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Topic: Pan Am JFK-LHR 27 Daily Flights?!
Username: PHXMKEflyer
Posted 2012-12-23 09:04:41 and read 15416 times.

I was looking at www.departedflights.com and find it hard to believe that Pan Am actually had 27 flights/day between JFK-LHR as it states in June 1988, that equates to a departure around every 45 minutes! Here's the link: http://www.departedflights.com/PAJFKhub.html

Can someone please confirm if this is true or not? Thanks!

Topic: RE: Pan Am JFK-LHR 27 Daily Flights?!
Username: runway23
Posted 2012-12-23 09:09:06 and read 15396 times.

That's per week actually.

Topic: RE: Pan Am JFK-LHR 27 Daily Flights?!
Username: PHXMKEflyer
Posted 2012-12-23 09:26:19 and read 15249 times.

Ok, thanks for the clarification! That's what I thought it meant but read "Numbers indicate number of daily departures to destination. Pan Am Express flights are not included in statistics." near the top of the page....kind of confusing if you ask me   

Topic: RE: Pan Am JFK-LHR 27 Daily Flights?!
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-12-23 09:58:52 and read 15011 times.

It was three a day I think, the same as BA.

[Edited 2012-12-23 09:59:13]

Topic: RE: Pan Am JFK-LHR 27 Daily Flights?!
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2012-12-23 10:08:19 and read 14925 times.

Quoting PHXMKEflyer (Reply 2):

Ok, thanks for the clarification! That's what I thought it meant but read "Numbers indicate number of daily departures to destination. Pan Am Express flights are not included in statistics." near the top of the page....kind of confusing if you ask me

How can this be confusing if the header of the website states: "Weekly Departures from the New York Kennedy "WorldPort" 1979-1991???"

Topic: RE: Pan Am JFK-LHR 27 Daily Flights?!
Username: longhauler
Posted 2012-12-23 10:11:49 and read 14908 times.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 4):
How can this be confusing if the header of the website states: "Weekly Departures from the New York Kennedy "WorldPort" 1979-1991???"

Probably because it says "numbers indicate number of DAILY departures to destination" directly underneath. I can certainly see the confusion.

Topic: RE: Pan Am JFK-LHR 27 Daily Flights?!
Username: DLT123
Posted 2012-12-23 11:19:53 and read 14596 times.

Quoting PHXMKEflyer (Thread starter):
Pan Am JFK-LHR 27 Daily Flights?! !

Darn. I thought you were announcing a Pan Am resurrection.  

Topic: RE: Pan Am JFK-LHR 27 Daily Flights?!
Username: ZKEOJ
Posted 2012-12-23 15:35:45 and read 12233 times.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 5):
Probably because it says "numbers indicate number of DAILY departures to destination" directly underneath. I can certainly see the confusion.

Plus, the columns show a specific date, and not a range for week....

Topic: RE: Pan Am JFK-LHR 27 Daily Flights?!
Username: cedarjet
Posted 2012-12-23 17:16:02 and read 10896 times.

Yes, the standard offering from Pan Am in the eighties was three 747s a day. PA 103, the one that crashed in Scotland after a bomb went off in the cargo in 1988, was the third of the day, originating in Frankfurt mid-afternoon as a 727 and 18h00 out of Heathrow as a 747 with onward service from JFK to DTW as a 727 again.

Topic: RE: Pan Am JFK-LHR 27 Daily Flights?!
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-12-23 17:55:18 and read 10440 times.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 8):
PA 103, the one that crashed in Scotland after a bomb went off in the cargo in 1988, was the third of the day,

Didn't this become "Clipper Eleven" rather quickly after Lockerbie?

Topic: RE: Pan Am JFK-LHR 27 Daily Flights?!
Username: madviking
Posted 2012-12-23 20:13:01 and read 9047 times.

I do recall reading that back in the very early 70s just prior to the introduction of the 747, Pan Am was operating a 707 almost every hour from the World-port to LHR in the afternoon evening period. Anyone have knowledge during this era?

Topic: RE: Pan Am JFK-LHR 27 Daily Flights?!
Username: 747buff
Posted 2012-12-23 20:57:28 and read 8627 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 9):

Didn't this become "Clipper Eleven" rather quickly after Lockerbie?

In my early '89 timetables it was Clipper Three, but became Clipper Eleven soon after. BTW, Clipper Eleven was PA's final flight out of LHR. Also, how long did PA take to drop Clipper 103? From what I have read it takes some airlines a week or so to changed crashed flight numbers (NW 255, UA 232, AA 191, etc.).

[Edited 2012-12-23 21:00:21]

Topic: RE: Pan Am JFK-LHR 27 Daily Flights?!
Username: madviking
Posted 2012-12-23 21:22:24 and read 8385 times.

Quoting 747buff (Reply 11):
it takes some airlines a week or so to changed crashed flight numbers (NW 255, UA 232, AA 191, etc.).

SAS changed SK911/912 to SK909/910 about a month after the 911 attacks.
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Though it wasn't related to the carrier, many airlines dropped flight # 911 from their sequesce.

Topic: RE: Pan Am JFK-LHR 27 Daily Flights?!
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-24 09:07:06 and read 3460 times.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 5):
Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 4):
How can this be confusing if the header of the website states: "Weekly Departures from the New York Kennedy "WorldPort" 1979-1991???"

Probably because it says "numbers indicate number of DAILY departures to destination" directly underneath. I can certainly see the confusion.

Suggest send an e-mail to the operator of that website. He is normally very good at replying. I'm sure he will correct the wording to avoid the confusion mention if someone makes him aware of it.


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