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Topic: Crumpled ANA 767 Fixed!
Username: RobK
Posted 2012-12-20 07:42:08 and read 16161 times.

Previous (now archived) thread :

Status Of ANA 767-381ER JA610A Damaged 6/20? (by DTWPurserBoy Oct 21 2012 in Civil Aviation)

From my sources at ANA :

JA610A flew a test flight on Dec 19 as NH9201 following repairs after its landing accident earlier in the year. It's scheduled re entry into service is planned for 26 Dec LCL time as NH919/220 NRT-PVG-NRT.

  

[Edited 2012-12-20 07:42:43]

Topic: RE: Crumpled ANA 767 Fixed!
Username: TC957
Posted 2012-12-20 08:49:22 and read 15807 times.

Wow, that's a bit of a surprise, a good surprise I might add. I know she's only 10 yrs old but other aircraft that age have hit the scrappers axe without having a bent-up hard landing. Also with the new 787's coming on line I wonder if ANA's accountants didn't just want to have her scrapped for a good future spares source.

Topic: RE: Crumpled ANA 767 Fixed!
Username: n471wn
Posted 2012-12-20 09:19:53 and read 15535 times.

This is marvelous news and thanks so much for the information!! This makes the scrapping of the LOT 767 involved with the gear up landing easier to bear!!

Topic: RE: Crumpled ANA 767 Fixed!
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-20 11:42:08 and read 14978 times.

Japanese efficiency at its finest  glad to see that she'll be flying again.

Topic: RE: Crumpled ANA 767 Fixed!
Username: akelley728
Posted 2012-12-20 21:48:33 and read 8843 times.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 2):
This makes the scrapping of the LOT 767 involved with the gear up landing easier to bear!!



For me it makes it worse. If they can fix the ANA bird, why not the LOT one? Aren't they around the same age?

[Edited 2012-12-20 21:56:59]

Topic: RE: Crumpled ANA 767 Fixed!
Username: wjcandee
Posted 2012-12-20 22:46:52 and read 8295 times.



Quoting akelley728 (Reply 4):
If they can fix the ANA bird, why not the LOT one?

This presupposes that the extent of the damage was equivalent on both aircraft and that age in years is a fair measure of market value, both of which probably aren't the case. (Cycles and time-to-next-major-airframe-overhaul are significant additional financial factors, for example.)

However, that said, sometimes there are factors at work other than the typical cost/benefit analysis, and these lead to the aircraft being repaired rather than scrapped. Comparing to the automobile world, one would say the difference between considering the car "totalled" (a "total loss") or repair-worthy. As you know, the usual analysis is: What's the market value of the item? If cost to repair exceeds market value, then just write it off and scrap it.

Sometimes, things like lease provisions affect this analysis. If I'm the owner of the MD11 that Delta burned up on the ramp, and I have a contract that requires Delta to return the aircraft to me in working condition, and there's no provision for them to substitute an "equivalent" aircraft (i.e. go buy one on the open market and give me that one instead), then I can force them to repair it before return. I might use this provision as leverage to work a deal where I recoup all or part of the repair cost as an offset against the already-diminished market value of the aircraft, but there might be tax reasons not to do so. It all depends. In any event, my understanding is that in the case of the DL MD11 that was repaired, the lease provisions altered the usual economics sufficiently that a decision was made to repair an aircraft that might not otherwise have been repaired.

Tax laws may affect the decision as well.

[Edited 2012-12-20 22:48:54]

Topic: RE: Crumpled ANA 767 Fixed!
Username: Q
Posted 2012-12-21 00:15:14 and read 7484 times.

I recalled that was similar to RAM 767 damaged in JFK hard landing but they repaired and now back to flying.

Q

Topic: RE: Crumpled ANA 767 Fixed!
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2012-12-21 01:10:54 and read 6922 times.

Great News......Fantastic effort....Is there a video/Slideshow on the work done.....

Topic: RE: Crumpled ANA 767 Fixed!
Username: kochikaze
Posted 2012-12-21 04:01:43 and read 5352 times.

Here is official announcement.

【Notice】 Regarding the aircraft flown as NH956 on June 20th, 2012.
http://www.ana.co.jp/topics/notice121214/index_e.html

Topic: RE: Crumpled ANA 767 Fixed!
Username: EASTERN747
Posted 2012-12-21 10:30:38 and read 2597 times.

Any news on what happened to the crew that did the hard landing?

Topic: RE: Crumpled ANA 767 Fixed!
Username: airportugal310
Posted 2012-12-21 10:51:19 and read 2534 times.

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 9):
Any news on what happened to the crew that did the hard landing?

Hard landing...hard time!   

Topic: RE: Crumpled ANA 767 Fixed!
Username: moose135
Posted 2012-12-21 11:02:04 and read 2495 times.

Quoting Q (Reply 6):
I recalled that was similar to RAM 767 damaged in JFK hard landing but they repaired and now back to flying.

From the photos in the earlier thread, it looks very much like the damage I saw on the RAM 767.


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