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Topic: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: miaintl
Posted 2012-12-18 15:50:32 and read 9172 times.

Seeing that AA is expanding rapidly in MIA especially in their Latin American/Brazil service, is there now a real possibility that we might see AA feed that traffic with an Asian service to NRT from MIA? I think the new 77W plane is perfect with that route. MIA is the only major airport in the south without any direct service to East Asia. DFW, IAH, and ATL all have services to NRT and other east Asian destinations, but MIA has none. So I think time is due for a Japan link to MIA.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: Longhornmaniac
Posted 2012-12-18 15:56:31 and read 9147 times.

I expect it would be a 787 route.

  

Cheers,
Cameron

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: Tdan
Posted 2012-12-18 16:06:39 and read 9064 times.

It will happen soon. Either JL 788 or AA 777/77W. The timing actually works best if it is served by AA for deep South America, but best by JL to hit Central America and the Caribbean.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: miaintl
Posted 2012-12-18 16:16:17 and read 8981 times.

Is there actually a market between Miami and Japan, because I know that always factors in on whether a route is profitable.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: justinlee
Posted 2012-12-18 16:18:17 and read 8961 times.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 3):
Is there actually a market between Miami and Japan, because I know that always factors in on whether a route is profitable.

I believe there is a big market between Japan and South America considering the immigrants and investment Japan have in that region. But I don't know where they actually connect now  

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-12-18 16:21:30 and read 8940 times.

Yes.

I'm told it was on one of the route maps shown to ALPA at a presentation this week about AA's future growth. AA actually gave away a lot about its future route planning last week to a group of employees. I believe there is a redacted version posted online.

Florida-Japan is a traditionally large O&D market - around 160 PDEW - but took a huge hit after the Tsunami, like many U.S.-Japan markets.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2012-12-18 16:27:20 and read 8895 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 5):
I'm told it was on one of the route maps shown to ALPA at a presentation this week about AA's future growth.

Ah, I wondered if that was one of the 'redacted' items in the PDF I saw posted by the Dallas paper. I made a few other assumptions based on routes often talked about here, too. Thanks for the confirmation.   

I do wonder if that'll continue to fractionalize the U.S. - Japan market. Was there any indication if this would be service to NRT or HND?

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-18 16:29:36 and read 8874 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 5):
Florida-Japan is a traditionally large O&D market - around 160 PDEW

How would that 160 number break down between US-origin, Japan-origin, and connecting traffic to/from other points in Asia or Latin America etc.?

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-12-18 16:32:36 and read 8835 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
How would that 160 number break down between US-origin, Japan-origin, and connecting traffic to/from other points in Asia or Latin America etc.?

That's O&D, so there is no connecting traffic there.

Florida-Japan is roughly two-thirds Japan-originating.

That number is also pre-Tsunami. MIATYO alone dropped around 30% in 2011.

The largest Florida-Asia markets by city pair are traditionally MCOTYO, MIAMNL, MIAHKG, MIATYO and MIABOM.

Florida-Asia also, and quite obviously, isn't a yields goldmine, but MIAHKG and MIATPE are outliers - premium-heavy markets, high average fares.

[Edited 2012-12-18 16:35:22]

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: nomorerjs
Posted 2012-12-18 16:52:54 and read 8720 times.

What are the yields on these routes? MNL to Florida must be deep in the toilet.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-12-18 16:58:01 and read 8688 times.

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 9):
What are the yields on these routes? MNL to Florida must be deep in the toilet.

Of course Manila-Florida is trash yield. I think the average is sub-$700. Big market, though.

Average one-ways to Japan/China/Korea are typically around $700-850 one-way, which is pretty much on par with averages from California, but California is a lot closer. Hong Kong/Taipei average $1,300-1,450 one-way. When the averages start skewing that high, that shows a larger than average proportion of J demand.

[Edited 2012-12-18 16:59:33]

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: DolphinAir747
Posted 2012-12-18 17:36:44 and read 8469 times.

MIA-NRT is certainly a large O&D market compared to, say ATL-NRT, and MIA has much, much, much better South American connectivity than ATL for onbvious reasons. There's a reason DL wants to buy AA's MIA operation...

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: Roseflyer
Posted 2012-12-18 17:50:35 and read 8356 times.

Quoting miaintl (Thread starter):
I think the new 77W plane is perfect with that route

I think the 77W would be their worst choice from a capacity management point of view. MIA-NRT is going to be a thin route with little to no domestic feed. It is an unproven route relying upon connections to South America which require many to have transit visas. The 787 is far better for such a route. It's the same distance as ORD-DEL, but has some headwind problems, but the 772 would be a better choice because starting a new route with your biggest airplane almost never makes sense.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: miaintl
Posted 2012-12-18 19:40:52 and read 8051 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 10):

I don't know of any plane that can do MIA-HKG nonstop and as far as i heard CX has not placed any orders of 787s.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-18 20:24:23 and read 7936 times.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 11):

MIA-NRT is certainly a large O&D market compared to, say ATL-NRT, and MIA has much, much, much better South American connectivity than ATL for onbvious reasons. There's a reason DL wants to buy AA's MIA operation...

Actually no it isnt. I wouldnt call MIA-NRT large and its actually smaller than ATL-NRT as well as IAH-NRT and DFW-NRT.

MCO-NRT is by far the largest South-NRT market.

The largest MIA-East Asia market is MIA-MNL and it is also the largest South-MNL market.

All that said, could MIA-NRT work? I believe it can with a 787. The key will be marketing the flight to Florida bound traffic. I dont think going after Latin America connections is going to be worth while since all the major markets from Latin America to NRT and Asia are pretty well covered via other hubs (GRU, EZE, GIG, SCL, and LIM).

What will make this flight unique is Florida and it needs to be marketed as such.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: jfk777
Posted 2012-12-19 04:24:16 and read 6762 times.

Miami to Narita is probably best with a 787-9. Since the GRU and GIG flights arrive before sunrise in Miami customs should not be a problem. A 777-300ER is too big for Miami to Tokyo even if it could be flown. AA already provides through connections from Brazil to Tokyo over DFW and JFK. Connecting over Miami is only replicating a service already offered.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2012-12-19 05:35:37 and read 6299 times.

Why????

What a long, low yielding route.

The US screwed up international to international connections via the US after 9/11. That is why IB dismantled their MIA mini hub.

To most of the world, connecting through the US is like one of us buying a ticket to connect through LGA. No reason to do it if it can be avoided.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: airbazar
Posted 2012-12-19 05:35:43 and read 6299 times.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 11):
MIA-NRT is certainly a large O&D market compared to, say ATL-NRT, and MIA has much, much, much better South American connectivity than ATL for onbvious reasons.

ATL-NRT doesn't exist to connect S.America. It exists primarily to connect NRT with the US South.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 15):
Miami to Narita is probably best with a 787-9. Since the GRU and GIG flights arrive before sunrise in Miami customs should not be a problem. A 777-300ER is too big for Miami to Tokyo even if it could be flown. AA already provides through connections from Brazil to Tokyo over DFW and JFK. Connecting over Miami is only replicating a service already offered.

I do agree that the 789 is the better plane however, it all depends on how each of the planes will be configured and how AA/JL choose to manage their yields. They can very easily direct their S.American connecting traffic primarily via MIA instead of DFW or JFK if they need to fill that 77W. Personally I think MIA is a better connecting point than JFK, if nothing else because it's not subject to the weather delays and congestion that JFK often experiences thus providing a much more reliable service.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: max550
Posted 2012-12-19 05:52:21 and read 6150 times.

Quoting miaintl (Thread starter):
MIA is the only major airport in the south without any direct service to East Asia.

CLT?

Quoting miaintl (Thread starter):
So I think time is due for a Japan link to MIA.

I think we'll see it once more 787's are in service, whether it's from an Asian carrier or AA. Much like BOS, SAN, and SJC, who up until recently didn't have any Asian service (SJC starts Jan. 11).

I just wonder how much connecting traffic there would be from South America. MIA is pretty out of the way for nearly everyone in the US and I could see it cannibalizing other AA routes (ORD and JFK) rather than bringing in people who were using other airlines before.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: clrd4t8koff
Posted 2012-12-19 07:02:33 and read 5683 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
Actually no it isnt. I wouldnt call MIA-NRT large and its actually smaller than ATL-NRT as well as IAH-NRT and DFW-NRT.

Bingo! Which is why MIA is without direct passenger service to Asia even though it's a large hub.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-19 07:13:06 and read 5600 times.

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 19):
Bingo! Which is why MIA is without direct passenger service to Asia even though it's a large hub.

To be fair though, MIA-Asia could fill a 787. The question I would have would be regarding yields. Some Asia destinations from MIA (Im thinking of MNL particularly) are trash yielding and not even worth going after while others (like HKG) are more premium.

Thats why I say a flight like this needs to be geared at the Florida O&D. Make people pay the premium for traveling directly to Florida and leave the Latin American connections to DFW. DFW has most of the majors covered anyway (GRU, EZE, SCL, and soon to be LIM and BOG). Asia-GIG could better be routed through JFK since they only fly DFW-GIG thrice weekly.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2012-12-19 07:26:03 and read 5498 times.

Asia-South America traffic tends to be lower yield, though there should be a growing business component.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-12-19 10:37:44 and read 4406 times.

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 19):
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
Actually no it isnt. I wouldnt call MIA-NRT large and its actually smaller than ATL-NRT as well as IAH-NRT and DFW-NRT.

Bingo! Which is why MIA is without direct passenger service to Asia even though it's a large hub.

Not really. Miami has an ample-sized market to Asia and will have no problem support non-stop to Tokyo. Miami to it's five largest Asia markets - MNL, TYO, HKG, SHA and SEL - is 175 PDEW. That's nothing to sneeze at, and that was in a year when the Florida-Tokyo market collapsed due to the Tsunami. Historically this decade MIATYO has been ~45-50 PDEW, but following the Tsunami dipped to ~30 PDEW. Traffic for the first three months of 2012 already indicates it returning to previous levels. MCOTYO also saw a big dip, but remains large.

Further, Japanese tourists visting Florida often combine Miami and Orlando and use Orlando as the airport choice, so Miami-Tokyo definitley has leakage.

I've said it many times before, here is the key to Florida-Asia:

1) Grab the Orlando-Tokyo traffic. This traffic is indifferent between using MCO and MIA; MCOTYO is a large market, larger than BOSTYO, SANTYO or PDXTYO.
2) Grab the Miami-Hong Kong market. It's only about ~25-30 PDEW right now, but it's the largest Southeast-HKG market and very high-yielding. Miami and Hong Kong have strong business ties thanks to Swire Group and the strength of both as major international trade/cargo hubs.
3) Grab connecting traffic from northern South America. It's an exploding market. And forget that nonsense people like to spout about visas. Koreans, Japanese and Taiwanese don't need them, while most Latins that are going to Asia have multi-year U.S. transit visas secured already.
4) Grab Miami-Philippines. The yield isn't hot, but the market is large and - along with Japanese tourists - helps fill the Y cabin.

[Edited 2012-12-19 10:51:49]

[Edited 2012-12-19 10:52:47]

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-12-19 10:42:12 and read 4363 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 22):
1) Grab the Orlando-Tokyo traffic. This traffic is indifferent between using MCO and MIA; MCOTYO is a large market, larger than BOSTYO, SANTYO or PDXTYO.
2) Grab the Miami-Hong Kong market. It's only about ~25-30 PDEW right now, but it's the largest Southeast-HKG market and very high-yielding. Miami and Hong Kong have strong business ties thanks to Swire Group and the strength of both as major international trade/cargo hubs.
3) Grab connecting traffic from northern South America. It's an exploding market. And forget that nonsense people like to spout about visas. Koreans, Japanese and Taiwanese don't need them, while most Latins that are going to Asia have multi-year U.S. transit visas secured already.
4) Grab Miami-Philippines. The yield isn't hot, but the market is large and - along with Japanese tourists - helps fill the Y cabin.

In my opinion, points one and two are much more key to the success of this route than points three or four.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: Byrdluvs747
Posted 2012-12-19 10:58:40 and read 4279 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 22):
Grab Miami-Philippines.

Are you proposing that AA should start US-MNL or just codeshare/interline with PR's MNL-LAX flight? If the former, then how would AA operate such a long low yielding route? MIA-MNL is around 9k nm.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-12-19 11:20:22 and read 4208 times.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 24):
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 22):
Grab Miami-Philippines.

Are you proposing that AA should start US-MNL or just codeshare/interline with PR's MNL-LAX flight? If the former, then how would AA operate such a long low yielding route? MIA-MNL is around 9k nm.

I'm not proposing any such thing. All I said was Manila traffic can help fill the Y cabin of MIA-NRT. AA already interlines with PR.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: mpdpilot
Posted 2012-12-19 11:56:09 and read 4019 times.

By the sound of this thread there seem to be three routes that could be started tomorrow, assuming there are aircraft to operate them.

NRT-MIA AA/JL 787
Capture the high yielding traffic. And leave the tourists to the MCO flight

NRT-MCO AA/DL/JL 777
Capture the tourist market, if it is so much bigger than BOS and SAN then it should be able to support a higher density 777.

HKG-MIA AA 787
Capture that high yielding traffic and the connections down south (though I have heard that HKG traffic often times goes via AKL). Fill the Economy cabin with MNL traffic.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: MHTripple7
Posted 2012-12-19 12:01:22 and read 4042 times.

Considering TWOV is no longer possible through the U.S., I fail to see how MIA could ever act as an effective connecting point between Japan and S. America.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-12-19 12:06:33 and read 4009 times.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 27):
Considering TWOV is no longer possible through the U.S., I fail to see how MIA could ever act as an effective connecting point between Japan and S. America.

Well, for one thing, DFW, ATL, DTW, JFK and LAX all already do act as an effective connecting point between Japan and S. America (and for deep South America will remain better transfer points than MIA could be).

85%+ of Japan-South America traffic transfers in the United States, so clearly the lack of TWOV isn't hurting.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: airbazar
Posted 2012-12-19 12:19:31 and read 3890 times.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 27):
Considering TWOV is no longer possible through the U.S., I fail to see how MIA could ever act as an effective connecting point between Japan and S. America.

Because of this, which I agree entirely. Visas are primarily an issue for low yield tourists, not business travelers.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 22):
3) Grab connecting traffic from northern South America. It's an exploding market. And forget that nonsense people like to spout about visas. Koreans, Japanese and Taiwanese don't need them, while most Latins that are going to Asia have multi-year U.S. transit visas secured already.

Quoting mpdpilot (Reply 26):
NRT-MIA AA/JL 787
Capture the high yielding traffic. And leave the tourists to the MCO flight

NRT-MCO AA/DL/JL 777
Capture the tourist market, if it is so much bigger than BOS and SAN then it should be able to support a higher density 777.

I don't agree for a few reasons. MCO-NRT is too long of a route to operate profitably with only low yield tourists. And as mentioned above, most Japanese tourists combine Miami and Orlando on the same trip so it's irrelevant where they fly in and out of. I think it should be only MIA-NRT on a 77W or 789. The JL 787 is too premium heavy for a route with this much Y demand. This route needs a large Y cabin.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-12-19 12:27:24 and read 3861 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 29):
The JL 787 is too premium heavy for a route with this much Y demand. This route needs a large Y cabin.

Which is exactly why, as much as I want to see a JL 787 at MIA, I don't believe the 788 - in the way JAL configures it - is right for this route. Not only is it low density, JAL opted for 8 abreast Y. JAL and ANA are the only airlines that have done that.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: crosswinds21
Posted 2012-12-19 12:28:26 and read 3827 times.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 27):
Considering TWOV is no longer possible through the U.S., I fail to see how MIA could ever act as an effective connecting point between Japan and S. America.

Even though the US doesn't have TVOW, the problem is that there just aren't many other options to get from North East Asia to South America. There's AM, but they only have something like 3x weekly flights, and only to NRT and PVG, not to mention the stop in TIJ going west. Also, their flights to South America fro MEX are limited (no flights to UIO for example). Flying via Canada is an option, but also, the destinations served by AC are limited and more importantly, there is also no TVOW as far as I know.

The only other options is to fly via Australasia - either via SYD and/or AKL. While that may possibly work for routes such as NRT to SCL, most routes require significant backtracking and/or additional connections.

So the point is that despite possible inconveniences of connecting in the USA, the USA, by virtue of its location and by virtue of the fact that Asia and South America are too far to be flown nonstop, will continue to remain a relatively easy and convenient connecting point between the two regions. Also, the fact that AA has/will soon have pretty much all of South America covered from MIA will mean that it definitely won't be a bad connection option should AA choose to fly to NRT.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-19 12:43:13 and read 3753 times.

Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 31):
Even though the US doesn't have TVOW, the problem is that there just aren't many other options to get from North East Asia to South America.

Why are you ingoring routings via Gulf points such as DXB or DOH? The mileage difference is inconsequential to many major destinations in South America, and in a few cases it may even be shorter. And in many markets where routings via the Gulf are much more devious than the most direct routing (Europe-South Africa for example), fares on the Gulf carriers are often significantly lower.

Examples:

NRT-MIA-GRU 10,001 nm
NRT-DOH-GRU 10,891 nm
NRT-DXB-GRU 10,913 nm

ICN-MIA-GRU 10,270 nm
ICN-DOH-GRU 10,218 nm
ICN-DXB-GRU 10,237 nm

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: crosswinds21
Posted 2012-12-19 13:21:30 and read 3516 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 32):
Why are you ingoring routings via Gulf points such as DXB or DOH? The mileage difference is inconsequential to many major destinations in South America, and in a few cases it may even be shorter. And in many markets where routings via the Gulf are much more devious than the most direct routing (Europe-South Africa for example), fares on the Gulf carriers are often significantly lower.

First of all, the gulf routings are, in many cases, longer (but not always, as you showed). Of course, this doesn't automatically disqualify that option, but routes such as NRT-GRU are more than 1,000 miles longer when flown via DXB than via DFW. But more importantly, it's the fact that the middle eastern carriers' South American network are right now limited to pretty much GRU and EZE (and maybe GIG also). It's not to say that there won't be expansion in the future, but either way, right now, unless you're someone that only flies something NRT-EZE or HKG-GRU, then the Middle Eastern carriers won't work too well. Here, we are not taking into account important markets such as Colombia, Peru, Venezuela, secondary cities in Brazil, etc.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: jonathanxxxx
Posted 2012-12-19 13:30:03 and read 3465 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 32):
Why are you ingoring routings via Gulf points such as DXB or DOH? The mileage difference is inconsequential to many major destinations in South America, and in a few cases it may even be shorter. And in many markets where routings via the Gulf are much more devious than the most direct routing (Europe-South Africa for example), fares on the Gulf carriers are often significantly lower.

Examples:

NRT-MIA-GRU 10,001 nm
NRT-DOH-GRU 10,891 nm
NRT-DXB-GRU 10,913 nm

ICN-MIA-GRU 10,270 nm
ICN-DOH-GRU 10,218 nm
ICN-DXB-GRU 10,237 nm

Yes those routings for GRU. How about BSB, GIG, EZE or even BOG, CCS, or LIM (All but GIG and EZE not served through Gulf points and still very large markets)?

NRT-MIA-GIG 10,079 nm
NRT-DOH-GIG 10,712 nm
NRT-DXB-GIG 10,733 nm

NRT-MIA-BSB 9,590 nm *Only Asian link currently provided is through ATL
NRT-DXB-BSB 10,830 nm

NRT-MIA-EZE 10,291 nm
NRT-DXB-GIG-EZE 11,810 nm *Not even served nonstop, also add in extra time due to the stop in GIG

NRT-MIA-BOG 7,771 nm
NRT-IAH-BOG 7,704 nm *Used IAH as DXB is obviously much longer, even then MIA is the longer route (Not by much though)

NRT-MIA-CCS 7,644 nm
NRT-IAH-CCS 7,734 nm
For comparison I will use CDG as that is another option to take:
NRT-CDG-CCS 9,939 nm

NRT-MIA-LIM 8,729 nm
NRT-IAH-LIM 8,495 nm

As you can see MIA is shorter than almost all of the other main options (Except UA/CO from IAH to LIM & BOG). Considering that MIA also has many daily flights to these destinations connecting times would be much easier than say a 1X daily flight from DXB. MIA also provides service that UA/CO doesn't from IAH such as ASU, MVD, etc.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: DolphinAir747
Posted 2012-12-19 15:01:42 and read 3062 times.

I notice that AA has not announced any new destinations with the 77W. Horton has hinted to MIA-NRT in the past, and the other rumored route, DFW-ICN, is about to begin.

Also, since no ex-MIA 77W routes have been announced and AA seems committed to growing South America ex-MIA, I wouldn't be surprised by MIA-NRT.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: brilondon
Posted 2012-12-19 15:06:00 and read 3037 times.

Quoting justinlee (Reply 4):
I believe there is a big market between Japan and South America considering the immigrants and investment Japan have in that region. But I don't know where they actually connect now  

Would South American routes not connect through DFW or LAX instead of MIA?

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: jonathanxxxx
Posted 2012-12-19 16:00:19 and read 2793 times.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 36):

LAX barely has service to South America, DFW on the other hand does have more, but frequencies are much more limited compared to MIA.

Topic: RE: Will AA MIA-NRT Ever Become A Reality?
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-12-19 16:28:37 and read 2768 times.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 35):
I notice that AA has not announced any new destinations with the 77W. Horton has hinted to MIA-NRT in the past, and the other rumored route, DFW-ICN, is about to begin.

Publicly.

Internally AA has announced a huge expansion plan. All the public knows is DFW-BOG and MIA-CWB-POA-MIA. Wish we knew what was on there, but AA outlined an insanely detailed international growth strategy internally that will grow its international flying substantially, and where all five hubs will benefit.

The redacted PDF is here:

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/f...esentation-to-APA-Dec.-13-2012.pdf


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