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Topic: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: Ty134A
Posted 2012-12-13 07:16:29 and read 9826 times.

After scanning some Russian pages, it seems that the An-148 frame 03-03 goes to JS, and it has even flying status already. Registration seems to be P-671. It seems to be a Kiev built frame, a classic, not a 100 or 100V. But nothing confirmed....

Considering Air Koryos fleet, this is bad news...

Glad that I've been to the DPRK in May  ....

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: spiplane
Posted 2012-12-13 08:16:01 and read 9635 times.

Okay, I will bite .... why is this bad news?

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: Triple7X
Posted 2012-12-13 08:22:57 and read 9605 times.

Quoting Ty134A (Thread starter):

P-671 seems to be (C/N 03-08) instead of (C/N 03-03) according to sources although I might be wrong   can anyone conform if P-671 is C/N 03-03 or C/N 03-08

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-13 08:57:50 and read 9474 times.

Quoting Ty134A (Thread starter):
Considering Air Koryos fleet, this is bad news...

Why exactly? I dont understand why you consider this bad news...

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2012-12-13 09:03:39 and read 9445 times.

He is implying that they will get rid of some vintage Russian airliners because of this...

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: sasd209
Posted 2012-12-13 09:30:57 and read 9321 times.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 4):
He is implying that they will get rid of some vintage Russian airliners because of this.

This is also how I took the comment: now there will be less chance for the Pyongyang Spotters Club to catch shots of older Soviet jets.  

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2012-12-13 10:23:32 and read 9196 times.

They need the entire current fleet and more - it's pretty much fully utilised some days of the week and tourism is only going to increase in DPRK.

There was a team/representative from Air Koryo on a visit 'somewhere' in September, so they have been planning additions for a while.


Dan  

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: Ty134A
Posted 2012-12-13 13:30:12 and read 8921 times.

@ plymspotter: I never had the feeling that they need the whole fleet they have operational. It certainly is true that they have seasonal shortages, but these amount to some 15 days per year or so. And again, there schedule is not optimized at all, they operate flights to Beijing, Shenjang and Vladivostok all on the same day, while on other days there is no flighy departing Pyongyang, if I'm not mistaken. As far as their current route network is going, even the two T20 and a single AN4 is more than enaugh.

All the JS frames currently in the fleet count very little hours and are in perfect condition, the T3Bs being on of the latest produced, and even their 1976 T5B has still some time left.

And even if the A48 is a nice ride (been on it 3 times), for a freak like me it would be the least attractive plane in JS fleet....

And the frame seems to be 03-08, which might have been flying this week...

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: lollomz
Posted 2012-12-13 13:53:20 and read 8860 times.

I think the plane will be leased by IFC. Any idea about it?

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: SIBILLE
Posted 2012-12-14 05:05:29 and read 7742 times.

Juche Travel Services confirms on it's facebook page......
Here is what they wrote

Further to recent rumours, we can confirm that Air Koryo are taking delivery of a new Antonov An-148 with registration P-671. Delivery is expected early in 2013.

This aircraft will supplement the current Air Koryo fleet and all other aircraft will remain in service. The An-148 is expected to be used mainly for charter tours from various Chinese cities to the DPRK.

We are delighted to be adding this modern but still quite rare aircraft to all our 2013 aviation tours as an additional pleasure flight, prices to be confirmed in due course.

Exterior / interior photos to follow once I am back from a brief January admin visit to Pyongyang!

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: 777way
Posted 2012-12-15 07:11:02 and read 6346 times.

Dosent the CIS still have Russian aircraft, whats the fascination with JS fleet?

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: CrimsonNL
Posted 2012-12-23 03:42:51 and read 5641 times.

There's some pictures online! I have to say I do not like the livery on this aircraft, where I think it does look good on JS' older aircraft.


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Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: Superfly
Posted 2012-12-23 04:37:32 and read 5557 times.

Will this replace their AN-24 and IL-18?
Their order of the IL-96 is to replace their IL-62s right?

Air Koryo has one of the best liveries in the world.  

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: MEA-707
Posted 2012-12-23 04:43:19 and read 5540 times.

Quoting 777way (Reply 10):
Dosent the CIS still have Russian aircraft, whats the fascination with JS fleet?

Hardly ! Some types like the Il-18 and Il-62M are only still flying with the North Koreans on passenger flights. Also the Tu-154 non M versions are totally gone from Russia except for the Air Force.
Their other types, Tu-134 and An-24 are also becoming difficult to get on in Russia. Of course the Il-76 freighter on which the aviation tours offer pleasure flights is also off limits in Russia. So that's the reasons of the fascination by many here of the JS fleet.

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: Superfly
Posted 2012-12-23 04:49:36 and read 5516 times.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 13):
Of course the Il-76 freighter on which the aviation tours offer pleasure flights is also off limits in Russia.

WOW! That is a shocker!
I never thought of Russia as being strict about older aircraft flying in their country - especially if it was made in their country.
I thought it was only the US and EU that was strict about those sort of things.

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: MEA-707
Posted 2012-12-23 06:08:02 and read 5386 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
I never thought of Russia as being strict about older aircraft flying in their country

I guess theoretically if you approach the Russians with a big pile of Rubles you should be able to fly on any aircraft, but as a collector of flights on weird airplanes I have seen any attempt to hire and fly on aircraft from Il-14 to An-124 fail so far often on paperwork issues, it also seems a bit easier (but still complicated) to organize stuff like that in the Ukraine, Moldova and Belarus.

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: 777way
Posted 2012-12-23 07:19:12 and read 5284 times.

Surprising that JS never got any Yaks, why? hope the superjet is next on their shopping list.

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2012-12-23 10:15:34 and read 5100 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
I thought it was only the US and EU that was strict about those sort of things.

It depends where the aircraft operates. Russia is getting tired of having their aircraft crash into their territory...it's bad press. There's not much they can do about these planes flying elsewhere but they also want to encourage airlines to buy their new aircraft instead of trying to wring every last possible flight out of the old iron.

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: akelley728
Posted 2012-12-24 10:08:02 and read 4570 times.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 13):
Of course the Il-76 freighter on which the aviation tours offer pleasure flights is also off limits in Russia.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
WOW! That is a shocker!
I never thought of Russia as being strict about older aircraft flying in their country - especially if it was made in their country.

You didn't read the entire post. It's not the that IL-76s are off-limits to FLY in Russia, it's that they are off limits to passenger leisure flights. JS is one of the few airlines in the world where a dedicated freighter hauls passengers around also.

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: TK1244
Posted 2012-12-24 10:28:20 and read 4523 times.

Quoting Triple7X (Reply 2):
P-671 seems to be (C/N 03-08) instead of (C/N 03-03) according to sources although I might be wrong can anyone conform if P-671 is C/N 03-03 or C/N 03-08

According to Russianplanes.net, it is c/n 03-08. P-672 will be 04-02.

Quoting 777way (Reply 16):
hope the superjet is next on their shopping list.

AFAIK Air Koryo was looking at the Superjet, but the deal didn't completed because the SSJ has too many western parts...  

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: 777way
Posted 2012-12-24 11:35:35 and read 4432 times.

But so do the Tu-204 that didnt prevent them from getting those.

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: iFlyLOTs
Posted 2012-12-24 11:46:04 and read 4408 times.

The Tu-204-100 has all Russian avionics and engines, I'm not sure about the 300 series avionics but I do know that it used the Russian built engines, it wouldn't surprise me if it also had Russian avionics at least as an option on it for carriers such as JS.

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: TK1244
Posted 2012-12-25 00:06:16 and read 4110 times.

Quoting 777way (Reply 20):
But so do the Tu-204 that didnt prevent them from getting those.

No, the Tu-204 is mostly Russian built (except if the customer choses RR engines). The Tu-204SM however does have western parts (including the PS-90A2 engines) and can't be purchased by Air Koryo, Iranian airlines or other airlines from sanctioned countries  

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: OlafW
Posted 2012-12-25 02:21:18 and read 3991 times.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 21):
I'm not sure about the 300 series avionics

while I don't know anything about the avionics details, I know that I was onboard the Air Koryo -300 in June 2011, so it must be somehow possible to acquire them. Although it comes to mind that JS got the first -300 which was not constructed separately, but built from a -100 airframe. But can anyone confirm that?

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: TK1244
Posted 2012-12-25 09:44:04 and read 3777 times.

Quoting OlafW (Reply 23):
Although it comes to mind that JS got the first -300 which was not constructed separately, but built from a -100 airframe. But can anyone confirm that?

Yes, that's true  

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: OlafW
Posted 2012-12-25 10:49:18 and read 3766 times.

So then there might be a chance that this was the only opportunity for JS to acquire a -300 model, if the normal production model features Western avionics.
Wikipedia states they have another -300 on order, but that's already in the articel since April 2009. Are there any news on that or could it be that this was cancelled due to what I assumed above?

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: TK1244
Posted 2012-12-26 12:59:46 and read 3431 times.

Quoting OlafW (Reply 25):
So then there might be a chance that this was the only opportunity for JS to acquire a -300 model, if the normal production model features Western avionics.

If the -300 only features western avionics, I think this is the only chance to acquire a -300 model for JS.

Quoting OlafW (Reply 25):
Wikipedia states they have another -300 on order, but that's already in the articel since April 2009. Are there any news on that or could it be that this was cancelled due to what I assumed above?

The English page states that they have a second -100B on order? (russianplanes shows two -100B and one -300, but if I understood it correctly c/n 64013 won't be delivered to JS...)

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: OlafW
Posted 2012-12-26 16:18:43 and read 3326 times.

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 26):
The English page states that they have a second -100B on order?

right, that's what's on the Air Koryo wiki page. What I was talking about is the wiki page for the Tu-204, section Tu-204-300: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu-204#Tu-204-300

Obvious mismatch, so who has enough information to determine which one's correct?

Topic: RE: New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)
Username: irshava
Posted 2012-12-26 16:23:57 and read 3317 times.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 15):
it also seems a bit easier (but still complicated) to organize stuff like that in the Ukraine

You are wrong. The more recent Ukrainian government has placed many new regulations in place and also corruption still exists - it is not at 1990 level or even 2004 level... a LOT less... getting a flight is not easy at all.


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