900 is better than the CR2's, it's still a CRJ. Too bad on this one.

Can someone please explain to me why the CRJ's are so hated? I've flown on them numerous times and don't understand why people hate them so much.

The CRJ-200 is hated because its bins can barely hold a backpack, its windows are not much bigger than a paperback book, and they are located at forearm height for anyone taller than 5'9" or so. I am 6'3", and I literally have to twist my body to see out of the windows. I call the aches and pains associated with trying to look out of a CRJ's window "CRJ Neck".

As for the CRJ 700 and 900, I think they are much better. Although the bins are on the small size, the windows are located higher on the fuselage so it is easier to look out of them.

Flying home from the Thanksgiving holiday, I had a choice between a middle seat at the back of a 757 nonstop DTW-MSP, or window seats on a through CRJ 900 DTW-GRB-MSP. I chose the CRJ; although my seat was a little snug, I'm sure it was more comfortable than being wedged between two passengers on the 757.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: KingAir200
Posted 2012-12-07 11:29:24 and read 11492 times.

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 84):
No kidding! Lol.

I expect that's the response from the whole system. Haha.

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 87):
NextGen bins must not be big enough.

They're definitely not E70/75 size, but they are bigger than the original design.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: queb
Posted 2012-12-07 11:58:12 and read 11490 times.

Delta CR9 config:
http://content.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/airports-and-aircraft/Aircraft/canadair-regional-jet-900/jcr:content/mainPar/image_0.img.20120515T125902552Z.png

Delta E175 config:
http://content.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/airports-and-aircraft/Aircraft/embraer-175/jcr:content/mainPar/image_0.img.20120515T130431720Z.png

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-12-07 12:25:34 and read 11406 times.

This is a good win for Bombardier.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 3):
this potentially doubles that amount if the options are excercised.

Not to see what UA and AA do with their RJs...

Quoting Triple7LR (Reply 4):
I was hoping they went w/ the E175's they're more comfortable and you don't have to worry about pink tagging your bag.

I like the E175s, but money must play a role in the decison for if:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 52):
If using the CR9 gets me a few bucks off, though, I'll take the CR9. On a one-hour flight the difference just doesn't matter enough. And whether or not they think of it in those terms, most passengers think like me. Airlines respond to that.

   These are for short flights. Its not that big of a difference to fly a CR9 or E175 for an hour.


However, I expect DL will buy more 76 seaters and the size of this order implies they already have at least a rough price agreed with Embraer.

Question for anyone:
What is exactly the differences between a CRJ-900 and CRJ-900 nextgen? I googled and it was just marketing goblygook.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: norcal
Posted 2012-12-07 12:28:28 and read 11446 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 101):

From what I've seen non-reving on CRJs it appears that the rear bathroom is different (bigger on the next gens) and that the interior is bright white lighting instead of the drab yellow.

Maybe someone who flies it or works on it can say more.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: XFSUgimpLB41X
Posted 2012-12-07 12:30:07 and read 11434 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 101):
However, I expect DL will buy more 76 seaters and the size of this order implies they already have at least a rough price agreed with Embraer.

If the options are exercised, this is the final amount of 76 seaters allowed in the DL contract. The delivery of these airplanes are tied to 1 76 seater for 1.25 717's put into service.

If all 88 717s are taken, a maximum of 70 76-seat aircraft in addition to the current 153 may be added. This is of course tied to parking 250 or so 50 seat aircraft and increasing the minimum ratio of mainline to DCI flying by over 60%.

[Edited 2012-12-07 12:38:04]

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: queb
Posted 2012-12-07 12:59:08 and read 11377 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 101):
What is exactly the differences between a CRJ-900 and CRJ-900 nextgen? I googled and it was just marketing goblygook.

- 4% lower operating cost (checks interval, engine PIP, etc)
- LED lighting
- larger windows
- larger bins

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2012-12-07 18:09:17 and read 11025 times.

I know we're talking about DELTA here, but wonder why they wouldn't have chosen the CSeries over the RJ?

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2012-12-07 18:28:19 and read 11014 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 105):

I know we're talking about DELTA here, but wonder why they wouldn't have chosen the CSeries over the RJ?

DL already has chosen to lease ex-FL 717s for the role that the CSeries could fill. The CRJ-900s, at 76 seats, fall under DL's scope clause; the 110-130 seat CSeries would fall under the 717's category (mainline).

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: XFSUgimpLB41X
Posted 2012-12-07 18:51:30 and read 10996 times.

The C-series is extremely expensive and unproven. The CRJ-900s on the other hand were probably gotten at half off plus lease forgiveness for the return of the CRJ-200s.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: fanoftristars
Posted 2012-12-08 07:45:23 and read 10499 times.

Is there really anyone who prefers the CRJ over the EMB if you've flown both (besides the bean counters at DL)?

EMB, wider seats, overhead bins that fit a real bag (no waiting for pink tagged bags) roomier lavs, more headroom, etc.

From a passenger perspective the EMB series is the CLEAR winner and its noticeable!

Now I'd Americans weren't so overweight, I really wouldn't mind the CRJ at all. If I have to fly coach with one more overweight businessman... I'm sick of leaning out in the isle to accommodate their bad choices of no exercise, dunkin donuts, steak dinners and glasses of woodford when they're on the company dime!

Sorry for the rant but I fly SLC-ORD on CRJ 900s twice a month... I'm a broken person and a little on edge!

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-12-08 08:00:20 and read 10482 times.

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 103):
If the options are exercised, this is the final amount of 76 seaters allowed in the DL contract. The delivery of these airplanes are tied to 1 76 seater for 1.25 717's put into service.

If all 88 717s are taken, a maximum of 70 76-seat aircraft in addition to the current 153 may be added.

My mistake, I thought DL had room for more 76 seaters. It looks like DL mainline will be hiring pilots.   So this could be the final 'top off' for DL.

So this begs the question, how many 70+ seaters may UA and AA add?

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 105):
but wonder why they wouldn't have chosen the CSeries over the RJ?

The C-series at 76 seats is not economical. The CRJ-900 and E-175 were really the only contenders for the timeframe of this order.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: laca773
Posted 2012-12-08 08:06:28 and read 10434 times.

Even though it doesn't matter at this point, which a/c do cabin crews prefer, the CR9 or E75? I'd guess the E75 since it has galleys in front and back as well as lavs.

Since DL will be taking the 717s, is there any chance we'll se them order E90/E95s since they do have more range for longer, thin routes where the additional capacity is needed?

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: mayor
Posted 2012-12-08 08:12:29 and read 10415 times.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 110):
I'd guess the E75 since it has galleys in front and back as well as lavs.

The seat chart in reply #100 shows lavs, front and rear in the CR9

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: KGRB
Posted 2012-12-08 08:28:20 and read 10442 times.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 61):
My big problem with the CRJ900 (and all CRJ family) is the overhead bins. They are too small. This means every rollaboard gets gate checked. On some flights, this will mean gate checking 60+ bags...not pretty.

I work on the CRJ-900 on a near daily basis and I have never had more than 40 gate checked bags. Furthermore, the 900 NextGen has larger overhead bins, which reduces the need to gate check most bags. The only ones that really need to be gate checked are bags that should've been checked in the first place. Maybe the agents in PNS are unaware of this, but they really don't need to be pink tagging that many bags.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-12-08 12:44:44 and read 10151 times.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 110):
Even though it doesn't matter at this point, which a/c do cabin crews prefer, the CR9 or E75? I'd guess the E75 since it has galleys in front and back as well as lavs.

Some of the longer E75 / CR9 flights do get a meal service in F. None of these flights have meal service in Y.

Another issue with the CR9 with the rear lav, as there is no rear galley or doorway, traffic can back-up in the aisle and causes a lot of bumping in to people. At least the E-175 has the rear galley and doorway for people stand and queue-up.
I was on a DFW-DTW CR9 flight where the front lav was in-op, requiring everyone to go the rear. This led to quite a back-up and traffic jam in the aisle.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 110):
Since DL will be taking the 717s, is there any chance we'll se them order E90/E95s since they do have more range for longer, thin routes where the additional capacity is needed?

No in the immediate future. With this order and the 717s, DL is not going to have an immediate need for any more aircraft in the 100-120 seat range for at least another 5 years.

Quoting KGRB (Reply 112):
I work on the CRJ-900 on a near daily basis and I have never had more than 40 gate checked bags.

I would venture some of the Monday morning DTW-DFW flights I've been on had close to 60 gate checks.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: irshava
Posted 2012-12-08 16:33:49 and read 9854 times.

I thought that the notion in the airline industry was to stay away from regional jets as they were unprofitable..

And why don't the smaller regional carriers purchase their own jets? Isn't it odd that Delta buys them for the companies to operate? Is there a financial incentive behind it?

-Max

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2012-12-08 17:02:43 and read 9831 times.

Quoting irshava (Reply 114):
And why don't the smaller regional carriers purchase their own jets? Isn't it odd that Delta buys them for the companies to operate? Is there a financial incentive behind it?

OO has ordered 100 MRJ 90s, which most (if not all) will most likely operate under the Delta Connection banner due to the scope clause restrictions of OO's other partners.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: XFSUgimpLB41X
Posted 2012-12-08 19:02:04 and read 9685 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 115):
OO has ordered 100 MRJ 90s, which most (if not all) will most likely operate under the Delta Connection banner due to the scope clause restrictions of OO's other partners.

Whoops. Sorry, with these 70 900s, they have to go to another airline as this taps out DL's scope clause.

[Edited 2012-12-08 19:02:45]

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2012-12-08 20:30:12 and read 9535 times.

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 116):
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 115):
OO has ordered 100 MRJ 90s, which most (if not all) will most likely operate under the Delta Connection banner due to the scope clause restrictions of OO's other partners.

Whoops. Sorry, with these 70 900s, they have to go to another airline as this taps out DL's scope clause.

The MRJs are replacements and growth. However, they won't be certified for 2 more years, and on property for another 4 years. The CRJ-900s ARE available right now.

And actually, with AA, and eventually UA clauses, they'll all be MRJ70s, unless a few MRJ90s can be purchased for use with AS and US (assuming the merger falls through.)

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: apodino
Posted 2012-12-08 20:56:28 and read 9482 times.

One other thing. Trans States also has MRJ's on order. Now is Hulas going to make a run for this flying and then use the MRJ's for something else down the road...or are they going to run into the same problems that Goldenshield is talking about with Skywest?

FWIW...in the AA pilot deal just ratified...they are going to be limited to about 200 RJ's above 70 seats. Eagle has a few 700's already....so you wonder if they will make a run with the MRJ's or what is going to happen. I think a lot will be determined by what comes of the UA/CO pilot deal. It could be that we end up in a situation where there are too many RJ's on order that are allowed by scope...which means the CRJ 700 will eventually be seen less and less.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: XFSUgimpLB41X
Posted 2012-12-08 22:44:01 and read 9355 times.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 117):
The MRJs are replacements and growth. However, they won't be certified for 2 more years, and on property for another 4 years. The CRJ-900s ARE available right now.

Unless they are replacing "old" 76 seaters currently flown by Skywest, then they won't be flying in the DL system.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: NWAESC
Posted 2012-12-09 06:34:31 and read 9095 times.

Quoting KGRB (Reply 112):
I work on the CRJ-900 on a near daily basis and I have never had more than 40 gate checked bags.

Consider yourself lucky! 40 is about average for me...

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2012-12-09 07:06:46 and read 9026 times.

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 119):
The MRJs are replacements and growth. However, they won't be certified for 2 more years, and on property for another 4 years. The CRJ-900s ARE available right now.

Unless they are replacing "old" 76 seaters currently flown by Skywest, then they won't be flying in the DL system.

Get off your high horse, please. Just because you're flying for DL now doesn't give you the right to be an ass.

The company will swap out whatever aicraft it wants to, when it wants to, and you, nor your fellow pilots, have any right to tell another company what it can do with its airplanes.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: NWAdeicer
Posted 2012-12-09 07:13:41 and read 8991 times.

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 120):
Consider yourself lucky! 40 is about average for me...

Hate the two forward bins, can't count the number of times i've creased my forehead reaching into the bin to pull out a bag.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: laca773
Posted 2012-12-09 07:49:42 and read 8907 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 113):
Some of the longer E75 / CR9 flights do get a meal service in F. None of these flights have meal service in Y.

True. But they have had some longer CR9/E75 flights from LAX recently where they could have offered BOB meals. That particular flight just went mainline. I want to say it's MCI, but can say for sure since I didn't check recently.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 113):
No in the immediate future. With this order and the 717s, DL is not going to have an immediate need for any more aircraft in the 100-120 seat range for at least another 5 years.

That's what I was thinking.. Thanks for the information.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: mayor
Posted 2012-12-09 08:04:38 and read 8884 times.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 121):
The company will swap out whatever aicraft it wants to, when it wants to, and you, nor your fellow pilots, have any right to tell another company what it can do with its airplanes.

Unless I'm mistaken, the MRJs won't belong to DL, correct? If they won't belong to DL, can they tell OO how to use them?

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2012-12-09 08:21:29 and read 8867 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 124):
Unless I'm mistaken, the MRJs won't belong to DL, correct? If they won't belong to DL, can they tell OO how to use them?

They'll be owned by OO. DL has worded the RFPs so that airplanes wih X number of seats are flown, not a specific model. Thus, the only way DL can tell OO how to use them is via the flight schedule. Even then, should the need aise, the two airplanes will be interchangable since they will have the same seating configuration (overwing exit rows aside, which will be moot on the MRJ,) and I would assume the same maintenance bases.

[Edited 2012-12-09 08:24:21]

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-12-09 10:33:24 and read 8704 times.

Quoting irshava (Reply 114):
And why don't the smaller regional carriers purchase their own jets? Isn't it odd that Delta buys them for the companies to operate?

1. DL buys in larger quantity and thus the price is less. This reduces costs for DL.
2. This is like hiring a tradesman without tools, the price paid is less in the long run.
3. Owning the aircraft allows DL to switch RJ vendors without the threat of lost service. This allows for very competitive bidding on the service.

DL does a mixture of both styles of RJ outsourcing, but buying the planes on DL's credit has proven more cost effective and thus most of their deals are biased that way.

Quoting irshava (Reply 114):
I thought that the notion in the airline industry was to stay away from regional jets as they were unprofitable..

50 seat RJs have become unprofitable, so this is an upgauge. Don't worry about the rhetoric and instead look at the numbers. These RJs cost far less per passenger than the CRJ200. We're talking aircraft that have 24 added premium seats as well as 2 more Y seats. These aircraft have a better chance of the high RASM RJs were intended to provide. I have also found out in this thread the latest CRJs overcome some of the 'costs' of the earlier CRJs (larger overhead bins reduce gate checked bags, fuel burn improvements, and the larger windows help the experience).

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 115):
OO has ordered 100 MRJ 90s, which most (if not all) will most likely operate under the Delta Connection banner due to the scope clause restrictions of OO's other partners.

It will depend on the MRJ's economics. If the MRJ does well economically, those planes will find a home. (MRJ-700 or -900).

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: XFSUgimpLB41X
Posted 2012-12-09 17:19:42 and read 8463 times.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 121):
Get off your high horse, please. Just because you're flying for DL now doesn't give you the right to be an ass.

The company will swap out whatever aicraft it wants to, when it wants to, and you, nor your fellow pilots, have any right to tell another company what it can do with its airplanes.

You didn't say swapping.... I did. You stated growth. They cannot be growth due to DL scope. SKW only operates a small handful of 76 seaters for DL- so there can only be a handful of MRJs swapped if that becomes the case.

If you had said only swapping out aircraft, then I wouldn't have had to climb on my high mainline horse and tell you how wrong you are with your previous statement.  

[Edited 2012-12-09 17:23:02]

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2012-12-09 17:34:34 and read 8430 times.

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 127):
You didn't say swapping.... I did. You stated growth. They cannot be growth due to DL scope. SKW only operates a small handful of 76 seaters for DL- so there can only be a handful of MRJs swapped if that becomes the case.

Yadda yadda yadda. I said Growth and replacements back in reply 117. Post 121 was the ONLY time I said the word 'Swap,' which was in direct reply to your (false) assumption that everything was going to DL.

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 127):
If you had said only swapping out aircraft, then I wouldn't have had to climb on my high mainline horse and tell you how wrong you are with your previous statement.  

I guess because 'replacement' is beyond your level of English comprehension...

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: XFSUgimpLB41X
Posted 2012-12-09 18:48:30 and read 8322 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 115):

OO has ordered 100 MRJ 90s, which most (if not all) will most likely operate under the Delta Connection banner due to the scope clause restrictions of OO's other partners.
Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 128):
Yadda yadda yadda. I said Growth and replacements back in reply 117. Post 121 was the ONLY time I said the word 'Swap,' which was in direct reply to your (false) assumption that everything was going to DL.

My mistake- it was 1337 that made the post that I attributed to you! This site needs bigger usernames and avatars! (It's hard to see the small font sitting way up on that horse)

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2012-12-09 19:05:00 and read 8299 times.

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 129):
My mistake- it was 1337 that made the post that I attributed to you! This site needs bigger usernames and avatars! (It's hard to see the small font sitting way up on that horse)

Avatars would be nice, but I feel that would end up being abused.

Otherwise, I forgive for my harsh reply. I hold no grudge. Business is business.

(And perhaps you might want to get bifocals.   )

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: mayor
Posted 2012-12-09 19:24:53 and read 8247 times.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 130):
(And perhaps you might want to get bifocals. )

Avoid them as long as you are able....trust me, I know  

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: XFSUgimpLB41X
Posted 2012-12-10 00:32:21 and read 8045 times.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 130):
Avatars would be nice, but I feel that would end up being abused.

Otherwise, I forgive for my harsh reply. I hold no grudge. Business is business.

(And perhaps you might want to get bifocals.   )

Oh, I have a few choice avatars.  

No worries- I'm sorry for jumping on you!

I sure hope I'm a ways off from bifocals... I'm 31! That dang high horse.  

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: CRJ900
Posted 2012-12-10 00:41:01 and read 8067 times.

Is DL planning to fly these new CRJ900s for 20-25 years, so that some of them will be around in 2040? If so, the "loathed" CRJ will have been flying for 50 years - not bad.

DL ordered 30+30 CRJ900 some years ago, did they convert all 30 options into firm orders? How realistic is it that the new 30 options will be converted to firm orders?

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: B727FA
Posted 2012-12-10 10:31:28 and read 7801 times.

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 45):
Tell me this.. can the 175 haul human remains?

Yes.

The major issues I hear people (pax/crews) have with the -900's: 76 "pink-tag bags" we have to wait on; 1 galley v/s two (FA's will tell you how much that matters!); "real" service doors for galley restocking--having only the "baby door" a 1R makes for inefficient catering and ground service; no "place" for the FAs to "catch their breath."

There is an "image" issue: the 900 looks like an RJ; the eJet looks like a ML a/c. That does matter. Even the boarding/deplaning process with a jetbridge (and my bag) or a narrow fold up/out "bridge to the jetbridge" (where I wait for my bag). People may not know that they're on an Airbus or an Ejet...but the dang well know they're on an RJ of ANY type.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2012-12-10 11:17:51 and read 7733 times.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 134):
Yes.



IDK if you've actually SEEN the 175 bins but they are very narrow and the bin ceiling is extremely low. I've never seen an HR booked for one in the DL network.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: NWADTWE16
Posted 2012-12-10 18:17:33 and read 7448 times.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 134):
There is an "image" issue: the 900 looks like an RJ; the eJet looks like a ML a/c. That does matter. Even the boarding/deplaning process with a jetbridge (and my bag) or a narrow fold up/out "bridge to the jetbridge" (where I wait for my bag). People may not know that they're on an Airbus or an Ejet...but the dang well know they're on an RJ of ANY type.

Exactly!!

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: mayor
Posted 2012-12-10 18:27:40 and read 7441 times.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 134):
There is an "image" issue: the 900 looks like an RJ; the eJet looks like a ML a/c. That does matter. Even the boarding/deplaning process with a jetbridge (and my bag) or a narrow fold up/out "bridge to the jetbridge" (where I wait for my bag). People may not know that they're on an Airbus or an Ejet...but the dang well know they're on an RJ of ANY type.
Quoting NWADTWE16 (Reply 136):
Exactly!!

Which shows that this purchase has as much to do with Boeing taking back the 50 seaters as much as anything. If you throw that out of the equation, they might have purchased the E175s.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2012-12-10 21:54:08 and read 7282 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 137):
Which shows that this purchase has as much to do with Boeing taking back the 50 seaters as much as anything. If you throw that out of the equation, they might have purchased the E175s.

The CRJ's also have a significant operating cost advantage over the E-jets which is another valid reason for the choice.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: B727FA
Posted 2012-12-11 09:21:10 and read 7013 times.

It's clearly a decision to combo the take back of the 50 seaters with the new 900's...

The back pit of the 175 can take HR.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: mayor
Posted 2012-12-11 21:43:21 and read 6684 times.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 139):
The back pit of the 175 can take HR.

Considering that most HRs, nowadays average between 200 and 350 pounds, I'd hate to have to try it. I can remember watching the ramp crew trying to load an HR in the front pit of a Convair 880 in the 70s and it was a real struggle. The 880 had a door like a postage stamp.....they had to push the HR in, straight, turn it slightly, push some more, etc., etc. until it was all the way in. Not much fun. I can imagine it would have to be an HR that was just in an airtray, without a casket or one of the small transit caskets.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2012-12-12 05:58:30 and read 6510 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 140):
Considering that most HRs, nowadays average between 200 and 350 pounds, I'd hate to have to try it. I can remember watching the ramp crew trying to load an HR in the front pit of a Convair 880 in the 70s and it was a real struggle.

Even loading an HR into an MD-80 tended to be a struggle. I can't imagine an F-100 or smaller bin.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: CRJ900
Posted 2012-12-12 12:32:16 and read 6286 times.

Can the CRJ900 take human remains in the aft cargo hold?

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Prost
Posted 2012-12-12 12:35:09 and read 6281 times.

Is there a huge HR market? Has this ever been the deciding which aircraft to purchase? I'm asking not to be snarky, but with how much discussion is now going on about this, apparently in some circles, it is a larger consideration than I ever gave it.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: PSA727LAX
Posted 2012-12-12 13:07:30 and read 6213 times.

Any indication of how many ASA will end up with? Wonder how much input Skywest will have in how they're disperssed?

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: XFSUgimpLB41X
Posted 2012-12-12 13:40:18 and read 6150 times.

Quoting PSA727LAX (Reply 144):
Any indication of how many ASA will end up with? Wonder how much input Skywest will have in how they're disperssed?

No indication whatsoever, but they are currently being dangled in front of the 9E pilot group as a carrot to take paycuts.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: AV8AJET
Posted 2012-12-12 13:45:37 and read 6137 times.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 142):
Can the CRJ900 take human remains in the aft cargo hold?

No

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2012-12-12 14:04:44 and read 6107 times.

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 146):

I bet some flights feel like every seat is occupied by human remains.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: XFSUgimpLB41X
Posted 2012-12-12 14:30:06 and read 6082 times.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 147):
I bet some flights feel like every seat is occupied by human remains.

Senior international flight attendants?  

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Mir
Posted 2012-12-12 15:10:37 and read 6005 times.

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 145):
they are currently being dangled in front of the 9E pilot group as a carrot to take paycuts.


I hope they don't fall for it. There's a whole lot further to go down from where they are.

-Mir

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: planemaker
Posted 2012-12-18 19:05:11 and read 5404 times.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 139):
It's clearly a decision to combo the take back of the 50 seaters with the new 900's...

The Aviation Daily link if offline at the moment but it reported that Richard Anderson said that the deal to return 60 CRJ200s and buy 40 CRJ900s "pays for itself within 3 years, basically."

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: durangomac
Posted 2012-12-18 22:01:25 and read 5243 times.

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 146):
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 142):Can the CRJ900 take human remains in the aft cargo hold?No

I know OO has taken HR on CRJ-200's, I would be suprised if OO's CRJ-900's have a restriction.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: mayor
Posted 2012-12-19 08:28:03 and read 5022 times.

Quoting durangomac (Reply 151):

I know OO has taken HR on CRJ-200's, I would be suprised if OO's CRJ-900's have a restriction.

I can't imagine loading a full size HR on a -200, unless it was a child or cremated.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: durangomac
Posted 2012-12-19 10:27:48 and read 4905 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 152):

I can't imagine loading a full size HR on a -200, unless it was a child or cremated.

OO did it a couple years ago when a pilot was killed in freak accident while on a overnight. OO transported her back to her home town and had a whole bunch of her fellow pilots meet the aircraft in DEN for the transfer to her final flight. Both aircraft were CRJ-200's

Now does OO often transport HR, I doubt it.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2012-12-19 11:01:44 and read 4858 times.

Here's the cargo bin dimensions:

http://images.delta.com/delta/pdfs/cargo/DELTA_CONNECTION_AIRCRAFT.pdf

[Edited 2012-12-19 11:02:44]

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: apodino
Posted 2012-12-19 11:25:30 and read 4813 times.

Quoting Mir (Reply 149):
I hope they don't fall for it. There's a whole lot further to go down from where they are.

According to some 9E pilots...what management is telling them is that according to Delta...if the 9E pilots fail to ratify the TA, then Delta already has a deal in place with Air Wisconsin to fly 40 CRJ-900's as a backup. Air Wisconsin management of course will never confirm this...but I do think that this is a bit of hot air by Pinnacle management to force the pilots into a yes vote.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2012-12-19 11:58:15 and read 4751 times.

Quoting apodino (Reply 155):
if the 9E pilots fail to ratify the TA, then Delta already has a deal in place with Air Wisconsin to fly 40 CRJ-900's as a backup.

I find that odd. I understand that DL doesn't want all its eggs in one basket if they give it to SKYW, but taking flying from one company with a very senior, highly paid pilot group, and giving it to another airline with a very senior, highly paid pilot group doesn't make sense, either.

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: mayor
Posted 2012-12-19 12:12:36 and read 4730 times.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 154):
http://images.delta.com/delta/pdfs/cargo/DELTA_CONNECTION_AIRCRAFT.pdf

Looks like it would be easier to load an HR in Brasilia than a CR2, in any case, once you put an HR in the bin of a CR2, there's not going to be much room for anything else.....NOTHING is supposed to be loaded on top of the HR, so that space is gone and looking at those dimensions, loading would be a pain in the butt. IIRC, the average air tray was at least 72" long X 24" high X 30" wide.

Quoting durangomac (Reply 153):
OO did it a couple years ago when a pilot was killed in freak accident while on a overnight.

If this is the one I'm thinking about, my daughter told me about it (she knew her). She was caught in a storm while out running, took shelter in a small building and it collapsed on her, I believe.


Anyway, DL's not going to order the a/c, depending on whether they can hall HRs or not.

[Edited 2012-12-19 12:14:12]

Topic: RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Username: apodino
Posted 2012-12-19 12:14:23 and read 4713 times.

Quoting apodino (Reply 155):
According to some 9E pilots...what management is telling them is that according to Delta...if the 9E pilots fail to ratify the TA, then Delta already has a deal in place with Air Wisconsin to fly 40 CRJ-900's as a backup. Air Wisconsin management of course will never confirm this...but I do think that this is a bit of hot air by Pinnacle management to force the pilots into a yes vote.

ZW isn't quite as senior as you think. A lot of the real old guys are going to be retiring due to Age 65 in the next few years, and aside from that group...the seniority makeup is pretty comporable to Skywest or Expressjet.


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