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Topic: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2012-12-08 06:29:23 and read 36278 times.

It's been a while since we have had one of these, and I'm not sure about the correct number, but the latest i found was number 30, please correct me if I'm wrong.

I can announce that LX is to get a new A320 with sharklets in march, unfotunately it will be the only example within the fleet for the time being, as all other do not/will not have them installed.

Secondly, I was looking for flights to Africa in may, and stumbled across QRs offer, saying that ZRH-DOH will be operated by their new 787s. Can anyone confirm that?

Thirdly, we're hearing here that LX's decision on the replacement of the A340s has been made, but I cannot disclose anything else at this time, I don't want to run into trouble  

Take care everyone, and I hope you have all been smarter than me and actually had your cars equipped with winter tires  

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: KL911
Posted 2012-12-08 06:59:02 and read 36256 times.

Hi Sandro,

I noticed a Swiss A321 taking of from BUD to ZRH just now, I guess because of the cancellations yesterday. Nice change.
In 10 days I'll be flying with Swiss for the first time, looking forward to it.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2012-12-08 14:23:51 and read 35982 times.

Hi Sandro,

Indeed it has been a while since we had this topic up and running!

Will it be a brand-new 320?

Also I can't wait to know what the 340 will be replaced with! 

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: yamatthey
Posted 2012-12-08 14:53:36 and read 35967 times.

Quoting SandroZRH (Thread starter):
Secondly, I was looking for flights to Africa in may, and stumbled across QRs offer, saying that ZRH-DOH will be operated by their new 787s. Can anyone confirm that?

Yes, this is correct. Qatar Airways will start his Boeing 787 operations from both Geneva and Zurich pretty soon (very early 2013).

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2012-12-10 00:37:29 and read 35256 times.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):

Enjoy!

Quoting DALCE (Reply 2):

Yes, it will be a new A320.

Quoting yamatthey (Reply 3):

Thx   

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ZRH
Posted 2012-12-10 09:37:28 and read 35064 times.

Quoting SandroZRH (Thread starter):
Thirdly, we're hearing here that LX's decision on the replacement of the A340s has been made, but I cannot disclose anything else at this time, I don't want to run into trouble

Thank's Sandro for the interesting info. I understand that you must tell about the 340 replacement. But do you probably know when SWISS will inform?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: FlySwiss
Posted 2012-12-10 12:45:04 and read 34985 times.

I think the A340 replacement will be the B777ER. It is the only wide body with the least waiting time.

Any idea what LX will do with the two A333 which will be delivred next year, in March and October if I'm correct.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ZRH
Posted 2012-12-10 12:52:28 and read 34968 times.

Quoting FlySwiss (Reply 6):
Any idea what LX will do with the two A333 which will be delivred next year, in March and October if I'm correct.

I guess they have to replace 340 on some routes for the "new" destination SIN.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2012-12-10 13:09:22 and read 34950 times.

Quoting SandroZRH (Thread starter):
I can announce that LX is to get a new A320 with sharklets in march, unfotunately it will be the only example within the fleet for the time being, as all other do not/will not have them installed.

Aren't they also due a A321 in April? Will there be sharklets on that bird as well?

Quoting yamatthey (Reply 3):
Yes, this is correct. Qatar Airways will start his Boeing 787 operations from both Geneva and Zurich pretty soon (very early 2013).

So far only ZRH has been confirmed, along with LHR, double daily FRA and double daily MUC.

http://airlineroute.net/2012/11/30/qr-787-s13/

Quoting FlySwiss (Reply 6):
Any idea what LX will do with the two A333 which will be delivred next year, in March and October if I'm correct.

The PEK route will change to A333 on March 30th and will free up the A343s for the new SIN route. The A333 coming online in October should open up more room for expansion as far as I know.

[Edited 2012-12-10 13:09:52]

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: AntonovA330
Posted 2012-12-10 13:15:50 and read 34948 times.

Quoting SandroZRH (Thread starter):
It's been a while since we have had one of these, and I'm not sure about the correct number, but the latest i found was number 30, please correct me if I'm wrong.

That's quite right.

Quoting FlySwiss (Reply 6):
I think the A340 replacement will be the B777ER. It is the only wide body with the least waiting time.

Ok I'm gonna say it'll be the A350 for the sake of fleet commonality.   BTW are we talking about a partly replacement or an entire sweep?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: nyswiss
Posted 2012-12-11 00:41:48 and read 34769 times.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 8):
The PEK route will change to A333 on March 30th and will free up the A343s for the new SIN route. The A333 coming online in October should open up more room for expansion as far as I know.

From what we heard in the past, IAD or AUH might be considered as new destinations.

For the 2 new 330's, do they come in the version with extended range which Airbus introduced recently ? It might allow Swiss to use the 330 for destinations like BKK

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: someone83
Posted 2012-12-11 00:50:55 and read 34756 times.

Quoting nyswiss (Reply 10):
do they come in the version with extended range which Airbus introduced recently ?

That is not available untill 2015

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: FlySwiss
Posted 2012-12-13 03:57:45 and read 34427 times.

Last Ocotober LX received the 13th A333 HB-JHM. Which long haul flights did LX increase with this aircraft?
The only increased long haul destination I saw for the winter time table is Miami. But LX took the aircarft which flew 4 additional weekly flights to ORD during the summer.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: nyswiss
Posted 2012-12-20 01:42:26 and read 33855 times.

Quoting FlySwiss (Reply 12):
Last Ocotober LX received the 13th A333 HB-JHM. Which long haul flights did LX increase with this aircraft?
The only increased long haul destination I saw for the winter time table is Miami. But LX took the aircarft which flew 4 additional weekly flights to ORD during the summer.

I think the new 330 replaced 340 capacity needed for PEK.

The capacity for the 4 weekly rotations comes out the cancelled Cameroon service

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2012-12-20 03:18:23 and read 33773 times.

Quoting FlySwiss (Reply 12):
Last Ocotober LX received the 13th A333 HB-JHM. Which long haul flights did LX increase with this aircraft?
The only increased long haul destination I saw for the winter time table is Miami. But LX took the aircarft which flew 4 additional weekly flights to ORD during the summer.

The most likely explanation would be that they have more aircraft in maintenance during the winter. There have also been quite a few short-haul flights operated with LX A333 in the past weeks to BCN, DUS, HAJ and GVA. There's also currently a LH 733 operating for Swiss that usually does two flights a day to each GVA and TXL.
Is LX short on short-haul aircraft or crews again? Maybe some LX insider can shed light on that topic.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2012-12-20 03:33:54 and read 33758 times.

We had an LX A340 here at AMS a couple of weeks ago.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: IwantaBBJ
Posted 2013-01-04 01:20:32 and read 32970 times.

Qatar will start using the B787 to ZRH from Jan 14th on:

http://airlineroute.net/2013/01/03/qr-muczrh-jan13/

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: viasa
Posted 2013-01-04 03:52:52 and read 32863 times.

Quoting FlySwiss (Reply 12):
Last Ocotober LX received the 13th A333 HB-JHM. Which long haul flights did LX increase with this aircraft?

HB-JHM will be operated by Edelweiss Air soon: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...-operate-a330-300-for-swiss-to-jfk

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-01-04 08:15:50 and read 32715 times.

Will HB-JHM be repainted in WK colors?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ka
Posted 2013-01-04 08:54:14 and read 32677 times.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 18):
Will HB-JHM be repainted in WK colors?

No, nothing will be changed.

Ka.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: vegas005
Posted 2013-01-04 11:53:46 and read 32578 times.

Quoting SandroZRH (Thread starter):

Aviation Week in th Dec 12 issue makes it clear the A340-600 will be used as stopgap until the A350-1000 arrives. With the reintroduction of Singapore, Swiss needs the fuel economy savings now.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: FlySwiss
Posted 2013-01-04 13:50:13 and read 32501 times.

Quoting nyswiss (Reply 10):

No, only for the A343.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-01-05 12:23:57 and read 32222 times.

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 20):
Aviation Week in th Dec 12 issue makes it clear the A340-600 will be used as stopgap until the A350-1000 arrives. With the reintroduction of Singapore, Swiss needs the fuel economy savings now.

Do I correctly understand that the 350-1000 is confirmed for SWISS? And till then they fly the 346 (from where?)?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: vegas005
Posted 2013-01-06 02:06:05 and read 32009 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 22):
Quoting vegas005 (Reply 20):
Aviation Week in th Dec 12 issue makes it clear the A340-600 will be used as stopgap until the A350-1000 arrives. With the reintroduction of Singapore, Swiss needs the fuel economy savings now.

Do I correctly understand that the 350-1000 is confirmed for SWISS? And till then they fly the 346 (from where?)?

Not confirmed, just their opinion based on all the facts and fleet commonality issues (not to mention pilot shortage due to overtime rules). I would not think Swiss can afford to divide the pilot teams into Boeing and Airbus based on the fact that they don't have enough pilots now!

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: HAJFlyer
Posted 2013-01-06 04:30:13 and read 31882 times.

Quoting nyswiss (Reply 10):
From what we heard in the past, IAD or AUH might be considered as new destinations.

IAD is already served by UA from ZRH. Given the amount of capacity between ZRH and the northeast, I doubt that LX would want to go there; however, IAH or DEN would be a feasible option as they are the only star hubs in the US without a direct flight from ZRH.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: Semaex
Posted 2013-01-06 08:02:48 and read 32008 times.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 14):
Is LX short on short-haul aircraft or crews again? Maybe some LX insider can shed light on that topic.

A question I am very interested in too. How is Swiss European doing? Methinks that they are quite short on staff, as the 20 Avros will be replaced by 30 C's and I hear talk of the daughter company lending pilots to mother LX. Is that true?

Quoting ZRH (Reply 22):
Do I correctly understand that the 350-1000 is confirmed for SWISS? And till then they fly the 346 (from where?)?

From LH, which are replacing some A346 routes with the B748 and will continue to do so, given their large outstanding order of that aircraft.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-01-07 01:08:42 and read 31760 times.

What I find interesting is that the rumours about LX getting some 346's are kicking back every now and then. Is there something confirmed yet from LX or LH?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ka
Posted 2013-01-07 02:53:46 and read 32262 times.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 26):
What I find interesting is that the rumours about LX getting some 346's are kicking back every now and then. Is there something confirmed yet from LX or LH?

No, just rumors. Actually LH A346 have been ruled out by LX' CEO.

...but there are nice other frames available on the market in the right number (VS- 4 immediatly, 3 later).
disclaimer: this is a rumor.

Ka.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: helvknight
Posted 2013-01-08 05:26:07 and read 31847 times.

Quoting yamatthey (Reply 3):
Yes, this is correct. Qatar Airways will start his Boeing 787 operations from both Geneva and Zurich pretty soon (very early 2013).

According to the res system the 787 will depart ZRH Mon, Wed and Fri at 11:20. Other days it's an A330.

That's a pain as I can't get down to the end of R34 to get a shot of it since I need to work.   

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: mozart
Posted 2013-01-08 05:43:30 and read 31843 times.

There is a lot of confusion in the various forums about the "Edelweiss A330 to JFK". Some sources say that Edelweiss will operate one flight to JFK, with an aircraft owned by Edelweiss. Others say that it will be an LX plane but that cockpit and cabin crew will be from WK.

Maybe it's something inbetween, along the lines of the discussion above, i.e. that it is a plane that is owned by Edelweiss, operated by Edelweiss crew, but paint and interior design are Swiss. So anyone who doesn't look to carefully would think that this is like any other Swiss A330.

Anyone has some confirmed details about this? Wouldn't like to miss my usual LX F Cabin to JFK...

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ka
Posted 2013-01-08 08:22:14 and read 31730 times.

Quoting mozart (Reply 29):
Anyone has some confirmed details about this? Wouldn't like to miss my usual LX F Cabin to JFK...

It will be HB-JHM. LX-c/s, LX-Interiors, LX-First, LX-Business, LX-Eco.
The a/c will be transferred to the AOC of WK to enable them to use WK crews on board. That is why GDS show it to be "owned by WK".

To the pax there will be NO difference.

Unlucky marketing by LX, though.
Ka.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: point2point
Posted 2013-01-08 09:26:50 and read 31648 times.

Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 24):
however, IAH or DEN would be a feasible option as they are the only star hubs in the US without a direct flight from ZRH.

With ZRH, DEN has about 23 O&D PDEW and IAH has about 13 O&D PDEW here.

Unless probably summer seasonal and less than daily, DEN could barely work. Even seems less so with IAH.

But nonetheless, it would be neat to see LX livery at DEN, but not at all holding my breath. Other EU areas have larger O&D from DEN, such as CDG, AMS, FCO and MUC, but none are *A hubs like ZRH except MUC. It's interesting that when LH flew MUC-DEN just a few years ago and this being hub-to-hub with only some 27 O&D PDEW; the flight booked full, but LH discontinued it supposedly due to cannibalism of premium pax from its FRA-DEN flight. Maybe if premium pax increase here, ZRH-DEN could eventually be a possibility.

As for IAH, you would think that will all of the oil $$$$ in the area, that there would maybe be a large Swiss market and that a lot of these people would like to be visiting their $$$$ there more often, and that there would be more pax here for a nonstop to be possible, but the low O&D pax numbers here surprise me. Probably GCM is an easier place to go to visit $$$$.



 

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: vegas005
Posted 2013-01-08 09:32:50 and read 31645 times.

Quoting ka (Reply 30):

Quoting mozart (Reply 29):
Anyone has some confirmed details about this? Wouldn't like to miss my usual LX F Cabin to JFK...

It will be HB-JHM. LX-c/s, LX-Interiors, LX-First, LX-Business, LX-Eco.
The a/c will be transferred to the AOC of WK to enable them to use WK crews on board. That is why GDS show it to be "owned by WK".

To the pax there will be NO difference.

Unlucky marketing by LX, though.
Ka.

The Edelweiss crew are awesome and will do a wonderful job on this route. I've flown them many times and been very impressed with them.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: runway23
Posted 2013-01-15 02:47:27 and read 31067 times.

ZRH and GVA both published the passenger numbers for 2012. Both saw growth ZRH (+1.9%), GVA (+5.9%). Total passenger numbers being 24.8 mio for ZRH and 13.9 mio for GVA.

Perhaps more surprising is when you look at both airport figures for O&D traffic (excluding all connecting passengers). ZRH's connecting traffic accounts for 35% of their passenger numbers whereas in GVA this is only 4%.

Local traffic only, ZRH had 16.2 mio passengers, whereas GVA had 13.3 mio. Seems weird to see both airports within 20% range for local traffic.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: RJ100
Posted 2013-01-15 03:55:00 and read 30947 times.

And BSL 5'354'758 (+6%).

For 2013 a growth of 3% is expected.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LXA340
Posted 2013-01-15 12:49:59 and read 30697 times.

Quoting SandroZRH (Thread starter):
I can announce that LX is to get a new A320 with sharklets in march, unfotunately it will be the only example within the fleet for the time being, as all other do not/will not have them installed.

At some point not too long I assume we should see an order for the NEO as it will get time at some point to start replace the soon 20 year old majority of the A32S fleet.

Quoting ka (Reply 27):

No, just rumors. Actually LH A346 have been ruled out by LX' CEO.

The B777 / 787 doesn't make any sense in my eyes as the A330/340 or in the future A330/A350? seems to be the most economical for the SWISS business model. It is efficient enables more flexibility which is very much so needed with the staff shortage LX faces and probably will do so for a longer time. The only Boeing option that would make sense is a all B787 long haul fleet but this will not happen as SWISS obviously just got and is getting A333's.

Nevertheless it wouldn't be a bad idea to do something about the A343's at least the 5 oldest frames for which the A346 looks like a good temporary solution

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: timbuk
Posted 2013-01-20 05:40:05 and read 30142 times.

Can anyone tell me if AF canceled their BRN - CDG Route in April 2013?

I tried to book a flight without success.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: Mozart
Posted 2013-01-20 14:25:22 and read 29866 times.

Quoting timbuk (Reply 36):
Can anyone tell me if AF canceled their BRN - CDG Route in April 2013?

They cancelled BRN-ORY. BRN-CDG hasn't been served in a very long time.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: Alsatian
Posted 2013-01-20 14:49:06 and read 29816 times.

Quoting Mozart (Reply 37):
They cancelled BRN-ORY.

Is it official ?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: RJ100
Posted 2013-01-21 03:55:45 and read 29619 times.

Yes, it is confirmed by AF in the local press.

Also TGV reduced trains from Berne to Paris from 2 daily to one daily and is thinking about dropping it.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: Alsatian
Posted 2013-01-21 06:38:00 and read 29461 times.

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 39):

Thank you. Bad news for BRN but definitly an opportunity for Sky Work to fill the gap.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ka
Posted 2013-01-21 07:46:22 and read 29464 times.

On vielfliegertreff.de it has been reported that LX will finally begin outfitting its A340 with the new First Class seats starting 2013.
Anymore information about this?

Ka.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: phofmannsair
Posted 2013-01-22 06:36:14 and read 29011 times.

Hi everyone,

This is my first post in the forum, I finaly decided to join after a few years following the Swiss Aviation Thread!

I just read on bloomberg's website, that SWISS is also thinking about the Boeing 748i as the Airbus A340-300 replacement: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...de-following-parent-lufthansa.html

What are your thougths?


And by the way, any news about some (LH?) A340-600 joining the fleet (with the opening of SIN in May13?) ?


Regards,


Patrick.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: Semaex
Posted 2013-01-23 08:36:03 and read 28639 times.

Quoting phofmannsair (Reply 42):

Welcome to the Forum!   

There are a few interesting bits in the article you mention:

Swiss considering the A350, B777 and B748. Not the A380 though, which is too big for SWISS, Hohmeister says.
However, the article mentions that while the (LH) B748 has the same amount of first seats as the (LX) A343, it has twice as many in business and economy. That is a hefty increase in capacity methinks.

Quote:
Swiss is also working with Bombardier Inc. (BBD/B) on specifications for the 30 CSeries jets it has ordered, and that model, too, could win more purchases for a wider application across the group, Hohmeister said.

I didn't know that SWISS still has options on modifications of specifications for the C-Series. I had thought that the program is so far advanced that this wasn't possible anymore.

Also a little interesting hint beyond the borders of Switzerland:

Quote:
“We’ll develop it with Bombardier and if other Lufthansa units want it, it’ll be similar or the same,” Hohmeister said.

No real news that LX is struggeling a lot under the Franc, which make cost cutting very difficult.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: PITrules
Posted 2013-01-26 17:48:09 and read 28132 times.

Does anyone have this Swissair book which was just released? It looks to be a very nice book, but I wanna be sure before I shell out $65

http://www.amazon.com/Swissair-Souve...359251063&sr=8-1&keywords=Swissair

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: phofmannsair
Posted 2013-01-30 10:25:26 and read 27546 times.

PrivatAir will lease HB-IEE to Equatorial Congo Airlines (EC Air).
The A/C will flew tomorrow to Manston for paint and will be refurbished there too.

No news if she'll be registrated before delivery to the african airline.


Regards,

Patrick.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-01-31 11:20:04 and read 27230 times.

Quoting phofmannsair (Reply 42):
I just read on bloomberg's website, that SWISS is also thinking about the Boeing 748i as the Airbus A340-300 replacement

This was discussed in this thread:

Swiss Considering 748 As 343 Replacement

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LXA340
Posted 2013-02-02 05:08:43 and read 26907 times.

Haven't found any writen info about it however looks like ZRH has replaced all the jetbridges at the A Dock throught 2012. Now all jetbridges at ZRH have windows from bottom to top, really nice addition.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: laca773
Posted 2013-02-02 05:46:06 and read 26900 times.

Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 24):
IAD is already served by UA from ZRH. Given the amount of capacity between ZRH and the northeast, I doubt that LX would want to go there; however, IAH or DEN would be a feasible option as they are the only star hubs in the US without a direct flight from ZRH.

I don't see DEN ever starting ever. I think LH's operation @ DEN can be tricky at times due to the demand. Perhaps IAH since it is a larger hub and does have international transit from Mexico, Central and South America, though I think that won't happen either. I think the only way for IAH-ZRH to work is to have UA fly it with a 76W or 787, or perhaps Privatair with a 73G/73H.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: RJ100
Posted 2013-02-04 07:34:24 and read 26458 times.

Unfortunately some more bad news for Berne airport...

SkyWork is dropping Belgrade and is reducing Zagreb to one weekly flight. Amsterdam and Vienna will see reduced frequency as well.

They will, however, launch a weekly Basel to Elba flight every Saturday for the summer season.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ka
Posted 2013-02-04 09:42:21 and read 26370 times.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 47):
Haven't found any writen info about it however looks like ZRH has replaced all the jetbridges at the A Dock throught 2012. Now all jetbridges at ZRH have windows from bottom to top, really nice addition.

2 are missing, as we speak. will be completed in the next weeks.

Ka.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: RJ100
Posted 2013-02-06 04:22:04 and read 25989 times.

Long time rumoured, now official: easyJet ist basing an 8th aircraft in Basel as per April 2013. The new aircraft will be an A-320 and will be used to increase flights to France, Gatwick and Berlin (up to 5x daily). Antalya (seasonal) and Catania (year round) will be two new destinations.

The Basel fleet now consists of 5 A-319 and 3 A-320.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-02-10 03:12:48 and read 25936 times.

In the NZZ am Sonntag (Febr 10) there is an article about new aircrafts for SWISS (only online for subscribers). The CEO Harry Hohmeister seems to favor the 777 to replace the 343. He also wants to join the pilot corps Airbus and AVRO (soon CS). He wants to fly more European routes with CS than with the small Airbus. SWISS makes profit on long-haul but not on the European routes (like most network airlines). The worst seem to be routes out of GVA and BSL.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LXA340
Posted 2013-02-10 07:53:32 and read 25742 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 52):

I can't imagine LX getting the B77W, the B787 or A350 seem the most realistic scenario. The rumour of LX getting the B748 would also be nice...However either the future long haul fleet will be all Airbus or Boeing but not a mix of both.

For the pilot corps, maybe what he wants to do is to seperate long haul pilot corps and regional / medium haul corps completely. So far a lot of A32S pilots were cross trained to fly both short haul and long haul. Sounds like a good thing from the cost side as prices in Europe are under preasure. Even if the strategy will not work, sooner or later when it comes to the renewal of the A32S Airbus fleet we will see part of them, at least the A319's be replaced by the C Jet which will increase the "Swiss European" pilot corps.

No wonder that BSL and GVA are the worst performers in Europe, out of these airports there is the most competition of low cost carriers. Let's see if building up a regional management team in GVA will contribute to save or increase the operational costs

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-02-10 09:42:33 and read 25603 times.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 53):
I can't imagine LX getting the B77W, the B787 or A350 seem the most realistic scenario.

I agree. I see the 350-900 and -1000. The 787 will be too small unless the -1000 comes. But if, when? The only problem, can they wait till the 350 is in service?
They said that the two pilot corps should be joined that also CS-pilots can change to long-haul.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LXA340
Posted 2013-02-10 10:01:00 and read 25580 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 54):
I agree. I see the 350-900 and -1000. The 787 will be too small unless the -1000 comes. But if, when? The only problem, can they wait till the 350 is in service?
They said that the two pilot corps should be joined that also CS-pilots can change to long-haul.

I wonder why LX couldn't take over A346's, there should be enough on the market, to replace at least the 6 oldest A340's as a interim's solution until A350's are available.Nevertheless if SWISS will not replace the A340's with another aircraft for the time being, the refit of the First and Economy Class should be strongly considered again togeher with the replacement of the Entertainment System, although AVOD is ageing and often doesn't work smoothly.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: Douglasyxz
Posted 2013-02-10 10:08:45 and read 25565 times.

According to LH-Taufnamen.de/swiss majority of LX 343 fleet is not even 10 years old. Just 5 of them, ex Air Canda and Austrian are older. The entire A333 fleet is brand-new with 2 more frames to come this year. I really can't believe LX can afford to have a small sub-fleet of 5-10 Boeing aircraft.
So it's just about a little capacity increase (346) and stop-gap until 350 EIS.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-02-10 10:40:53 and read 25534 times.

Quoting Douglasyxz (Reply 56):

According to LH-Taufnamen.de/swiss majority of LX 343 fleet is not even 10 years old. Just 5 of them, ex Air Canda and Austrian are older. The entire A333 fleet is brand-new with 2 more frames to come this year. I really can't believe LX can afford to have a small sub-fleet of 5-10 Boeing aircraft.
So it's just about a little capacity increase (346) and stop-gap until 350 EIS.

I absolutely agree. There is no reason to replace all 343 in the next few years. SWISS could need a 5 to 6 bigger frames for the oldest 343. Here the 777 is a no go. Because for only such a little fleet, an extra pilot corps is senseless.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: Douglasyxz
Posted 2013-02-10 11:06:20 and read 25494 times.

Quoting ZRH" class="quote" target="_blank">ZRH (Reply 57):

Exactly, LX would lose flexibility and increase costs. They would have to provide dedicated and certified maintenance staff and spares on site in ZRH and GVA. That doesn't makes any sense since the costs would eat up the revenues of larger aircraft.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LXA340
Posted 2013-02-11 12:10:10 and read 25134 times.

Quoting Douglasyxz (Reply 58):

Exactly, LX would lose flexibility and increase costs. They would have to provide dedicated and certified maintenance staff and spares on site in ZRH and GVA. That doesn't makes any sense since the costs would eat up the revenues of larger aircraft.

For some reason the A346 story also wasn't favored. Maintenance wise it shouldn't be an issue as SRTechnics has the license for the A346. Don't think SR Technics has license for B777's at ZRH?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: dtswi
Posted 2013-02-16 05:45:06 and read 24637 times.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 55):

I totally agree with you...

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-02-18 02:38:47 and read 24183 times.

When can we expect a confirmation from LX about the 343 replacements and/or expansion of the longhaul fleet?
We are debating for ages already, but as always the A.netters are in more of a hurry than the airlines themselves

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-02-18 03:10:59 and read 24148 times.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 61):
When can we expect a confirmation from LX about the 343 replacements and/or expansion of the longhaul fleet?
We are debating for ages already, but as always the A.netters are in more of a hurry than the airlines themselves

If it is linked with Lufthansa's own 343 decision, they have previously signalled Q3 2013 AFAIK

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: AntonovA330
Posted 2013-02-21 01:17:14 and read 23758 times.

According to Aero.de, LX will get 6 B777
http://www.aero.de/news-16911/Luftha...12-operativen-Gewinnrueckgang.html

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: vegas005
Posted 2013-02-21 01:33:16 and read 23732 times.

777 for Swiss...who will fly them? Will there be crew trained just for the 777?....dosen't seem to make sense to me but it would be a pretty bird in Swiss paint!

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-02-21 03:17:32 and read 23626 times.

Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 63):
According to Aero.de, LX will get 6 B777

I actually only believe it when I see the birds in SWISS livery. To have an extra pilot corps for only 6 frames makes absolutely no sense. Especially when you also consider the pilot shortage they already have. They would lose flexibility.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: AntonovA330
Posted 2013-02-21 03:56:18 and read 23564 times.

It was discussed on FT as well, somebody claimed LX will get them in exchange for the 6 leased A343s.

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 64):
.dosen't seem to make sense to me but it would be a pretty bird in Swiss paint!
Quoting ZRH (Reply 65):
I actually only believe it when I see the birds in SWISS livery.

  

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2013-02-21 09:07:39 and read 23364 times.

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 64):
777 for Swiss...who will fly them? Will there be crew trained just for the 777?....dosen't seem to make sense to me but it would be a pretty bird in Swiss paint!

According to what they told us, negotiations for types are still ongoing with both manufacturers (actual quote from company-mail). I would take that article with a grain of salt.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LXA340
Posted 2013-02-21 13:14:18 and read 23230 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 65):

I actually only believe it when I see the birds in SWISS livery. To have an extra pilot corps for only 6 frames makes absolutely no sense. Especially when you also consider the pilot shortage they already have. They would lose flexibility.

Anything but Airbus would be a big suprise. I assume SWISS could replace the 6 ageing A343's in 2015 with A333's, I think they will have by then a version with extended MTOW that has simmilar range to the A343. Otherwise there is always the option to rent some A346's

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: laca773
Posted 2013-03-01 03:50:46 and read 22377 times.

Even though LX has been an all Airbus carrier for quite sometime, I feel the 777, would be an ideal a/c for them. It would allow them to retire the quads. In turn, the 777, would be a much more efficient a/c for LX to operate in markets where it's not possible to send the A333s.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2013-03-05 09:35:22 and read 21827 times.

Yet another airline (after Alitalia and CSA) will return to Zurich:

Royal Air Maroc will resume flights from ZRH to Casablance from April 19.

Flights will operate three times per week (Wednesday, Friday, Sunday) using Boeing 737-700 aircraft.

Source: Booking tool on RAM website

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: vegas005
Posted 2013-03-05 22:28:36 and read 21558 times.

Maybe Swiss will go 777 and hire fully trained pilots? They are short pilots anyway? Would this be feasible?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: Semaex
Posted 2013-03-06 03:37:23 and read 21372 times.

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 71):
Maybe Swiss will go 777 and hire fully trained pilots? They are short pilots anyway? Would this be feasible?

I don't think that would go well with the other LX staff. It's quite unusual for a legacy carrier to hire all new pilots for a specific subfleet, especially if they are not only F/Os but also DECs. I doubt long-time F/Os on medium-haul would just approve of that.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: douglasyxz
Posted 2013-03-06 11:23:13 and read 21158 times.

What if LH has already decided internally to replace all 340 by 77X, both in LH and LX's fleet and the 6 frames of 777 for LX (if the rumor becomes truth) is just meant as a stop-gap with a buy-back guaranty from Boeing?
If a single 777 will be part of the current 108 planes deal, I would assume the big order in Q3 will include even more of them.

Nevertheless, I would expect LH choosing A over B for the fleet renewal and the 8 WB currently on the table consist of 388 and 748.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-03-07 00:25:36 and read 20863 times.

Are there any pictures available for the new LX 320 with sharklets?
And when is it due for delivery to LX?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2013-03-07 02:55:53 and read 20761 times.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 74):

Are there any pictures available for the new LX 320 with sharklets?
And when is it due for delivery to LX?

Haven't seen any pictures on the web. It's supposed to arrive around March 15. The plane is scheduled to operate ZRH-DME (and possibly GVA-DME) starting March 18 as per Zurich Airport website.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: flyingturtle
Posted 2013-03-07 05:43:24 and read 20664 times.

The EU court has, upon appeal by the Swiss government, decided that the Nachtflugverbot over Germany is right:

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...eizer-Beschwerde-ab/story/29464025

Between 21 and 7 hours, aircraft can't approach ZRH over Southern Germany. On the weekends and on holidays, the ban is between 20 and 9 hours.


David

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-03-08 01:13:57 and read 20671 times.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 75):
Haven't seen any pictures on the web. It's supposed to arrive around March 15. The plane is scheduled to operate ZRH-DME (and possibly GVA-DME) starting March 18 as per Zurich Airport website.

That's a pity  

I see that HB-JLT is currently planned for LX 1336 GVA-DME both on March 18 & 19.

For me it is a surprise that the new bird will start ops out of GVA iso ZRH.
Good for GVA though!  

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: phofmannsair
Posted 2013-03-08 08:51:33 and read 20441 times.

The Swiss Confederation is about to get a "new" aircraft for official use: a F900EX. She was build in 2007 and was used by the Principality of Monaco as 3A-MGA. She'll be re-imatriculated as T-785 and fly from Bern as of June 2013!

Press release:
in french
in german
Sorry nothing in english.

Regards, Patrick.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ka
Posted 2013-03-08 09:37:13 and read 20396 times.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 74):
Are there any pictures available for the new LX 320 with sharklets?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/xfwspotter/8538768215/

...but why did they have to put the + on the sharklets??

Ka.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-03-08 10:26:31 and read 20315 times.

Quoting ka (Reply 79):
..but why did they have to put the + on the sharklets??

Why not? Looks good.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: runway23
Posted 2013-03-08 10:29:27 and read 20332 times.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 77):
That's a pity  

I see that HB-JLT is currently planned for LX 1336 GVA-DME both on March 18 & 19.

For me it is a surprise that the new bird will start ops out of GVA iso ZRH.
Good for GVA though!  

It's not really a surprise given that the DME flights to/from GVA turnaround in DME and come/go to Zurich in a W pattern.

DME is also one of the longest flights LX have with their 320 fleet, so putting aircraft that are more fuel efficient on those flights makes sense.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-03-08 13:37:24 and read 20218 times.

I didn't know the DME flights were in W-pattern. In this case it really does make sense. GVA/ZRH-DME are the longest sectors on the 320-fleet of LX.

@ka

Thanks for posting the pic! I like the small Swiss flag on the sharklets, better dan boring white/grey.
With the removal of the SWISS cubes from the engines I tend do dislike the red/white balance on the livery, and this makes up at least partly  

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: swissgabe
Posted 2013-03-14 00:58:36 and read 19708 times.

I haven't seen it around here anywhere but obviously it has been confirmed by Travel Inside that Swiss just purchased 6 Boeing 777-300ER which will be deployed on some of the following routes: San Francisco, Los Angeles, Sao Paolo, Bangkok, Hongkong, Shanghai, Beijing, Johannesburg and Singapore. Source (german only): http://www.travelinside.ch/travelins...e/notdArchiv.php?we_objectID=26745



[Edited 2013-03-14 00:59:42]

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2013-03-14 01:03:01 and read 19723 times.

Quoting swissgabe (Reply 83):

Yes, it's confirmed. And before anyone asks, no, I will not transfer to the T7  

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-03-14 02:07:33 and read 19585 times.

Despite all the rumours I'm surprised to see the 77W entering the LX fleet, especially since it is only as of 2016 onwards.
It sure is a very competitive machine, but I expected to see LX operating 748's on the long run, and in between some 2nd hand 346's to maintain fleet commonality for the time being.
Nevertheless I'm happy LX invests in the longhaul fleet with larger aircraft in stead of renewal within the same size.
Will be interesting now to see when a follow-up order will be placed to replace the other 343's.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: FatmirJusufi
Posted 2013-03-14 02:10:53 and read 19552 times.

A perfect combination indeed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtlOGzw6UHE

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: The777Man
Posted 2013-03-14 02:15:53 and read 19555 times.

Hi !

I'm VERY happy to see LX get the 777! LX is such a great carrier and I think the 777 will work out great for them.

I'm very much looking forward to fly on that eventually. I'm especially happy that they will fly to Los Angeles, my hometown.


The777Man

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: envone
Posted 2013-03-14 03:37:04 and read 19374 times.

I can't wait for those 77W operating out of ZRH. Do we know anything about the engines?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-03-14 03:45:03 and read 19352 times.

Quoting envone (Reply 88):
Do we know anything about the engines?

Hopefully 2 per frame  

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2013-03-14 03:57:52 and read 19314 times.

Quoting envone (Reply 88):
Do we know anything about the engines?

The 77W flies exclusively with GE90-115B1 engines.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LXLucien
Posted 2013-03-14 04:43:46 and read 19255 times.

As I already said in the other Topic "LH Buys 100 A320...."
For me the 77W is just a solution to bridge over the years between the A340 and the A350...

In my head theres this Idea:

Swiss A340/A350 B777

Phase out the older A340 till 2019, (build 03/04 means JMA-JMI)
phase in the 77W from 2016 and sell (return to lessor) from 2020 onwards
phase in the A359 from 2018/19

Assuming the A359 or 10 is ready by 2018/19
I know it's rather pricey...
But If they wanted to change the whole fleet to 77W they would order between 15 and 20!
The newest A340 is only 5 years old, so it could easily fly till 2025.

[Edited 2013-03-14 04:45:46]

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: AntonovA330
Posted 2013-03-14 08:14:32 and read 19025 times.

So it was true after all... so there must have been other criterias which outweighed the commonality argument. I'm rather looking forward to it, especially on the cabin layout in Y and C. Any ideas how the current seating arrangement in C will fit in the 77W as its wider than 330/340?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ka
Posted 2013-03-14 10:50:58 and read 18879 times.

Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 92):
Any ideas how the current seating arrangement in C will fit in the 77W as its wider than 330/340?

I think the new OS C-class serves as a very good example...
Same (updated) seats, same airline group etc.

Ka.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LXLucien
Posted 2013-03-14 14:18:49 and read 18752 times.

Quoting ka (Reply 93):

I think the new OS C-class serves as a very good example...
Same (updated) seats, same airline group etc.

Good Point!

Here's a picture of it:


I guess it wont change that much...
BUT: Harry Hohmeister said, they will wait till the very last minute to decide which configuration and seat it will get as they want to see what's the latest out there (much will change in 3 years time)...
So maybe we will see an updated version of the now OS C-Class, with LX Style (means more wood and more black/white/gray instead of red).

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LXA340
Posted 2013-03-14 14:56:12 and read 18693 times.

Quoting ka (Reply 93):
I think the new OS C-class serves as a very good example...
Same (updated) seats, same airline group etc.

Ka.

I would say by 2016 something more advanced will be out there; for sure the scree of the monitors will be larger  

Well anyway, the LX pilots seemed to know the decision for quite a while, last August on my flight to EWR I was told already by the Pilot of the flight that B77W's will join the LX fleet in the next years, and no I didn't believe him at the time  Wink

What will now happen wiith the newer A343's HB-JMA-JMI, will they finally get the new F and Y product + updated IFE in order for these planes to be on par with the A333's?

I wonder when LX will anounce the replacement of the majority of the A32S fleet, possibly some of the 100 planes LH placed on order will be for LX?

[Edited 2013-03-14 14:57:47]

[Edited 2013-03-14 15:00:26]

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: vegas005
Posted 2013-03-15 06:53:25 and read 18380 times.

Quoting LXLucien (Reply 91):
s I already said in the other Topic "LH Buys 100 A320...."
For me the 77W is just a solution to bridge over the years between the A340 and the A350...

In my head theres this Idea:

Swiss A340/A350 B777

Phase out the older A340 till 2019, (build 03/04 means JMA-JMI)
phase in the 77W from 2016 and sell (return to lessor) from 2020 onwards
phase in the A359 from 2018/19

The cost implications to bring on the new type can't be amortized so quickly. The 777 is here to stay,,,

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LXA340
Posted 2013-03-15 14:49:31 and read 18151 times.

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 96):

The cost implications to bring on the new type can't be amortized so quickly. The 777 is here to stay,,,

Or to be converted as a frighter and sent to LH cargo when the A350 will arrive some years later  

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: OlafW
Posted 2013-03-15 17:23:50 and read 18087 times.

Considering that Swiss seems to be short on crews, might there be a possibility that both planes and crew are leased/hired temporarily? Or maybe new crews are hired on a contract which would allow them to be transferred to AeroLogic or Austrian? That way they could open up crew availability for the 330 fleet and then start training for the 350 crews later (provided the 350 is ordered by LH group) without having to requalify their own crews twice.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: douglasyxz
Posted 2013-03-16 01:39:11 and read 18029 times.

Quoting OlafW (Reply 98):

The next big order of LH scheduled for autumn 2013 will definitely give us a clear picture of the future of LH's group long-haul fleet. It's pure speculation to try to predict today how long the 77Ws will remain and how LX is going to handle the 777 crew issue.
I expect LH making a decision not only for mainline fleet. OS's 767 and LX 343 are due to be replaced mid-term too and I could imagine LH is making plans for the entire group already. Whether they publish the outcome for OS and LX this year it's the question.

Maybe, they know already and the 6 777 are a hint.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LXA340
Posted 2013-03-16 06:21:24 and read 17869 times.

Quoting douglasyxz (Reply 99):
Maybe, they know already and the 6 777 are a hint.

Given that LX was not interested to replace these ageing 6 A343's with second hand A346's that are available on the market as far as I know, not from LH. It currently really looks that LH had decided to replace the A343's with B77W's and depending on the future of the B777 they will in longer run go for the B77X or the A350. I still think that if LH decides to get rid very quickly of the B77W in the LX fleet after a couple of years these can be converted to frighters and go to LH Cargo which will need to replace the remaining newer MD11's also by around 2020. OS doesn't seem for me an option as the B77W is I think to big for their current business model.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ab1247
Posted 2013-03-16 09:28:47 and read 17742 times.

LXA340, I agree entirely on the 777-Freighter backup. The risk for the LH group as a whole is relatively low as they can convert the aircraft into Freighters after only a few years. The risk for LX, though, is high. They have historically been in a crew shortage, and this will in no way help!

That said, the 777 is also a very sly move on LH's part to put the pressure on both suppliers to be very competitive when it comes to their large-scale fleet renewal across LH/LX/OS. I have a bit of a feeling that many people in Airbus were saying the same thing that we were saying here: "there is no way that LH/LX will break fleet commonality to go for a better aircraft. I bet that Boeing is not definitely motivated to make a good offer, and Airbus has probably been shaken awake as well.

Of course, on medium/short haul, Boeing has absolutely no chance. Bombardier will probably help to replace the A319s (notice, no more orders for that bird), but that is all I expect on that front.

One question: Will SR Technics get B777 certified, or will these aicraft be maintained by LH or a contractor?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: aviationmaster
Posted 2013-03-25 03:59:52 and read 17359 times.

Not sure if it was announced anywhere, but it seems as if KBP will be a new LX destination with daily flights (LX2290/LX2291) beginning October 27th. Currently the destination is being offered via a code share flight operated by Ukraine International Airlines.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-03-25 04:16:10 and read 17358 times.

This has now been confirmed and is bookable as of (later) today :

SWISS will operate new daily services from Zurich to Kiev Borispol with Airbus A320.

NEW LX2290 ZRH-KBP 0945-1320 1234567 320 27Oct13-
NEW LX2291 KBP-ZRH 1410-1550 1234567 320 27Oct13-

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: AntonovA330
Posted 2013-03-25 05:41:41 and read 17227 times.

Quoting aviationmaster (Reply 102):
Not sure if it was announced anywhere, but it seems as if KBP will be a new LX destination with daily flights (LX2290/LX2291) beginning October 27th. Currently the destination is being offered via a code share flight operated by Ukraine International Airlines.

Wow, great news! Schedules seem to work well for connections, too. One question though: the press release states an A320 with 152 seats will operate the flight. LX' 320ies have a total of 168 seats. Does that mean, there will be a fix C-class count?
Talking about A320, now that JLT is backing up the fleet, I have read it has come with a new cabin - so, what exactly has been modified?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LXA340
Posted 2013-04-03 14:33:39 and read 16569 times.

Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 104):
Wow, great news! Schedules seem to work well for connections, too. One question though: the press release states an A320 with 152 seats will operate the flight. LX' 320ies have a total of 168 seats. Does that mean, there will be a fix C-class count?
Talking about A320, now that JLT is backing up the fleet, I have read it has come with a new cabin - so, what exactly has been modified?

Yes it's correct, the A320's can seat 168 seats in an all economy cabin. I don't know why they mentioned this number, but there will not be a fixed amount of seats dedicated to C, it will be adjusted based on demand for each flight. HB-JLT is the first SWISS A320 fitted with the Sharklet Winglets and additonally the cabin is fitted with a newer generation of seats "NEK" also found on the LH short haul fleet.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-04-05 02:55:33 and read 16241 times.

By the way, I don't know if it has been mentioned before but the first 77W for LX will wear HB-JNA as registration and will be delivered JAN16, with ops starting in FEB16.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LXA340
Posted 2013-04-06 07:09:42 and read 15878 times.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 106):
By the way, I don't know if it has been mentioned before but the first 77W for LX will wear HB-JNA as registration and will be delivered JAN16, with ops starting in FEB16.

WIll all 6 B77W's be delivered in 2016?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: RJ100
Posted 2013-04-07 05:43:40 and read 15602 times.

Some interesting route news from BSL:

KLM started a third daily flight to AMS in April with F-70.

easyJet based ist 8th aircraft in BSL during Easter time.

TwinJet starts 9 weekly flights to Lille effective May 13. The Airline already serves TLS and MRS from BSL, flights will be operated by Beech-1900 aircraft.

WizzAir will start flights from BSL to Tuzla in Bosnia/Herzegovina effective June 15. Flights will be twice weekly on A-320 aircraft. The Airline continues to operate flights to Skopje and Belgrade (3 weekly each).

Air France downgrades all Paris flights from Erj-170 and CRJ-1000 to ATR-72s. While the CDG route is stable, Orly still loses passengers to TGV (MLH-Paris Gare de Lyon in less than 3 hours). However it keeps the 9 daily flights (7 on Weekends).

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-04-15 23:49:01 and read 14875 times.

Seems like LX took delivery of HB-JHN yesterday

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-04-16 04:13:44 and read 14701 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 109):
Seems like LX took delivery of HB-JHN yesterday

This must be correct. On the SWISS page under "about SWISS, facts and figures" they say 14 A 333 per April 2013. JHN must be the 14th frame.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: Paolo92
Posted 2013-04-16 07:25:35 and read 14525 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 110):
This must be correct. On the SWISS page under "about SWISS, facts and figures" they say 14 A 333 per April 2013. JHN must be the 14th frame.

Correct indeed, @FlySWISS on twitter tweeted yesterday:

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: someone83
Posted 2013-04-17 13:15:57 and read 14192 times.

Seems like HB-ION, LX's next A321, had its first test flight today

http://xfw-spotter.blogspot.no/2013/...-swiss-d-avzg-hb-ion-msn-5567.html

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: b738FlyUIA
Posted 2013-04-21 10:15:21 and read 13674 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 112):
Seems like HB-ION, LX's next A321, had its first test flight today

http://xfw-spotter.blogspot.no/2013/....html

Thanks for sharing. So they are not fitted with Sharklets like the A320's that are delivered?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-04-21 12:01:39 and read 13571 times.

Quoting b738FlyUIA (Reply 113):
So they are not fitted with Sharklets like the A320's that are delivered?

The A321 (and A319) is not yet certified for winglets, although certification shouldn't be that far away

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: b738FlyUIA
Posted 2013-04-22 00:46:38 and read 13358 times.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 114):
The A321 (and A319) is not yet certified for winglets, although certification shouldn't be that far away

Thank you Someone83 for the info.

BTW, has anybody spotted the A320 HB-JLT at ZRH? Missed it last time I was there, just departed as arrived   I checked on Flightradar and can be that has been lately on the EDW routes? (if yes, makes sense to have a new aircraft for s subcarrier?)

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-04-22 01:08:30 and read 13346 times.

Quoting b738FlyUIA (Reply 115):
BTW, has anybody spotted the A320 HB-JLT at ZRH? Missed it last time I was there, just departed as arrived I checked on Flightradar and can be that has been lately on the EDW routes? (if yes, makes sense to have a new aircraft for s subcarrier?)

HB-JLT is currently being utilized on the longer stretches within the LX network.
DME,AGP,LIS,LED are some examples where she can regularly be seen.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: runway23
Posted 2013-04-22 02:21:14 and read 13279 times.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 116):
HB-JLT is currently being utilized on the longer stretches within the LX network.
DME,AGP,LIS,LED are some examples where she can regularly be seen.

One can easily track where the plane has been, by going on the following link: http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/hb-jlt/

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-04-26 03:08:18 and read 12920 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 112):
Seems like HB-ION, LX's next A321, had its first test flight today

Delivered

http://xfw-spotter.blogspot.sg/2013/...-swiss-d-avzg-hb-ion-msn-5567.html

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-04-26 03:26:16 and read 12923 times.

First scheduled flights for HB-ION are loaded on the 27th :

LX1726 27Apr ZRH FCO HBION
LX1838 27Apr ZRH ATH HBION

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: Azure
Posted 2013-04-27 09:13:34 and read 12630 times.

Good news for GVA that has received 13,9 m PAX in 2012 (+5,9 % in 1 year, compared with a sluggish +0,2% in the EU). In 10 years, the traffic has increased by an impressive +70%, while the airport has still 1 runway and no possibility to build a 2nd one. The airport authority estimates it has not reached saturation yet.
U2 is by far the largest operator : 5,3 m - + 10% in 1 year)
LX is 2nd with 2 m PAX.
The main destinations are London, Paris, Madrid and Amsterdam.

Source : http://www.air-journal.fr/2013-04-27...malgre-une-seule-piste-572268.html

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: b738FlyUIA
Posted 2013-04-29 02:34:10 and read 12316 times.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 118):

Quoting someone83 (Reply 112):
Seems like HB-ION, LX's next A321, had its first test flight today

Delivered

Sorry for the picture but spotted it at ZRH yesterday (28.04.2013) arriving from PMI as LX217M.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-04-29 05:59:26 and read 12182 times.

According Airfleets.net LX has stored HB-IPR since March 13, why is this as this is the newest of the few A319 LX operates.
I know they are not too happy with the 319's but why not use it across the network and replacement for a leased Fokker 100 or.....

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2013-04-29 06:25:53 and read 12153 times.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 122):
I know they are not too happy with the 319's but why not use it across the network and replacement for a leased Fokker 100 or.....

The contract for the four Fokker 100 optd by Helvetic runs until 2014, would be expensive to terminate the deal prematurely. Maybe they can get a good price for the A319s on the market.

Edit: I just see HB-IPR was leased from ILFC, so probably the expiration of the lease contract may explain things.

[Edited 2013-04-29 06:27:48]

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2013-04-30 07:06:18 and read 11881 times.

Helvetic will shortly take delivery of an A319 (ex Nas Air and Air Canada). It will fly charter routes from BRN to HER, KGS, RHO and from GVA to TFS, LPA, FUE, ACE, SSH, HRG, HER, KGS and RHO.

http://skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=8341

On another note, LX has today formally announced the commencement of flights from GVA to LED. Flights will begin on July 27th initially 2/7. From September 7th they will offer 3 flights per week using A319 or A320 aircraft. Exercising these flying rights between Switzerland and Russia makes it virtually impossible for easyJet to start flights from Geneva to LED and DME.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: viasa
Posted 2013-04-30 09:01:56 and read 11794 times.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 123):

Edit: I just see HB-IPR was leased from ILFC, so probably the expiration of the lease contract may explain things.

The aircraft was cancelled to Cote d'Ivoire (but future registration unknown), so next operator is Air Côte d'Ivoire: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...irst-own-airbus-a319#disqus_thread

I will be on board on the first flight of Helvetics A319s from ZRH to BRN on Friday (2L 319). Anybody else?

Here is the first picture of HB-JVK: http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=8341

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LXA340
Posted 2013-05-01 09:02:46 and read 11601 times.

On a completely different note, has LX decided to upgrade the F and Y cabins including the installation of a new IFE system for the 9 newly delivered A343's that will remain in the fleet for a while?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2013-05-01 10:47:12 and read 11795 times.

Hi Guy's and fellow A'netters...

Today I spotted a AA B767ER in the new livery leaving ZRH... A question: it was the first time with the new AA livery in ZRH?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2013-05-01 10:47:43 and read 11795 times.

Hi Guy's and fellow A'netters...

Today I spotted a AA B767ER in the new livery leaving ZRH... A question: it was the first time with the new AA livery in ZRH?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LXA340
Posted 2013-05-14 13:21:58 and read 11177 times.

I saw that yesterdays SWISS flight LX 288 to JNB was operated by an A333, will we see that plane used more often on that route as of now?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-05-21 03:10:13 and read 10702 times.

The new Pilatus aircraft PC-24 is revealed. It will be a two engine jet which is able to land on short and graveled runways. It has a big freight door. 425 kn (787 km/h), 3610 km range, up to 10 passengers.

http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/sto...-neue-Schweizer-Super-Jet-16332764

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/wirtscha...Geheimnis-gelueftet/story/10592940

(in German)

[Edited 2013-05-21 03:14:11]

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-05-31 12:52:18 and read 10114 times.

On the page of the tabloid newspaper Blick there is a short video about the first Helvetic A 319 and an interview with the owner Martin Ebner (sorry folks in Swiss-German):
short: more range, more seats, less costs per seat than the F 100. Therefore new destinations.

http://www.blick.ch/news/wirtschaft/...lz-von-martin-ebner-id2322629.html

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LONGisland89
Posted 2013-05-31 13:07:37 and read 10113 times.

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 127):
it was the first time with the new AA livery in ZRH?

I have been keeping track of the new livery 767s to see if any pics from ZRH were uploaded. The first one was N7375A that flew in on March 25th.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-06-05 15:55:56 and read 9691 times.

From January 2014 Emirates comes with a 380 to ZRH. One of the two daily 777 flights will change to an A 380. So Zurich will have two daily 380 flights (SQ since 2010 and EK). The airport CEO says that ZRH has at the moment three 380 capable gates.

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/wirtscha...-kommt-nach-Zuerich/story/31773757 (in German)

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: AF022
Posted 2013-06-08 23:43:46 and read 9368 times.

I'm curious why LX flies to NBO/DAR. This seems like an unusual route for them. I think it is their only intercontinental flight with an extension. DAR doesn't seem to be a high yield station and I thought they focused on high yield. Is it because LH doesn't fly to NBO?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: 330lover
Posted 2013-06-09 00:05:54 and read 9349 times.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 134):
I think it is their only intercontinental flight with an extension.

There's another one: ZRH-DXB-MCT

Unusual route, maybe, but the airline has a long history at NBO (be it formerly as Swissair).
Their only other African destination south of Sahara is JNB (and JRO but operated by Edelweiss).
DAR might not be high yielding pax wise, but could there be a very interesting cargo demand? Don't know, just asking.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-06-09 01:04:51 and read 9306 times.

Cargo is indeed one of the reasons why LX has the tag on to DAR. Yields are better to DAR than to NBO. Also demand is quite large.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: Someone83
Posted 2013-06-12 12:23:04 and read 8837 times.

Has Swiss started the process to retire their A319s? Noticed another one, -IPS, was returned to the lessor today. How long is the reminder going to stay

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-06-13 01:51:45 and read 8579 times.

The last one is due for 2018 AFAIK. Will be replaced by CS-300's I learned last week.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-06-14 08:45:06 and read 8292 times.

Just came in :

From 21 June to 24 June an LH 340-300 will help LX out while HB-JHN is still in YUL for repairs.
D-AIGL will do some ZRH-YUL-ZRH rotations for LX those days.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LXA340
Posted 2013-06-15 05:21:44 and read 8023 times.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 139):
From 21 June to 24 June an LH 340-300 will help LX out while HB-JHN is still in YUL for repairs.
D-AIGL will do some ZRH-YUL-ZRH rotations for LX those days.

What happened to HB-JHN?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LX8626
Posted 2013-06-15 09:22:26 and read 7902 times.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 140):

What happened to HB-JHN?
Swiss Airbus Collides With Mobile Lounge At YUL (by mhkansan Jun 8 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-06-15 09:30:58 and read 7909 times.

LX is not exactly lucky with the new aircraft on the fleet : HB-JLT already had her sharklets replaced by new ones after a lighting strike damaged both the original ones  
HB-JHN has substantial damage to the right wing after a taxi-collision in YUL as you can read in LX8626's link above

So Far HB-ION ( the new 321 ) is more lucky.....

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: sabenapilot
Posted 2013-06-15 10:03:20 and read 7873 times.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 134):

I'm curious why LX flies to NBO/DAR. This seems like an unusual route for them. I think it is their only intercontinental flight with an extension. DAR doesn't seem to be a high yield station and I thought they focused on high yield. Is it because LH doesn't fly to NBO?

IMHO, this is a route which should be transferred to BRU and SN.
SN has really turned Cameroon into a success after LX transferred its flights to DLA and NSI in order to combine them with the SN ones into an as good as daily offering: doing the same on NBO (and DAR) would make a lot of sense.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-06-16 00:11:06 and read 7663 times.

This is really non-sense from my point of view. SN is currently focusing on TATL fligths with JFK and now IAD (coming) online and is still not near profitable, although getting closer.Their footprint in Africa is large enough for the moment. Also quality wise, I don't see SN anywhere near LX.
To be honest DLA/NSI and also SSG (which went to LH) should have stayed at LX.
SN is, sorry for that, not adding anything to the group.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: sandrozrh
Posted 2013-06-16 02:53:41 and read 7535 times.

Quoting sabenapilot (Reply 143):

No, thank you very much.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-06-16 04:47:01 and read 7462 times.

Quoting sabenapilot (Reply 143):
IMHO, this is a route which should be transferred to BRU and SN.

When the route is profitable for SWISS then there is absolutely no reason to do that.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: 330lover
Posted 2013-06-16 06:29:35 and read 7380 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 146):
When the route is profitable for SWISS then there is absolutely no reason to do that.

But weren't the routes to DLA/NSI and SSG profitable as well, though were transferred to SN and LH? SN took over DLA/NSI, making it daily (or almost, don't know for sure) at this time, and SSG was taken over by LH?

Even though the route may be profitable, there is always a chance that another route would prove even more so, meaning it makes sense to transfer it. And since they are all under the same 'wing', it does make sense to develop the airline which is at this moment the strongest in Africa (sub-Saharan at least) into an even stonger one?

Honestly, what are the destinations sub-Sahara, of LX? NBO, DAR and JNB, and that's it? Yes, JRO (and ZNZ, or am I wrong here) are flown by Edelweiss once a week, would not consider this.
By the way: did LX ever operate to FIH, or does this date back to SR?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the transfer to SN would be the best, since I do like LX and wish them all the best, but think the DLA/NSI scenario would not be the worst at all either.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: BrianDromey
Posted 2013-06-16 06:49:56 and read 7351 times.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 142):
So Far HB-ION ( the new 321 ) is more lucky.....

Im curious about the interiors of these aircraft. Are they fitted with the "traditional" slim-line LX recaros or the new LH group NEK seats? If so, has the seat count changed at all?
Finally, do the former SWISS Sun aircraft still have the bulkier seats or have these had something new?

Brian.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LXA340
Posted 2013-06-16 08:31:58 and read 7292 times.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 148):

HB-ION is fitted with the NEK seats. The seat count for the aircraft fitted with the older and the NEK seats remains the exact same; in the case of the A321 at 200 seats as a maximum (Full Y configuration). I just know that one of the former SWISS Sun aircraft (HBIJV) was transfered to EDW and was equiped with the Recaro seats.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-06-16 18:03:36 and read 7112 times.

Quoting 330lover (Reply 147):
y the way: did LX ever operate to FIH, or does this date back to SR?

LX has never served FIH as far as I can tell.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2013-06-17 01:34:11 and read 7026 times.



Those 3 A332 from KingFisher have been a long time in ZRH. Does anyone know what the fate is from those aircrafts?

Also since week's or month there is a MD-11F from Aviant in Tango section. Just seams that in ZRH they are running out of space with the time.

Yesterday morning 16/06/2013 was a TK A332F in ZRH and missed to do a photo. There will be soon a next arrival of the ac?

Thanks for your feedback.

Cheers  

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: sandrozrh
Posted 2013-06-17 03:17:55 and read 7101 times.

Quoting 330lover (Reply 147):

As far as I know, SN already serves NBO (they stay at the same hotel as we do). So why would it make sense to transfer the route when it seems that a flight each by both carriers works? We do carry a healthy demand of O&D traffic on that route which would inevitably be lost should the flight be routed through BRU.

It makes no sense whatsoever, it would be like suggesting that SN's JFK flight should be transferred to LX as clearly LX is a lot more competent on TATL ops. Equally, almost all O&D traffic would be lost by offering an inconvenient backtrack through ZRH.

DLA/NSI and SSG are a whole different story, there was little to none O&D traffic to ZRH on those flights and so it doesn't make much of a difference where those flights operate from. NBO on the other hand is different, as I explained above, so why fix it if it ain't broken?

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: 330lover
Posted 2013-06-17 03:25:50 and read 7085 times.

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 152):
DLA/NSI and SSG are a whole different story, there was little to none O&D traffic to ZRH on those flights and so it doesn't make much of a difference where those flights operate from. NBO on the other hand is different, as I explained above, so why fix it if it ain't broken?

Hi Sandro,

thanks for clearing this out. I always thought that the DLA/NSI and SSG routes did well too for LX. But if the O&D traffic to ZRH is indeed high for NBO/DAR, than there is indeed no reason to transfer it. I agree with you here!
You see, this is why this forum is so interesting: you get a lot of info from people inside the airlines. Thanks for that!

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: sandrozrh
Posted 2013-06-17 03:38:13 and read 7065 times.

Quoting 330lover (Reply 153):

You're welcome  

By the way, I didn't suggest that NSI/DLA and SSG didn't work well for LX, in fact they did. It's just that almost all traffic was connecting traffic and so it doesn't matter wether that traffic goes through ZRH, BRU or FRA. It makes total sense to transfer that traffic to the part of the group that is more competent in Africa, freeing up aircraft for LX to deploy to their strong markets: TATL and Asia.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: LX8626
Posted 2013-06-19 05:30:43 and read 6714 times.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 148):

Hey Brian,

this happened to the former SWISS SUN aircrafts:

HB-IJU got the standard SWISS cabin including the Recaro seats of the LX-A320-Family
HB-IJV was transferred to EDW. She is in EDW livery and got the EDW cabin (as LXA340 said before)
HB-IJW is still in LX livery but has the EDW cabin. She will be transferred to EDW some day I think.

Here is a picture of the EDW cabin.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Edelw...d=d476d9ecb1f98030e7e483dea41cf79a

It is now the same product on the entire EDW A320 Fleet.

Hope this helps  

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: DALCE
Posted 2013-06-19 05:45:25 and read 6696 times.

Quoting LX8626 (Reply 155):
HB-IJW is still in LX livery but has the EDW cabin. She will be transferred to EDW some day I think.

That would certainly be nice for WK. Also I'm questioning if WK will expand with additional long haul equiment.
I could see them operate an extra 330-300.

Also, would the new LH order for the 32S-NEO's also help fleet renewal at LX, as some of the 320's are aging.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2013-06-19 23:35:59 and read 6468 times.

Hi guy's!

Talking about WK here something for you that got infont of my camera yesterday 19/06/13 in Zurich. Well, it doesn't fly but is looking good on the "new" trams that are in here in town.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-06-20 04:31:16 and read 6325 times.

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 157):
Talking about WK here something for you that got infont of my camera yesterday 19/06/13 in Zurich. Well, it doesn't fly but is looking good on the "new" trams that are in here in town.

  I like the Edelweiss livery even when it is on a tram.

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2013-06-20 15:09:47 and read 6174 times.

According to the usually well informed aviation news site ch-aviation, Swiss is to launch six new routes from GVA:

ARN
GOT
BEG
OSL
LGW
RAK

All destinations are served between 2 and 4 times weekly this winter. The nordic markets and LGW are obviously aimed at ski tourists.
This move will coincide with the establishment of an independent base (with its own sales management) in Geneva. Also interesting to see destinations offered in GOT and LGW that are currently not served from ZRH.

https://www.facebook.com/chaviation

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2013-06-22 00:11:53 and read 5950 times.

Quoting ZRH" class="quote" target="_blank">ZRH (Reply 158):
I like the Edelweiss livery even when it is on a tram.

I must say for a tram looks really very nice. A friend of mine told me that there are similar ones in Geneva and hope to get a pic. They have the LH, EK and some others. (just little off-topic)

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 159):
Also interesting to see destinations offered in GOT and LGW that are currently not served from ZRH.

That is really surprising news and thanks for sharing  

Was actually a nice surprise to see yesterday something new "as for me next to the LX one" in ZRH for me a LH A320 with sharklets that will share with you.



Have a great weekend

Cheers  

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: nyswiss
Posted 2013-06-27 08:00:53 and read 5394 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 150):
?
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 150):
LX has never served FIH as far as I can tell.

SR did in the eighties, I think it was a once or twice weekly service, to Brazzaville as well

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: ZRH
Posted 2013-06-28 22:28:21 and read 5119 times.

The An-225 in Basel. Always an impressing bird:
http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/basel/st...senvogel-landet-in-Basel-10501675#

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2013-06-30 02:57:26 and read 4793 times.

Quoting ZRH" class="quote" target="_blank">ZRH (Reply 162):
The An-225 in Basel. Always an impressing bird:

Thank's ZRH for sharing. Pity that missed it really.. was it published some time ago that the AN-225 would land in BSL?

Quoting ZRH" class="quote" target="_blank">ZRH (Reply 158):
I like the Edelweiss livery even when it is on a tram.

uote=ZRH,reply=162]The An-225 in Basel. Always an impressing bird:[/quote]

Here a photo from today "Sunday" as a friend of mine is taking some photos in "Graubünden" Sorry about the quality as done with a mobile phone.



Cheers  

Topic: RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #31
Username: RJ100
Posted 2013-07-04 02:59:14 and read 4231 times.

easyJet will launch two new destinations from Basel as per winter schedule:

Hurghada twice weekly

and

Cracow three times weekly.


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