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Topic: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: zrs70
Posted 2012-12-21 22:05:05 and read 18220 times.

Remember the days when:

Northwest had DC10's to places like Great Falls!

TWA served DAY and ABQ with L10's!

UA had DC10's to BDL and 767's to BUR!

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2012-12-21 22:10:44 and read 18220 times.

I know BDL got DL 767s for some time, as well as AA a300s to SJU, before the service was switched to a 757, then a 737, then dropped.

PVD had DL 757s (and maybe 767s) on a scheduled basis.

EA ran a 757 PVD-ISP-ATL (I'msad this doesn't still exist as I travel to Warwick and Providence from Long Island 3-4x a year. I think at one point ISP may have had DC-8s (the airline, though, I cannot recall).

I really wish I had been around during the age of the milk-runs. Made spotting so much more interesting and flying so much more fun!!!

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: notdownnlocked
Posted 2012-12-21 22:35:02 and read 18077 times.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
I think at one point ISP may have had DC-8s (the airline, though, I cannot recall).

Northeastern International Airlines. They lived from 1982-1984.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-12-21 22:37:44 and read 18065 times.

DL had a 767 to ONT not too long ago. Further back, UA did a 762 to LGB.

AA flew 777, MD-11, DC-10s and 762s into SJC, and 763s for a very short time (CDG). The 762 did JFK. SJC still gets HA wide bodies and soon NH.

Didn't someone say that BUF got AA DC-10s? I think AUS did too.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2012-12-21 22:49:26 and read 18008 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):

DL had a 767 to ONT not too long ago. Further back, UA did a 762 to LGB.

ONT isn't a small airport, or a small market. The area's just in a bit of a slump.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2012-12-21 23:25:49 and read 17907 times.

Passenger only I mean what is the smallest us airport to see scheduled widebody? rdu? anc?

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: thekennady
Posted 2012-12-22 00:13:30 and read 17804 times.

NW Operated DC10s MSP-MKE for years, then switched to 753 but after the meger not even a 752.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: CO764
Posted 2012-12-22 00:40:24 and read 17719 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):
Didn't someone say that BUF got AA DC-10s?

Yes it did. I don't know the exact dates of BUF's AA DC-10 service but in June 1972, AA 96 (a DC-10) was heading from LAX to LGA via DTW and BUF. It had an explosive decompression shortly after departing DTW.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):
I think AUS did too.
Routes Used With American DC-10's And MD-11's (by NWA Mar 24 2003 in Civil Aviation)

According to reply 5 of the thread above, Austin got AA DC-10s to DFW in the 90's.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: 727LOVER
Posted 2012-12-22 01:29:48 and read 17618 times.

BUF also saw EA L10s

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: knope2001
Posted 2012-12-22 01:41:55 and read 17604 times.

The *modern day* smallest US airports with scheduled passenger widebody flights are probably Fairbanks (Condor to Frankfurt in summer) and Orlando Sanford (TUI to Amsterdam). Widebodies are nearly extict other than intercontinental flights. Very, very different than 30-35 years ago. Here's what I can find for scheduled widebody flights in the US over the past 40 years.

ANC
FAI
PHX
SAN
ONT
LGB
LAX
SJC
SFO
OAK
SMF
DEN
BDL
MIA
FLL
PBI
MCO
SFB
DAB
RSW
TPA
JAX
ATL
HNL
OGG
ITO
ONA
ORD
IND
MSY
BWI
BOS
DTW
MSP
STL
MCI
BIL
GTF
OMA
LAS
EWR
ABQ
BUF
SYR
JFK
LGA
CLT
RDU
DAY
CMH
CLE
CVG
PDX
PIT
PHL
CAE
MEM
BNA
AUS
SAT
DFW
IAH
SLC
IAD
SEA
GEG
MKE

I can't find anything to support it, but it *seems* like ALB, ELP, TUS and PVD have had scheduled widebody flights, but I might be off on that. I also didn't find anything into some places that might have, including SDF, OKC, RIC, RNO, GSO, LIT, DSM, ORF or SRQ, all of which are relative peers of some widebody cities like Omaha, Columbia, Syracuse and Daytona Beach. And I thought Northwest's Montana DC-10 service included Missoula, but I couldn't find evidence of that...just Spokane-Great Falls-Billings-MSP/ORD.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: beechtobus
Posted 2012-12-22 02:00:23 and read 17503 times.

UA operated DEN-COS with a DC-10 during much of the 90s.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: NASBWI
Posted 2012-12-22 03:26:09 and read 17313 times.

Even though it's part of a larger metropolitan area, I do remember seeing frequent DL 10-11s visiting PBI from the late 80s until the late -90s (at least).

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-12-22 03:36:48 and read 17284 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):
still gets HA wide bodies

I'm betting there are a few airports where HA is the only widebody service, SMF comes to mind, for PDX, HA is the only domestic widebody service. In fact if you take away International departures, there are very few widebody cities left here in the US vs. what it used to be like in the 70's, 80's & 90's.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: rlwynn
Posted 2012-12-22 04:02:38 and read 17227 times.

I remember DC10s and L1011s at Palm Springs.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: thekennady
Posted 2012-12-22 04:23:01 and read 17184 times.

Can anyone name the domestic widebody cities currently? i can name a few
ORD
SFO
MIA
IAH
IAD
ATL
LAX
DEN
JFK
MCO
HNL
PHX
LAS
PDX
DTW
DFW
Im sure there is more but thats all i got for now.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-12-22 04:32:12 and read 17149 times.

Quoting thekennady (Reply 14):
Can anyone name the domestic widebody cities currently? i can name a few
SJC, OAK, SAN, SEA, OGG, EWR, SMF, SAN, SLC

[Edited 2012-12-22 04:42:22]

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: womenbeshoppin
Posted 2012-12-22 05:20:51 and read 16681 times.

Quoting thekennady (Reply 14):
Can anyone name the domestic widebody cities currently? i can name a few

CLT and PHL

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: airbazar
Posted 2012-12-22 06:01:42 and read 16234 times.

MHT still gets plenty of widebodies from....UPS and FEDEX. That's a relatively small airport  

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2012-12-22 06:05:21 and read 16182 times.

Delta flew L10s to TYS and MEM.
AA had D10s to AUS and SAT.
UA had D10s to OMA
I'm sure National might have had DC10s to smaller cities

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: sccutler
Posted 2012-12-22 07:59:57 and read 14874 times.

Quoting CO764 (Reply 7):

According to reply 5 of the thread above, Austin got AA DC-10s to DFW in the 90's.

Indeed, they did, and that was from the old (and much-lamented) Meueller, when Bergstrom was still Bergstrom AFB. Takeoff from KAUS was very sporty!

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: Tan Flyr
Posted 2012-12-22 08:09:14 and read 14758 times.

Living In IND in the early to mid 80's we had:

AA DC 10 on an ORD early am arrival, usually the last leg of a SFO or a LAX red-eye to ORD. It then was teh second morning departure to ORD..usually continuing on to SFO.

Then that became a 762 for a while and time of day varied.

TWA had both l-10 and 767 from STL at various times and also for a long time had a LAX-IND- DAY L10 flight. Occasionally it started in CMH-then IND to LAX..always Am westbound and evening return, usually around 9:30 PM.
On clear evenings I could see it approach from my balcony patio.

ahh. those were some good days.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: maxpower1954
Posted 2012-12-22 08:28:43 and read 14499 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
I'm sure National might have had DC10s to smaller cities

Actually, I think PBI was the smallest station with DC-10 service. The milk runs were always 727s in the jet age.

I nominate DAB as the smallest city/market to ever have scheduled wide-body service - Eastern L-1011s back in the day.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: FlyPeoria
Posted 2012-12-22 08:58:31 and read 14132 times.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 9):
I can't find anything to support it, but it *seems* like ALB, ELP, TUS and PVD have had scheduled widebody flights, but I might be off on that.

OAG's Pocket Flight Guide, North American Edition, for March 1-31, 1985 shows AA Flt. #375 operatiing DFW-ELP with a DC-10. AA #436 operated ELP-DFW. Looks like a RON at ELP.

Going back a decade earlier, American Airlines' timetable eff. August 1, 1975 shows the following medium-sized city DC-10 flights:

BUF-ORD 1x daily
BUF-DTW-LAX 2x daily
BUF-LGA 1x daily

BDL-JFK 1x daily

PHX-ORD 2x daily
PHX-SFO 1x daily

There was also a daily JFK-PHX-LAX roundtrip with a 747!

(The Phoenix MSA had "only" 1.5 million residents in 1980 so I'd consider it medium-size in 1975)

SYR-ORD-LAX 2x daily
SYR-JFK 1x daily

United Air Lines' June 13, 1975 timetable shows some interesting DC-10/747 routes:

CLE-ATL-TPA 1x daily DC-10
CLE-ORD-HNL 2x daily 747
CLE-ORD 1x daily DC-10
BDL-ORD 1x daily DC-10
LAS-ORD-JFK 1x daily 747
LAS-ORD 1x daily DC-10
LAS-DEN-DTW 1x daily DC-10
LAS-LAX 1x daily DC-10
LAS-SFO 1x daily DC-10
MKE-DEN Tuesday-only DC-10 (!!!)
PIT-ORD-LAX 1x daily 747, 1x daily DC-10
PIT-DTW-SFO Monday & Tuesday-only DC-10
PDX-ORD 1x daily DC-10
PDX-SEA 1x daily DC-10

Northwest Airlines' timetable Eff. June 1, 1976 is interesting as well:

Flt. #71 operated EWR-ORD-BIL-GTF-GEG-SEA daily with a DC-10
Flt. #72 operated SEA-GEG-GTF-BIL-ORD-DTW-EWR daily with a DC-10

Flt. #220 operated MSP-MKE-JFK daily with a 747
Flt. #221 operated JFK-MKE-MSP daily with a 747

Flt. #12 operated ANC-SEA-GEG-MSP-ORD ex. Sat with a DC-10
Flt. #50 operated SEA-GEG-MSP-PHL-EWR daily with a DC-10
Flt. #125 operated ORD-MSP-GEG-SEA daily with a DC-10

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: GentFromAlaska
Posted 2012-12-22 09:55:16 and read 13532 times.

As oh crap goes on day 9/11 I remember two Korean Air 747 inbound with passengers for ANC diverted to tiny and I mean tiny Whitehorse Yukon Territory Canada. One of the 747 was squawking the hijack signal which the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) via USA-F Alaska Forces ordered fighter jets out of California and F-15's out of EDF.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsM3mUmUK_8

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a1108korean

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002-08-12-koreanair_x.htm

In the late 90's or early turn of the century the co-founder of Microsoft chartered a 747 and other equipment in JNU Juneau, Alaska with quite a few of the Hollywood elite and some from England for a Bill Gates birthday bash. They chartered a cruise ship for a weekend voyage into Glacier Bay,

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2012-12-22 10:03:29 and read 13451 times.

Quoting notdownnlocked (Reply 2):

Thanks! Any idea where they flew to from ISP? Sorry for my cluelessness  

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: DalDC9Bos
Posted 2012-12-22 10:03:40 and read 13789 times.

Loved the days of flying Delta 767s from ATL to LGA and their MD11s from ATL to JFK. Its great taking a wide-body into La Guardia.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2012-12-22 10:04:37 and read 13748 times.

Did EA ever fly the L1011 into OMA on their STL-OMA-SEA routes

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2012-12-22 10:16:03 and read 14014 times.

STL has to win the award of most former widebodies to now none.


Actually there are alot of cities that see widbody service still and alot of non-hubs still see them.

ORD
SFO
MIA
IAH
IAD
ATL
LAX
DEN
JFK
MCO
HNL
PHX
LAS
PDX
DTW
DFW
SJC
OAK
SAN
SEA
OGG
EWR
SMF
SAN
SLC
PHL
CLT
RDU
FAI
ANC
MSP

[Edited 2012-12-22 11:06:07]

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: LoneStarMike
Posted 2012-12-22 10:17:06 and read 13950 times.

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 22):
Going back a decade earlier, American Airlines' timetable eff. August 1, 1975 shows the following medium-sized city DC-10 flights:

BUF-DTW-LAX 2x daily

One of those flights going in the other direction (LAX-DTW-BUF) was Flight 96. That was the one that suffered a cargo door failure over Windsor, Ontario while flying the leg between DTW and BUF on June 12, 1972.

Wikipedia Entry - American Airlines Flight 96

LoneStarMike

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: Coronado
Posted 2012-12-22 10:31:34 and read 13755 times.

Quoting thekennady (Reply 14):
Can anyone name the domestic widebody cities currently? i can name a few

I think MSP still has a couple daily domestic widebodies that I can find, looking at the schedule this Friday 12/28 for Delta I see a 763 and a 332 to LAX. However No widebodies scheduled from MSP to ATL or DTW, however, that I can find, at least during the winter months.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: Mainliner
Posted 2012-12-22 10:48:26 and read 13572 times.

One thing I've always wondered is how full these flights were. Most of them seem to be "tag" flights (LAX-DTW-BUF, or LAX-ORD-IND). I'm sure the loads on the tag segments were usually low, but can anyone give a round about estimate of how often these widebodies might have been filled to capacity?

Was it common for fare paying pax (let's say on DTW-BUF-LGA) to be denied boarding because of a fuller than anticipated load continuing from the origination point (say LAX)?

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: HAWAIIAN932
Posted 2012-12-22 11:28:18 and read 13196 times.

I lived in Palm Springs from 1983 to 1993 and American used to bring a DC-10 into PSP from DFW and Canadian brought in a DC-10 from YVR on occasions. I remember when you could fly on a widebody even on short routes. PSA flew their L-1011 called "Mother Grining Bird" between LAX and SFO. United had a DC-10 from SAN to LAX and then going on to HNL. Delta had 763's between PHX and LAS and also between SLC and LAS. Those were the good old days.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: IndyWA
Posted 2012-12-22 12:03:32 and read 12804 times.

MKE also saw UA DC-10 flights from MKE-ORD (and I think CLE as well!) I remember I flew on to ORD once on my way to Florida on one of those birds. Probably in the 80's sometime. I have a pic of a NW 747 in MKE also, as well as numerous photos of the classic NW DC-10 and the first few 757's which were named "City of XXX". I'll have to dig those out!

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: olddominion727
Posted 2012-12-22 12:33:49 and read 12528 times.

SJC, OAK SFO SMF PDX SEA LAX MEM SAN PHX TUS LAS RNO HNL OGG KOA LIH RSW MSP SLC DTW ORD BOS JFK LGA EWR DFW HOU MSY SDF ATL MCO TPA BWI IAD PHL CLT RDU PIT CVG SFB BOS IAH DFW TYS

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-22 12:48:45 and read 12298 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 17):
MHT still gets plenty of widebodies from....UPS and FEDEX. That's a relatively small airport

Sioux Falls, SD still has a FedEx A300-600 if not mistaken. I believe that flight operates MEM-FSD-YYC.

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 28):
One of those flights going in the other direction (LAX-DTW-BUF) was Flight 96. That was the one that suffered a cargo door failure over Windsor, Ontario while flying the leg between DTW and BUF on June 12, 1972.

That flight was operating LAX-DTW-BUF-LGA. AA had a couple of daily DC-10s then on BUF-LGA. AA also used the DC-10 on YYZ-LGA for a while in the '70s.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: rlwynn
Posted 2012-12-22 12:59:56 and read 12179 times.

If cargo also, then add SNA.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: JayBird
Posted 2012-12-22 13:14:34 and read 12082 times.

At Hartford - American flew DC-10s and A300s, Eastern L-1011s (and DC-8-60 series), TWA L-1011s, United DC-10s (and stretch 8s), Delta flew L-1011s as well. There was regular widebody service BDL-JFK and BDL-ORD. I don't remember which - someone flew in 747s as well as a tag - BDL-JFK-LAX .. maybe more than one carrier. After Delta purchased Northeast I think they were running L-1011s BDL-BOS-BDA as well? And squeezing in between these widebodies were Mohawk 111s and 227s, Pilgrim Twin Otters and lots of other smaller equipment. It was wonderful to go out on the observation desk and smell the jet fuel and see these large aircraft at smaller BDL ..  

[Edited 2012-12-22 14:10:31]

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: deltairlines
Posted 2012-12-22 13:23:24 and read 11948 times.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 9):
I can't find anything to support it, but it *seems* like ALB, ELP, TUS and PVD have had scheduled widebody flights, but I might be off on that.

Per the OAG, Delta had weekend 767-300 service on ATL-PVD in April 2004/2005 (right around Spring Break time).

SATA also flew summer seasonal 1x/wk A310-300 to PDL from 2004-2008 (except for 2007).

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: skycub
Posted 2012-12-22 14:54:00 and read 11122 times.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
I think at one point ISP may have had DC-8s (the airline, though, I cannot recall).
Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 24):
Thanks! Any idea where they flew to from ISP? Sorry for my cluelessness

No reason to apologize, mesaflyguy.

They were a small, short-lived carrier....

They started flying on February 11, 1982 with DC-8-52s between Islip and Fort Lauderdale.

According to their May 2, 1983 timetable, they were operating from Islip to Boston (12x weekly), Hartford (8x weekly), Fort Lauderdale (9x weekly), Orlando (7x weekly) and Saint Petersburg (4x weekly).

Their May 1, 1984 route map can be seen here:

http://www.departedflights.com/QS050184.html

And their May 1, 1984 complete timetable can be seen here:

http://www.departedflights.com/QS050184p2.html

Their fleet grew to include 727 and, later, Airbus A300 equipment.

They ultimately shut down for good on November 5, 1985.


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Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: floorrunner
Posted 2012-12-22 15:17:52 and read 10820 times.

If I am not mistaken, Branniff flew a 747 in and out of Dallas Love Field. I believe there are pictures in the database.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: skycub
Posted 2012-12-22 15:36:23 and read 10601 times.

Quoting floorrunner (Reply 39):
If I am not mistaken, Branniff flew a 747 in and out of Dallas Love Field.

Actually, prior to the opening of DFW, Braniff, American and Delta ALL flew 747s into Love Field.

In addition, American operated DC-10s and Delta operated L-1011s into Love Field.

From the excellent "A Pictorial History of Airline Service at Dallas Love Field" by George W. Cearley, Jr.:

"On the morning of October 25, 1970, Delta became the first airline to offer 747 service at Love Field, with Flight 11 from Atlanta to Dallas and Los Angeles."

"American was the second airline to offer 747 service at Dallas on October 25, 1970, but a little less than eight hours after the Delta flight. American's '747 Astroliner" departed Love Field at 5:35pm for Los Angeles, while the Delta flight had left at 9:58am, also for Los Angeles."

"Braniff became the third 747 operator out of Love Field (following Delta and American) when it inaugurated flights to Honolulu Friday, January 15, 1971."

"American inaugurated Douglas DC-10 service at Dallas in January 1972 with flights to Chicago O'Hare."

"On December 15, 1973, Delta inaugurated Lockheed L-1011 'Tri Star' service at Love Field on a route from Atlanta to Dallas and Las Vegas."

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: YXwatcherMKE
Posted 2012-12-22 15:57:44 and read 10369 times.

MKE had DC-10 service by UA to DEN/SFO in the 80's my wife and I did it Twice. also to Florida in the winter months. NW did a lot of DC-10 flights out of MKE to MSP JFK DTW and 747's and DC-10's to Florida in the winter months. I did the 747's MKE-ORD-FLL and back a few time with my grandparents back in the 70's in First, wow what service you got back then. I remember seeing an Eastern L1011 a few times at MKE, but I not certain that was schedule or not.
I'm not sure if it counts or not but UPS and Fedex both have W/B's come in every day at MKE.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2012-12-22 16:01:05 and read 10316 times.

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 35):
If cargo also, then add SNA.

If cargo, add a lot of places.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: steeler83
Posted 2012-12-22 16:18:39 and read 10185 times.

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 22):
PIT-ORD-LAX 1x daily 747, 1x daily DC-10
PIT-DTW-SFO Monday & Tuesday-only DC-10

Wow, that in addition to what TWA was flying at the time. I didn't realize UA had widebody/jumbo jet service at PIT at one point.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: contrails
Posted 2012-12-22 17:27:17 and read 9573 times.

In the early 70's AA had r/t DC-10 service from TUL to OKC continuing to LAX. Later on they had r/t DC-10 service to DFW.

In terms of unscheduled flights, AA often ferried 747's and DC-10's to their maintenance base at TUL. There are still occassional 767 and 777 flights.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: ozark1
Posted 2012-12-22 18:07:33 and read 9228 times.

I was a BUF based f/a for AA for 3 months in the winter of 1978. We had a two-day LAX trip. BUF-ORD-LAX and same routing on the return . It was a base of about 200 f/a's and we'd carpool to work for the trip. Left in the morning---think it was Flight 181/182 on the return.
I remember flying DC10's into DFW from ELP, DTW, MEX, AUS, SAT,MSY just to name a few. A cool feature about that plane was that there was a viewing window of the nose gear in the lower lobe galley. I can remember staying down there once as we came into MEX and watching the gear drop, got to watch the city underneath me for a few seconds before I hurriedly took the elevator up to my jumpseat. Those were the days!

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: Wingtips56
Posted 2012-12-22 18:12:14 and read 9155 times.

As somebody said, if cargo, add lots of places, some, like Sacramento's Mather Field (KMHR) are only cargo. As to SMF, UA had DC-10 and 767-200 regular SMF-DEN flights for years. HA flew scheduled charters for Suntrips to HNL with L1011s many years before they started the current 767-300 service. PSA would occasionally bring in their L1011 to protect for canceled flights, sometimes in combination with a canceled Western flight, but that was never scheduled service. Other one-off charters with widebodies have made appearances over the years. Even AF Concorde.

If occasional drop-ins count, SMF has always had the occasional diversions from SFO, SJC and even LAX, seeing LH, CA, BA, UA, PA, AF 747's and other heavies. A PA 747 doing touch & goes was a regular sight in the early years, and they even stuck one in the rice paddy when a Touch didn't Go once. USAF C-5s, Starlifters and other trainers were a regular occurrence. And Boeing used to bring in the new models during flight certification; I saw the first 747-300 there and the first 777-300 as well. And one really exciting day featured a shiny CPAir DC-10 buzzing the field with a chase plane for photographs. I digress, but the SR-71s and U2s out of Beale AFB streaking the runway were other high points.

So diversions and charters, if counted, would add another bunch of smaller market airports to the list.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: FlyPeoria
Posted 2012-12-22 18:15:59 and read 9156 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 42):
If cargo, add a lot of places.

Cargo is often the only reason a lot of small airports have wide-body flights. RFD is a great example being a UPS hub since 1994. Most widebodies are AB3's and 763's, but during the Christmas Rush, they get 747's. In fact, this week, a Kalitta 747-200 flew RFD-DFW. Also, UPS flew an MD-11 EWR-RFD this week. Unfortunately, both are late evening affairs.

PIA has been getting UPS AB3's since Febuary 2009. They operate SDF-PIA-RFD in early morning and RFD-PIA-SDF in late evening Monday thru Friday. Check out my videos from June 14 and 20:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKSWvQZ_5HE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIBEGPSkHWM

IND is hardly small, but it sees quite a bit of wide-body cargo action being a FedEx hub and a thrice-weekly stop for Cargolux 747s. On August 31, I got lucky and saw not only the Cargolux jet but also an Atlas Air 747 military charter to Germany! Made the 3.5-hour drive worth it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPRftqyNwto

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2012-12-22 18:31:19 and read 8989 times.

Quoting skycub (Reply 38):

Wow, thanks for all the info and pictures!

I wish I'd seen the days when ISP had more than WN 737s and US Airways Dash's and CRJ's.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-12-22 18:36:56 and read 8956 times.

Keep in mind that when these towns had widebodies, they had 1 or 2 flights a day to one or two cities.

Now from COS, just on UA, I can fly to LAX, SFO, DEN, ORD, IAH and IAD and multiple times a day to several.

NS

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2012-12-22 19:05:42 and read 8753 times.

Quoting HAWAIIAN932 (Reply 31):
United had a DC-10 from SAN to LAX and then going on to HNL.

I know during the early 80's around 1982, UA had a nonstop SAN-HNL, using a DC-10,but about a year
later they switched to a 747 that went SAN-LAX-HNL


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Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: Oshkosh1
Posted 2012-12-22 19:10:56 and read 8665 times.

ATW sees regular FedEx A300 service.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2012-12-22 19:40:06 and read 8341 times.

AA flew DFW-COS with DC-10 1-2x daily during the WP days

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: skycub
Posted 2012-12-22 19:48:19 and read 8295 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 52):
AA flew DFW-COS with DC-10 1-2x daily during the WP days

And, of course, even more incredible, is that United flew DC-10s from DEN to COS during the Western Pacific days.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: CoachClass
Posted 2012-12-22 21:26:52 and read 7634 times.

In early 70's, PBI had DL and EA L1011's and NA DC10's.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: ckfred
Posted 2012-12-22 21:36:56 and read 7557 times.

AA used to fly ORD-PSP with DC-10s in the 70s. Now, it's MD-80s.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: us330
Posted 2012-12-22 21:56:06 and read 7466 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 52):
AA flew DFW-COS with DC-10 1-2x daily during the WP days

You sure? I can remember DFW-DEN on a DC-10, but never anything bigger than an MD-80 to COS.

United did operate a DC-10 from DEN to COS--I remember seeing it on the ground once.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: maxpower1954
Posted 2012-12-22 22:30:34 and read 7360 times.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 43):
Wow, that in addition to what TWA was flying at the time. I didn't realize UA had widebody/jumbo jet service at PIT at one point.

In 1974, I flew on a United DC-10 from PIT to TPA. PIT was a substantial UA operation for many years, inherited from the 1961 Capital merger.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: skycub
Posted 2012-12-22 23:16:57 and read 7298 times.

Quoting us330 (Reply 56):

You sure? I can remember DFW-DEN on a DC-10, but never anything bigger than an MD-80 to COS.

I have to agree with us330.... I don't recall AA ever operating DC-10s from DFW to COS.

I have an almost complete set of AA timetables from the 90s, but I am too lazy to look through them all... but I would be very curious to see when, and if, AA ever operated DC-10s from DFW to COS.

If you can prove that wrong... I would love to see it.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: Viajero
Posted 2012-12-23 02:14:56 and read 7159 times.

Although it's a non passenger airport, AFW (Ft. Worth Alliance Airport) sees numerous widebody aircraft from both FedEx and American (Maintenance Base (for now)) including the A310, MD-10, MD-11 and 763/777s.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: COSPN
Posted 2012-12-23 02:20:55 and read 7159 times.

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 20):
Living In IND in the early to mid 80's we had:

AA DC 10 on an ORD early am arrival, usually the last leg of a SFO or a LAX red-eye to ORD. It then was teh second morning departure to ORD..usually continuing on to SFO.

Yes I Flew on the AA DC-10 IND-ORD 27 mins   in 1986 or 87

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-12-23 03:36:26 and read 7134 times.

Quoting Mainliner (Reply 30):
). I'm sure the loads on the tag segments were usually low, but can anyone give a round about estimate of how often these widebodies might have been filled to capacity?

As a frequent flyer between SEA & PDX from the early 79-84, I went out of my way to ride widebodies, BN 747, NW 747, UA DC-10, EA L-1011, DL L-1011, EA A300, CO DC-10, TZ L-1011, HA L-1011.

Below is a comprehensive list of the carriers and the metal they flew on this route. I never ever saw a flight better than 50% on those flying tags, for those carriers like QX and UAX I have been on many packed flights.

ZA=AccessAir - 73S - http://www.departedflights.com/ZA103199.html
OC=Air Cal - M80, 73S, 733 - http://www.departedflights.com/OC050187.html
JT=Air Oregon - SWM - http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/jt/jt79/jt79-08.jpg
AS Fluggeselischaft mbH">RW=Airwest - DC9s - http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/rw68/rw68-2.jpg
*AS=Alaska Airlines - 727, 72S, 73S, 734, 73G, M80 - http://www.departedflights.com/AS091586.html
*AA=American Airlines - M80, 72S, 727 - http://www.departedflights.com/AA042681p32.html
TZ=American Trans Air - L10 - http://www.departedflights.com/TZ121794.html
Bennett Air Transport - http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/ben30a.htm
*BN=Braniff International - 747, 72S, 727 - http://www.departedflights.com/BN070179.html
CZ=Cascade Airways - HS7, BE9, B11 - http://www.departedflights.com/CZ090984.html
7C=Columbia Pacific Airlines (BFI) - PAG - http://www.departedflights.com/PDX91p3.html
*CO=Continental Airlines - D10, 707, 720, 727, 72S, M80 - http://www.departedflights.com/CO010880.html
*DL=Delta Airlines - L10, 767, 757, 72S - http://www.departedflights.com/DL103182.html
*EA=Eastern Airlines - L10, AB3, 757, 72S, 727 - http://www.departedflights.com/EA050181.html
EZ=Evergreen International - DC8 - Summer 1980 only, SEA-PDX-OGG-PDX-SEA, Sa only, no local SEA-PDX-SEA
Execuair - PAG - http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/ev1.htm
Far West Airlines - PAG (HIO-BFI) - http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/far.htm
FL=Frontier Airlines - 73S, M80 - http://www.departedflights.com/FL040485.html
*HA=Hawaiian Airlines - L10 - http://www.departedflights.com/HA040587.html
*QX=Horizon Air - F27, F28, SWM, DH8, DH4, CRJ, 328 - http://www.departedflights.com/QX010586.html
*AS Fluggeselischaft mbH">RW=Hughes Airwest - 72S, DC9, D9S, F27 - http://www.departedflights.com/RW070172.html
SI=Jet America - M80 - http://www.departedflights.com/SI060787.html
BF=Markair - 73S - http://www.departedflights.com/BF090793.html
*KN/SP=Morris Air (Sierra Pacific) - 73S - http://www.departedflights.com/KN080193.html
*NW=Northwest Orient / Northwest Airlines - 747, D10, 320, 757, 720, 72S, 727 - http://www.departedflights.com/NW080182.html
PNA=Pacific Northern Airlines - CON - http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/pn59/pn59-1.jpg
PA=Pan American World Airways - 747, 707 - http://www.departedflights.com/PA042973.html
QQ=Reno Air - M80 - http://www.departedflights.com/QQ052297.html
*RC=Republic Airlines - 72S, DC9, D9S - http://www.departedflights.com/RC042681.html
K5=SeaPort (BFI) - Pilates, Caravan - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HXzWcH24M
OO=AS-Skywest - http://www.skywest.com/assets/Upload...Maps/AlaskaRouteSystemOCT12-01.jpg
OO=UAX-Skywest - http://www.skywest.com/assets/Upload...Maps/UnitedRouteSystemOCT12-01.jpg
SY=Sun Country Airlines - 738 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP1RqDdaxZY
http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight...irlineCode=SY&flightNumber=123
http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight...irlineCode=SY&flightNumber=123
JK=Sunworld,-733, DC9 - http://www.departedflights.com/JK091487.html
*WA Transworld Airlines (USA)">TW=Trans World Airlines - L10, M80, 767 - http://www.departedflights.com/TW070183.html
*OE=UAX-Westair - J31, EM2 - http://www.departedflights.com/PDX91p3.html
*NO=UAX-NPA - J31, EM2 - http://www.departedflights.com/PDX91p3.html
*UA=United Airlines - 747, D10, D8S, 727, 72S, 73S - http://www.departedflights.com/UA030283.html
US=USAir / US Airways - 733 - http://www.departedflights.com/US070189.html
West Coast Air Transport - Tri Motor Fokker - http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/wcat30a.htm
West Coast Airlines - DC3 - http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/wc66/wc66-01.jpg
*WA=Western Airlines - 72S, 720, 707, 73S - http://www.departedflights.com/WA030181.html
W7=Western Pacific - 733 - http://www.departedflights.com/W7062997.html
*WC=Wien Air Alaska - 72S, 73S - http://www.departedflights.com/WC030284.html

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 50):
I know during the early 80's around 1982, UA had a nonstop SAN-HNL, using a DC-10,but about a year
later they switched to a 747 that went SAN-LAX-HNL

It's funny how similar SAN and PDX's stories are, at this same time period UA had a n/s DC-10 PDX-HNL, but also ran a once weekly ODX-PDX-NRT & NRT-PDX-ORD flights both on Tuesdays with 742's that crossed paths at the same time. I caught the ORD-PDX segment once on purpose, the rest of the week the flight ran ORD-SEA-NRT

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2012-12-23 08:02:24 and read 6937 times.

Quoting skycub (Reply 58):
I have to agree with us330.... I don't recall AA ever operating DC-10s from DFW to COS.
Quoting us330 (Reply 56):
You sure? I can remember DFW-DEN on a DC-10, but never anything bigger than an MD-80 to COS.

I am pretty certain it was in 1998

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2012-12-23 12:08:44 and read 6812 times.

747 on ORD-BDL
http://www.departedflights.com/ORD74p4.html

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: skycub
Posted 2012-12-23 12:15:13 and read 6780 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 63):
747 on ORD-BDL

LOL... and two 747s between ORD and PIT!!!!

http://www.departedflights.com/ORD74p7.html

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: mayor
Posted 2012-12-23 12:33:29 and read 6756 times.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 9):

DL flew L-1011s to TYS from ATL in conjunction with the World's Fair in that city.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
Delta flew L10s to TYS and MEM.

Also, at the time that we had both L-1011s AND DC-10s, we flew 10s into MEM.



I also remember TW had a Tristar that went STL-SLC.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: davies2911
Posted 2012-12-23 12:40:01 and read 6737 times.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 9):

Sanford will also see regular 787 Transatlantics from May when TOM start flying from the UK in May.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: knope2001
Posted 2012-12-23 13:55:48 and read 6614 times.

Quoting Mainliner (Reply 30):
One thing I've always wondered is how full these flights were. Most of them seem to be "tag" flights (LAX-DTW-BUF, or LAX-ORD-IND). I'm sure the loads on the tag segments were usually low, but can anyone give a round about estimate of how often these widebodies might have been filled to capacity?

Although we're talking about a time long before stats were posted online for individual markets, airlines in general flew average loads which would not be acceptable today. This is from the 1974 American report, a year in which they earned $20m profit on revenues of $1.6b.

System scheduled load factor -- the percentage of seats sold to seats available -- was 58.1 percent, 5.1 percentage points above the 53.0 per cent load factor of 1973. This compared favorably with the 55.0 per cent industry load factor.

Another example...from Delta's 1983 annual report, their systemwide load factor was 53.78%

Also factor in a couple of other things:
--To get an average in the low 50's systemwide, it was routine for most routes to be in the 45-65% range
--Aircraft had lower density seating then than they did later on (for example L10 / D10 seated about 250, compared to 280-290 in later years.)
--Aircraft often flew multi-stop routes, so passenger flows from multiple origins and destinations were onboard many individual segments.
--Nonstops were less common, and in some cases (certainly not all) there were fewer total flights.


Airlines had fewer tools and skills to spread demand out. So while it may seem strange to run a half-full D10 on a segment when they could have run an 85% full 727-200, consider that the route might carry 180 passengers on a Sunday and 75 passengers on a Tuesday. The notion of "getting bumped" goes back many decades, far into the days when flights were only half full on average.

So while most airports board far more passengers than they did in the 70's and 80's, big changes in the structure of the domestic industry mean rather few domestic widebodies than were seen back then -- especially at medium and smaller airports.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: skycub
Posted 2012-12-23 14:37:40 and read 6543 times.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 8):
BUF also saw EA L10s

BUF also had Eastern A300s used for a while on the ATL-BUF-YYZ route.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: mayor
Posted 2012-12-23 15:09:32 and read 6500 times.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 50):
I know during the early 80's around 1982, UA had a nonstop SAN-HNL, using a DC-10,but about a year
later they switched to a 747 that went SAN-LAX-HNL

DL had an L-1011, SLC-SAN-HNL, for a few years, right after the DL/WA merger.



And, of course, WA was operating DC-10s, in and out of SLC before and after the merger. Some of those flights carried over, using DC-10s.........SLC-ORD comes to mind.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: quiet1
Posted 2012-12-24 08:18:51 and read 6127 times.

I remember my aunt & uncle taking a DL 747 from ATL to JAX, so JAX had them at one point.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-24 08:38:32 and read 6104 times.

Quoting us330 (Reply 56):
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 52):
AA flew DFW-COS with DC-10 1-2x daily during the WP days

You sure? I can remember DFW-DEN on a DC-10, but never anything bigger than an MD-80 to COS.

United did operate a DC-10 from DEN to COS--I remember seeing it on the ground once.

The October 1, 1991 OAG shows one UA DC-10 in each direction DEN-COS-DEN. It overnighted at COS. UA146 originated at LAX. Assume UA293 continued somewhere beyond DEN but can't determiine where.

DEN-COS UA146 1900-1936 Daily except Saturday
COS-DEN UA293 0710-0745 Daily except Sunday

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2012-12-24 08:45:56 and read 6089 times.

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 22):
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 9):I can't find anything to support it, but it *seems* like ALB, ELP, TUS and PVD have had scheduled widebody flights, but I might be off on that.
OAG's Pocket Flight Guide, North American Edition, for March 1-31, 1985 shows AA Flt. #375 operatiing DFW-ELP with a DC-10. AA #436 operated ELP-DFW. Looks like a RON at ELP.

The opening scene of Paris, Texas (not a great film, BTW) shows an AA DC-10 on the ground at ELP. The funny thing is that it featues a Muse Air MD-80, when Muse Air didn't even fly to ELP. They must have paid Muse to fly one of their birds out tl ELP  

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: PWMRamper
Posted 2012-12-24 10:11:06 and read 6007 times.

Hell, PWM used to see DL overnight 767's.

DL would park them in PWM instead of BOS, and do a revenue PWM-BOS-JFK flight as it was cheaper than overnighting in BOS.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: freakyrat
Posted 2012-12-25 03:23:39 and read 5574 times.

AA flew DC10's into the old AUS airport.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: uwbadger0509
Posted 2012-12-25 04:19:29 and read 5540 times.

Quoting PWMRamper (Reply 73):
Hell, PWM used to see DL overnight 767's.

DL would park them in PWM instead of BOS, and do a revenue PWM-BOS-JFK flight as it was cheaper than overnighting in BOS.

It was great yesterday to see a DL 767 subbing for an MD-88 as flight 1900 from ATL to BOS.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: rduco
Posted 2012-12-25 04:37:05 and read 5518 times.

worked in SRQ from 96-2000 // DL had 762 to ATL

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: e38
Posted 2012-12-25 19:53:52 and read 5143 times.

With reference to El Paso, Texas, in the early 1970's (I remember 1972 specifically), American flew DC-10s to Dallas Love Field (this was prior to the opening of DFW). The American DC-10s parked at Gate 15 on the West Concourse (Gate A-4 now). I don't think American's widebody service to El Paso lasted very long.

Later, 1978 - 1979 time frame, Continental also served El Paso with DC-10 equipment. The aircraft were on a LAX-ELP-SAT-IAH routing.

e38

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: N1120A
Posted 2012-12-26 04:03:19 and read 4888 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):
DL had a 767 to ONT not too long ago.

And that dated back to Western. In the old terminals, there was a single jetway, and it served Western and then Delta.

HA also ran DC-10s to ONT and I personally flew on a DC-10 on CO to DEN (Stapleton).

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 4):
ONT isn't a small airport, or a small market. The area's just in a bit of a slump.

ONT is the worst positioned airport in a large market that is dominated by one airport. Its a great airfield, but doesn't have the draw.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 5):

Passenger only I mean what is the smallest us airport to see scheduled widebody? rdu? anc?

ANC is hardly a small airport, if you are looking at traffic or airfield.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: United_fan
Posted 2012-12-26 04:58:40 and read 4838 times.

ROC had AA DC-10-10's to LGA . COS had DC-10's to DEN.

[Edited 2012-12-26 05:37:37] JAX has/had 767's to ATL.

[Edited 2012-12-26 05:38:29]

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: mayor
Posted 2012-12-26 05:52:13 and read 4789 times.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 78):
And that dated back to Western. In the old terminals, there was a single jetway, and it served Western and then Delta.





Only the route and/or service goes back to WA. I don't believe that WA ever operated DC-10s into ONT and I know they never had any 767s. That was all DL.

[Edited 2012-12-26 06:53:02]

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: L1011
Posted 2012-12-26 07:54:26 and read 4679 times.

EA had an A300 flight between ATL and RIC daily except Tuesday. On Tuesday, it was an L-1011.

Bob Bradley

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: ODwyerPW
Posted 2012-12-26 08:15:00 and read 4627 times.

ALB had 767 service in the 90s.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: miaami
Posted 2012-12-26 08:33:33 and read 4605 times.

CMH had a few widebody flights during the late 70's and early 80's.

I think the first scheduled widebody service from CMH was by TWA.

The November 15,1979 OAG lists a TW L1011

Flight 189 CMH-IND-LAX 17:30


The TWA December 1, 1981 thru January 10,1982 timetable lists 3 L1011 flights

Flight 112 CMH-LGA 07:20
Flight 233 CMH-ORD-MCI 08:40
Flight 91 CMH-STL-LAX 10:40

Later TW ran the 767 to STL and MCI during different time periods.

Eastern operated the A300 on flights between CMH and BOS and IAH. The flights were redeyes and were in conjunction with a cargo carrier in the mid to late 80's

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: gsoflyer
Posted 2012-12-26 12:29:28 and read 4355 times.

Delta used to have wide bodies into GSO from Atlanta, more than a decade ago.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2012-12-26 13:13:13 and read 4273 times.

Quoting e38 (Reply 77):
With reference to El Paso, Texas, in the early 1970's (I remember 1972 specifically), American flew DC-10s to Dallas Love Field (this was prior to the opening of DFW). The American DC-10s parked at Gate 15 on the West Concourse (Gate A-4 now). I don't think American's widebody service to El Paso lasted very long.

It lasted through the early 1990's...DC10-10's weren't uncommon aircraft substitutions at ELP during the holidays when demand went way up. My personal last intra-Texas AA DC-10 flight was DFW-SAT in 1992...

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: DeltaRules
Posted 2012-12-26 15:04:53 and read 4171 times.

Don't think I saw it covered above but, according to the 7-1-83 OAG, DAY also saw L-1011 service from DL, DL 1029 arriving at 8:35pm from...wait for it...

CVG.

And I thought CMH-CVG on a 757 was amazing. CVG-DAY, 60 miles on an L10!

[Edited 2012-12-26 15:05:35]

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: flyguy89
Posted 2012-12-26 16:44:20 and read 4022 times.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 86):
Don't think I saw it covered above but, according to the 7-1-83 OAG, DAY also saw L-1011 service from DL, DL 1029 arriving at 8:35pm from...wait for it...

CVG.

And I thought CMH-CVG on a 757 was amazing. CVG-DAY, 60 miles on an L10!

Yeah it's crazy to think about nowadays, I remember being amazed at the ridiculousness flying an ERJ DAY-CVG let alone an L1011, but CVG was good for tag-ons like that I guess. Most of these flights from IND, DAY and CMH were same plane through flights to cities like LAX or SFO. Heck CMH had a daily 738 flight to CVG as late of 2008/2009 I believe.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: DeltaRules
Posted 2012-12-26 16:51:46 and read 4013 times.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 87):
Yeah it's crazy to think about nowadays, I remember being amazed at the ridiculousness flying an ERJ DAY-CVG let alone an L1011, but CVG was good for tag-ons like that I guess.

I flew at Delta Connection Academy when they had a satellite campus at DAY. Thanks to flight benefits, it wasn't uncommon for a couple instructors who lived near CVG to hop the morning CRJ/ERJ CVG-DAY to go to work, taking the last DAY-CVG home.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 87):
Heck CMH had a daily 738 flight to CVG as late of 2008/2009 I believe.

It alternated between a 738 and MD-88 before the "end". I took a 738 on the morning CMH-CVG in February 2009, just before they ended mainline for the last time and switched it to a CR7.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: steeler83
Posted 2012-12-26 17:01:05 and read 3984 times.

Quoting zrs70 (Thread starter):
Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 57):
PIT was a substantial UA operation for many years, inherited from the 1961 Capital merger.

Thanks for the info on that. I never even heard of Capital. I always thought US (Allegheny) ran the show at PIT with TWA in its shadows. I know that UA actually had a bonafide hub at CLE that was closed somewhere around 1985 or '86. Did they eventually consolidate operations at CLE?

Given that, it's kinda funny to think CLE is a UA hub -- again. Granted it's a regional jet haven, but it's still a hub that appears to be holding its own...

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-26 17:14:40 and read 3972 times.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 89):
I never even heard of Capital. I always thought US (Allegheny) ran the show at PIT with TWA in its shadows. I know that UA actually had a bonafide hub at CLE that was closed somewhere around 1985 or '86.

UA's CLE hub was also inherted from the merger with Capital. Before deregulation, if you wanted to fly from ORD to Florida or ATL on UA you had to connect at either CLE or PIT, using the former Capital route authority. In those days the only carriers with nonstop traffic rights from Chicago to Florida and other points in the southeast U.S. were Delta, Northwest and Eastern.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: mayor
Posted 2012-12-26 17:18:32 and read 3958 times.

Quoting gsoflyer (Reply 84):
Delta used to have wide bodies into GSO from Atlanta, more than a decade ago.

I don't remember that. That's quite a step up, from being a DC-9 only city to widebodies.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: FlyPeoria
Posted 2012-12-26 18:39:21 and read 3892 times.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 86):
Don't think I saw it covered above but, according to the 7-1-83 OAG, DAY also saw L-1011 service from DL, DL 1029 arriving at 8:35pm from...wait for it...

In the summer of 1986, TWA used a 767 on on its DAY-STL-LAX route. Then from 11/24/86 thru 1/6/87, it used in L-1011.

On 1/7/87, flight became an MD-80 and the through service to LAX ended.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: PITrules
Posted 2012-12-26 19:27:39 and read 3855 times.

Some pics of TWA widebodies at DAY

http://public.fotki.com/Rollie08/aviation/by_air/hpqscan9.html#media

http://public.fotki.com/Rollie08/aviation/by_air/scan0012.html#media

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: FI642
Posted 2012-12-26 20:35:24 and read 3777 times.

Quoting thekennady (Reply 6):

NW Operated DC10s MSP-MKE for years, then switched to 753 but after the meger not even a 752.

Ha! I was in DTW when a DC-10 to MKE (FULL) CXLD. I was on a pass home (the same day that NW had
an A340 borrowed for Airbus flying around), I ran. Imagine a DC-10 going tech. What do you do with that many
passengers?

The first NW DC-10-40 I ever saw was an IAD diversion. I was fascinated by them.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: gsoflyer
Posted 2012-12-27 11:44:15 and read 3403 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 91):
I don't remember that. That's quite a step up, from being a DC-9 only city to widebodies.

Shoot, and the DC-9 and stuff is recently too, there were years that it was all RJ. I think it was the late 90s. I remember being on a number of 757 and 767 into GSO from Atlanta most Sunday nights. Most other flights at the time were 727 except to CVG which was typically narrow body and RJ and Orlando was all RJ. I seem to recall that the wide-bodies were all the late night flights, first flight out the next day.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: WA707atMSP
Posted 2012-12-27 12:09:01 and read 3363 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 80):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 78):
And that dated back to Western. In the old terminals, there was a single jetway, and it served Western and then Delta.

Only the route and/or service goes back to WA. I don't believe that WA ever operated DC-10s into ONT and I know they never had any 767s. That was all DL.

You are correct, Mayor. The DL extension to the ONT terminal opened in 1985/86, before the WA merger. The DL gate area was at ground level, and passengers zig zagged up a four level ramp, with switchbacks, to get to the jetway.

Quoting HAWAIIAN932 (Reply 31):
I lived in Palm Springs from 1983 to 1993 and American used to bring a DC-10 into PSP from DFW

My first widebody flight (and the first flight I can remember; I was six years old at the time) was in 1974, on AA 66 PSP-PHX-ORD-DTW. AA 66 originated in LAX; I can still clearly remember the DC-10 landing at PSP on the inbound flight from LAX, with the Santa Rosa mountains in the background.

PSP has the prettiest airport in the country; it would be great if AA or another airline resumed widebody flights there someday.....

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: AVLAirlineFreq
Posted 2012-12-27 12:21:27 and read 3344 times.

It would almost be just as interesting to identify the largest US airports that have never had widebody service. In light of this thread, it might be just as surprising.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: stlgph
Posted 2012-12-27 13:31:40 and read 3282 times.

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 20):

And there's the former L1011 routes on ATA.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: mayor
Posted 2012-12-27 20:06:43 and read 3068 times.

Quoting gsoflyer (Reply 95):
Shoot, and the DC-9 and stuff is recently too, there were years that it was all RJ. I think it was the late 90s. I remember being on a number of 757 and 767 into GSO from Atlanta most Sunday nights. Most other flights at the time were 727 except to CVG which was typically narrow body and RJ and Orlando was all RJ. I seem to recall that the wide-bodies were all the late night flights, first flight out the next day.

When I worked at ORD for DL in the 70s, the only type of a/c that GSO (and RDU, for that matter) had were DC-9s....-14s at first and then -32s. As I recall, for part of that time, the ONLY way to get to GSO and RDU on DL was via ORD.

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: Q
Posted 2012-12-27 21:00:20 and read 2993 times.

ATL-OMA-SEA/PDX Eastern L-1011.

ATL-CAE Delta L-1011

ATL-TYS Delta L-1011

ATL-PIT Delta L-1011

Q

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: FlyPeoria
Posted 2012-12-27 22:37:27 and read 2916 times.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 93):
Some pics of TWA widebodies at DAY

http://public.fotki.com/Rollie08/aviation/by_air/hpqscan9.html#media

http://public.fotki.com/Rollie08/avi...media

Thanks for the link! That L-1011 looks out of place taxiing past DAY's South Concourse before the second level was added!

...And that TWA 747 was on some publicity tour, correct?

Topic: RE: When Smaller US Airports Had Wide Bodies...
Username: PITrules
Posted 2012-12-27 22:46:00 and read 2907 times.

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 101):
..And that TWA 747 was on some publicity tour, correct?

I really don't know. It sounds unusual to operate scheduled 747s to DAY, but then the same can be said for an L-1011. Having said that, 747 publicity flights were common when the aircraft first appeared. I know United sent one to RIC for such a purpose.

[Edited 2012-12-27 22:50:30]


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