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Topic: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: RDH3E
Posted 2012-12-19 07:53:20 and read 24761 times.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...nal-domestic-routes-153000543.html

Quote:
CHICAGO, Dec. 19, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines today announced plans to launch nonstop service on several new international and domestic routes beginning in the spring of 2013, including:

New flights to Latin America from Chicago and Washington, D.C.
New service to Canada from Denver, New York, and Washington, D.C.
Additional domestic routes from Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: ItalianFlyer
Posted 2012-12-19 07:58:02 and read 24708 times.

Interesting how there is a long thread about ORD-Latin America and......viola!! Jeff must be lurking LOL  

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: tommy767
Posted 2012-12-19 08:27:55 and read 24200 times.

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 2):

Most of these routes are 1-3 times weekly to Latam. Still very interesting adds especially LAX-ICT and EWR-YEG

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: vinniewinnie
Posted 2012-12-19 08:28:16 and read 24175 times.

Denver Fort McMurray that is an interesting one!!!

Would Chicago not have made better sense? I guess Denver is more centrally located, enabling traffic to be spread north, south, east & west!

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: STT757
Posted 2012-12-19 08:44:49 and read 23907 times.

Well balanced growth, pretty much everyone gets something in this announcement except CLE and SFO (although SFO has had some adds like FLL within recent weeks). Santa Fe is a nice addition, popular tourist area. But what I'm most impressed is this quote from the announcement; "Fort McMurray will be United's 18th destination in Canada. "

18 destinations in Canada is really impressive.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-12-19 08:46:38 and read 23878 times.

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 4):
Denver Fort McMurray that is an interesting one!!!

It's not that Americans want to go to YMM. It's that folks in YMM want to get out, and the new nouveau-riche have the money to do it.

Good-bye tar-sand smell -- hello Mexican riviera.  

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-12-19 08:51:48 and read 23793 times.

The IAD-YVR route comes and goes.

Btw, there are an amazing number BC kids here in the University of Maryland system.

Also btw, Simon Fraser University in Burnaby recently joined the NCAA and plays some US sports.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: STT757
Posted 2012-12-19 08:51:59 and read 23795 times.

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 4):
Denver Fort McMurray that is an interesting one!!!

Another example of a Oil boom town, from Wikipedia:

Quote:
Fort McMurray is considered the heart of one of Alberta's (and Canada's) major hubs of oil production, located near the Athabasca Oil Sands. Besides the oil sands, the economy also relies on natural gas and oil pipelines, forestry and tourism. Oil sand companies include Syncrude, Suncor Energy, CNRL, Shell, and Nexen.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-12-19 08:52:38 and read 23757 times.

GRR-IAD is interesting as it will hurt FL/WN's questionable BWI service. I'm kind of surprised they wanted to go into the market given the LCC fares.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: saloman
Posted 2012-12-19 08:54:37 and read 23708 times.

If I'm not mistaken all of the Canadian routes would be covered by the AC-UA joint venture confirmed in October?

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-12-19 08:54:43 and read 23720 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
Well balanced growth, pretty much everyone gets something in this announcement except CLE and SFO

Yup, and it looks like UA continues to take advantages of cross-fleeting. The 738 is the right airplane for ORD-FAI, and up to the merger, UA didn't have any of those. It's the same story with the 319 on EWR-YEG.

I went through IAD yesterday and continue to be surprised by the number of 737s, which I think have outnumbered Airbii the last few times I've been there. On the Express side, there are gobs of Dashes. That's all good news.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: STT757
Posted 2012-12-19 09:05:08 and read 23563 times.

UA is building upon CO's success in Central America with the ORD and IAD additions, in this area (Central America) the only thing one could wish for would be to bring back the Central America routes UA acquired from Pan Am:

LAX-
Guatemala City, San Salvador, San Jose

If not from LAX perhaps SFO?

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: jetlanta
Posted 2012-12-19 09:10:46 and read 23459 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):

GRR-IAD is interesting as it will hurt FL/WN's questionable BWI service. I'm kind of surprised they wanted to go into the market given the LCC fares.

Delta supported high fares to DCA while AirTran had rock-bottom bargain fares to BWI. The current BWI fares are no bargain and certainly wont be when WN takes over the route.

And there is nothing questionable about the GRR-BWI service except in your own mind, my friend. Trust.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: Roseflyer
Posted 2012-12-19 09:14:46 and read 23402 times.

Will ORD-FAI be the farthest east Fairbanks has ever had nonstop service to?

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: vinniewinnie
Posted 2012-12-19 09:17:16 and read 23356 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):
It's not that Americans want to go to YMM. It's that folks in YMM want to get out, and the new nouveau-riche have the money to do it.

Good-bye tar-sand smell -- hello Mexican riviera.  

I know I know been there myself and it stinks (of money and chemicals) ! Still though given that people from there can work up to 2 weeks, 12 hours per day no weekend straight and then go home for a week or two, I would think Chicago or New-York would be better destinations due to the fact that some people there come from all over the world!

Going to the Mexican Riviera on your own does get tiring! Better go and see the wife or the girlfriend no? (if you have one at least)

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: SonomaFlyer
Posted 2012-12-19 09:27:08 and read 23201 times.

The choice to go YMM to DEN seems influenced by the fact folks want to holiday. That often equates to somewhere warm such as Latin America or possibly Hawaii/California. DEN provides service to all of those locations and you can also connect to flights headed east or south-east if desired.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-12-19 09:32:31 and read 23095 times.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 14):
Will ORD-FAI be the farthest east Fairbanks has ever had nonstop service to?

PA used to do JFK-FAI as part of JFK-FAI-NRT. Remember that PA served FAI instead of ANC historically.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: steex
Posted 2012-12-19 09:37:23 and read 23022 times.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 14):
Will ORD-FAI be the farthest east Fairbanks has ever had nonstop service to?

Well, technically that would be FRA at the moment.   But otherwise, yes, it's the easternmost connection they've had in a very long time.



[Edited 2012-12-19 09:38:14]

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-19 09:48:07 and read 22840 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 17):
Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 14):
Will ORD-FAI be the farthest east Fairbanks has ever had nonstop service to?

PA used to do JFK-FAI as part of JFK-FAI-NRT.

The FAI stop ended in 1976 when they began the first JFK-NRT nonstops with the 747SP. I expect they would have preferred to stop at ANC previously but Pan Am never had ANC traffic rights before deregulation.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: jporterfi
Posted 2012-12-19 10:53:09 and read 21463 times.

DEN-YMM is 1041 nm, blocked at 3 hours. LAX-ICT is also blocked at around 3 hours, and is 1045 nm. Those are long flights for CR7s (not in terms of operational capability but in terms of sitting on an RJ for that long)! I remember when UA operated an OO CR7 from ATL-DEN; it was about the same distance, and man was that a long flight. Not that I minded, but an E170 (which is what UA currently uses on that route) would have been nice at the time.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-12-19 10:59:14 and read 21321 times.

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 15):
Going to the Mexican Riviera on your own does get tiring! Better go and see the wife or the girlfriend no? (if you have one at least)

Last time I lived in a boom-town, there were girlfriends a-plenty at evey watering hole just for the asking. So, just send the money home, and all will be forgiven  

Btw, it was only a matter of time before a CanJet 735 ar a WestJet 736 did YMM--to--sunland

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-19 11:17:35 and read 20873 times.

The DEN-YMM-DEN schedule shows the northbound flight arriving at 2318 and the southbound flight leaving at 0600. Is that enough crew rest time? Including the time to get to/from a hotel they would barely have 4 hours for sleep. Or would the crew spend 2 nights in YMM?

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: 9252fly
Posted 2012-12-19 11:28:35 and read 20560 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
Or would the crew spend 2 nights in YMM?

Don't know how a layover in YMM would rate on the UAX crew's favorite places to overnight? I'm guessing it may be some sort of standup where the crew is still on duty.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: FlyPNS1
Posted 2012-12-19 11:31:11 and read 20508 times.

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 13):
And there is nothing questionable about the GRR-BWI service except in your own mind, my friend. Trust.

Not to mention that I doubt WN is really worried about 1 daily RJ being added to an airport that is 65 miles away from BWI.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: yegbey01
Posted 2012-12-19 11:49:57 and read 20339 times.

I think the YEG-EWR flight was just a matter of time. The market has always been there and it is nice to see UA further solidify their presence in the YEG market (with now 5 destinations).

I also think that YMM flight will do quite well for them. Don't know what they will charge, but people up there have too much money to burn and they will take this flight over connecting in YEG or YYC to save a few bucks

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2012-12-19 11:59:16 and read 20314 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):

I don't think GRR-IAD will hurt WN in BWI. FL flew that route at the same time DL flew DCA. If DCA didn't hurt BWI, IAD won't either.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: flyguy89
Posted 2012-12-19 12:00:58 and read 20380 times.

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 20):
not in terms of operational capability but in terms of sitting on an RJ for that long

Definitely true if you're in Y! Anybody know what the service will be like in F on these flights?

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: triley1057
Posted 2012-12-19 12:48:42 and read 19686 times.

I guess United still has beef with the city of Houston.   No new routes!

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: STT757
Posted 2012-12-19 12:53:05 and read 19600 times.

Quoting triley1057 (Reply 28):
I guess United still has beef with the city of Houston. No new routes!



They're reinstating Rapid City.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: Kaiarahi
Posted 2012-12-19 13:09:15 and read 19236 times.

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 4):
I guess Denver is more centrally located, enabling traffic to be spread north, south, east & west!

Short hop to LAS.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: JCWR56
Posted 2012-12-19 13:19:40 and read 18997 times.

ORD-SJO was discussed and a proposed schedule was looked at for this year but never developed. It's nice to see this being added in and probably will operate on Saturdays.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: BD338
Posted 2012-12-19 13:30:58 and read 18636 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):
Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 4):
Denver Fort McMurray that is an interesting one!!!

It's not that Americans want to go to YMM. It's that folks in YMM want to get out, and the new nouveau-riche have the money to do it.

I wouldn't discount the quiet presence of several major oil/energy businesses in the Denver area nor the presence of Oil Shale deposits in the Colorado area as a factor in this service. Several entities with Tar Sands operations play in the Oil Shale business.

Still, I was hoping this announcement would include news of a NS EWR-SLC service. Oh well, too late to hope for summer 2013?

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: brilondon
Posted 2012-12-19 13:53:12 and read 18129 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
Airbii

What is "Airbii"

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):

The DEN-YMM-DEN schedule shows the northbound flight arriving at 2318 and the southbound flight leaving at 0600. Is that enough crew rest time? Including the time to get to/from a hotel they would barely have 4 hours for sleep. Or would the crew spend 2 nights in YMM?

Does UA have any other flights into YMM, or would they dead head pilots out of YMM into YEG as an alternative to holding the crew over?

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-12-19 14:09:18 and read 17750 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
Well balanced growth, pretty much everyone gets something in this announcement except CLE and SFO (although SFO has had some adds like FLL within recent weeks).

SFO (which I am presently sitting at, in the GB next to 74) has had a pretty amazing time of it post-merger  

NS

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-12-19 14:14:05 and read 17596 times.

will the DEN-YMM service "steal" any traffic from IAH-YEG?

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-12-19 14:22:30 and read 17377 times.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 36):
will the DEN-YMM service "steal" any traffic from IAH-YEG?

You connect to YMM in Calgary rather than Edmonton.

So it shouldn't hurt IAH-YEG.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: mhkansan
Posted 2012-12-19 14:23:11 and read 17415 times.

UA is taking a dig at AA in SAF, the only player in the market, with the two new flights to DEN. I bet they'll fill seats but by now AA has a good ff base with four flights to DFW and LAX combined!

I'm happy for ICT-LAX, especially after Allegiant cut the route last year. Still waiting on DEN-MHK, of course!

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: eastern023
Posted 2012-12-19 14:24:18 and read 17326 times.

I always jump when they say new Latin American route....SCL has been in their books for quite sometime...

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-12-19 14:36:38 and read 17081 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 37):
You connect to YMM in Calgary rather than Edmonton.

So it shouldn't hurt IAH-YEG.

Many of the people I know drive from YEG in crew buses/vans and such, sorry I was thinking of that

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: Caspian27
Posted 2012-12-19 14:38:57 and read 17046 times.

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 20):
I remember when UA operated an OO CR7 from ATL-DEN; it was about the same distance, and man was that a long flight. Not that I minded, but an E170 (which is what UA currently uses on that route) would have been nice at the time.

Actually OO is currently operating DEN-ATL.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
On the Express side, there are gobs of Dashes. That's all good news.

Not sure how you can be excited about the Dash's. YX is very firmly last in every UAX performance metric. I guess the Q400 is a capable plane...if your flight actually operates.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: saloman
Posted 2012-12-19 14:45:41 and read 16849 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 41):
While that might be legal, it doesn't sound terribly safe. And two nights in YMM in January sounds pretty dreadful as a layover.

Of course it's safe, it just isn't fun. Based on the prices associated with staying in YMM (accommodation, food) I wouldn't be surprised if dead heading to YEG/YYC was actually cheaper to the airline.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-12-19 15:45:43 and read 15710 times.

Quoting triley1057 (Reply 28):
I guess United still has beef with the city of Houston. No new routes!

What would give you the ridiculous notion that there are any opportunities in the energy capital of the universe, in one of the most dynamic states in the nation, where OA has added loads of capacity to IAH/HOU/DFW/AUS? That's crazy talk! 
Quoting ScottB (Reply 41):
IMO IAH is far better than DEN for connections to sun destinations in the U.S., Latin America, & Caribbean. And it's going to have far deeper oil industry connections. But UA management is still pitching a temper tantrum about not getting their way with respect to the FIS at HOU. IAH-YMM would probably require an E170 or mainline aircraft, though, at just under 2000 statute miles.

   They're showing someone! Who that is I have no idea...

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2012-12-19 18:44:26 and read 12925 times.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 37):
UA is taking a dig at AA in SAF, the only player in the market, with the two new flights to DEN. I bet they'll fill seats but by now AA has a good ff base with four flights to DFW and LAX combined!

I doubt that UA is doing that. They would have added service long ago, if that was the case. The market is probably growing is all. Also from AA's stand point it is good to have UA there. It gets the community use to using SAF instead of ABQ. AA should welcome UA entering the market.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: beechtobus
Posted 2012-12-19 18:56:03 and read 12746 times.

I wonder will Great Lakes will do with DEN-SAF, I believe they just restarted this route after a several year hiatus (ZK ended it when DL connection and American Eagle started Santa Fe service). ZK connects Clovis NM (which I believe receives subsides from NM and/or EAS) to Denver via SAF. Any ideas if Great Lakes will keep DEN - SAF or route Clovis to Denver nonstop or as a one stop through another city.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: Cactus739
Posted 2012-12-19 19:15:53 and read 12418 times.

Will ORD-FAI be year round or is it a seasonal flight only?

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2012-12-19 20:12:22 and read 11651 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 21):
The DEN-YMM-DEN schedule shows the northbound flight arriving at 2318 and the southbound flight leaving at 0600. Is that enough crew rest time? Including the time to get to/from a hotel they would barely have 4 hours for sleep. Or would the crew spend 2 nights in YMM?
Quoting 9252fly (Reply 22):
Don't know how a layover in YMM would rate on the UAX crew's favorite places to overnight? I'm guessing it may be some sort of standup where the crew is still on duty.

= Double overnight. Expect young crew members and bitter ones in the morning. Great commercial move though as this opens up YMM to the South. I am surprised that AC or WS continues to ignore this one.

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: mingocr83
Posted 2012-12-19 23:44:06 and read 9814 times.

To add to the thread, the routes to SJO are, IAD-SJO-IAD and ORD-SJO-ORD, 3 times a week. Those routes were operated by the old United with A320 a few years back. The new United is picking up again those routes, specially the ORD one, several design firms in ORD have their near-shore operations/contractors in SJO so the business traffic could justify the route..

IAD, well, too much diplomatic traffic perhaps...My believe is that the IAD route will be axed in a few months and the ORD route will move to daily, too many Costarrican citizens live in ORD+business traffic...

As a side note...there are 18 United daily flights to SJO from EWR and IAH.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: vinniewinnie
Posted 2012-12-20 01:53:52 and read 8992 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 40):
It may make more sense in that the ASM's for DEN-YMM might allow them to make cuts elsewhere and still comply with the agreement with the City of Denver for reduced rents.

Pretty inefficient but guess it makes sense!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 50):
= Double overnight. Expect young crew members and bitter ones in the morning. Great commercial move though as this opens up YMM to the South. I am surprised that AC or WS continues to ignore this one.

Saludos,
A.

Young and motivated indeed   Expect a heavy aircraft as well as the flight will need to have double if not triple the amount of alcohol usually required! It will be an expensive operation but also a very high yielding one!

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: Hawaiian763
Posted 2012-12-20 04:52:03 and read 7915 times.

I thought EWR-YEG was a really odd route, but than I heard DEN-YMM, that's even more strange in my mind.

I'm a little confused as to why AC didn't do YEG-EWR and UA codeshare with them, especially since AC operates non-stop from both YVR and YYC. Is there really enough demand for an almost daily flight or is just mainly to help passengers connect to United's International network?

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: thenoflyzone
Posted 2012-12-20 04:56:40 and read 7849 times.

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 53):
I'm a little confused as to why AC didn't do YEG-EWR and UA codeshare with them, especially since AC operates non-stop from both YVR and YYC.


Doubt this route will go under the AC-UA joint venture, but if it does, it wont matter who operates the flight. Both AC and UA will share the revenues from it.

There are however 14 or so routes on which they still must compete. Something tells me this route will be added to that list.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...competition-bureau/article4633992/

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2012-12-20 05:12:00]

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2012-12-20 04:59:07 and read 7831 times.

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 53):

I thought EWR-YEG was a really odd route, but than I heard DEN-YMM, that's even more strange in my mind.

The Colorado School of Mines is not too far from DEN. There are a lot of mining professionals around Denver, as well as a bunch of petrochemical experts. It makes quite a bit of sense to me.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-12-20 05:54:07 and read 7326 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 40):
Not to be difficult, but why is the 738 superior to the A320 for ORD-FAI, and conversely, why is the A319 better for EWR-YEG than the 73G?

Not difficult at all. It's a fair question. ORD-FAI is a very long route for a 320, about 400 nm longer than JFK-LAX. Moreover, while I'm not an expert in Alaskan weather, I would think that if the weather is foul in FAI, the alternate is ANC and that's another 225 nm or so.

With respect to EWR-YEG, the issue isn't so much the capability of the airplane as the relative dearth of 73Gs. I think the 319's trip costs may also be somewhat lower.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: yegbey01
Posted 2012-12-20 06:10:39 and read 7185 times.

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 53):
I thought EWR-YEG was a really odd route, but than I heard DEN-YMM, that's even more strange in my mind.I'm a little confused as to why AC didn't do YEG-EWR and UA codeshare with them, especially since AC operates non-stop from both YVR and YYC. Is there really enough demand for an almost daily flight or is just mainly to help passengers connect to United's International network?

Why an odd route? YEG is hitting almost 7 million pax. And there is demand. UA has been running flights to 4 of its hubs for years so they know a thing or two about traffic patterns.

Don't think for a moment that the YYC - EWR flights do not depend on connecting traffic - and a big chunck of that comes from Edmonton!!!!

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-12-20 06:31:11 and read 7010 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 40):
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):it looks like UA continues to take advantages of cross-fleeting. The 738 is the right airplane for ORD-FAI, and up to the merger, UA didn't have any of those. It's the same story with the 319 on EWR-YEG.

Not to be difficult, but why is the 738 superior to the A320 for ORD-FAI, and conversely, why is the A319 better for EWR-YEG than the 73G?

Performance-wise, absolutely none.

But opinion-wise, those other one-hundred-thousand milers I chatted with seem to prefer the seats in the sUA Airbus to the seats in the sUA 737G.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-12-20 06:37:28 and read 6977 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 58):
Performance-wise, absolutely none.

Could the 320 reliably do ORD-FAI westbound? It would, I believe, be the longest 320 route in the system by a 10 percent or so margin (without accounting for the somewhat unique alternate issue), but I'm glad to be advised if that is incorrect.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: RiverCityFlyer
Posted 2012-12-20 07:55:05 and read 6357 times.

Nothing wrong with some growth!

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-12-20 09:16:59 and read 6143 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 59):
Could the 320 reliably do ORD-FAI westbound? It would, I believe, be the longest 320 route in the system by a 10 percent or so margin (without accounting for the somewhat unique alternate issue), but I'm glad to be advised if that is incorrect.

It's not the same, but currently sUA 319s are flying BOS-SFO at 6hr 50mn. I know the 319 can do the deed.

Btw, in my days as a NW elite, we've done DTW-ANC at over 6hrs flying into headwinds.

Opposite, I did DL ONT-ATL once in 3hr 46mn with a strong tailwind.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: saloman
Posted 2012-12-20 09:51:14 and read 6029 times.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 55):
The Colorado School of Mines is not too far from DEN. There are a lot of mining professionals around Denver, as well as a bunch of petrochemical experts. It makes quite a bit of sense to me.

Gotta disagree with the sentiment that the YMM flight is catering to oil and gas industry connections in Colorado. A few posters have mentioned it above, but YMM is full of predominantly young men (and some families) with tons of cash and a work schedule that sees them getting 1-2 consecutive weeks off. As such I expect the traffic on this route to be primarily leisure, with DEN makes sense from the perspective of easier connections south, southeast, and west. The rub being that "leisure fares" from YMM can be expected to be quite high yielding.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: mpdpilot
Posted 2012-12-20 10:32:13 and read 5908 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 58):
Performance-wise, absolutely none.

That is not entirely correct. Though the 319 v. 737 is closer the 320 v. 738 is quite different. There are numerous examples of 320s struggling to cross the US in the winter with headwinds. Could a 320 do it, sure, and if we were talking US, I am sure that is what they would use. However, when you are UA's position and you have the extra legs of the 738 why not use it.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 59):
Could the 320 reliably do ORD-FAI westbound? It would, I believe, be the longest 320 route in the system by a 10 percent or so margin (without accounting for the somewhat unique alternate issue), but I'm glad to be advised if that is incorrect.

  

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 61):
I know the 319 can do the deed.

319 Sure, 320 not as much.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: PMUA787
Posted 2012-12-20 10:38:40 and read 5885 times.

The area around YMM and Northern Alberta in general must be really booming. Here in the SEA area I have seen Opportunity Awaits adverts on King County Metro buses extolling the plethora of jobs and high wages up there.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: corinthians
Posted 2012-12-20 11:21:37 and read 5727 times.

Great news about the EWR-YEG route. I live in NYC, but my parents are still in Edmonton. I go to YEG several times a year and getting there is a pain in the ass as I have to fly through IAH, ORD, YYZ, MSP, DEN, YUL, YOW, SEA, LAX, SFO, YYC or YVR. Total trip often takes 10 hours. This will cut it in half. Hope it succeeds.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-20 11:26:10 and read 5695 times.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 50):
Great commercial move though as this opens up YMM to the South. I am surprised that AC or WS continues to ignore this one.

To "sun destinations" in the Caribbean etc. which should be popular winter destinations for YMM workers consider the climate, AC's twice-daily YMM-YYZ A319/320 nonstops are a better connecting option. Via DEN it would be a double connection to most of those points, and UA is a small player in the Caribbean..

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2012-12-20 12:09:56 and read 5557 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 59):
Could the 320 reliably do ORD-FAI westbound? It would, I believe, be the longest 320 route in the system by a 10 percent or so margin (without accounting for the somewhat unique alternate issue), but I'm glad to be advised if that is incorrect.

It is scheduled for the 737-800

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: Jamake1
Posted 2012-12-20 12:27:53 and read 5494 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 69):
The plural of Airbus is Airbus - because the plural of a trademark is its singular. One Airbus, two Airbus. One LEGO, two LEGO. One Toyota Camry, two Toyota Camry.

Listen closely on TV commercials - companies don't pluralize thier trademarks in fear of genericizing them like escalator and thermos.

Sort of like those who use the non-word, "anyways."

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: steex
Posted 2012-12-20 12:41:47 and read 5456 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 67):
To "sun destinations" in the Caribbean etc. which should be popular winter destinations for YMM workers consider the climate, AC's twice-daily YMM-YYZ A319/320 nonstops are a better connecting option. Via DEN it would be a double connection to most of those points, and UA is a small player in the Caribbean..

I assume the reasoning for DEN is to provide connections to sun destinations in the southwestern USA (California, Phoenix, Vegas) and the west coast of Mexico (Cabo, Puerto Vallarta, etc.). Those are closer than the Caribbean and tend to be very popular with folks in western USA and Canada. Flying YMM-YYZ-NAS, which would be one of the closest Caribbean destinations, is still about 550 miles longer than flying YMM-DEN-SJD.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-12-20 12:58:20 and read 5412 times.

Quoting mingocr83 (Reply 51):
there are 18 United daily flights to SJO from EWR and IAH.

18 DAILY? Are you sure?

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: brilondon
Posted 2012-12-20 14:03:21 and read 5273 times.

Quoting PMUA787 (Reply 59):

The area around YMM and Northern Alberta in general must be really booming. Here in the SEA area I have seen Opportunity Awaits adverts on King County Metro buses extolling the plethora of jobs and high wages up there.

YMM is a booming area with the tar sands being the largest oil reserve in North America, it just takes alot of money to get at it and alot of technology.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 65):
18 DAILY? Are you sure?

I counted 7 flights to both IAH and EWR from my information today.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-12-20 15:05:39 and read 5131 times.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 62):
It is scheduled for the 737-800

Makes sense since the IAH-SEA-ANC flights I've flown have always been 738s

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2012-12-20 21:44:57 and read 4783 times.

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Reply 48):
I'm a little confused as to why AC didn't do YEG-EWR and UA codeshare with them, especially since AC operates non-stop from both YVR and YYC. Is there really enough demand for an almost daily flight or is just mainly to help passengers connect to United's International network?

= AC has limited feed at YEG vs. UA at EWR. Moreover, why should AC start a nonstop when NYC is the top international destination on their YEG-YYZ flights?

Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 52):
Don't think for a moment that the YYC - EWR flights do not depend on connecting traffic - and a big chunck of that comes from Edmonton!!!!

= Agreed. But I think it will be harder for YEG to get any new service that is not from WS or AC.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 61):
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 50):
Great commercial move though as this opens up YMM to the South. I am surprised that AC or WS continues to ignore this one.

To "sun destinations" in the Caribbean etc. which should be popular winter destinations for YMM workers consider the climate, AC's twice-daily YMM-YYZ A319/320 nonstops are a better connecting option. Via DEN it would be a double connection to most of those points, and UA is a small player in the Caribbean..

= That is my point. I think WS or AC ignoring this was at their own peril.

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: point2point
Posted 2012-12-21 10:22:13 and read 4456 times.

Quoting steex (Reply 64):
I assume the reasoning for DEN is to provide connections to sun destinations in the southwestern USA (California, Phoenix, Vegas) and the west coast of Mexico (Cabo, Puerto Vallarta, etc.). Those are closer than the Caribbean and tend to be very popular with folks in western USA and Canada. Flying YMM-YYZ-NAS, which would be one of the closest Caribbean destinations, is still about 550 miles longer than flying YMM-DEN-SJD.

Out of curiosity, I did a count of the data from the recently released Brookings Institute U.S. Global Gateways report to see if there is any traffic between Fort McMurray (listed as Wood Buffalo, Canada) and the U.S. The following are daily numbers from YMM to U.S. cities

LAS - 17
PHX - 8
IAH - 8
MCO - 5
DEN - 2
TPA - 2
MCI - 1


So there are about 40 or so pax per day from YMM to the U.S., and from the above data, it seems that DEN is the closest point at which UA can funnel traffic into the U.S., and maybe some points further south.

And just looking at some google pix of the area, it seems that Fort McMurray is just a beautiful cities set in magnificent surroundings.

 

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: AVENSAB727
Posted 2012-12-21 10:56:30 and read 4383 times.

I bet IAH will be next. IAH-PEK and IAH-SCL are my guesses.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-12-21 12:42:42 and read 4228 times.

They do not have rights to IAH-PEK.

NS

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: FlyPNS1
Posted 2012-12-21 14:00:45 and read 4093 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 71):

They do not have rights to IAH-PEK.

China frequencies are available.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: AVENSAB727
Posted 2012-12-21 14:02:15 and read 4095 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 71):

Ok, IAH-SCL could be one.

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-12-21 21:33:28 and read 3774 times.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 72):
China frequencies are available.

Are they?

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 73):
Ok, IAH-SCL could be one.

Sure. How many folks on that?

NS

Topic: RE: UA Announces 9 New Routes
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-12-22 04:27:55 and read 3550 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 56):
Opposite, I did DL ONT-ATL once in 3hr 46mn with a strong tailwind

I had the same exact flight time once, flying eastbound HNL-SFO on a NW DC-10-40 in early Oct 2004, I was in F, and was bummed the service was cut so short, because of the very short flight time.


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