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Topic: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-12-18 06:15:21 and read 11069 times.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.


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NOTE: As you might have noticed there was no update last week. For some reason the database was not updated by the schedule provider. Second time this year that occurred. Not sure if it was a mistake or if there weren't sufficient changes to warrant an update. When that happens I post it in the previous week's thread.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

9K ALB-BOS JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4

Big OW capacity reduction on BOS-LHR it appears
**AA BOS-LHR APR 2>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0
AA DFW-ANC MAY 0>0.7 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
AA DFW-ASE JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
AA DFW-EGE JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
AA DFW-JAC JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>1.1 AUG 0>1.1
AA DFW-MTJ JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
AA DFW-PSP MAY 3>2 JUN 3>1.4 JUL 3>1.0 AUG 3>1.2
AA JFK-PUJ JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
AA LAX-ASE JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
*AA MIA-LHR APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
AA ORD-CUN JUN 1.2>1.1 JUL 1.1>1.0 AUG 1.2>0.9
AA ORD-HEL AUG 1.0>0.8
AA ORD-HNL JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
AA ORD-HNL JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
AA ORD-PSP JUN 1.0>0.4 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
AA ORD-RAP JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8

AC DEN-YYZ JAN 1.9>1.6

AC FLL-YUL MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.3>2 JUL 1.6>2 AUG 1.5>2
AC FLL-YYZ MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.5>2
AC PHX-YYZ JAN 1.9>1.6

AF ORD-CDG APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7

AM BRO-MTY JAN 0.3>0.4
AM FAT-GDL JAN 0.7>0.4 FEB 0.2>0.3 MAR 0.2>0.4 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>0.5 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.5
AM LAX-GDL JAN 1.0>1.2
AM ORD-GDL JAN 0.2>0.4

AS ANC-LAX MAY 1.4>1.0
AS LAX-ANC MAY 1.4>1.0
AS LAX-MZT APR 0.8>0.7
AS LAX-PVR APR 2>1.8 MAY 2>1.3
AS LAX-SJD MAR 1.9>1.7 APR 2>1.7 MAY 2>1.7
AS LAX-STS MAY 1.9>3
AS LAX-ZIH APR 0.8>0.4
AS LAX-ZLO MAY 0.1>0.3
AS PDX-OGG APR 2.0>1.8
AS PDX-PHX MAY 2>1.0
AS PSP-SJC MAY 1.0>0.3
AS SEA-ANC APR 13>12 MAY 17>16 JUN 19>20 JUL 19>20 AUG 19>20
AS SEA-YVR MAR 7>6
AS SFO-PVR APR 1.0>0.8 MAY 1.0>0.9

AZ EWR-FCO APR 0.5>0 MAY 0.6>0.3 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.7
AZ JFK-FCO JUN 1.9>2 JUL 1.8>2 AUG 1.9>2

B6 changed their published schedule and also extended it. These were changes.
B6 BOS-IAD MAY 3>4
B6 BOS-NAS MAY 0.3>0
B6 BOS-PHL MAY 0>1.4
B6 BOS-SDQ MAY 0.7>0.8
B6 BOS-SEA MAY 1.4>3
B6 JFK-CLT MAY 3>2
B6 JFK-PIT FEB 1.8>1.3
B6 MCO-BUF MAY 1.8>1.0
B6 MCO-PSE MAY 1.3>1.0
B6 MCO-SYR MAY 1.8>1.0
B6 PBI-SJU MAY 1.0>0.7
B6 SEA-ANC MAY 0>0.5

This is B6's schedule extension compared to the prior year, so Summer 2013 vs. Summer 2012
B6 ANC-SEA JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
B6 BOS-BUF JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
B6 BOS-BWI JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
B6 BOS-CHS JUN 0>1.1 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
B6 BOS-DCA JUN 9>10
B6 BOS-EWR JUN 4>6 JUL 4>6 AUG 4>6
B6 BOS-IAD JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
B6 BOS-LAS JUN 1.9>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
B6 BOS-PHL JUN 0>5 JUL 0>5 AUG 0>5
B6 BOS-PIT JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
B6 BOS-RIC JUN 1.9>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
B6 BOS-SAN JUN 1.0>1.9
B6 BOS-SEA JUN 2.0>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
B6 BOS-SRQ JUN 0.2>1.0 JUL 0.1>1.0 AUG 0.1>1.0
B6 BUR-LAS JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
B6 DCA-SJU JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
B6 FLL-BOS JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
B6 FLL-LAX JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
B6 FLL-PVD JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
B6 FLL-SDQ JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
B6 HPN-NAS JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.7
B6 JFK-ABQ JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
B6 JFK-AZS JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3
B6 JFK-BGI JUN 1.0>0.8
B6 JFK-BUR JUN 1.9>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
B6 JFK-CHS JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2
B6 JFK-CTG JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.4
B6 JFK-CUN JUN 1.8>2
B6 JFK-GCM JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.5
B6 JFK-MBJ JUN 1.3>1.7
B6 JFK-ORD JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2
B6 JFK-PIT JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0
B6 JFK-ROC JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
B6 JFK-SDQ JUN 6>5
B6 JFK-STI JUN 7>6
B6 JFK-SXM JUN 1.2>1.1 JUL 1.4>1.1 AUG 1.4>1.2
B6 JFK-UVF JUN 0.6>0.8
B6 LGB-AUS JUN 1.0>2.0 JUL 1.0>2
B6 LGB-SLC JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2
B6 LGB-SMF JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2
B6 MCO-BQN AUG 1.6>1.1
B6 MCO-BQN AUG 1.7>1.2
B6 MCO-BUF JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
B6 MCO-PSE JUN 2>1.4 AUG 1.6>1.1
B6 MCO-PVD JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2
B6 MCO-SYR JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
B6 PBI-SJU JUN 1.0>0.8
B6 SEA-ANC JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
B6 SJU-PUJ JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
B6 SJU-SDQ JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
B6 SJU-STI JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
B6 SJU-TPA JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
B6 TPA-SJU JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3

*BA BOS-LHR APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4

DL ATL-BTR MAR 8>9 APR 8>9 MAY 8>9 JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
DL ATL-MEX MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
DL ATL-MXP MAY 0.5>0
DL ATL-MYR APR 6>7
DL ATL-TYS MAR 10>11
Hard to imagine transatlantic markets that aren't good enough to be daily in July.
*DL ATL-VCE JUN 1.0>0.9 JUL 1.0>0.8 AUG 1.0>0.9
DL ATL-VPS MAR 10>11
DL CVG-LAS MAR 1.0>0.7
DL DTW-BDL MAR 5>6
DL DTW-BHM APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
DL DTW-CMH MAR 7>8
DL DTW-DSM MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
Season shortened
*DL DTW-FCO MAY 0.5>0
DL DTW-ORF MAR 4>5
DL DTW-PHL MAR 7>8
DL HNL-KIX JUL 1.0>1.2 AUG 1.0>2
Secondary transatlantic is looking pretty weak for 2013
*DL JFK-AGP JUN 0.8>0.5 JUL 1.0>0.6 AUG 1.0>0.7
*DL JFK-ARN JUN 1.0>0.8 JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.6
DL JFK-CLT APR 1.8>1.0
*DL JFK-FCO JUN 2>1.6 JUL 2>1.6 AUG 2>1.5
DL JFK-MSP JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
*DL JFK-PSA JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.5 AUG 1.0>0.6
DL JFK-SAN APR 1.0>1.8
DL JFK-YYZ APR 3>1.8
DL LGA-DCA MAR 12>11
DL LGA-IAH MAR 4>3
DL LGA-MCO MAY 7>6 JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6 AUG 7>6
DL LGA-TPA MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
DL MCO-RDU APR 1.2>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
*DL MEM-DSM MAR 0.8>0.0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0
Wow, MEM went from AMS service to double connect to most of Europe
*DL MEM-JFK MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*DL SEA-KIX APR 1.0>0.6 MAY 1.0>0.6
DL SLC-BOI MAR 5>6 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
DL SLC-DFW MAR 4>5
DL SLC-MSP MAR 5>6

EP ILL-THR JAN 1.9>1.5 FEB 1.9>1.4 MAR 1.8>1.3 APR 1.9>0 MAY 1.9>0 JUN 1.8>0 JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0

The flight doesn't even last all of March now. Hard to believe it is a seasonal drop.
*F9 DEN-AZA MAR 1.0>0.7
F9 DEN-CID MAR 0.6>0.4

*FL ATL-ICT JUN 3>0.1 JUL 3>0 AUG 0.8>0
*FL BWI-SJU JUN 2>0.1 JUL 2>0 AUG 0.6>0

G4 AZA-BLI JUN 0.6>0.4 AUG 0.6>0.4
G4 AZA-FSD JUN 0.6>0.4 AUG 0.6>0.4
G4 AZA-RAP JUN 0.6>0.4 AUG 0.6>0.4
G4 BLI-OAK JUN 0.6>0.4 AUG 0.6>0.4
G4 BLI-PSP JUN 0.6>0.4 AUG 0.6>0.4
G4 SBY-SFB JAN 0.3>0.1

HA HNL-ITO FEB 15>14 APR 15>16
HA HNL-LIH JAN 17>16 FEB 17>16 APR 18>17
HA HNL-OGG JAN 27>26 FEB 27>26 MAR 28>27 APR 28>27
HA HNL-SYD APR 1.0>1.4 MAY 1.0>1.5
HA ITO-HNL FEB 15>14 APR 15>16
HA ITO-OGG APR 2>3
HA KOA-OGG JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
HA LAS-HNL APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
HA LIH-HNL JAN 17>16 FEB 17>16 APR 18>17
HA OAK-HNL MAY 0.5>0.7
HA OGG-HNL JAN 27>26 FEB 27>26 MAR 28>27 APR 28>27
HA OGG-ITO APR 2>3
HA OGG-KOA JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
HA PDX-OGG MAR 0>0.2
HA SJC-HNL APR 0.4>0
HA SJC-OGG MAR 1.0>0.8

IB LAX-MAD JUL 0.5>0.6 AUG 0.4>0.6
IB MIA-MAD APR 1.4>2 MAY 1.4>2 JUN 1.4>2 JUL 1.4>2 AUG 1.4>2
IB SJU-MAD FEB 0.2>0.1 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.5>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.4>0

IG JFK-NAP JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3
IG JFK-PMO JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3

JJ MCO-GIG APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0

JL ROR-NRT JAN 0>0.1

KE GUM-ICN MAR 2>1.0
KE LAS-ICN MAY 0.5>0.6 JUN 0.4>0.6 JUL 0.5>0.6 AUG 0.4>0.5

*KX DFW-GCM APR 0>0.2 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3
KX JFK-GCM MAY 0.4>0.5 JUN 0.5>0.6 JUL 0.4>0.5 AUG 0.4>0.6

LA JFK-LIM APR 1.6>1.4 MAY 1.6>1.5 JUN 1.6>1.4 JUL 1.6>1.4 AUG 1.6>1.5
LA LAX-LIM APR 1.0>1.9 MAY 1.0>1.8
LA MIA-GIG APR 0>0.2
LA MIA-LIM APR 3>0.3 MAY 3>0.3 JUN 3>0.3 JUL 3>0.3 AUG 3>0.3
*LA SFO-LIM APR 0>0.6 MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.6 AUG 0>0.6

LH PHL-FRA APR 0.7>0.8 MAY 0.7>0.9 JUN 0.7>0.9 JUL 0.7>0.8 AUG 0.7>0.9

LI SJU-SXM JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.6 MAR 0>0.6 APR 0>0.6 MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.6 AUG 0>0.6
LI STT-AXA JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7 APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.7
LI STX-SXM JAN 0.9>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 1.0>0.6 MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.5 AUG 1.0>0.6

LW AHN-ATL JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0

M5 FBS-LKE APR 1.0>4 MAY 1.0>5 JUN 1.0>5 JUL 1.0>5 AUG 1.0>5
M5 KEH-SEA JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
M5 KEH-YMP JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
M5 KEH-ZNA MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.8 AUG 0>1.9
M5 LKE-YGG MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
M5 LKE-YWH MAR 2>3 APR 1.0>4 MAY 1.0>5 JUN 1.0>5 JUL 1.0>5 AUG 1.0>5

MU SFO-PVG APR 0>0.2 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0

NK DFW-MSP APR 0.2>0.9
NK DFW-PHL APR 0.2>0.9
They drop these completely for April?
*NK FLL-KIN APR 0.2>0 MAY 1.0>0.7
*NK FLL-NAS APR 0.2>0 MAY 1.0>0.3

OS JFK-VIE FEB 1.0>0.9

PR GUM-MNL MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4

RJ JFK-AMM APR 0.6>0.7 MAY 0.6>0.7

SK EWR-CPH JUN 1.4>1.5 JUL 1.4>1.6 AUG 1.5>1.6

*SU MIA-SVO APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3

UA CLE-IND MAY 5>6
UA DEN-GRR MAY 1.0>1.9
UA DEN-JAC MAY

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-12-18 06:15:58 and read 11169 times.

UA DEN-JAC MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
UA DEN-MSN MAY 3>4
UA DEN-MSO MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
UA DEN-SJD JUN 0.3>0.5
UA DEN-TPA MAY 1.8>1.0
UA DEN-TUL MAY 4>5
UA DEN-YVR MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3
UA EWR-PVR JUN 0.2>0.3
UA FLL-GNV MAR 0.6>0.4 JUN 0.6>0.4 AUG 0.6>0.4
UA IAD-AUS MAY 2>3
UA IAD-PVD MAY 4>3
UA IAD-ROA MAY 2>3
UA IAD-YHZ JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
UA IAD-YUL MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
UA IAH-MCO MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
UA IAH-MLM MAY 0.8>1.0
*UA IAH-RAP JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
UA LAX-ABQ MAY 3>1.7
UA LAX-BWI MAY 0.9>1.9
UA LAX-BZN JUN 0.8>0.4
UA LAX-CLE MAY 2>3
UA LAX-EWR APR 7>12 MAY 8>13 JUN 8>14 JUL 8>14 AUG 8>13
UA LAX-IAD MAY 8>9
UA LAX-LAS MAY 4>5
UA LAX-PHX MAY 4>3
UA LAX-PSP MAY 5>6
UA LAX-SAN MAY 13>14
UA LAX-SLC MAY 3>1.8
UA ORD-ALB MAY 5>3
UA ORD-BTV MAY 4>3
UA ORD-BWI MAY 6>5
UA ORD-CHS MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
UA ORD-CMH MAY 7>8
UA ORD-EWR MAY 14>15
UA ORD-FLL MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 1.9>1.0
UA ORD-LAX MAY 13>12
UA ORD-MDT MAY 6>5
UA ORD-MHT MAY 3>1.9
UA ORD-MIA MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2
UA ORD-MSP MAY 12>11
UA ORD-OKC MAY 5>4
UA ORD-ORF MAY 5>4
UA ORD-PDX MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
UA ORD-SAN MAY 5>4
UA ORD-SEA MAY 6>5
UA ORD-SJD JUN 0.2>0.3
UA ORD-SPI MAY 4>3
UA ORD-SYR MAY 5>6
UA ORD-TUL MAY 5>4
UA ORD-YQB MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
UA ORD-YUL MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
UA ORD-YYC MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
UA SEA-ANC APR 2>1.9
UA SFO-ABQ MAY 1.0>1.9
UA SFO-ACV MAY 8>6
UA SFO-BOS MAY 6>7
UA SFO-BZN JUN 0.8>0.6
UA SFO-DEN MAY 9>10
UA SFO-EUG MAY 7>6
UA SFO-EWR APR 8>13 MAY 8>14 JUN 8>15 JUL 8>16 AUG 8>15
*UA SFO-FLL APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
UA SFO-LAS MAY 10>9
UA SFO-LAX APR 14>13
UA SFO-MCI MAY 3>2
UA SFO-MFR MAY 7>6
UA SFO-MSO JUN 0.8>0.4
UA SFO-ORD MAY 15>12
UA SFO-PDX MAY 9>8
UA SFO-RDM MAY 3>2
UA SFO-SEA MAY 9>7
UA SFO-SNA MAY 7>8
UA SFO-YVR MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5

*UN JFK-DME FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.4 APR 0.6>0 MAY 0.8>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
UN JFK-VKO APR 0>0.6 MAY 0>0.8 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.7
UN LAX-DME APR 0>0.2 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3
*UN LAX-VKO APR 0.2>0 MAY 0.3>0 JUN 0.3>0 JUL 0.3>0 AUG 0.3>0

*US CLT-GRU MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
*US CLT-LGW APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*US CLT-LHR APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
Interesting drop, must be low yield
*US CLT-YUL APR 1.6>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0 JUN 1.8>1.0 JUL 1.9>1.0 AUG 1.8>1.0
US DCA-BTV FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
US DCA-BUF FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
US DCA-CVG FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
US DCA-LIT FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.7>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.9 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9 AUG 1.7>0.8
Carriers starting to fill in for lost DL capacity
*US DCA-MEM FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
This was the poster child for goofy routes
*US DCA-XNA FEB 0.8>0.0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0
Good ole US, added a few routes to show the value of getting more slots and then add another BUF ultimately
US DCA-YOW FEB 1.5>0.1 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0

VA LAX-SYD FEB 1.0>0.9

VB IAH-MTY APR 0.1>0.6 MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.6 AUG 0>0.5
VB SAT-MTY FEB 0.3>0.4 APR 0.1>0.4 MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.4

*VX EWR-LAX APR 0>3 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>1.7
*VX EWR-SFO APR 0>3 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>1.8

WG FLL-YQB JAN 0.4>0.5 FEB 0.4>0.6 MAR 0.4>0.5 APR 0.1>0.3
WG MCO-YYZ JAN 0.7>0.5

WN making schedule adjustments to a closed schedule.  I've never seen them do swaps to a closed schedule before. This is a huge deal. Previously I've only seen them rarely drop or add a line of flying due to fleet changes.
WN BKG-HOU JUN 2.0>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 0.6>0.3
WN BKG-MDW JUN 1.0>2.0 JUL 1.0>2
WN BNA-CLE JAN 1.8>3 FEB 1.9>3 MAR 1.8>3
WN CMH-TPA MAR 3>4
WN LIT-MCO MAR 0>1.0
WN MCI-PHX MAR 3>4
WN MCO-OKC MAR 0>1.0
WN STL-TPA MAR 3>4

XL JFK-GYE APR 1.6>1.3 MAY 1.5>1.3 JUN 1.6>1.4

Y4 LAS-GDL MAR 1.0>1.1 APR 1.0>1.3 MAY 1.0>1.3 JUN 1.0>1.3 JUL 1.0>1.3 AUG 1.0>1.3
Y4 LAS-MEX MAR 1.2>1.4 APR 1.1>2 MAY 1.1>2 JUN 1.2>2 JUL 1.1>2 AUG 1.1>2
Y4 LAX-MEX APR 0.6>1.0 MAY 0.5>1.0 JUN 0.6>1.0 JUL 0.5>1.0 AUG 0.6>1.0
Y4 LAX-MLM APR 0.7>1.0 MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0 AUG 0.7>1.0
Y4 MCO-MEX APR 0.1>0.3 MAY 0.1>0.3 JUN 0.2>0.3 JUL 0.1>0.3 AUG 0.2>0.3
Y4 OAK-GDL JAN 3>1.8
Y4 OAK-MEX MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>0.6 MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.6
Y4 SAN-GDL MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.5 MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.6
Y4 SAN-MEX APR 0.6>1.0 MAY 0.5>1.0 JUN 0.6>1.0 JUL 0.5>1.0 AUG 0.6>1.0
Y4 SMF-GDL JAN 0.3>0.5 FEB 0.3>0.4

YV HNL-KOA JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6
YV HNL-LIH JAN 6>5
YV KOA-HNL JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6
YV LIH-HNL JAN 6>5

ZK DIK-ISN JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-12-18 06:20:04 and read 11043 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
The flight doesn't even last all of March now. Hard to believe it is a seasonal drop.
*F9 DEN-AZA MAR 1.0>0.7

BTW, just to pour salt on the wound, March is easily the best month for Phoenix-Denver. Denver-ites go to Phoenix to get warm and the reverse go in huge numbers to ski. So, the argument this is a seasonal reduction is nonsense. The route just sucks and they may or may not return. That, apparently, is the definition of seasonal nowadays.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: FlyPNS1
Posted 2012-12-18 06:28:52 and read 10946 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Wow, MEM went from AMS service to double connect to most of Europe
*DL MEM-JFK MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0

A little overdramatic....most major European markets are easily reachable through ATL/DTW with a single connection.

Sure, you can't get to AGP or PSA, but how many people from MEM go to those places?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: FlyPNS1
Posted 2012-12-18 06:34:24 and read 10883 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Carriers starting to fill in for lost DL capacity
*US DCA-MEM FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
This was the poster child for goofy routes
*US DCA-XNA FEB 0.8>0.0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0
Good ole US, added a few routes to show the value of getting more slots and then add another BUF ultimately
US DCA-YOW FEB 1.5>0.1 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0

All the more reason not to award the DCA-OKC route to US. They have plenty of slots available to launch the route.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: ANA787
Posted 2012-12-18 06:38:36 and read 10845 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
HA PDX-OGG MAR 0>0.2

Hopefully they bring back PDX-OGG year round!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

HA SJC-HNL APR 0.4>0
HA SJC-OGG MAR 1.0>0.8

HA is dropping SJC-HNL?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: Atrude777
Posted 2012-12-18 06:39:11 and read 10843 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN making schedule adjustments to a closed schedule. I've never seen them do swaps to a closed schedule before. This is a huge deal. Previously I've only seen them rarely drop or add a line of flying due to fleet changes.
WN CMH-TPA MAR 3>4
WN LIT-MCO MAR 0>1.0
WN MCI-PHX MAR 3>4
WN MCO-OKC MAR 0>1.0
WN STL-TPA MAR 3>4

I have seen it before, I don't know if it's due to "aircraft changes", but it is always marked as a last minute seasonal change, this was announced last week, here is the article for it.

http://www.blogsouthwest.com/blog/extra-seasonal-florida-service-2013

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: blr380
Posted 2012-12-18 06:41:31 and read 10822 times.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 3):
Big OW capacity reduction on BOS-LHR it appears

Not really a big OW reduction - infact a significant increase with multiple 744 frequency on BA (I would take a 744 anyday than 757), plus a great service. I guess this is the end of AA shop in BOS, at least internationally. Sad, they had a good presence of Eagle flights to connect to regional cities, CDG and other markets. I hope AA at least increases its domestic options in BOS with BA, JAL and other OW options to come (QR? )

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 3):
Wow, MEM went from AMS service to double connect to most of Europe
*DL MEM-JFK MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0

Indeed overdramatic - You can reach most European markets through ATL/DTW one-stop. That is plentiful for MEM with really no big local business demand for TATL flights.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: flyiguy
Posted 2012-12-18 06:45:08 and read 10781 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA LAX-EWR APR 7>12 MAY 8>13 JUN 8>14 JUL 8>14 AUG 8>13

This is a big increase? Preparation to kill off VX on the route ?

FLY

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: SouthernDC9
Posted 2012-12-18 06:46:50 and read 10765 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
This was the poster child for goofy routes
*US DCA-XNA FEB 0.8>0.0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0

This flight had a lot wrong with it, the time was weird (I love the LIT and JAN flights that leave late in the evening, but the XNA flight leaves at around 2 or some such)... PLUS it's a 3 hour flight on a CRJ which is pretty much a deal breaker for me (of course RJs are pretty much the norm in XNA on anything but AA, but I can deal with it on a shorter connecting flight and I really don't mind the ERJ all that much).

XNA is a weird little airport, though - out in the middle of nowhere, primarily centered on business traffic (primarily Wal-Mart) so the fares are astronomical... more often than not, in my experience, the planes are half empty (though in theory the yields are okay on the seats that are sold, but who knows)... I flew through CVG from there last year and there were 8 of us on the flight...

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-12-18 06:59:18 and read 10662 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
HA LAS-HNL APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
HA OAK-HNL MAY 0.5>0.7
HA PDX-OGG MAR 0>0.2
HA SJC-HNL APR 0.4>0
HA SJC-OGG MAR 1.0>0.8

Interesting changes on the horizon for HA's mainland flights for next year; another thread talked about LA-OGG flights going double daily as well... It will be interesting to see how their complete summer schedule will look. Will there be net increases or decreases in certain markets or will there just be more shifts from HNL to Maui flying as we've already seen from the Bay area?

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Y4 SAN-GDL MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.5 MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0>0.6 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.6
Y4 SAN-MEX APR 0.6>1.0 MAY 0.5>1.0 JUN 0.6>1.0 JUL 0.5>1.0 AUG 0.6>1.0

This is looking encouraging for a change. Of course next week's report could easily reverse all this good news!

Good to see the report back again enilria; it was missed last week. Thanks again for your efforts.

bb

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: AVLAirlineFreq
Posted 2012-12-18 07:09:54 and read 10564 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US DCA-YOW FEB 1.5>0.1 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0

Is AC also on this route? Hasn't this been flown previously, or is it relatively new?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: commavia
Posted 2012-12-18 07:12:18 and read 10525 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-ASE JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
AA DFW-EGE JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-ASE JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8

Interesting. I think we can now call AA/Eagle to ASE a success if they're already making it summer-seasonal (from both DFW and LAX) like EGE has been for several years. Good to see.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Hard to imagine transatlantic markets that aren't good enough to be daily in July.
Season shortened
Secondary transatlantic is looking pretty weak for 2013

It's inevitable. The European economy is generally doing so atrociously right now, and more and more commercial activity is shifting to other parts of the world. DL made a big bet on secondary Europe (particularly from JFK) in the last 5 years, and while building up their JFK network that likely made perfect sense. But now, with what is happening economically and geopolitically in that part of the world, it realistically makes sense to generally retreat to larger 'core' Europe markets, and to alliance hubs (CDG and AMS, primarily). DL (and AA and UA) is better off focusing more attention on other parts of the world right now.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: usflyguy
Posted 2012-12-18 07:25:11 and read 10442 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN LIT-MCO MAR 0>1.0
WN MCO-OKC MAR 0>1.0

2 new markets added... The only cut was BKG-HOU.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: HeeseokKoo
Posted 2012-12-18 07:30:20 and read 10383 times.

Quoting flyiguy (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA LAX-EWR APR 7>12 MAY 8>13 JUN 8>14 JUL 8>14 AUG 8>13

This is a big increase? Preparation to kill off VX on the route ?

Same for SFO-EWR. Looking up the schedule, these routes now have flights almost every hour. Very attractive schedule, but huge capacity increase.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-12-18 07:32:53 and read 10358 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
HA SJC-HNL APR 0.4>0
HA SJC-OGG MAR 1.0>0.8

Is this real? Did AS's new SJC-HNL 738 flight drive HA out of the market? I didn't think HA's SJC-OGG flight was daily anyway, so that latter change isn't a surprise.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: EricR
Posted 2012-12-18 07:41:14 and read 10295 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*US DCA-XNA FEB 0.8>0.0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0
Good ole US, added a few routes to show the value of getting more slots and then add another BUF ultimately

You have to follow the money. If the route does not work, why keep it. No difference than any other carrier.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2012-12-18 07:48:21 and read 10205 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA ORD-RAP JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-ASE JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
AA DFW-EGE JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
AA DFW-JAC JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>1.1 AUG 0>1.1
AA DFW-MTJ JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-ASE JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8

Looks like revenue guarantees. ASE will be a CR7, not sure about the rest.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: ouboy79
Posted 2012-12-18 07:54:39 and read 10168 times.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 13):
2 new markets added... The only cut was BKG-HOU.

Which these are only seasonal for Feb-Apr.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-12-18 08:42:31 and read 9885 times.

Quoting blr380 (Reply 7):
Indeed overdramatic - You can reach most European markets through ATL/DTW one-stop. That is plentiful for MEM with really no big local business demand for TATL flights.
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 3):
A little overdramatic....most major European markets are easily reachable through ATL/DTW with a single connection.

Sure, you can't get to AGP or PSA, but how many people from MEM go to those places?

You can't get to Berlin without a double connect even in the Summer. I wouldn't say that is overly dramatic.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 4):
All the more reason not to award the DCA-OKC route to US. They have plenty of slots available to launch the route.

Absolutely right. They are just hoarding slots, just like they always do.

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 5):
HA is dropping SJC-HNL?

Just for a month. I guess April sucks?

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 6):
I have seen it before, I don't know if it's due to "aircraft changes", but it is always marked as a last minute seasonal change, this was announced last week, here is the article for it.

I know it's real, but I've never seen them do both adds and subtracts in a closed schedule. Maybe it's the second time they have done it and I missed the first, but that's a big deal.

Quoting blr380 (Reply 7):
Not really a big OW reduction - infact a significant increase with multiple 744 frequency on BA (I would take a 744 anyday than 757), plus a great service. I guess this is the end of AA shop in BOS, at least internationally. Sad, they had a good presence of Eagle flights to connect to regional cities, CDG and other markets. I hope AA at least increases its domestic options in BOS with BA, JAL and other OW options to come (QR? )

6 flights to 4 is not a big change? It is to me.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 10):
Good to see the report back again enilria; it was missed last week. Thanks again for your efforts.

Thanks...hope they keep updating the database weekly again. Who knows with the holidays.

Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
It's inevitable. The European economy is generally doing so atrociously right now, and more and more commercial activity is shifting to other parts of the world.

I had hoped 2013 was looking better.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 13):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
WN LIT-MCO MAR 0>1.0
WN MCO-OKC MAR 0>1.0
2 new markets added... The only cut was BKG-HOU.

That's cool. Too bad they only last a month.

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 14):
Quoting flyiguy (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA LAX-EWR APR 7>12 MAY 8>13 JUN 8>14 JUL 8>14 AUG 8>13

This is a big increase? Preparation to kill off VX on the route ?

Same for SFO-EWR. Looking up the schedule, these routes now have flights almost every hour. Very attractive schedule, but huge capacity increase.

Wow, I missed that. What an attack of VX. If I was VX I'd run to DOT/DOJ and cry my eyes out.

Quoting EricR (Reply 16):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*US DCA-XNA FEB 0.8>0.0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0
Good ole US, added a few routes to show the value of getting more slots and then add another BUF ultimately

You have to follow the money. If the route does not work, why keep it. No difference than any other carrier.

With US you have to follow the politics:
Step 1: Find weak little market with strong political support in Washington.
Step 2: Goad DOT/FAA into awarding a slot or approving a slot transfer to allow this poor community to be served.
Step 3: Stroke the politicians to support it and say how they deserve service and only US will provide it.
Step 4: Gets slots and operate flight for as short as possible.
Step 5: Tell the community they did not support the flight, maybe they can try again in the future.
Step 6: Hide slot in another market by downgrading equipment to smaller aircraft, jacking up fares, but increasing frequency. (or increase flights to PHL until they depart every 6 minutes on Cessna 172s)
Step 7: Wash, rinse, repeat...

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-12-18 08:45:42 and read 9868 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA SFO-EWR APR 8>13 MAY 8>14 JUN 8>15 JUL 8>16 AUG 8>15
Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 14):
Quoting flyiguy (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA LAX-EWR APR 7>12 MAY 8>13 JUN 8>14 JUL 8>14 AUG 8>13
This is a big increase? Preparation to kill off VX on the route ?
Same for SFO-EWR. Looking up the schedule, these routes now have flights almost every hour. Very attractive schedule, but huge capacity increase.
Quoting flyiguy (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA LAX-EWR APR 7>12 MAY 8>13 JUN 8>14 JUL 8>14 AUG 8>13
This is a big increase? Preparation to kill off VX on the route ?
FLY

Just saw they did the same thing in EWR-SFO. That is one of the most blatantly anti-competitive things I've ever seen. DOT should slap them for that. A 75% frequency increase is beyond what is reasonable. Shame on them.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: AVLAirlineFreq
Posted 2012-12-18 08:47:33 and read 9854 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
It's inevitable. The European economy is generally doing so atrociously right now, and more and more commercial activity is shifting to other parts of the world. DL made a big bet on secondary Europe (particularly from JFK) in the last 5 years, and while building up their JFK network that likely made perfect sense. But now, with what is happening economically and geopolitically in that part of the world, it realistically makes sense to generally retreat to larger 'core' Europe markets, and to alliance hubs (CDG and AMS, primarily). DL (and AA and UA) is better off focusing more attention on other parts of the world right now.

The outlook for southern Europe's economy (Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece) is particularly bleak right now.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: planespotting
Posted 2012-12-18 09:08:53 and read 9745 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-DSM MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5

I'm starting to wonder if DTW-DSM is going to go mainline at some point. I believe on the schedule this change is made up of 3x CR9 and 2x CRJ (328 seats per day), which you could easily cut to 2x A319 and 1x CR9 and keep the exact same capacity ... basically doing to DTW-DSM what they've done to ATL-DSM. Or on a longer out timeline, perhaps 2x 717 and 1x CR9 and reduce capacity.

Either way, that would seem to fit with DL's strategy to reduce 50 seat flying.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-12-18 09:26:49 and read 9621 times.

Quoting planespotting (Reply 22):
I'm starting to wonder if DTW-DSM is going to go mainline at some point.

With Pinnacle's whole fleet of 140 CRJs going away it would seem such things are likely.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: apodino
Posted 2012-12-18 10:09:24 and read 9412 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
ld
*US CLT-YUL APR 1.6>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0 JUN 1.8>1.0 JUL 1.9>1.0 AUG 1.8>1.0

Not really an interesting Drop....these planes are often going out only 60 percent full on this route. This is a capacity adjustment to rightsize the route.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US DCA-YOW FEB 1.5>0.1 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0

Interesting that Capital to Capital isn't working very well. Another factor in play here is that the planes on this route are often affected by ZW maintenance routings, so what would happen with three YOW ron's is that ZW would send planes in CLT up to YOW to rotate them into a MX base the following day. Not sure if thats in play here or not.

Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
With US you have to follow the politics:
Step 1: Find weak little market with strong political support in Washington.
Step 2: Goad DOT/FAA into awarding a slot or approving a slot transfer to allow this poor community to be served.
Step 3: Stroke the politicians to support it and say how they deserve service and only US will provide it.
Step 4: Gets slots and operate flight for as short as possible.
Step 5: Tell the community they did not support the flight, maybe they can try again in the future.
Step 6: Hide slot in another market by downgrading equipment to smaller aircraft, jacking up fares, but increasing frequency. (or increase flights to PHL until they depart every 6 minutes on Cessna 172s)
Step 7: Wash, rinse, repeat...

The thing is that of the three slots being used to add frequency to BTV, BUF, and CVG, two of them are coming from YOW, and XNA is the only one that fits into this description. There is probably no lobbying in Washington from any politician for two YOW frequencies, but there is plenty from the other three cities, especially CVG. XNA did make no sense to me at all, but if you look at all the other smaller markets out there, all of them are being spared this round.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: FlyPNS1
Posted 2012-12-18 10:12:49 and read 9626 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
You can't get to Berlin without a double connect even in the Summer. I wouldn't say that is overly dramatic.

I hope you are joking. Otherwise, how many people go from MEM to Berlin everyday? 1? 2? 3?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-12-18 10:22:15 and read 9587 times.

Quoting apodino (Reply 24):
Not really an interesting Drop....these planes are often going out only 60 percent full on this route. This is a capacity adjustment to rightsize the route.

I assumed they were full with low yield Florida traffic. Surprising.

Quoting apodino (Reply 24):
Interesting that Capital to Capital isn't working very well. Another factor in play here is that the planes on this route are often affected by ZW maintenance routings, so what would happen with three YOW ron's is that ZW would send planes in CLT up to YOW to rotate them into a MX base the following day. Not sure if thats in play here or not.

This is at least the second time they have exited the route. They tried it 10 or more years ago.

Quoting apodino (Reply 24):
two of them are coming from YOW, and XNA is the only one that fits into this description.

It's slightly different, but US still trumpeted YOW as a market that would gain service through this deal and those new markets are dropping like flies to be tucked away where they won't do any harm. So we lost DL service in competitive markets and ultimately are going to gain hourly BE1s to PHL. Who was that good for?

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 25):
Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
You can't get to Berlin without a double connect even in the Summer. I wouldn't say that is overly dramatic.

I hope you are joking. Otherwise, how many people go from MEM to Berlin everyday? 1? 2? 3?

So you are saying that Berlin is similar to AGP and PSA which were the examples that you provided to cite irrelevance?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-12-18 10:45:02 and read 9578 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
The flight doesn't even last all of March now. Hard to believe it is a seasonal drop.
*F9 DEN-AZA MAR 1.0>0.7
F9 DEN-CID MAR 0.6>0.4

I'm puzzled - as often - that some of the Frontier adds don't appear here.

DEN-TYS is back for the coming summer season - it's available for sale - but I haven't seen it signalled here.

mariner

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-18 10:59:29 and read 9447 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**AA BOS-LHR APR 2>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0

BUT wit the additional BA flight, would this be an A380 route?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL HNL-KIX JUL 1.0>1.2 AUG 1.0>2

What equipment does this one operate on?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
JL ROR-NRT JAN 0>0.1

An odd addition, is this a bug or some sort of charter that JL does?

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US DCA-CVG FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4

More flights to CVG to take over what DL is doing  
But hey, any additional service to CVG from different airlines is alright with me 
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
BTW, just to pour salt on the wound, March is easily the best month for Phoenix-Denver. Denver-ites go to Phoenix to get warm and the reverse go in huge numbers to ski. So, the argument this is a seasonal reduction is nonsense. The route just sucks and they may or may not return. That, apparently, is the definition of seasonal nowadays.

Yeah I think everyone's content with using F9 through Sky Harbor. All of the good stuff is pretty much in easier reach of Sky Harbor. AZA is in a bad location if you want to get to the Canyon, the resorts in Scottsdale, or Sedona, or the Ballparks.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-12-18 11:15:46 and read 9282 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 27):
DEN-TYS is back for the coming summer season - it's available for sale - but I haven't seen it signalled here.

This report only shows changes in the schedule. DEN-TYS was not loaded into F9's schedule via a change. It was probably in their schedule extension. Since there is nothing to compare those to except a bunch of zeroes, I must compare them to the prior year...and since the flight isn't new it doesn't appear. If the flight were changed it would appear. So, it was neither loaded via a change nor was it different from the prior year so it doesn't appear.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**AA BOS-LHR APR 2>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0

BUT wit the additional BA flight, would this be an A380 route?

No A380 scheduled

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL HNL-KIX JUL 1.0>1.2 AUG 1.0>2

What equipment does this one operate on?

744 and 333 through JAN, then only 744 till July when it is mixed with a 767.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
JL ROR-NRT JAN 0>0.1

An odd addition, is this a bug or some sort of charter that JL does?

It is tagged in the source as ROR being in the USA. Palau is not associated with the USA is it? It is a 767.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: RDH3E
Posted 2012-12-18 11:24:17 and read 9223 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
You can't get to Berlin without a double connect even in the Summer. I wouldn't say that is overly dramatic.
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 25):
I hope you are joking. Otherwise, how many people go from MEM to Berlin everyday? 1? 2? 3?

C'mon guys, MEM-EWR-TXL. Just have to choose the right airline....  

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: FlyPNS1
Posted 2012-12-18 11:26:36 and read 9190 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 26):
So you are saying that Berlin is similar to AGP and PSA which were the examples that you provided to cite irrelevance?

Yes. Memphis produces minimal traffic to these secondary markets, so the fact that they have to double connect is not important.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-12-18 11:29:42 and read 9158 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 29):
This report only shows changes in the schedule. DEN-TYS was not loaded into F9's schedule via a change. It was probably in their schedule extension. Since there is nothing to compare those to except a bunch of zeroes, I must compare them to the prior year...and since the flight isn't new it doesn't appear. If the flight were changed it would appear. So, it was neither loaded via a change nor was it different from the prior year so it doesn't appear.

That's confusing to me. It wasn't loaded in the schedule extension, it has only just appeared - some time after the schedule extension was posted.

Your thread - your rules. I guess I shouldn't regard the Frontier changes listed here as comprehensive, then.

mariner

[Edited 2012-12-18 11:37:20]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-18 11:45:28 and read 8991 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 29):
744 and 333 through JAN, then only 744 till July when it is mixed with a 767.

Is HNL-NRT operated by a 744 as well?

Quoting enilria (Reply 29):
It is tagged in the source as ROR being in the USA. Palau is not associated with the USA is it? It is a 767.

Well I knew the "source" thing but No, ROR isn't a part of the US, but rather, we give them "defense, funding, and access to social services."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palau

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: SouthernDC9
Posted 2012-12-18 12:02:36 and read 8837 times.

Quoting apodino (Reply 24):
XNA did make no sense to me at all, but if you look at all the other smaller markets out there, all of them are being spared this round.
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
This was the poster child for goofy routes
*US DCA-XNA FEB 0.8>0.0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0

Now in NW Arkansas's defense (I have sort of a love/hate relationship with the area) it's not completely podunk - it has been a booming little area (though it's been hit like most places by recent tough economic times and overdoing it on the real estate side), and it's home to at least three major corporations (Wal-Mart, Tyson Chicken and JB Hunt) plus the UofA... and for what it's worth, thanks to the Waltons Bentonville is home to what is probably one of the top American art museums in the country, Crystal Bridges, which is spectacular and absolutely worth the trip down there. So it's not Petticoat Junction or anything like that, and it was arguably worth a try by US (AA tried it before too, I think, but without many connections northward - that should have maybe been a warning sign to US but who knows). As of right now XNA has 5 flights to NYC, which isn't too shabby... again, the times and equipment on this service were just horrible, plus US doesn't have a huge presence down there, it's dominated by AA. So don't pick on poor XNA, though like anywhere in AR it's a weird little place and you're always just a mile or so away from a meth lab or a Children-of-the-Corn-esque scenario...

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: steex
Posted 2012-12-18 12:02:43 and read 8827 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 26):
So you are saying that Berlin is similar to AGP and PSA which were the examples that you provided to cite irrelevance?

I don't have the numbers, but looking at it from the viewpoint of travel market to/from MEM, I wouldn't be surprised if Berlin is similar to Malaga and Pisa. In this case, it doesn't really matter how large or influential a city is in general if that doesn't result in demand to/from Memphis.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-12-18 12:23:47 and read 8686 times.

Quoting steex (Reply 35):
I don't have the numbers, but looking at it from the viewpoint of travel market to/from MEM, I wouldn't be surprised if Berlin is similar to Malaga and Pisa. In this case, it doesn't really matter how large or influential a city is in general if that doesn't result in demand to/from Memphis.

MEMBER is ~1 PDEW, MEMPSA and MEMAGP smaller.

Even London is only ~20 PDEW, and Amsterdam only ~15 PDEW.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: fjnovak1
Posted 2012-12-18 12:39:08 and read 8506 times.

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 9):
Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 9):

This flight had a lot wrong with it, the time was weird (I love the LIT and JAN flights that leave late in the evening, but the XNA flight leaves at around 2 or some such)... PLUS it's a 3 hour flight on a CRJ which is pretty much a deal breaker for me (of course RJs are pretty much the norm in XNA on anything but AA, but I can deal with it on a shorter connecting flight and I really don't mind the ERJ all that much).

XNA is a weird little airport, though - out in the middle of nowhere, primarily centered on business traffic (primarily Wal-Mart) so the fares are astronomical... more often than not, in my experience, the planes are half empty (though in theory the yields are okay on the seats that are sold, but who knows)... I flew through CVG from there last year and there were 8 of us on the flight...

I lived in NW Arkansas for almost five years and know the area somewhat. Couple thoughts:

A) the service probably wasn't marketed much if at all. US Airways Express has a small token presence at XNA (three flights daily to CLT), their ticket counter is tiny (they don't even have self-serve kiosk computers), and they share a gate with DL.

B) The times were terrible. If I was running an airline, I'd have the flight from XNA-DCA leave NW Arkansas between 6 and 6:30 AM, for an arrival into DC before 10. And I'd have the return flight timed to leave DCA at around 7ish, for a 9 PM arrival into XNA. I'd think that'd have worked better. Pretty sure when American ran that route that's around when the times were. They have better recognition among XNA fliers. If AA couldn't make it work at XNA doubt anyone could. Perhaps someday they'll try again.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: ouboy79
Posted 2012-12-18 13:57:49 and read 7997 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
That's cool. Too bad they only last a month.

February 15 to April 13th is a bit longer than a month, at least by the math I was taught.  

For those that didn't care (or bother) to read Bill's blog post:

Quote:
Effective February 15 - April 13 of next year, we’re bringing back daily roundtrip nonstops between Orlando and Oklahoma City (which we haven’t flown since 2008!), and adding NEW nonstop service between Orlando and Little Rock! We’ll also be adding a third daily nonstop roundtrip between Tampa Bay and both Columbus and St. Louis.

Then, from March 10 through April 13 we’re adding a second flight between Louisville and Tampa Bay, and between Kansas City and Ft. Lauderdale. We’ll also add a fourth daily roundtrip between St. Louis and Tampa Bay! And to make sure we show some LUV to our friends in the Valley of the Sun we’re also adding a fourth nonstop between Kansas City and Phoenix/Sky Harbor.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: NWADTWE16
Posted 2012-12-18 17:31:48 and read 6955 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SEA-KIX APR 1.0>0.6 MAY 1.0>0.6

What was the original reason the DTWKIX flight was cxld? Im pretty sure NW did it and not DL but it was always packed..now SEAKIX is being lessenned..maybe they should keep HKG and bring KIX back to DTW

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: NWA330nut
Posted 2012-12-18 18:08:22 and read 6746 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

DL ATL-MXP MAY 0.5>0
*DL ATL-VCE JUN 1.0>0.9 JUL 1.0>0.8 AUG 1.0>0.9
*DL DTW-FCO MAY 0.5>0
*DL JFK-FCO JUN 2>1.6 JUL 2>1.6 AUG 2>1.5
*DL JFK-PSA JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.5 AUG 1.0>0.6

Any idea what is up with Italy? More of a focus through AMS and CDG?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-12-18 18:22:58 and read 6688 times.

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Reply 39):
What was the original reason the DTWKIX flight was cxld? Im pretty sure NW did it and not DL but it was always packed..now SEAKIX is being lessenned..maybe they should keep HKG and bring KIX back to DTW

DTW-KIX was in late 2008/early 2009, right around the time of the merger but also at the depths of the US economic downturn. KIX was an extremely high cost airport. DTW-KIX is not coming back anytime soon.

Simply because a flight goes less-than-daily for a few months does not necessarily mean it is in danger of being cut
(enilria is going to call me out and say I'm wrong and that anytime a flight gets reduced at all or less than daily that is at risk of being cut, so be it)

Quoting NWA330nut (Reply 40):

Any idea what is up with Italy? More of a focus through AMS and CDG?

The European economy and specifically Italy. The US-Italy flights rely mostly on leisure and tourism travel with a significant spike in the summer months.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: southwest737500
Posted 2012-12-18 18:39:04 and read 6578 times.

I fly the CRJ 700 flight all the time....

[Edited 2012-12-18 18:41:08]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: N62NA
Posted 2012-12-18 18:43:00 and read 6575 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA LAX-EWR APR 7>12 MAY 8>13 JUN 8>14 JUL 8>14 AUG 8>13

Insane.

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 14):
Same for SFO-EWR. Looking up the schedule, these routes now have flights almost every hour. Very attractive schedule, but huge capacity increase.

Is it? They're (at least on EWR-LAX) almost all 738s. What a lousy offering from the "Star Alliance NYC Gateway."

Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
Just saw they did the same thing in EWR-SFO. That is one of the most blatantly anti-competitive things I've ever seen. DOT should slap them for that. A 75% frequency increase is beyond what is reasonable. Shame on them.

Well, VX has the superior product, so.... the better product "should" win. We'll have to wait and see though...

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: usflyguy
Posted 2012-12-18 19:06:14 and read 6471 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 43):
Well, VX has the superior product, so.... the better product "should" win. We'll have to wait and see though...

Going from one large UA hub to another, it's going to be hard for VX to get any premium, high-yielding traffic.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: N62NA
Posted 2012-12-18 19:12:57 and read 6430 times.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 44):

Going from one large UA hub to another, it's going to be hard for VX to get any premium, high-yielding traffic.

Well, they'll just need 8 people and they've got their F cabin full. With the right marketing to get the message out that their product in Y is superior to anything else out of EWR (UA or the token 1x per day AA 738), they'll do fine.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: iowaman
Posted 2012-12-18 19:38:37 and read 6301 times.

Quoting planespotting (Reply 22):
I'm starting to wonder if DTW-DSM is going to go mainline at some point. I believe on the schedule this change is made up of 3x CR9 and 2x CRJ (328 seats per day), which you could easily cut to 2x A319 and 1x CR9 and keep the exact same capacity ... basically doing to DTW-DSM what they've done to ATL-DSM. Or on a longer out timeline, perhaps 2x 717 and 1x CR9 and reduce capacity.
Quoting enilria (Reply 23):
With Pinnacle's whole fleet of 140 CRJs going away it would seem such things are likely

I wonder what will happen to the CR9 maintenance base in DSM then? It appears MEM-DSM is disappearing next Spring, maybe the additional DTW-DSM flight is because of that.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: NWADTWE16
Posted 2012-12-18 19:52:22 and read 6244 times.

Quoting planespotting (Reply 22):
I'm starting to wonder if DTW-DSM is going to go mainline at some point. I believe on the schedule this change is made up of 3x CR9 and 2x CRJ (328 seats per day), which you could easily cut to 2x A319 and 1x CR9 and keep the exact same capacity

Im hoping they are starting finally to expand the banks out of DTW..i think that increasing frequency using this route as an example along with the other 3 or 4 markets seeing 1 more Daily is a signal of this. NW had 10 banks at one point and most markets are at 5-6 now with a few as high as 9 but many as low as 1-3 flights per day.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-12-18 19:56:23 and read 6232 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 43):

Well, VX has the superior product, so.... the better product "should" win.

How's that working out for them ?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: NWADTWE16
Posted 2012-12-18 20:00:12 and read 6202 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 48):
How's that working out for them ?

Hows the MD11 working out?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: NWA330nut
Posted 2012-12-18 20:08:41 and read 6155 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 41):
The European economy and specifically Italy. The US-Italy flights rely mostly on leisure and tourism travel with a significant spike in the summer months.

Could you expand on this a bit more? I consider June - August mostly summer time so the way it seems is that there is a massive shortage of demand (double - dip recession in Italy) and the summer "spike" still doesn't make up for it.

Correct?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: FSDan
Posted 2012-12-18 21:07:53 and read 5930 times.

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 30):
C'mon guys, MEM-EWR-TXL. Just have to choose the right airline....

You beat me to it! Maybe MEM-ORD-TXL as well on AA/AB.

Also, it's noteworthy that even if MEM-JFK were not ending, you still wouldn't be able to get a one-stop to BER on DL since they dropped JFK-BER last year...

Point taken though. It's certainly getting more difficult to get places from MEM, and I suspect that will continue.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: boilerla
Posted 2012-12-18 22:22:45 and read 5713 times.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 45):
Well, they'll just need 8 people and they've got their F cabin full. With the right marketing to get the message out that their product in Y is superior to anything else out of EWR (UA or the token 1x per day AA 738), they'll do fine.

Right now LAX/SFO-EWR is one of the toughest upgrades in the UA system. Many times the F cabin is sold out a week in advance and nobody gets a CPU unless you fly the daily 777 (which may go away next summer with all the new capacity--unless it's needed for repositioning). Between the TPAC/TATL traffic that is in paid F/J, and the people that don't want to fly a transcon in domestic Y, UA does pretty well on this route as it is.

In Y, it's a lot of low fares since they are competing with every other LAX/SFO-NYC flight out there. That's the crux of VX's problem IMHO. They're competing for junk fares against airlines that have loyal FF customers and better schedules/networks.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: apodino
Posted 2012-12-18 22:30:04 and read 5671 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 26):

It's slightly different, but US still trumpeted DL service in competitive markets and ultimately are going to gain hourly BE1s to PHL. Who was that good for?

Dropping like flies? This is only two markets we are talking about? I can't name one other market that has been dropped since this deal went through...not one. Remember that US had no CVG service prior to this deal, and now they are going up to four daily, and given the DL mess...this is good news for them. XNA was doomed before it even started for the reasons mentioned. As for DCA seems like a good market for such service....there are a couple of other factors I didn't mention that are in play. One is that DCA has had a major problem with Gate space and the whole operation since this deal went through for US, so spreading the departures out a bit makes more sense. But the bigger problem with YOW. They still have the CLT flight which is popular, and a healthy frequency from PHL where it is easy to route customers. DCA had to be mainly O and D driven to work, and even though it is a capital to capital flight, there just doesn't seem to be the O and D there to make it work.

I don't think you are going to see many more capacity shifts in DCA. This is only two markets and I can't see any more on the surface that are in danger. Most of the ones that would appear to be candidates on the surface (FAY, OAJ, VPS) are all routes with a heavy military presence.

That being said...I don't think US will get the OKC slot that they are seeking, and only because they already have plenty of slots.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):

BUT wit the additional BA flight, would this be an A380 route?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't even think BOS can handle the A380 at the moment except in an emergency. Terminal E certainly is not built for an aircraft that size, and the rest of the ground infastructure isn't there either.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-CLT APR 1.8>1.0

I don't know what DL has into LGA from CLT, but US has added capacity to JFK from CLT in recent years, plus B6 is present. DL could be ceding this route since connections can be routed through other hubs.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**AA BOS-LHR APR 2>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

*BA BOS-LHR APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4

There is a more in depth discussion of this here
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/5635001/

[Edited 2012-12-18 22:31:07]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: southwest737500
Posted 2012-12-19 03:24:47 and read 5260 times.

I hope that with DL cutting some frequency from JFK CLT I hope that helps B6 I would hate to see them go

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-12-19 05:34:50 and read 5002 times.

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 55):
hope that with DL cutting some frequency from JFK CLT I hope that helps B6 I would hate to see them go
Quoting apodino (Reply 53):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-CLT APR 1.8>1.0

I don't know what DL has into LGA from CLT, but US has added capacity to JFK from CLT in recent years, plus B6 is present. DL could be ceding this route since connections can be routed through other hubs.

Don't read too much into this one.

DL is going 1x daily JFK-CLT in January-March, and now just extended it out through April. The 2nd daily flight that operates 6 days per week was now bumped out to resume in May.

DL has always had token prescence on JFK-CLT, to connect to the international banks. This is the first full year with the increased LGA service so there were always going to be some adjustments, particularly during the slower travel periods.
DL is still flying 6x per day on LGA-CLT on 2-class RJs.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-12-19 06:56:14 and read 4774 times.

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 30):
C'mon guys, MEM-EWR-TXL. Just have to choose the right airline....  

 
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 31):
Yes. Memphis produces minimal traffic to these secondary markets, so the fact that they have to double connect is not important.

I completely disagree. MEM provides minimal traffic to all markets. Not fair to single out secondary markets. The point is that MEM has fallen from a transatlantic gateway to a place that doesn't generate enough traffic to have a flight *to* a transatlantic gateway.

Quoting mariner (Reply 32):
That's confusing to me. It wasn't loaded in the schedule extension, it has only just appeared - some time after the schedule extension was posted.
Quoting mariner (Reply 32):
Your thread - your rules. I guess I shouldn't regard the Frontier changes listed here as comprehensive, then.

The problem could also be that F9 has only loaded 24 operations total for the entirety of 2013. With operation that infrequent it might not even meet the minimum service necessary to make the report. Regardless, everything that meets the minimum service levels of the report appears in here. The only things I remove are: sometimes G4 because people say they don't file accurate schedules and obvious mistakes like SU flying MSP-JFK. If the F9 change meets the programmed requirements they appear. With 24 operations for an entire year loaded I'm not sure that's much to talk about anyway...
The rules are applied are the same for everybody. Do we all really want to be looking at thousands of lines like DL ATL-TYS APR 9.3>9.2 MAY 10.0>9.9 ???

Quoting NWA330nut (Reply 40):
DL ATL-MXP MAY 0.5>0
*DL ATL-VCE JUN 1.0>0.9 JUL 1.0>0.8 AUG 1.0>0.9
*DL DTW-FCO MAY 0.5>0
*DL JFK-FCO JUN 2>1.6 JUL 2>1.6 AUG 2>1.5
*DL JFK-PSA JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.5 AUG 1.0>0.6

Any idea what is up with Italy? More of a focus through AMS and CDG?
Quoting NWA330nut (Reply 50):
Could you expand on this a bit more? I consider June - August mostly summer time so the way it seems is that there is a massive shortage of demand (double - dip recession in Italy) and the summer "spike" still doesn't make up for it.

They went over the fiscal cliff.  

Given the traffic is all U.S. POS I'm still kind of surprised it could be down that much.

Part of the irony of the situation is that normally when an economy stumbles it is really cheap to visit so tourism surges, but the Euro prevents that.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 43):
Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
Just saw they did the same thing in EWR-SFO. That is one of the most blatantly anti-competitive things I've ever seen. DOT should slap them for that. A 75% frequency increase is beyond what is reasonable. Shame on them.

Well, VX has the superior product, so.... the better product "should" win. We'll have to wait and see though...

You are joking, right? Product rarely wins. Market dominance and control of passenger loyalty nearly always wins.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 46):
I wonder what will happen to the CR9 maintenance base in DSM then? It appears MEM-DSM is disappearing next Spring, maybe the additional DTW-DSM flight is because of that.

I'm sure that stays. Many CR9s coming.

Quoting apodino (Reply 53):
Dropping like flies? This is only two markets we are talking about? I can't name one other market that has been dropped since this deal went through...not one.

AVL/DFW/XNA/YHZ/YOW have all been dropped in the last 5 months. AVL and YHZ are not for sale in Summer '13 and were the prior year. DCA-LIT and VPS started with 2 and are down to 1. Loads on both are pretty poor with months of 40 and 50 % loads. They are both in the upper 60%s now. They probably don't survive.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-12-19 07:07:34 and read 4741 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 57):
I completely disagree. MEM provides minimal traffic to all markets. Not fair to single out secondary markets. The point is that MEM has fallen from a transatlantic gateway to a place that doesn't generate enough traffic to have a flight *to* a transatlantic gateway.

ATL, DTW, MSP, CVG, (LGA bus connection to JFK)

The point is that MEM-JFK is not sustainable since it has minimal domestic connections, minimal O&D (that is likely going to LGA instead), and is a long & thin route that relies primarily on connections to secondary TATL destinations (some of which aren't even being flown this year in the first place).

Everyone knew that MEM-AMS was almost entirely supported by connecting feed. Not surprised to see that MEM-JFK is not going to operate.

I think what could agruably be more significant is that 1 of the 3 MEM-LGA flights is downgauged to a 2-class RJ after the holiday season. (2x 319, 1x CR7). I remember when everyone made a big deal a few years ago when BOS-MEM when Airlink instead of mainline.

Quoting enilria (Reply 57):
They went over the fiscal cliff.

Given the traffic is all U.S. POS I'm still kind of surprised it could be down that much.

Part of the irony of the situation is that normally when an economy stumbles it is really cheap to visit so tourism surges, but the Euro prevents that.

Either way, DL is being much more conservative in its TATL capacity, which we've seen them do with the winter schedule but now more so with the summer schedule. They're pumping up capacity into the hubs, and being more conservative in the secondary/seasonal/leisure markets.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: Coronado
Posted 2012-12-19 07:38:27 and read 4689 times.

At the Investor's Day conference last week (Dec 12th) Delta gave guidance that they expect net profits after tax in excess of 1.6bn in 2012, and are planning on improvements from this level in 2013, while still basing their numbers on a projection of $3/gal JetA. Delta has have a large mainline fleet, 75% of which is owned, and they will aggressively park fully depreciated planes during slow travel periods so they don't 'p*ss' away profits earned during the busier demand periods. I expect their contract carriers to be required to operate with similar flexibility witht their regional fleets.

Considering that IATA is forecasting ALL their member airlines to COLLECTIVELY earn a revised 6.4bn (up from 4.1bn USD) this year, Delta must be doing something right with its aggressive obsession in micromanaging routes and frequencies, and adjusting seasonal start and stop dates, to account for 25% of global airline industry profits. The Delta dartboard seems to work -they certainly seem to have the team and systems to analyze profitability at a very microscopic level, and seems to have the team to manage and implement svery quick changes in gauge and frequency.

Hard to argue with their results.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: FlyPNS1
Posted 2012-12-19 07:39:32 and read 4684 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 57):
The point is that MEM has fallen from a transatlantic gateway to a place that doesn't generate enough traffic to have a flight *to* a transatlantic gateway.

But that's blatantly false. MEM has service to ATL, DTW which are both DL transatlantic gateways. Not to mention places like ORD and EWR.

Quoting enilria (Reply 57):
DCA-LIT and VPS started with 2 and are down to 1.

Wrong. VPS was started with 1. Then bumped up to 2. Then, cut back down to 1.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: AVLAirlineFreq
Posted 2012-12-19 07:42:09 and read 4671 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 57):
AVL/DFW/XNA/YHZ/YOW have all been dropped in the last 5 months. AVL and YHZ are not for sale in Summer '13 and were the prior year. DCA-LIT and VPS started with 2 and are down to 1. Loads on both are pretty poor with months of 40 and 50 % loads. They are both in the upper 60%s now. They probably don't survive.

DCA-AVL has run only 1x/week just during the summer for a few years (and I'm not even sure it's run every summer during that time) . Is DCA-YHZ weekly summer seasonal, too?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: apodino
Posted 2012-12-19 09:12:10 and read 4498 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 57):
AVL/DFW/XNA/YHZ/YOW have all been dropped in the last 5 months. AVL and YHZ are not for sale in Summer '13 and were the prior year. DCA-LIT and VPS started with 2 and are down to 1. Loads on both are pretty poor with months of 40 and 50 % loads. They are both in the upper 60%s now. They probably don't survive.

Again I raise the BS flag. DFW for starters is an AA monopoly route and it is not a route that US is going to do well on without the merger. YHZ was Saturday only...so I wouldn't read too much into this and I believe AVL was too. As I mentioned, VPS is a military route with Eglin Air Force Base....so I don't think that this route would be dropped entirely as there is a need for service. LIT is one city I could see on the chopping block. Even if the load factor is in the upper 60 percent as you say....we don't know what the yields are. I would have to think that with no other service, yields would be somewhat decent, and with VPS you know the military is providing some good yields to US there.

It is clear that US wants most of DCA to be monopoly routes so that they can maximize pricing power. That much is clear.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-12-19 09:54:38 and read 4408 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 57):
The problem could also be that F9 has only loaded 24 operations total for the entirety of 2013. With operation that infrequent it might not even meet the minimum service necessary to make the report.

Then I don't know how it operates, or how there could be a reduction - as posted here - in TTN-MCO when there wasn't in reality.

But as I said - your thread, your rules.

mariner

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: HVNandrew
Posted 2012-12-19 10:36:09 and read 4341 times.

Quoting apodino (Reply 53):
I don't know what DL has into LGA from CLT, but US has added capacity to JFK from CLT in recent years, plus B6 is present. DL could be ceding this route since connections can be routed through other hubs.

As indicated above, DL isn't pulling away from the NYC-CLT market. They have very healthy service levels to CLT out of LGA. This is just an example of DL really pulling away from the short-haul domestic side of JFK. Almost all of the short-haul flying has been reduced to primarily only serve the international banks. Longer haul JFK domestic flying seems to be holding its own though, which is nice to see.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-12-19 10:55:49 and read 4315 times.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 60):
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 58):

Yes, MEM has service to transatlantic gateways. Most of those hubs you mention only have service to 3 or 4 Europe destinations year round. While that is technically a transatlantic gateway, it is not in the same strata as JFK. ATL is a substantial gateway, but they aren't flying to MEM for the Atlantic traffic. Lol

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 60):

With VPS-DCA that's only because the slots didn't hit all at once. They increase was announced before the first flight started.

Quoting apodino (Reply 62):

DFW is only a monopoly route because US dropped it, lol. US claimed this slot deal would provide competition in major markets and new service in smaller markets that couldnt get service before. Instead they dropped a bunch of cities, repurposed the slots and are now asking DOT for another slot to fly OKC when they could very easily add the route with slots from one of these dropped routes. If you truly do not think they are only trying to grab slots to block competition you are ignoring 20 years of US Airways history of wasting slots at DCA and LGA with crummy turboprops while LCCs were frozen out or left with tiny scraps. US also just acquired even more slots at DCA from Rjet/YX/F9 and didn't even ask for regulatory approval. How many of those slots were used to compete in new markets or add new ones? Zero. Yet, US Airways strongly believes in their OKC application.

Quoting mariner (Reply 63):

You can choose not to believe me, but I do not edit this except as i described. The programming is the same for all airlines.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-12-19 11:14:50 and read 4280 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 65):
You can choose not to believe me, but I do not edit this except as i described. The programming is the same for all airlines.

It isn't a question of "not believing you." If you say that is what the information is, I have no reason not to believe you.

It isn't personal.

But you seem to agree that there is a problem ("The problem could also be that F9 has only loaded 24 operations total for the entirety of 2013".) and my only concern is to try and keep the record straight.

Obviously, some of the Frontier information is inaccurate, so perhaps your Allegiant rule applies:

Quoting enilria (Reply 57):
The only things I remove are: sometimes G4 because people say they don't file accurate schedules

mariner

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: apodino
Posted 2012-12-19 11:21:33 and read 4267 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 65):
DFW is only a monopoly route because US dropped it, lol. US claimed this slot deal would provide competition in major markets and new service in smaller markets that couldnt get service before. Instead they dropped a bunch of cities, repurposed the slots and are now asking DOT for another slot to fly OKC when they could very easily add the route with slots from one of these dropped routes. If you truly do not think they are only trying to grab slots to block competition you are ignoring 20 years of US Airways history of wasting slots at DCA and LGA with crummy turboprops while LCCs were frozen out or left with tiny scraps. US also just acquired even more slots at DCA from Rjet/YX/F9 and didn't even ask for regulatory approval. How many of those slots were used to compete in new markets or add new ones? Zero. Yet, US Airways strongly believes in their OKC application.

I respectfully disagree with your assessment....and you seem to be making mountains out of anthills. First of all...as I clearly stated before....US wanted the slots so that they could add more monopoly routes out of DCA. Lets see....they have added YUL, CVG, OAJ, VPS, FAY, MEM, among other routes out of DCA. You keep saying they are dropping cities like flies. As I have clearly mentioned, DFW was dropped only because it was served by AA (Who US is trying to merge with I might add) and US wants monopoly routes out of DCA, which is not DFW. Two of the other cities you mention were only seasonal Saturday service so I don't even think those are relevant to the discussion. And i have already mentioned XNA and OKC application...unless US thinks there is FAA money to be made on this route (OKC is the home of a major FAA training facility for ATC), it is a bit suspicious and given the amount of slots they already have...everyone knows they are not going to get it....so OKC is a hail mary pass IMO.

Everyone agrees that they wasted slots at LGA, even US themselves, which is why they made this deal. I don't believe they have wasted any slots at DCA, since just about every route they are flying out of DCA is a moneymaker for them at the moment. They do need to solve the remote RJ parking problem though, as that operation has been one cluster since the slots were added to DCA.

[Edited 2012-12-19 11:33:30]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: HPRamper
Posted 2012-12-19 12:55:59 and read 4121 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 65):
If you truly do not think they are only trying to grab slots to block competition you are ignoring 20 years of US Airways history of wasting slots at DCA and LGA with crummy turboprops while LCCs were frozen out or left with tiny scraps. US also just acquired even more slots at DCA from Rjet/YX/F9 and didn't even ask for regulatory approval. How many of those slots were used to compete in new markets or add new ones? Zero. Yet, US Airways strongly believes in their OKC application.

While US may not need or deserve the OKC slot, there is nothing inherently wrong with what they are doing at DCA or for that matter what they did at LGA. Capitalism at its finest (or worst). If anyone is at fault for anything, it's the DOT for falling for the US siren song.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: N62NA
Posted 2012-12-19 13:10:39 and read 4080 times.

Quoting boilerla (Reply 52):
Right now LAX/SFO-EWR is one of the toughest upgrades in the UA system. Many times the F cabin is sold out a week in advance and nobody gets a CPU unless you fly the daily 777

UA has a 777 out of EWR to the west coast???

Quoting enilria (Reply 57):

You are joking, right? Product rarely wins. Market dominance and control of passenger loyalty nearly always wins.

No, I'm not joking. VX isn't out to dominate the route, their strategy is to offer a better customer experience and win enough passenger's loyalty that they make money on the route.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-12-19 18:43:29 and read 3817 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 65):

I wouldn't call it a problem there just has to be a filter on small frequency changes or the report would be huge.

I delete G4 sometimes because many people have said their OAG schedule is not real. Are you saying that is the case for F9?

Quoting apodino (Reply 66):

I don't know how you know all of US's remaining routes at DCA make money and I highly doubt they just closed the only 2 sub-par routes.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 67):

I'm not suggesting US's slots at DCA be taken away, but they should not be awarded any more and the Republic transaction should have been subject to review and comment. They should not award US any more slots.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 68):

I love the underdog and fully support VX, my point is that the deck is stacked against them and allowing UA to go so far to be anti-competitive basically gives them no chance. I don't like it, but that's what has happened.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-12-19 18:58:33 and read 3780 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 69):
I delete G4 sometimes because many people have said their OAG schedule is not real. Are you saying that is the case for F9?

I have no idea and I wouldn't be so presumptuous.

All I know is that there have been inconsistencies and information which doesn't tally with what is in the booking engine.

mariner

[Edited 2012-12-19 19:17:24]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: ouboy79
Posted 2012-12-19 19:43:47 and read 3684 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 70):
I have no idea and I wouldn't be so presumptuous.

All I know is that there have been inconsistencies and information which doesn't tally with what is in the booking engine.

I think we all appreciate seeing these reports, but we've seen several times that these reports just need to be taken with a grain of salt. They don't account for capacity changes and they are exposed to loading errors, seasonal adjustments, and as just pointed out low frequency routes are removed.

Take them for what they are, a nice high level look at route changes.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-12-19 20:06:50 and read 3644 times.

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 71):
think we all appreciate seeing these reports, but we've seen several times that these reports just need to be taken with a grain of salt. They don't account for capacity changes and they are exposed to loading errors, seasonal adjustments, and as just pointed out low frequency routes are removed.

Then I'm these threads are great for those who follow airlines that don't have many low frequency routes.

mariner

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: azjubilee
Posted 2012-12-19 21:10:11 and read 3568 times.

For the HA changes...

HNL-SJC is being seasonally cut for April and will return 4x weekly in May.
OGG-SJC will remain daily, as it is now.

3x weekly HNL-LAS (flights 6/5) will be cut for the April/May months to allow the SYD and BNE increases for this high demand period. HNL-LAS will still have 2 daily 330s.

HNL-OAK which is 4x weekly now, will shift to new days and increase back to daily in June.
OGG-OAK will remain daily.

OGG-LAS will be seasonally 2x weekly.

OGG-LAX will increase to 2x daily for the summer. Day and red-eye flights eastbound. Morning and afternoon westbound. (recently announced)

OGG-PDX will see 3 springbreak rotations. Hopefully this flight returns with more consistent frequencies.

Of course, HNL-AKL starts in March, HNL-TPE starts in July .

No need for panic... HA is simply adjusting schedules to maximize revenues and profits. Oh... and this information can be found in the recent investors day presentations.

[Edited 2012-12-19 21:17:06]

[Edited 2012-12-19 21:19:32]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-12-20 12:35:30 and read 3204 times.

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 73):
For the HA changes...

Thanks for the summary of next summer's HA mainland flying az; I will assume it's complete -- well, as accurate as anything these days can be in the airline schedule-world 6 months out!

bb

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 12/21/2012:AA/BA/B6/DL/F9/NKUA/US
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2012-12-20 13:51:16 and read 3063 times.

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 63):
Longer haul JFK domestic flying seems to be holding its own though, which is nice to see.

Yeah Delta has no choice on that because of the LGA perimeter rule. Basically fly everything that needs international connections and cant be flown out of LGA


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