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| Topic: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: JAGflyer Posted 2012-12-23 10:37:26 and read 21351 times. ![]() Photo © Sam Chui The plane seems to be missing the entire vertical stab/rudder assembly, flap assembly, and both engines. Would making this plane serviceable actually be worth it? It seems that the cost would simply be too great considering the amount of missing parts and the age of this A/C (build in 1985). | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: Citationjet Posted 2012-12-23 11:02:30 and read 21167 times. CAN this plane become airworthy and WILL the plane become airworthy are two different questions. Given that truely historic aircraft in worse shape (like a B-17 or B-29) have been totally restored with less than that to start with, the answer is it CAN be done. However, economically it doesn't make sense, given the numbers of existing 737-300s available that wouldn't require the amount of work, it means that it most likely will not happen. | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: AA737-823 Posted 2012-12-23 12:34:53 and read 20580 times. Actually, it wouldn't be that hard; CFM56-3's are a dime a dozen (haha), flaps are changed every so often anyhow (on condition), and the vertical can be replaced. | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: B757forever Posted 2012-12-23 12:41:30 and read 20531 times.
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| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: Aesma Posted 2012-12-23 12:42:27 and read 20515 times. Looks to me like the aircraft has been used as parts donor, I don't think you would do that if the end goal was to make it fly again. Take one or two things because you need them ASAP, sure, but it looks stripped of a lot of things ! | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: KC135Hydraulics Posted 2012-12-23 12:44:25 and read 20482 times. As it lies, I think there could be more money had in turning that giant coke can into a bunch of smaller ones than making it serviceable again to *eventually* generate revenue. | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: francoflier Posted 2012-12-23 14:43:07 and read 19897 times. Problem with aircrafts just sitting around is that operators tend to consider them as convenient spare parts stores. | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: dergay Posted 2012-12-23 15:01:28 and read 19384 times. Looks like a call for the bean-counters. | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: SEPilot Posted 2012-12-23 15:36:51 and read 18562 times. When evaluating a derelict aircraft you have to consider not only what it will take in parts and labor to replace what is missing, but also the state of the paperwork. If it is not in order then virtually every part needs to be inspected and/or overhauled, which immediately makes the project impossible. | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: FI642 Posted 2012-12-23 20:07:36 and read 14024 times. She's been pretty badly cannibalized, I doubt she will ever see the skies again. -300's are near the end of their useful life, so I'd be willing to say it won't happen. | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: TrnsWrld Posted 2012-12-23 20:23:05 and read 13774 times. According to the pictures photographer the aircraft is just being worked on and the vertical stabilizer being replaced. Bolt the tail, engines, and wing flaps/slats back on and looks pretty complete to me | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: freeze3192 Posted 2012-12-23 23:03:18 and read 11879 times. Of course it can be done. | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: jetfixr757 Posted 2012-12-23 23:51:15 and read 11163 times.
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| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: overloaduk Posted 2012-12-24 01:14:54 and read 10079 times. I knew there would be a thread about this when I first saw the picture yesterday. | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: CO764 Posted 2012-12-24 01:30:42 and read 9863 times. According to Planespotters, she is 'active'. Been in service with PIA her whole life : | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: Dufo Posted 2012-12-24 05:43:11 and read 6573 times. Plane undergoing a heavy check can look quite interesting. | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: SavannahMark Posted 2012-12-24 05:47:04 and read 6512 times. Judging by the work they've done on her exterior (sanding down to bare metal in preparation of new paint), I'm of the opinion there are plans to put her in the air again. Maybe plain white finish in preparation for sale - who knows. | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: strfyr51 Posted 2012-12-24 06:25:03 and read 5864 times. that plane has been robbed down to "Parade REST"! Yes it can be restored! with MUCHO Dinero, and about 2 months after all parts are in hand because it's down to Overhaul criteria as it looks right now. I'd estimate $3.5-5.2M depending on Corrosion. I have seen far worse repaired and was a rep for a B720 that went through restoration. The airplane was modified to carry JT8D-219's and it flew like a raped APE as a concept for replacing the KC135's engines with PW's rather than the CFM-56. The project came in on time and under Budget as well !! | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: falstaff Posted 2012-12-24 07:03:12 and read 5278 times.
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| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: beakerltn Posted 2012-12-24 07:31:21 and read 4842 times. It's the undercarriage that gives it away to me.. far too good for it not to be put back into service. If an airframe was not going anywhere the tyres get deflated at it generally looks like it stuck where it's sitting. That one looks ready to go. | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: Viscount724 Posted 2012-12-24 07:37:25 and read 4740 times. Why would anyone want to spend the huge amount of money to return that hulk to service? Would be much cheaper to acquire an intact retired 733, for example those now being retired by LH, which would need much less work. | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: migair54 Posted 2012-12-24 08:23:16 and read 4039 times. Stored in Karachi (Coastal City) without a proper protection will create a big amount of corrosion, that is one of the causes can make a plane end its life, So it will be difficult to send it to service again. | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: Yakflyer Posted 2012-12-24 08:38:32 and read 3780 times. I am in agreement with SavannahMark. The picture was taken this month and it appears to me the plane is in the middle of a heavy maintenance visit. Nobody strips the paint off an airframe to scrap it. Based on the comment attached to the picture and what we can see, it looks to me like it will be painted and reassembled. I think the reason it looks so bad to some of the commenters is that the paint is off making it appear like a derelict. | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: speedbird11 Posted 2012-12-24 09:22:37 and read 3186 times. ATDB shows aircraft being parted out. She has 67625 hours 59472 cycles on her. Had the plane still had some paint on her I would have said she's a definate part out. However, the complete back to bare metal strip down suggests other use. Financially it makes no sense as there is more money in the parts value. If PIA really needed the capacity then much cheaper 300's are available. Odd........ | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: SavannahMark Posted 2012-12-24 10:09:12 and read 2557 times. Wish I had spent more time looking at the larger photo. Peaking throw the starboard emergency evacuation door, the interior looks completely stripped. Yes, I believe it to be a part out but find it odd they would have sanded it down to bare metal. Has the Pakistani government finally enacted some real environment laws that requires the removal of potentially hazard paints and/or solvents prior to the scrapping of aircraft/ships? Would certainly be a step in the right direction. | |||
| Topic: RE: Can This Plane Ever Be Serviceable? Username: Roseflyer Posted 2012-12-24 10:43:04 and read 2130 times. While fundamentally it can become airworthy, I somewhat doubt an airplane in that condition could ever get anything other than a temporary airworthiness certificate, and not a certificate acceptable for commercial operations. It depends on the regulatory authority and Pakistan is more flexible than the FAA or EASA. | |||
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