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Topic: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2012-12-20 22:45:27 and read 16882 times.

SQ will invest SGD 95 Mio in upgrading the Business Class as well as Economy Class cabin on 10 Boeing 777-200ER.
Business Class will be fitted with same type of seats as in A380, A345 and 77W, which is 1-2-1 seating with fully flat beds.
Economy class will get larger screens and new seat covers.
This means that the Space Beds will be replaced with the much larger and comfortable newest Business Class seats. We can expect the 772ER to stay until they are replaced by the A359.

https://www.singaporeair.com/jsp/cms/en_UK/press_release_news/ne121221.jsp

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-12-20 23:25:46 and read 16711 times.

I think it was about time that they did so, to be honest, especially considering tthat some of their 777-200ERs fly long haul missions. Do you know which 10 will be upgraded?

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-12-20 23:36:07 and read 16642 times.

I did raise this about a month ago, though the thread didn't really go anywhere...

SQ To Update Long Haul 77E With New J Seats (by qf002 Nov 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2012-12-21 00:46:43 and read 16268 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 2):
I did raise this about a month ago, though the thread didn't really go anywhere...

Sorry, I searched but for some reason I did not find it.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 1):
Do you know which 10 will be upgraded?

I would expect it to be the 6 from SQ series with spacebeds and no First Class, while the 3 with first class are older and probably will leave soon. The remaining four should be some of the not yet retrofitted planes from SR or SV series.
Can someone with deeper knowledge about the details enlight us?

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: infinit
Posted 2012-12-21 01:47:18 and read 16020 times.

About time! These poor birds are real laggards. SQ introduced these cabin products 5.5years ago and they're already about to start working on a new set of cabin products

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: Dasa
Posted 2012-12-21 01:59:54 and read 15967 times.

So I'm flying SQ J in late June, FCO-SIN. What are the chances of getting the new cabin by then?

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: col
Posted 2012-12-21 04:13:16 and read 15564 times.

Hopefully they run them on a direct MAN, then we won't have that stop in MUC and put up with the noisy cold 77W. Better still, 380 for MAN please.

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: warren747sp
Posted 2012-12-21 11:53:22 and read 13668 times.

The definitely need to bring it to Johannesburg first on that long flight over the bumpy Indian ocean!

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: kaitak744
Posted 2012-12-21 12:14:19 and read 13423 times.

Singapore Airlines 777 fleet overview:

Historic 777 fleet:

777-200ER SR-series (derated engines to -200)
17 planes
C30Y293

777-200ER SQ-series (derated engines to -200)
14 planes
F12C42Y234

777-200ER SV-series (used for long haul)
15 planes
C30Y255

777-300
12 planes
F18C49Y265

777-300ER
19 planes
F8C42Y228



Current 777 fleet:

777-200ER SR-series (derated engines to -200)
7 planes
C30Y293
(1 currently with EuroAtlantic)
(4 currently with Transaero)

777-200ER SQ-series (derated engines to -200)
3 planes
F12C42Y234
(4 currently with Scoot)
(1 returned to ILFC and scrapped)

777-200ER refitted (derated engines to -200)
11 planes
C38Y228
(6 from original SQ series)
(5 from original SR series)

777-200ER SV-series
11 planes
C30Y255
(4 currently leased to Royal Brunei)

777-300
7 planes
F8C50Y226
(5 currently with Transaero)

777-300ER
19 planes + 8 on order
F8C42Y228

The 10 to be reconfigured could be from the SV series planes, or from the original SQ and SR series (of which there are 10 left in the old configs)

Anyone know?

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: HB-IWC
Posted 2012-12-21 18:03:07 and read 10596 times.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 3):
I would expect it to be the 6 from SQ series with spacebeds and no First Class, while the 3 with first class are older and probably will leave soon. The remaining four should be some of the not yet retrofitted planes from SR or SV series.
Can someone with deeper knowledge about the details enlight us?
Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 8):
The 10 to be reconfigured could be from the SV series planes, or from the original SQ and SR series (of which there are 10 left in the old configs)

The 10 aircraft we are talking about will come from the SV series, of which currently 11 are left in the fleet. It seems that 9V-SVE will either be the first to receive the retrofits or it will be withdrawn altogether. The other 10 aircraft left are 9V-SVB/C/H/I/J/K/L/M/N/O. These aircraft are used on lonhaul sectors to AKL, CHC, JNB, CPT, IST, FCO, AMS and CPH and the retrofit will bring the premium offers in line with the rest of the longhaul fleet.

The remaining SR* and SQ* series are used on midhaul and regional services only and the once that will stay will ultimately operate with a product that will be quite similar to the A333 offerings. SQ seems to be hanging on to some 3-class B772s for the SIN CGK route only, where demand for F seats is significant.

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-12-21 20:03:17 and read 9857 times.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Thread starter):
Hopefully they run them on a direct MAN, then we won't have that stop in MUC and put up with the noisy cold 77W. Better still, 380 for MAN please.

Not sure how struggling to succeed on a non stop B772 means that an A388 is a better idea....

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: YULWinterSkies
Posted 2012-12-21 20:20:33 and read 9737 times.

Quoting infinit (Reply 4):
About time! These poor birds are real laggards. SQ introduced these cabin products 5.5years ago and they're already about to start working on a new set of cabin products

What are they going to do with the older seats? Sell them to a US airline?   

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-12-21 20:25:20 and read 9704 times.

Speaking of SQ B77Es, I just discovered that they added two back off lease from Royal Brunei. I didn't expect to see them back, I thought they'd been sold on. What happened? Was there a change of plan?

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: andrewtang
Posted 2012-12-21 20:42:11 and read 9574 times.

I suppose the Economy class seats will look similar to the refurbished ones on the regional 777s if it's just a replacement of LCD screen and new seat covers.

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Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: HB-IWC
Posted 2012-12-21 20:52:39 and read 9503 times.

The business class on these refurbished 9V-SV* aircraft will carry 26 instead of 30 seats. SIN AMS will be the first route to receive the new configuration early 2013. 9V-SVE will likely be the first aircraft with the new config. It is currently undergoing heavy maintenance.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 12):
I just discovered that they added two back off lease from Royal Brunei

That would be 9V-SVB and 9V-SVC, whereas 9V-SVA/D/F/G remain with Royal Brunei.

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-12-21 21:00:11 and read 9439 times.

Yes that's right, were they always expected to return?

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-12-21 23:45:52 and read 8816 times.

Quoting andrewtang (Reply 13):
I suppose the Economy class seats will look similar to the refurbished ones on the regional 777s if it's just a replacement of LCD screen and new seat covers.

Upon reading

Quoting Asiaflyer (Thread starter):
Economy class will get larger screens and new seat covers.

from the OP I had assumed that SQ were going to fit their current long haul economy product (on the A330s, 777-300ERs an A380) on the 777-200ERs as well. The article linked in the OP also says:

Quote:
In Economy Class, personal LCD monitors will be upgraded to 9 inches from 6.5 inches. Seat covers, designed by Givenchy, will also feature soothing colours as well as richer and softer fabrics, similar to those found on Singapore Airlines’ A380s and B777-300ERs.

However, you might be right in that the seats itself aren't new, but rather new seat upholstery and larger screens will be the extent of the Y class update.

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: IMatAMS
Posted 2012-12-22 03:36:02 and read 8558 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 16):
However, you might be right in that the seats itself aren't new, but rather new seat upholstery and larger screens will be the extent of the Y class update

Which is actually the best thing to do! I recently flew several long-haul sectors, some on the 77W and some on the SV* 772's and the older economy seats on the latter are actually a lot softer and more comfy on a long flight. If They just change the outdated IFE screens and hopefully add the full IFE programming than it'll be ideal!

IM

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: AngMoh
Posted 2012-12-22 06:56:17 and read 8317 times.

Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 17):
Which is actually the best thing to do! I recently flew several long-haul sectors, some on the 77W and some on the SV* 772's and the older economy seats on the latter are actually a lot softer and more comfy on a long flight. If They just change the outdated IFE screens and hopefully add the full IFE programming than it'll be ideal!

I agree with that one. I flew AMS-SIn just this week and I actually sleep better in the older Y seats than in the newer. But once you are used to the A380/A333/77W IFE, then the entertainment system in the old 77Es is just rubbish.

Topic: RE: SQ Unveils Upgrade Of 777-200ER Cabins
Username: gasman
Posted 2012-12-22 13:44:52 and read 7906 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 2):
I did raise this about a month ago, though the thread didn't really go anywhere...

So did I

SQ 772 New J Class Config (by gasman Nov 15 2012 in Aviation Polls)

diligently placed in the "travel, polls and preferences" forum, which no-one ever reads.

It is high time this upgrade occurred. I have flown the AMS-SIN leg several times on the "old" 772. Regardless of whether KL uses an equivalent or inferior product on the same route; non lie-flat long haul in J is seen as pretty below par these days. Also, the product was inconsistent with SQ's own offings. You could pay the same fare and fly to CDG, MXP, FRA etc and get the new 1-2-1 config.

Transient differences across a carrier's fleet are by no means unheard of; but this little curiosity has been going on about 5 years.


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