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Topic: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-12-20 09:42:58 and read 15588 times.

Singapore Airlines previously stated they intend to discontinue their nonstop A340-500 service to LAX and EWR in 2013.
( SQ To End LAX/EWR-SIN Nonstop Flights (by sfoa380 Oct 24 2012 in Civil Aviation) )

Now per GDS, SQ has loaded updated schedules which includes termination dates for the nonstop routes.

SIN-LAX comes to an end on October 21, 2013, while SIN-EWR ends November 24, 2013.
Additionally SQ seems to be reducing frequency to EWR to 4x weekly (Mon/Tue/Thu/Sat) as well.

As of now there is no additional replacement service loaded for either LAX or NYC, which would mean SQ reducing its frequency to each metro area to a single daily flight.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2012-12-20 10:22:34 and read 15372 times.

Interesting. I really want to take this flight (ewr-sin) before it ends. what are the avg. fares (i know they won't be pretty)

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: jfklganyc
Posted 2012-12-20 10:51:02 and read 15230 times.

Why so far out?

If the route is unprofitable, why fly it for the next 11 months?

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: traindoc
Posted 2012-12-20 11:03:55 and read 15183 times.

They are trading in the A345's for their A380's. That is the stated reason for dropping these routes. If it was just economics the routes would be gone sooner.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: TWA902fly
Posted 2012-12-20 11:04:20 and read 15172 times.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 2):
Why so far out?

If the route is unprofitable, why fly it for the next 11 months?

Just a guess, but maybe those dates coincide with when the A345s are leaving the fleet?

'902

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-20 11:11:12 and read 15125 times.

Wonder why SQ announced the end of those routes so far in advance? Would seem to make more sense to wait until a couple of months before service ends. And announcing the end of a route with no fixed date just discourages further bookings as potential customers have no idea whether the flights are going to operate. Best not to say anything until close to the end date. On business-oriented routes like those I doubt the average advance booking period is more than a month anyway.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2012-12-20 11:18:45 and read 15068 times.

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 4):
Just a guess, but maybe those dates coincide with when the A345s are leaving the fleet?

Yup, that's exactly the reason why. SQ has worked out a deal with Airbus in that they will receive 5 A380s and 20 A350s through 2017, and in return, Airbus will "re-acquire" the 5 A345s that are leaving the fleet.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):

Wonder why SQ announced the end of those routes so far in advance? Would seem to make more sense to wait until a couple of months before service ends. And announcing the end of a route with no fixed date just discourages further bookings as potential customers have no idea whether the flights are going to operate. Best not to say anything until close to the end date. On business-oriented routes like those I doubt the average advance booking period is more than a month anyway.

I think you just answered your own question. If the booking cycle is relatively short-term, then it places less importance on announcing the actual end dates because the traveler can pivot their itinerary planning to choose an alternate route.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: jfk777
Posted 2012-12-20 11:37:10 and read 14945 times.

Let the enthusiats who want to fly it do it. If Fuel stays cheap they could make a profit on these flights in the next year.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: Polot
Posted 2012-12-20 11:55:09 and read 14840 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
Let the enthusiats who want to fly it do it. If Fuel stays cheap they could make a profit on these flights in the next year.

Nothing is stopping you from booking a flight in the next 11 months. SQ is not a charity.

[Edited 2012-12-20 11:55:30]

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: B747forever
Posted 2012-12-20 11:57:44 and read 14824 times.

I sense a high end A.net meet on 11/24 next year  

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: laca773
Posted 2012-12-20 12:03:41 and read 14777 times.

I think the marked advance notice for the discontinuing of these routes also has to do with those who are very loyal to SQ's premium service on these two VLH routes. Perhaps it's a way for them to keep these J cabin customers in the end instead of them changing to CX, KE, BR and etc...

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: chrisair
Posted 2012-12-20 12:04:39 and read 14770 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
If Fuel stays cheap they could make a profit on these flights in the next year.

I think your definition of "cheap" is a little different than SQ's definition of cheap.  

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: CalebWilliams
Posted 2012-12-20 12:12:15 and read 14732 times.

SQ21 & SQ22
Total:
USD 8,025.86

(Includes taxes and surcharges)

per http://www.singaporeair.com/

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: ba319-131
Posted 2012-12-20 12:24:19 and read 14655 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 1):
I really want to take this flight (ewr-sin) before it ends.

- Indeed I would like to.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 1):
what are the avg. fares (i know they won't be pretty)

- Nope, they won't be  

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: Polot
Posted 2012-12-20 12:43:13 and read 14572 times.

Quoting CalebWilliams (Reply 12):
SQ21 & SQ22
Total:
USD 8,025.86

(Includes taxes and surcharges)

And that highlights why SQ is ending these flights. I just search a flight between EWR-SIN and got a price of $10,275.86. On the exact same dates Emirates' JFK-DXB flight is $11037.70 (in business class obviously so the comparison is fair). On a flight that is 2300 nm shorter. Hell BA's EWR-LHR flight in business class is about half SQ's, $5,001.45 while being 5000 nm shorter.

It is a wonder that SQ's EWR flights have stuck around for this long.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: usairways85
Posted 2012-12-20 13:00:41 and read 14472 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 14):
And that highlights why SQ is ending these flights. I just search a flight between EWR-SIN and got a price of $10,275.86. On the exact same dates Emirates' JFK-DXB flight is $11037.70 (in business class obviously so the comparison is fair). On a flight that is 2300 nm shorter. Hell BA's EWR-LHR flight in business class is about half SQ's, $5,001.45 while being 5000 nm shorter.

It is a wonder that SQ's EWR flights have stuck around for this long.

I am not sure why you are comparing SQs EWR-SIN flt to other random flts. Also the SQ flts are Premium only. On another thread I believe someone posted that both of these flts were routinely getting 65-75 paxs (65-75% LF). And SQ likely did not offer deep discounts just to fill the aircraft, maybe some Corp contracts. So that is 65-75 people paying at least $8k. That is around $500k per flight.

When I did a random search I saw EWR-SIN priced around $8-9k
For the same dates UA EWR-SIN (with a connection obviously) in BusinessFirst the fare was only marginally less, at the time it was less than $1k cheaper. If you have the means to do either you'd be a fool to take UA.


The poor economics of flying these routes with the A345 is likely why they are ending.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2012-12-20 13:14:03 and read 14397 times.

Too bad we can't non-rev on these flights.   

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: Roseflyer
Posted 2012-12-20 13:23:48 and read 14356 times.

I had the opportunity to fly this route once in Raffles Class on the spacebed seat in 2005. The EWR-SIN flight is great. 11pm departure is good since you can eat, stay up late, then get 10 hours of sleep, wake up, enjoy a leisurely breakfast and are ready to go in SIN. It was fairly good to beat the jetlag. The SIN-EWR flight was horrible. You are awake for the first half of the flight, but inevitably fall asleep after 9 hours on a plane and realizing you are only halfway to your destination. You wake up, have breakfast, just in time for it to get dark and night to fall in New York, which means a sleepless night. The jetlag is horrible.

The EWR-SIN route doesn’t provide any useful connecting opportunities since there are few high yielding places to connect to from SIN after flying all the way from EWR. Indonesia & Malaysia don’t have high yielding traffic and the timing is bad for India connections. It’s all O/D and the market isn’t big enough.

SQ advertises that they serve 6 destinations nonstop from the US. ICN, NRT, FRA, DME, HKG, & SIN. Soon SIN will be ending.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: Polot
Posted 2012-12-20 14:19:17 and read 14171 times.

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 15):
I am not sure why you are comparing SQs EWR-SIN flt to other random flts. Also the SQ flts are Premium only. On another thread I believe someone posted that both of these flts were routinely getting 65-75 paxs (65-75% LF). And SQ likely did not offer deep discounts just to fill the aircraft, maybe some Corp contracts. So that is 65-75 people paying at least $8k. That is around $500k per flight.

I was pointing out how these flights are not making hand over fist in money. Yes they are all business class. But despite their incredibly long length they are not able to extract a huge premium for their seats on the flight.The Emirates flight that I pointed out is shorter and currently has a higher J fare than SQ's flight. And it is not like business space is limited- they have 75 J seats + 14 F class + hundreds of Y seats (which, while not has high yielding as premium cabins, still make airlines money) + likely more cargo.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: nrt1011
Posted 2012-12-20 15:03:04 and read 13800 times.

I wonder who Airbus will try and offload the A340-500's too, there does not seem to be much of a demand for them. I seem to remember Thai trying to offload their 500's a while ago, but unseccessfully

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: fun2fly
Posted 2012-12-20 15:07:23 and read 13759 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 14):
And that highlights why SQ is ending these flights. I just search a flight between EWR-SIN and got a price of $10,275.86. On the exact same dates Emirates' JFK-DXB flight is $11037.70 (in business class obviously so the comparison is fair). On a flight that is 2300 nm shorter. Hell BA's EWR-LHR flight in business class is about half SQ's, $5,001.45 while being 5000 nm shorter.

It is a wonder that SQ's EWR flights have stuck around for this long

Look at EWR to PER. It's $12k or so. Or go on QF over LAX for $16k. It's a real steal on SQ at 25% off. Not sure about other onward destinations.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: macsog6
Posted 2012-12-20 15:29:49 and read 13476 times.

As one who has taken LAX-SIN both ways about five times in the past year on the A345's, I really hate to see these flights go away. I have also taken the one-stop flights, stopping in NRT and HKG, and they both seem much longer.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: ordwaw
Posted 2012-12-20 17:22:12 and read 12475 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 18):

I still do not get why you compare SQ EWR-SIN with EK JFK-DXB in J. As others have indicated already, you are comparing apples to oranges, airliners are not city cabs and do not charge by the mile.

The SQ flight is mostly O&D while EK is focused on connecting flights.

Following your logic, please explain, why looking at a random set of dates in February and r/t flights EY JFK-DXB is USD 11k, whilst if you tag on a seven hour flight to make it EY JFK-DXB-SIN the price drops to less than USD 8k, which is also a few hundred less than the nonstop SQ EWR-SIN on these same dates.

Sorry, I meant EK when writing EY above ... All about Emirates ...

[Edited 2012-12-20 17:43:45]

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: blueflyer
Posted 2012-12-20 17:51:46 and read 12233 times.

Glad there's almost a year left. I actually enjoy these flights. I can probably catch three or four until they're gone for good.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Wonder why SQ announced the end of those routes so far in advance?

They didn't have much of a choice. Once they announced the deal with Airbus regarding the "re-purchase" of the A435s, questions would inevitably have been asked as to the future of these two flights. What was Singapore Airlines supposed to tell its customers? Sit tight and wait? Best to announce the flights will be cancelled, even if the exact date is to be announced later. At least customers know it isn't going to happen overnight.

Quoting Polot (Reply 14):
And that highlights why SQ is ending these flights.

If I had to guess as to why they're ending these flights, I would suggest that the flights are profitable, but marginally so, and that the aircraft are coming due for heavy maintenance too expensive for the tiny profits. If the flights were not profitable, they would have ended a long time ago, Singapore Airlines doesn't keep routes out of charity or prestige.

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 15):
And SQ likely did not offer deep discounts just to fill the aircraft, maybe some Corp contracts.

No, they don't. I guess they know their target audience and the price remains pretty stable whether you book two days or two months in advance, unlike other carriers. Corporate discounts are also smaller than on other Singapore Airlines flights (at least ours is).

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 17):
The SIN-EWR flight was horrible. You are awake for the first half of the flight, but inevitably fall asleep after 9 hours on a plane and realizing you are only halfway to your destination.

The key is to have a short night before leaving. Find someone to have a very long dinner with, go out for a night on the town or catch a movie or two... Sleep a few hours, then off to the airport. Take a long nap after take-off to catch up on your sleep, stay awake for the rest of the flight and you'll walk off the plane in EWR ready to go to bed.

Or do like a colleague of mine who really can't get used to it, and find an excuse to continue your trip West-bound. Whenever he goes to Singapore, he has a very good reason to go to London or Paris next...

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: Ben175
Posted 2012-12-20 17:58:09 and read 12163 times.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 17):
The EWR-SIN route doesn’t provide any useful connecting opportunities since there are few high yielding places to connect to from SIN after flying all the way from EWR. Indonesia & Malaysia don’t have high yielding traffic and the timing is bad for India connections. It’s all O/D and the market isn’t big enough.

I have connected to the SQ223 service to PER (departing about 4 hours after arrival). I was also informed this route gets alot of Chinese connecting pax who prefer to backtrack to Singapore for the exceptional service.

So devastating to see these services go. Flown the ULH flights 4 times, all 4 are in my Top 5 flights of all time.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: RayChuang
Posted 2012-12-20 18:35:15 and read 12357 times.

I wonder will improve the amenities on the A380 F and J class on the LAX-NRT-SIN and JFK-FRA-SIN routes to compensate for the loss of these ULH flights.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: laca773
Posted 2012-12-20 18:48:39 and read 12187 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 14):

And that highlights why SQ is ending these flights. I just search a flight between EWR-SIN and got a price of $10,275.86. On the exact same dates Emirates' JFK-DXB flight is $11037.70 (in business class obviously so the comparison is fair). On a flight that is 2300 nm shorter. Hell BA's EWR-LHR flight in business class is about half SQ's, $5,001.45 while being 5000 nm shorter.

It is

This has a lot to do with the market demand, duration of the flight,and as several other's have pointed out, it's capacity of 100J, is a very specific, target population for the ULH market. I feel if SQ had the 77Ls to operate these unique markets with, these flights might be around longer, since they are much more fuel efficient over the A345s.
I've had friends who have taken SQ LAX ULH flight several times, once in Premiuim Y and the times in J. They have commented that SQ does have some of the best service in the industry, but it's hard to enjoy a 17+ hour flight in either J or Premium Y. They were also disappointed there were not more amentities (amenity kits, etc.) on board for a J class product which they thought SQ would have on offer, especially with it being a very specialized service.

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 25):
I wonder will improve the amenities on the A380 F and J class on the LAX-NRT-SIN and JFK-FRA-SIN routes to compensate for the loss of these ULH flights.

Doesn't SQ already offer a very upgraded First cabin on the A380? In J, what else could they offer to enhance or improve the service they already offer? PJs, amenity kits? Aside from their Star Partner, NH, doesn't SQ offer the best servicein the LAX-NRT-SIN market (of course it's matter of taste and opinion?).?

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: jfk777
Posted 2012-12-20 19:47:30 and read 12054 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 8):
Nothing is stopping you from booking a flight in the next 11 months. SQ is not a charity.

Who said SIA was a charity ? Not me, SIA is a profit making entity. Cheap from EWR to SIn would be $ 5999.00 USD.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 11):
I think your definition of "cheap" is a little different than SQ's definition of cheap.

There is nothing "cheap" about SIA, but fuel is less expensive today with the bad economy in Europe and the USA. China and India's slowing growth has lessened demand for gas.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-12-20 21:16:22 and read 11422 times.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):

I sense a high end A.net meet on 11/24 next year

I wish it was in my budget...

Quoting ordwaw (Reply 22):
I still do not get why you compare SQ EWR-SIN with EK JFK-DXB in J. As others have indicated already, you are comparing apples to oranges, airliners are not city cabs and do not charge by the mile.

But CASM goes up with length. So what was pointed out is the EWR-SIN RASM is too poor to support such a route. The other routes have strong enough RASM to support growth.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 23):
If I had to guess as to why they're ending these flights, I would suggest that the flights are profitable, but marginally so, and that the aircraft are coming due for heavy maintenance too expensive for the tiny profits.

I concur. By announcing so far in advance, it will allow a dignified end. IMHO classy. Something only done if the economics are as you suggest.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 26):
I feel if SQ had the 77Ls to operate these unique markets with, these flights might be around longer, since they are much more fuel efficient over the A345s.

The 77Ls also have 'heavy C's.' So as long as the flights were profitable, there wouldn't be a sharp 'delta' on the expense chart forcing the retirement decision.

It will take a return to economic growth to restart this type of flight (789 with an extensive MTOW boost?).

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: ordwaw
Posted 2012-12-20 21:49:45 and read 11194 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 28):
Quoting ordwaw (Reply 22):
I still do not get why you compare SQ EWR-SIN with EK JFK-DXB in J. As others have indicated already, you are comparing apples to oranges, airliners are not city cabs and do not charge by the mile.

But CASM goes up with length. So what was pointed out is the EWR-SIN RASM is too poor to support such a route. The other routes have strong enough RASM to support growth.

I agree the CASM goes up with length, however, what I do not follow is how EK JFK-DXB example 'points out' that EWR-SIN RASM is too poor to support such a route.

Especially in the light of ...
- J ticket for EK JFK-DXB-SIN is over 30% less than EK JFK-DXB alone, while I would say that the CASM is significantly higher
- EK JFK-DXB-SIN costs less than the discussed SQ EWR-SIN?

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: coolfish1103
Posted 2012-12-20 21:56:37 and read 11166 times.

Now it's time to wonder if SQ will add a second flight to SIN-NRT-LAX v.v. or will they start another flight somewhere else? Not too sure if a 388 is good enough when it once had 2x 744s running.

I think EWR is gone for good since they up-gauged SIN-FRA-JFK v.v. to 388.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-12-20 22:34:11 and read 10915 times.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 23):
I would suggest that the flights are profitable, but marginally so

Probably, otherwise they wouldn't have lasted so long.

The key issue here though is potential profitability. A passenger who will currently fly on the nonstop service might make the airline $1 in profit, but $3 in profit flying via FRA (or on another SQ service to the US). In essence, this means that they can afford to lose some passengers and still make more money than they were before.

I daresay they've been looking to can these flights for a number of years, but the opportunity to dump the A345s has only arisen now.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: infinit
Posted 2012-12-21 02:04:39 and read 9734 times.

I guess the ultimate reason for the cancellation is the end of the A340 programme. If it were profittability, SQ would have canned them since SQ is highly profit-orientated in their operations. If a route doesn't work they'd scrap it which is also why I don't see much growth potential for the airline. They're highly risk-averse.

A pity though. SIN-EWR in that fantastic J product is definitely a dream flight. I would not want to get out of that seat and with the IFE and chatting with the crew as I always do, I'd never get bored!

Quoting laca773 (Reply 26):
They were also disappointed there were not more amentities (amenity kits, etc.) on board for a J class product which they thought SQ would have on offer, especially with it being a very specialized service.

I guess they should have made a special amenity kit for this flight, something tangible to make it more memorable even if it'll add into the costs. it could pay off from a PR point of view.. to remind customers that this is the longest commercial flight in the world

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: B747forever
Posted 2012-12-21 02:29:59 and read 9536 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 28):

I wish it was in my budget...

Same here. l have always wanted to fly this route, but unfortunately there is no way that I can afford the price.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: goldenargosy
Posted 2012-12-21 03:28:30 and read 9223 times.

Shame. At least I got a chance to fly the EWR service 3 times back when they had Y cabin. A great experience to be in the air for so long.

Once this route is gone, what will take over as the longest flight in the world?

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: ordwaw
Posted 2012-12-21 03:48:34 and read 9128 times.

Quoting goldenargosy (Reply 34):
Once this route is gone, what will take over as the longest flight in the world?

IMO ...

by distance

QF 7 , SYD-DFW , 8,578 miles on a 744ER

by time

DL 201 , JNB-ATL , 16 hrs 55 minutes on a 77L

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: maxamuus
Posted 2012-12-21 06:04:20 and read 8331 times.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 16):
Too bad we can't non-rev on these flights.

You can't non-rev on these flights?

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: fun2fly
Posted 2012-12-21 06:53:10 and read 8036 times.

Would a 787 be able to do the route?

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2012-12-21 08:35:09 and read 7404 times.

Quoting CalebWilliams (Reply 12):
SQ21 & SQ22
Total:
USD 8,025.86

(Includes taxes and surcharges)

Oh sweet Lord. Yeah, unless a Christmas miracle happens within the next 12 months, this ain't happenin for IrishAyes  

Maybe I could splurge for a One-Way and find a way to non-rev back home on another airline thru my UA connections?

Quoting maxamuus (Reply 36):
You can't non-rev on these flights?

It would be insane if so. What are the weight and balance restrictions? I'm sure they'd run into problems and have to bump people. Perhaps someone with better insight on this can lend a better answer.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-12-21 09:14:40 and read 7178 times.

I recall reading last year, someone at SQ said that when these flights were conceived, a barrel of fuel was just $35. Now its essentially 3x that.

Personally I think these flights have been loss making for an extensive period (view the schedule adjustments, announcing they were bringing back Y class, etc), and have only managed to hang on mostly on prestige.

Quoting coolfish1103 (Reply 30):
Now it's time to wonder if SQ will add a second flight to SIN-NRT-LAX v.v. or will they start another flight somewhere else? Not too sure if a 388 is good enough when it once had 2x 744s running.

Yes will be interesting to see what SQ does. They go from one time 3x daily flightsn at LAX to now a single one.

While I don't see a 2nd A380 flight, I can certainly see them resume their historic SIN-TPE-LAX route again using the 777s.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: readytotaxi
Posted 2012-12-21 09:29:40 and read 7066 times.

When it goes, who will pick up the title of "World's longest commercial non-stop flight"

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: B747forever
Posted 2012-12-21 09:39:50 and read 6971 times.

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 40):
When it goes, who will pick up the title of "World's longest commercial non-stop flight"

Already answered in the thread.

Quoting ordwaw (Reply 35):
IMO ...

by distance

QF 7 , SYD-DFW , 8,578 miles on a 744ER

by time

DL 201 , JNB-ATL , 16 hrs 55 minutes on a 77L

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: readytotaxi
Posted 2012-12-21 09:55:55 and read 6856 times.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 41):

Missed it, damn that glass of Chablis.  

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: B747forever
Posted 2012-12-21 10:04:04 and read 6810 times.

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 42):

Missed it, damn that glass of Chablis.

It is Friday evening  

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-12-21 23:53:30 and read 6450 times.

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 37):
Would a 787 be able to do the route?

Considering that none of the 787 family have as much range as the A340-500, I wouldn't think so.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2012-12-22 00:51:45 and read 6369 times.

Quoting maxamuus (Reply 36):
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 16):
Too bad we can't non-rev on these flights.

You can't non-rev on these flights?

Delta has no leisure travel agreement with SG.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-22 13:33:08 and read 6020 times.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 41):
Already answered in the thread.

Quoting ordwaw (Reply 35):
IMO ...

by distance

QF 7, SYD-DFW, 8,578 miles on a 744ER

But only in one direction. Westbound it's DFW-BNE-SYD.

DL's ATL-JNB-ATL is currently the next longest by distance, after the SQ routes, that's nonstop in both directions.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-12-22 18:00:20 and read 5826 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 46):
But only in one direction. Westbound it's DFW-BNE-SYD.

It'll be nonstop in both directions as soon as QF has the aircraft to do it. That's still a few years off though, unfortunately.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: B747forever
Posted 2012-12-23 02:27:36 and read 5606 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 46):

DL's ATL-JNB-ATL is currently the next longest by distance, after the SQ routes, that's nonstop in both directions.

Doesnt really matter, whether the flight is flown as a round trip or only one way. The longest flight still is SYD-DFW.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-12-23 15:12:03 and read 5273 times.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 26):
I feel if SQ had the 77Ls to operate these unique markets with, these flights might be around longer, since they are much more fuel efficient over the A345s.

They're a couple percent more efficient. Not enough to help such a long flight.

NS

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-12-23 16:00:18 and read 5183 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 49):
Not enough to help such a long flight.

And not enough to offset the enormous cost of acquiring the aircraft and getting rid of the A345s.

Topic: RE: SQ Publishes A345 SIN-LAX/EWR Nonstop End Dates
Username: n515cr
Posted 2012-12-26 13:08:32 and read 4509 times.

Very glad I was able to snag SIN-LAX in march before they end the route!


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