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Topic: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Wilco737
Posted 2012-12-13 03:24:54 and read 78664 times.

Part 3 got a little long, so here is part 4 now.

Enjoy.

Link to part 3:

New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 3 (by SA7700 Nov 17 2012 in Civil Aviation)

wilco737
  

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: jonnyclark
Posted 2012-12-13 04:26:14 and read 78650 times.

...one of the longest threads... and most anticipated liveries of the last decade I think...

... get ready for a HUGE anticlimax.  

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: N737AA
Posted 2012-12-13 06:30:40 and read 78053 times.

Quoting Delta1011man (Reply 254):
Also, IIRC, for employee bidding DWH is its own base. So AA has DWH separate from DFW.

Yes it is considered a Main Base and has its own bid seperate from DFW ( and TUL, the other Main Base). Most AFW folks are biding there with the closing of AFW.

N737AA

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: lostsound
Posted 2012-12-13 08:27:17 and read 77526 times.

Maybe the re-brand will be a New Years reveal! That'd be great for marketing.

New Year, New American  

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: TSS
Posted 2012-12-13 09:34:20 and read 77051 times.

Quoting jonnyclark (Reply 1):
... get ready for a HUGE anticlimax.

Yep, that's pretty much what I'm expecting: A chance to bring a little more beauty into the world squandered with a magnificent symphony of drab.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: PI734
Posted 2012-12-13 10:52:18 and read 74929 times.

Possibly for an announcement for a "possible" merger?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: flyfree727
Posted 2012-12-13 10:52:49 and read 74929 times.

Quoting jonnyclark (Reply 1):
... get ready for a HUGE anticlimax.
Quoting TSS (Reply 6):
Yep, that's pretty much what I'm expecting: A chance to bring a little more beauty into the world squandered with a magnificent symphony of drab.

As I stated in a very early post in THREAD 1, one thing is for sure, half will love it and half will hate it.
Accept that and move on.

AA ORD

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-13 10:59:55 and read 74812 times.

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 9):
half will love it and half will hate it.
Accept that and move on.

  

What we do know now, is that the second AA 77W, N718AN, is painted the same way as the first. So that pretty much says a new livery is on the way.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: cytz_pilot
Posted 2012-12-13 12:39:04 and read 72173 times.

Quoting lostsound (Reply 5):
Maybe the re-brand will be a New Years reveal! That'd be great for marketing.

Maybe they'll hold off until April 1st, so if everyone hates it, they can say, 'uh, just kidding!' and get back to the drawing board.  

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: capri
Posted 2012-12-13 12:40:13 and read 72077 times.

They are still waiting the outcome of Dec21st before they decide should they go ahead or not? Waiting for AA livery it's more of an apocalypse of its own. I hope they come out with something outstanding

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: PDX88
Posted 2012-12-13 12:51:40 and read 71824 times.

Will 7LB receive its final coat of paint in PAE or PDX?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: 777STL
Posted 2012-12-13 14:17:32 and read 69813 times.

That picture of 7LA with the 738 in the previous doesn't appear to be taken at KPAE, more like KDFW. You can see the nose of a third AA aircraft on the far right hand side of the picture.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: brilondon
Posted 2012-12-13 14:55:12 and read 68912 times.

Quoting jonnyclark (Reply 1):
...one of the longest threads... and most anticipated liveries of the last decade I think...

... get ready for a HUGE anticlimax.  

I am still thinking that AA "new livery" is going to be similar to the present one with a new tail logo.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Wingtips56
Posted 2012-12-13 15:04:38 and read 68676 times.

Then again, AA could opt to roll the first ones out in "oneworld" livery, to get them into service while other factors may leave the permanent livery uncertain.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-13 15:06:47 and read 68720 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
Quoting jonnyclark (Reply 1):
...one of the longest threads... and most anticipated liveries of the last decade I think...

Well this livery dates to the 70s so who is surprised?

It dates to the 1960s.

This 720B (N7528A) was the first AA aircraft in the current livery. Still experimental when this August 1968 photo was taken at LAX, but the only significant change to the final version was the addition of the eagle logo on the tail.

http://jonproctor.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/720-023B-N7528A-no-eagle-868-Bob-Proctor-860x503.jpg

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: 777STL
Posted 2012-12-13 15:18:52 and read 68327 times.

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 17):
Then again, AA could opt to roll the first ones out in "oneworld" livery, to get them into service while other factors may leave the permanent livery uncertain.

AA has never had multiple aircraft of a type in the OW livery at the same time. My guess is this is the new livery. The fact that the first two 77Ws have the same scheme suggests it's not a one off or special livery.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: LONGisland89
Posted 2012-12-13 15:26:06 and read 68138 times.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 19):
AA has never had multiple aircraft of a type in the OW livery at the same time.
AA has two 77Es in the OW livery.

Posted 2012-12-13 17:40:05 and read 65761 times.

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 20):
AA has two 77Es in the OW livery.

So two is enough.. plus thinking about it why would they talk about introducing a new color scheme and then use that inane one world scheme on the first two a/c? that would give this thread another 3 months of life.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: IMissPiedmont
Posted 2012-12-13 18:05:44 and read 65344 times.

I'm a bit surprised so many people are judging before they see it. I like the livery they have now bit of cleanup and brightening won't hurt.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: C133
Posted 2012-12-13 19:15:53 and read 64225 times.

That 720 as pictured was a revised version of the original, which did not have the white outline around the letters. It was REALLY ugly; outlining made a huge difference against the aluminum.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: jsnww81
Posted 2012-12-13 19:49:56 and read 63649 times.

Quoting C133 (Reply 23):
That 720 as pictured was a revised version of the original, which did not have the white outline around the letters. It was REALLY ugly; outlining made a huge difference against the aluminum.

There was an also an experimental version which had the "AA" on the tail (no eagle) and only a red and blue stripe on the fuselage. There's a photo of it in one of George Cearley's books - it looks horrible. All of the original plans in 1968 called for a simple "AA" on the tail, and it was only after employees mounted a "Save the Eagle" campaign that the current stylized version was added between the two letters.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: laxboeingman
Posted 2012-12-13 21:22:29 and read 62426 times.

Do we have any idea as to when an announcement will be made?

Thank you in advance.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: pilotanthony
Posted 2012-12-13 22:21:33 and read 61751 times.

cant wait for the release of the new livery if there is one!

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: N737AA
Posted 2012-12-14 05:15:26 and read 58834 times.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 15):
AA has never had multiple aircraft of a type in the OW livery at the same time. My guess is this is the new livery. The fact that the first two 77Ws have the same scheme suggests it's not a one off or special livery.
Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 16):
AA has two 77Es in the OW livery.

Yes, 7AY and 7BE

N737AA

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: CapEd388
Posted 2012-12-16 01:35:36 and read 57569 times.

What I would like to know is if we will get to see some MD80s in the new livery. My opinion is yes as I feel that it is going to take 5-8(max?) years to phase them all out. I think they might paint a few MD80s in the new livery, those MD80s that they plan to retire last.

What do you guys think?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: garpd
Posted 2012-12-16 04:21:03 and read 58055 times.

Quoting CapEd388 (Reply 24):

What do you guys think?

My guess is no.
If the MD-80s are to be phased out, they're not going to pull them out of service for painting. They'll probably continue in the current livery until they or withdrawn from service.

Unless of course some of the MDs are due for a C or D check and AA decide to put them through and keep them in the fleet thereafter, it would be logical to paint them in the new livery at that point.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: CF-CPI
Posted 2012-12-16 16:03:20 and read 57471 times.

Quoting C133 (Reply 19):
That 720 as pictured was a revised version of the original, which did not have the white outline around the letters. It was REALLY ugly; outlining made a huge difference against the aluminum.

I didn't know about this detail, but I'd swear I also saw a 720B wear a different test scheme: painted white with only blue and red stripes (no white separating them). The lettering was the same. The pic was black and white, and it would be great if someone can find a color one. I had the impression it was around 1969, so they must have been tinkering with things. Regarding the pic of the silver 720B in August 1968, I really had no idea that they were experimenting as far back as 1968.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: C133
Posted 2012-12-17 19:55:30 and read 57407 times.

Thanks, jsnww81, I had forgotten about the "2 stripe" version, but found it easily in the Cearley book. When we taxied onto the ramp at SAN one night in the 720 wearing an early version of the scheme, the rampers all reacted by holding their noses. And they were right, but it got better.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-17 20:30:00 and read 57311 times.

Someone told me yesterday that the second 77W was to be ferried to AFW for painting soon? Rumor, but what's the possibility behind it?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-18 06:57:44 and read 56404 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):
Someone told me yesterday that the second 77W was to be ferried to AFW for painting soon?

It already has the same base paint scheme that the first one has, so I would expect both just need the final touches (logos, titles and any cheatlines).

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: JoePatroni707
Posted 2012-12-18 07:13:07 and read 56451 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):
Someone told me yesterday that the second 77W was to be ferried to AFW for painting soon? Rumor, but what's the possibility behind

Second ship 7LB is due for delivery tomorrow to Dallas. AFIK still grey and white like 7LA. AFW is closed now, so I doubt it will be painted there

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2012-12-18 08:48:30 and read 55985 times.

I find the AA scheme refreshingly stable. There aren't too many new logos and paint schemes which were an improvement over the previous ones.

With it's current livery, AA stands out from the rest of the crowd.

Just because it's old, doesn't mean it's bad. You don't change a monument because it gets old, do you?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-18 10:51:13 and read 55612 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 29):
It already has the same base paint scheme that the first one has, so I would expect both just need the final touches (logos, titles and any cheatlines).

I meant as in a livery but since AFW is closed I guess not.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: american 767
Posted 2012-12-18 21:02:46 and read 54710 times.

Quoting garpd (Reply 25):
My guess is no.

My guess is yes. Out of 200 (more or less) MD-80s left, I'm sure that at least one will wear the new livery. Sure it will take years to repaint the whole fleet but by the time the last few MD-80s left are about to leave the fleet, most of the fleet if not all of it will already be repainted.

Same with the 757, out of 100 (more or less) 757s left at least one will wear the new livery.

Same with the 767-200, out of 15 left at least one will wear the new livery.

If not one of each, definitely at least one of one of the three types will wear the new livery.

Look at TWA they repainted one L-1011 in their last livery back in 1996.
Look at Lufthansa they repainted one 727 back in the early 90s.
Look at Air France they repainted one 707 in the then new bar code livery back in the late 70s.
Look at Pan Am they repainted one 747SP (out of 11 they had) in the billboard scheme back in 1985.

Ben Soriano

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: PRAirbus
Posted 2012-12-19 06:16:50 and read 53962 times.

Anyone heard any rumors of when the new livery will be launched???? Any guesses????? I'd say after New Year's.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: delimit
Posted 2012-12-19 10:36:05 and read 53483 times.

Quoting jonnyclark (Reply 1):
get ready for a HUGE anticlimax.

Hopefully less.so than the "new" UA logo.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: lostsound
Posted 2012-12-19 10:42:58 and read 53449 times.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 35):

My guess is January 1st. That's probably to obvious of a date for that to be true but it's the only guess I have haha. A New Years reveal would be great for advertising.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: PDX88
Posted 2012-12-19 14:11:31 and read 53008 times.

7LB is currently enroute from PAE-DFW (AA 9704). I wonder if they will paint and unveil both 77Ws at the same time.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: brilondon
Posted 2012-12-19 15:08:16 and read 52741 times.

Have they made it known when the official unveiling of the aircraft is going to be done?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2012-12-19 15:19:10 and read 52612 times.

I just wish they would hurry up!

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: jetMarc
Posted 2012-12-19 15:24:39 and read 53234 times.

Noticed AA also has a new safety card design similar to the new kiosks as seen in dc9northwest's recent trip report... wonder if this is another hint...

SFO-JFK On AA, 762, And LGA-MDW On WN, 738

Picture here:

[Edited 2012-12-19 15:26:27]

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: brilondon
Posted 2012-12-19 15:38:19 and read 52564 times.

Quoting jetMarc (Reply 41):
Noticed AA also has a new safety card design similar to the new kiosks as seen in dc9northwest's recent trip report... wonder if this is another hint...

The graphics look the the same with the name, I am not convinced that there is going to be any ground breaking here maybe just a modification to take into account the material the aircraft are made of.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: jalapeno
Posted 2012-12-19 16:13:41 and read 52424 times.

AA 9704 Just landed. Any one have pics yet?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-12-19 16:28:39 and read 52519 times.

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 25):

Only here do we have 4 threads totaling over 800 posts on something that doesn't truely exist yet.

DUDE. It's AA. And they're CHANGING their LIVERY! It's a big deal! The livery was introduced on the 707. It's the oldest livery on any airline AFAIK and it's changing!

Quoting brilondon (Reply 42):

The graphics look the the same with the name, I am not convinced that there is going to be any ground breaking here maybe just a modification to take into account the material the aircraft are made of.

They will keep the Helvetica font and the Red/White/Blue branding. I do suspect that the new livery will be a significant change.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: CapEd388
Posted 2012-12-19 16:42:55 and read 52528 times.

I was looking at the presentation that Horton gave to the APA last Thursday.

Theres one slide on their brand (slide 26) and I found two things that are very subtle, but may give small insight to what their new brand is:

1. "We have an iconic brand that our customers love...However, our competitors are not standing still and neither can we."

2. "This is a symbol of change, not simply a change of symbol"


Heres the presentation if you guys wanna take a look at it:

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/f...esentation-to-APA-Dec.-13-2012.pdf

[Edited 2012-12-19 16:45:16]

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-19 16:52:52 and read 52202 times.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 34):
Look at Air France they repainted one 707 in the then new bar code livery back in the late 70s

Far more than one. The A.net database includes photos of at least 16 AF 707s in that livery, including both passenger aircraft and freighters.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: rj777
Posted 2012-12-19 21:12:25 and read 51691 times.

"A symbol of change, not just a CHANGE OF SYMBOL." I don't know. To me that suggests a whole new corporate logo.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: BOACCunard
Posted 2012-12-19 22:22:13 and read 51463 times.

Quoting jetMarc (Reply 40):
Noticed AA also has a new safety card design similar to the new kiosks as seen in dc9northwest's recent trip report... wonder if this is another hint...

If this is consistent with AA's new branding, then it's disappointing. I really dislike the reflection on the text.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: dtw757
Posted 2012-12-20 05:20:12 and read 51548 times.

A quick search of the internet for american airlines rebranding brings up this. I don't know what it is or who did it but someone put a lot of work into it. I have to say I sort of like it with the exception of the livery.

http://www.behance.net/gallery/American-Airlines-Rebranding-Project/3739785

[Edited 2012-12-20 05:21:15]

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: ZSOFN
Posted 2012-12-20 05:52:08 and read 51019 times.

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 48):
A quick search of the internet for american airlines rebranding brings up this. I don't know what it is or who did it but someone put a lot of work into it. I have to say I sort of like it with the exception of the livery.

The branding looks excellent - I love it. Like you say, the livery definitely needs some work though (plus it's a very poor "rendering").

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: HermansCVR580
Posted 2012-12-20 05:57:30 and read 51216 times.

I like the Art Deco retro look to it, but actual planes look terrible. I'm sorry but you need more than just white and grey. I say if your going to go for a Art Deco look which is fine it worked for Chrysler then go for a bolder looking eagle. Heck use the Chrysler building for an example and build on that if that is the look AA wants to go with. Just add more color to it.

Use this for an example.

http://www.nytstore.com/Workmen-Atop...rysler-Building--1940s_p_5080.html

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: CX Flyboy
Posted 2012-12-20 06:17:32 and read 50917 times.

Is that scheme for real? Looks like a rip-off of the preious JAL scheme.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Darksnowynight
Posted 2012-12-20 06:43:44 and read 50973 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 32):

I meant as in a livery but since AFW is closed I guess not.

They haven't closed AFW yet. In any case, the DFW area paint shop is actually over at FTW, IIRC. I haven't heard of any paint facilities at AFW.

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 48):

I think that would be a great livery, though they could take some of the weight out of that font. Yes, I know that's not the one they're going with, just sayin...

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: lostsound
Posted 2012-12-20 06:47:19 and read 51451 times.

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 51):

Is that scheme for real? Looks like a rip-off of the preious JAL scheme.

No, it's just a branding project by a random designer. It has nothing to do with the actual re-branding of AA.  

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-20 06:51:03 and read 51436 times.

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 51):
Is that scheme for real?

Not unless AA has an unannounced order for the A340 and A380...  

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Braybuddy
Posted 2012-12-20 07:17:13 and read 50873 times.

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 48):
A quick search of the internet for american airlines rebranding brings up this. I don't know what it is or who did it but someone put a lot of work into it. I have to say I sort of like it with the exception of the livery.

I like it! Looks VERY smart, pity it's only a project.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: WALmsp
Posted 2012-12-20 08:11:49 and read 50512 times.

I liked the concept until I saw it in greyscale on a plane, at which point I became greatly relieved that this is not the official design.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: EaglePower83
Posted 2012-12-20 08:18:55 and read 50543 times.

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 48):
A quick search of the internet for american airlines rebranding brings up this. I don't know what it is or who did it but someone put a lot of work into it. I have to say I sort of like it with the exception of the livery.

http://www.behance.net/gallery/Ameri...39785

WOW, I'm actually impressed. This is my favorite "fun" rendering out there.

Only critisim I have is, yes again, the livery could be a bit more.
And I like the idea of the whole phrase "American Airlines" on ad/print material.
Just "American" is fine for the fusilage.

Impressive job. I love the nostalgic/deco feel.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: A388
Posted 2012-12-20 08:33:43 and read 50364 times.

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 51):
Is that scheme for real? Looks like a rip-off of the preious JAL scheme.

I also don't see how this rendering is soo excellent as it is a 1-on-1 JAL copy. Nothing inspiring about it unfortunately.

A388

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-20 11:42:58 and read 49871 times.

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 52):
They haven't closed AFW yet. In any case, the DFW area paint shop is actually over at FTW, IIRC. I haven't heard of any paint facilities at AFW.

Maaaaaybe it was that, they said they were going to fly it to FTW very soon. Or something.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2012-12-20 12:01:13 and read 49739 times.

Quoting jetMarc (Reply 40):

Noticed AA also has a new safety card design similar to the new kiosks as seen in dc9northwest's recent trip report... wonder if this is another hint...

I'm trying to sort out in my mind how this design equates to reports that AA is going for a "retro" look for their new livery. Doesn't seem consistent.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: spacecadet
Posted 2012-12-20 18:47:04 and read 48881 times.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 60):
I'm trying to sort out in my mind how this design equates to reports that AA is going for a "retro" look for their new livery. Doesn't seem consistent.

"Retro" probably doesn't mean what you think it means. Their current livery is retro by almost any modern standard - window belt cheat lines went out in the 1980's, as did the bare metal look (whether you like it or not, not many other airlines still feature that look, whereas many did in the past). If the new livery draws *at all* upon the current livery - say, by incorporating a "wavy" cheat line like we've heard - that's a "retro" element.

No new livery is going to be a straight reproduction of a 50 year old livery - whatever you're hearing about it being "retro", that's not what it means. It may take some elements from past liveries and combine them with a more modern appearance.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: aacun
Posted 2012-12-20 19:17:44 and read 48801 times.

Rumors are sooooo strong out there about the new uniforms as well

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: YXwatcherMKE
Posted 2012-12-20 21:19:41 and read 48528 times.

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 48):
A quick search of the internet for american airlines rebranding brings up this. I don't know what it is or who did it but someone put a lot of work into it. I have to say I sort of like it with the exception of the livery.

http://www.behance.net/gallery/Ameri...irlines-Rebranding-Project/3739785

I really hope that this is not anywhere near the new livery. The logo is ok, but Why in the world do you go with a basic white A/C? It will get lost in a snow storm and it way to bland A/C. It will not stand out in the crowd. If you want the A/C to stand out you need color to the A/C like WN. Some of the other "fun" liveries I have seen on the previous threads are far better Liveries than this one. I guess we will learn what AA management went with soon. Lets hope they livery is a good one.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: davidho1985
Posted 2012-12-20 21:31:48 and read 48456 times.

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 51):
Is that scheme for real? Looks like a rip-off of the preious JAL scheme.

really match the semi-painted 77W we see

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: UK_Dispatcher
Posted 2012-12-20 21:50:48 and read 48407 times.

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 48):
A quick search of the internet for american airlines rebranding brings up this. I don't know what it is or who did it but someone put a lot of work into it. I have to say I sort of like it with the exception of the livery.

I also like the branding, but the livery is awful. If they could incorporate the overall branding and colours into the livery, it would help a lot.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2012-12-21 06:42:46 and read 47894 times.

Quoting aacun (Reply 62):

And the latest rumor on new uniforms is charcoal gray. That would be a welcome departure too, IMHO.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: catdaddy63
Posted 2012-12-21 14:06:52 and read 47341 times.

It looks like AA's third 77W is headed to PDX for paint over the holidays:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE303

Could she come out in the full, complete, new livery?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: spacecadet
Posted 2012-12-21 14:13:25 and read 47090 times.

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 63):
I really hope that this is not anywhere near the new livery. The logo is ok, but Why in the world do you go with a basic white A/C?

Because this was made by some guy trying to put together a design portfolio who obviously doesn't know anything about airline liveries.

People are focusing so much on this, but this is no different than any of the other designs people posted in other threads. It's got nothing to do with AA, so there's nothing to get bent out of shape about.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: aacun
Posted 2012-12-21 16:08:41 and read 46649 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 66):

Yeap, thats What Ive heard as well.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: JFKman
Posted 2012-12-21 17:57:42 and read 46298 times.

I really hope the paint job is nice..... but I am sad to see the old one go. :/

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: dtw757
Posted 2012-12-21 18:01:54 and read 46330 times.

Quoting catdaddy63 (Reply 67):

It looks like AA's third 77W is headed to PDX for paint over the holidays

How do we know this was AA's plane? What paint did it have leaving PAE? Are there pics?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: american 767
Posted 2012-12-21 21:22:04 and read 45889 times.

Quoting JFKman (Reply 70):
I really hope the paint job is nice

I hope so too. I think it's gonna be nice. It looks like it will consist of a grey background with a white tail where the white will be extending down, like Qantas is doing with the red on the white. But still I wouldn't bet anything on what it will be exactly.

Quoting JFKman (Reply 70):
but I am sad to see the old one go. :/

Even if the new scheme is introduced now, there will still be a few planes painted in the current (soon to be old) scheme in three or even four years from now. Yes I understand how you feel, I know those emotions. I will feel a bit sad too when the soon to be old scheme will gradually be leaving. I remember when United introduced its blue and gray livery in 1993. Four years later, in 1997, I spotted a few United planes that were still wearing the Saul Bass rainbow scheme.

Ben Soriano

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: jalapeno
Posted 2012-12-22 07:08:37 and read 45454 times.

Ok - friend of the family was in town last night, she's an FA being trained on the new 777 DFW - GRU route. When asked about the new livery, she QUICKLY responded without hesitation:

"They're waiting on the merger."

She went on to say she knows of two livery options (I assume one post merger and another if no merger occurs). She knew of one option containing mostly GREY and TEAL but knew nothing of the second option.

She mentioned the grey and teal as being a completely NEW BRAND, as if it would be a new brand emerging post merger.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: blink182
Posted 2012-12-22 07:22:10 and read 45273 times.

Quoting jalapeno (Reply 73):
"They're waiting on the merger."

That would mean though that this merger, presumably with US, would be official and receive US gov't approval in the next month just before the 77W enters service. Seems a bit far fetched to me. Maybe the livery has been designed to be quickly adapted if a merger happens, but something has to be painted on that fuselage in the next month.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: flyfree727
Posted 2012-12-22 08:20:03 and read 45171 times.

Quoting jalapeno (Reply 73):
They're waiting on the merger."
Quoting jalapeno (Reply 73):
She mentioned the grey and teal as being a completely NEW BRAND, as if it would be a new brand emerging post merger

As a FA who as also been trained on the 777-300 ( not that it matters), this is like the telephone game. There has been NO internal communications about the livery , except from VP of inflight, who only commented "its real pretty." The greyl/teal mention has been referred to as the colors of the new uniform, again, all speculation, as nothing has been confirmed.

AA ORD

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: AA94
Posted 2012-12-22 08:56:11 and read 45193 times.

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 75):
As a FA who as also been trained on the 777-300 ( not that it matters), this is like the telephone game. There has been NO internal communications about the livery , except from VP of inflight, who only commented "its real pretty." The greyl/teal mention has been referred to as the colors of the new uniform, again, all speculation, as nothing has been confirmed.

  

Agreed. No offense to any airline employees out there, but often employees are unreliable sources because they just pass along what they hear from other employees, who got their information from another group of employees. The end message and the initial message are likely very unlike each other.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: cruiseshipcrew
Posted 2012-12-22 09:10:41 and read 45117 times.

Quoting jetMarc (Reply 40):
Noticed AA also has a new safety card design similar to the new kiosks as seen in dc9northwest's recent trip report... wonder if this is another hint...
Quoting brilondon (Reply 41):
The graphics look the the same with the name, I am not convinced that there is going to be any ground breaking here maybe just a modification to take into account the material the aircraft are made of.
Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 47):

If this is consistent with AA's new branding, then it's disappointing. I really dislike the reflection on the text.
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 60):
I'm trying to sort out in my mind how this design equates to reports that AA is going for a "retro" look for their new livery. Doesn't seem consistent.

This safety card design has been out for at least 8 months now on the 737s. I wouldn't think too much into it as the new branding.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2012-12-22 09:12:49 and read 45121 times.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 72):
I remember when United introduced its blue and gray livery in 1993. Four years later, in 1997, I spotted a few United planes that were still wearing the Saul Bass rainbow scheme.

In fact, in March 1997, I flew on a Saul Bass rainbow 757 ORD-SNA. It was pretty weird, though, as virtually every other UA plane at ORD T1 was battleship grey.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-22 13:11:10 and read 44511 times.

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 71):
How do we know this was AA's plane? What paint did it have leaving PAE? Are there pics?

It had an AA flight number. It was painted gray. There's a photo of it landing at DFW in one of the previous parts of this thread.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: dtw757
Posted 2012-12-22 13:59:26 and read 44318 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 79):
It had an AA flight number. It was painted gray. There's a photo of it landing at DFW in one of the previous parts of this thread.

That's not the airplane I am talking about. It was mentioned earlier that AA's 3rd 77W supposedly left KPAE for KPDX for painting and I asked how we know it was AA's airplane, it had a Boeing flight number. American's first two are currently at DFW and painted in the gray scheme. Why would the third leave the factory and fly to PDX while the other two sit at DFW?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-22 14:00:39 and read 44335 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 79):
It had an AA flight number. It was painted gray. There's a photo of it landing at DFW in one of the previous parts of this thread.

He is talking about the one that flew to PDX (N719AN) for painting.

Quoting catdaddy63 (Reply 67):

It looks like AA's third 77W is headed to PDX for paint over the holidays:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE303

Could she come out in the full, complete, new livery?

I think Boeing will just apply the grey/white layer like N717AN and N718AN at PDX.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-22 14:09:06 and read 44298 times.

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 80):
Why would the third leave the factory and fly to PDX while the other two sit at DFW?

Because some 777 aircraft are painted at PDX. The grey base-livery requires a paint job and it can be done at PAE or PDX.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-22 14:17:35 and read 44232 times.

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 80):
Why would the third leave the factory and fly to PDX while the other two sit at DFW?

If the 777 paint shop at KPAE is full, Boeing flies planes to KPDX to paint them there.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: dtw757
Posted 2012-12-22 14:41:53 and read 44306 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 81):
He is talking about the one that flew to PDX (N719AN) for painting.

That's what I am saying? How do we know it was N719AN?

Nevermind, I answered my own question with this photo.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/8296121236/lightbox/

[Edited 2012-12-22 14:51:28]

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: garpd
Posted 2012-12-23 04:52:01 and read 43211 times.

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 48):
A quick search of the internet for american airlines rebranding brings up this. I don't know what it is or who did it but someone put a lot of work into it. I have to say I sort of like it with the exception of the livery.

http://www.behance.net/gallery/Ameri...39785

Looked quite good until I saw the livery mock up on an A380. What a poorly executed design!

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: A388
Posted 2012-12-23 05:14:05 and read 43541 times.

These AA 77W's must be the most closely followed aircraft before it enters service. I can imagine why though...   

A388

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: PDX88
Posted 2012-12-23 22:55:40 and read 42110 times.

Got a decent look at N719AN this evening. Still naked, sitting outside of the Boeing paint hangar at this time.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: CapEd388
Posted 2012-12-23 23:59:25 and read 41917 times.

Does anyone know if AMR will also receive a brand upgrade?

Maybe new branding that will resemble American's new branding?

I have never liked AMR's logo, it looks pretty generic. Like something that someone did on Powerpoint in a matter of minutes.

[Edited 2012-12-24 00:13:06]

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Polot
Posted 2012-12-24 05:44:11 and read 41433 times.

Quoting CapEd388 (Reply 88):
Does anyone know if AMR will also receive a brand upgrade?

I'm sure it will receive a small update if the logo changes but other than that I wouldn't expect much. It looks pretty generic because it is primarily just a holding company; it doesn't have much of a public face so it makes little sense wasting money on branding for it.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Drmlnr1
Posted 2012-12-24 07:27:11 and read 41135 times.

AA will be more than competitive when they emerge from ch 11. AA's rebranding comes at a very good opportunity to show the flying public that they are more than just another airline, they are a leader. I can't wait to see what they roll out.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: superjeff
Posted 2012-12-24 08:46:17 and read 40854 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 79):
Quoting dtw757 (Reply 71):
How do we know this was AA's plane? What paint did it have leaving PAE? Are there pics?


It had an AA flight number. It was painted gray. There's a photo of it landing at DFW in one of the previous parts of this thread.

Not to mention that it is parked at AFW by the fence. Gray fuselage with the white tail painted down across the fuselage a la QANTAS.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-12-24 16:16:36 and read 39453 times.

Quoting jalapeno (Reply 73):

Ok - friend of the family was in town last night, she's an FA being trained on the new 777 DFW - GRU route. When asked about the new livery, she QUICKLY responded without hesitation:

"They're waiting on the merger."

She went on to say she knows of two livery options (I assume one post merger and another if no merger occurs). She knew of one option containing mostly GREY and TEAL but knew nothing of the second option.

Again, this does not square with reality. Two 77W's have been painted in the new livery's base (or is it three now?) Those 77W's are scheduled for EIS at the end of January. Now, whether a merger happens or not or whether the decision is delayed, whether AA comes out of Ch. 11 by then or not, those airframes must go into service on their scheduled day. They are immensely expensive machines with high costs of ownership and they are going to be sucking money rather than making it if they do not go into service. The airline is not going to move the EIS, reschedule all the booked passengers, and allow the expensive airframes to sit around collecting dust and wasting money on account of branding.

Given that they are partially painted in the new livery, this suggests a deadline no later than one day prior to EIS to unveil the new brand. Hopefully, there can be other significant news (Merger, emergence from Ch. 11) before that deadline and the unveiling can be timed with it. But if EIS day comes, there is no choice but to unveil.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: FlyboyOz
Posted 2012-12-25 22:12:11 and read 38154 times.

Oh man.... we can't wait to see that new livery!!! Hopefully it will come out by early next year!!

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-12-25 22:24:36 and read 38203 times.

I'm really sick of these AA color scheme painted... We want to see the NEW color scheme now!


EK413

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: blink182
Posted 2012-12-26 05:28:35 and read 37506 times.

True, but this is a new aircraft AA has been hyping up like crazy, the highest capacity aircraft in the fleet, the company is emerging from bankruptcy etc. They aren't just going to slap some decals on a layover in GRU or DFW and call it a day. Given these circumstances and the fact that this would be the first major branding change for AA since 1969, I bet that AA is going to want a full media circus, air to air photo flight etc. Perhaps even a hub tour. AA has the aviation community's attention like they never have before with their bankruptcy and the rampant rumors of the new livery--from a PR perspective they would be wise to take full advantage of it before the aircraft enters service.

If we were talking about 738s I would fully agree.

[Edited 2012-12-30 10:34:15 by SA7700]

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: type-rated
Posted 2012-12-26 10:48:29 and read 36719 times.

And we still haven't seen any photos of the new livery. Has it really been painted as the title to this thread implies?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-26 11:11:09 and read 36977 times.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 110):
And we still haven't seen any photos of the new livery. Has it really been painted as the title to this thread implies?

Well this says quite alot for an AA aircraft if you ask me:

http://paineairport.com/kpae5737.htm

http://paineairport.com/kpae5738.htm

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: AA767400
Posted 2012-12-26 13:49:58 and read 36067 times.

Rumor I head was that the delay of these frames was not due to seat issues, but of different shades of color patterns in the cabin. The manufacturer's version of the color, was different from what was actually installed. The panels, trimmings, and the like did not match the seats, and overall color AA wanted. Apparently one, if not more of the 77Ws have their tail's done with a new logo, and covered up from prying eyes.

Supposedly, (And take this with a grain of salt) AA will unveil a new livery/and or merger first week of January. Also - The 7th is when they get actual FAA certification for the number of FA's that the 77W will have. What is minimum staffing, and what would be actual amount of FA's for service standards.

Of course this is from internal employees, so take it for what it is. Makes you wonder though - does AA know what the heck it's doing? Or do the just make it up as they go along? I mean, most of these things should have been certified, and verified way in advance.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: TSS
Posted 2012-12-26 17:09:41 and read 35466 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 112):
Well this says quite alot for an AA aircraft if you ask me:

http://paineairport.com/kpae5737.htm

Is there a watermark on that photo, or can one see a slight color variance suggesting a "swoosh" design in the white paint between the rearmost exit door and the horizontal stabilizer? If what I see isn't a photo watermark, I think it might be telling that the forward edges of the "swoosh" line up pretty well with where AA's current livery has it's cheatlines.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Polot
Posted 2012-12-26 17:33:18 and read 35315 times.

Quoting TSS (Reply 117):
Is there a watermark on that photo, or can one see a slight color variance suggesting a "swoosh" design in the white paint between the rearmost exit door and the horizontal stabilizer? If what I see isn't a photo watermark, I think it might be telling that the forward edges of the "swoosh" line up pretty well with where AA's current livery has it's cheatlines.

I think you are seeing the reflection of the runway, with the "swoosh" being from the thick white horizontal line below the tail of the plane.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: PictionaryMan
Posted 2012-12-27 04:58:42 and read 34545 times.

I just watched a video produced by AA and at the end, they had a 738 tail under wrap, my guess there is already an aircraft painted hiding someplace. Sorry, I can't find the link to the video at this moment ...

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: dtw757
Posted 2012-12-27 06:14:42 and read 34427 times.

All smoke and mirrors. The aircraft in that video appeared to be a 737. AA or any other airline can not afford to have a perfectly good airplane just sitting in a hanger somewhere until they are ready to roll out a new livery. An airplane that's not flying is an airplane that's not making money.

[Edited 2012-12-30 10:39:39 by SA7700]

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: ZSOFN
Posted 2012-12-28 00:04:15 and read 32782 times.

Quoting TSS (Reply 117):
Is there a watermark on that photo, or can one see a slight color variance suggesting a "swoosh" design in the white paint between the rearmost exit door and the horizontal stabilizer? If what I see isn't a photo watermark, I think it might be telling that the forward edges of the "swoosh" line up pretty well with where AA's current livery has it's cheatlines.

Looks like a reflection of the runway markings to me.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: TSS
Posted 2012-12-28 08:35:38 and read 32033 times.

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 127):
Looks like a reflection of the runway markings to me.

On third and fourth glances, it probably is. Still, that would be an interesting way to tie a new livery in with the cheatlines of the existing one.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: rj777
Posted 2012-12-28 14:22:08 and read 30847 times.

So they're going to introduce this new livery days if not weeks before the first flight? What are they waiting for?

[Edited 2012-12-30 10:46:12 by SA7700]

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: miaami
Posted 2012-12-28 16:19:30 and read 30799 times.

Ran across this ad for Citibank AAdvantage. Seems like it could be a clue to the new color scheme.

http://creditcards.citicards.com/usc...D=3E726714808942BABABD28CD5B3B862C

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: tonytifao
Posted 2012-12-28 16:50:05 and read 30527 times.

Quoting miaami (Reply 135):

I hope not  

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: iFlyLOTs
Posted 2012-12-28 17:26:03 and read 30253 times.

Okay I know we kind of covered this before, but chrome paint, could it work in small doses? like say they do the AA on the tail in a chrome paint, would that work?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: SPREE34
Posted 2012-12-28 17:31:00 and read 30206 times.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 137):
Okay I know we kind of covered this before, but chrome paint, could it work in small doses? like say they do the AA on the tail in a chrome paint, would that work?

I'd think they would have put the chrome paint on already. It wouldn't look much different than it does now.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: RedTailDTW
Posted 2012-12-28 17:56:58 and read 30120 times.

Quoting miaami (Reply 135):
Ran across this ad for Citibank AAdvantage. Seems like it could be a clue to the new color scheme.

Actually those cards have had that same color scheme for at least a few years, nothing new...I have the AAdvantage World Mastercard myself.


- Mason

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: pdxswa
Posted 2012-12-29 20:51:42 and read 29391 times.

N719AN taxiing on Echo taxiway.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untit...d=b24ce9d1efedcd412fe55b73055b0078

[Edited 2012-12-29 20:53:11]

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: rj777
Posted 2012-12-30 07:10:44 and read 28256 times.

How many of these planes total did AA order again? If it's a number in the single digits, they might have all of them before any of them are painted!

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-30 11:04:22 and read 27046 times.

Quoting rj777 (Reply 112):
How many of these planes total did AA order again?

They have 13 on order at the moment.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: BasilFawlty
Posted 2012-12-30 13:29:47 and read 26933 times.

Just for my information, after four topics and about 700 posts or so, all we have is a grey 77W and some 'naked' bare metal 77W's?     

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: JoeCanuck
Posted 2012-12-30 13:43:51 and read 26644 times.

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 114):
Just for my information, after four topics and about 700 posts or so, all we have is a grey 77W and some 'naked' bare metal 77W's?

But the speculating has been interesting and remarkably civil. Some good ideas have come from the discussions.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-30 13:48:46 and read 26621 times.

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 114):
Just for my information, after four topics and about 700 posts or so, all we have is a grey 77W and some 'naked' bare metal 77W's?

Actually 894 posts (including this one). Must set a record for the most posts in an A.net thread with zero concrete information on the subject being discussed.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-30 13:51:26 and read 26857 times.

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 114):
Just for my information, after four topics and about 700 posts or so, all we have is a grey 77W and some 'naked' bare metal 77W's?  :D     

Actually we have two grey-white 777s and one bare-metal (soon to be grey-white based on the tail). 

Seriously, we know a new color scheme is coming, so I guess we're still on target with the topic even if we don't really know what that new scheme will look like when complete.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: ouboy79
Posted 2012-12-30 16:10:07 and read 26222 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 117):
Seriously, we know a new color scheme is coming, so I guess we're still on target with the topic even if we don't really know what that new scheme will look like when complete.

It is some what amusing that this thread has gone through 4 lives now with nothing more to go on than a new base coat of paint instead of a polished fuselage.

Wake me when there is actually some color and logos applied. :-P

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-12-30 16:21:36 and read 26382 times.

Would it be safe to say AA new color scheme is the best kept secret of 2012...? 

Happy New Year everyone! All the best for 2013!

I'll return to this discussion when "New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 13 has commenced...

EK413

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-30 16:46:22 and read 26305 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 119):
I'll return to this discussion when "New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 13 has commenced...
"New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted...no, really. Honest! There are pictures in the database! I promise!"

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-30 17:26:45 and read 25979 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 117):
Seriously, we know a new color scheme is coming, so I guess we're still on target with the topic even if we don't really know what that new scheme will look like when complete.

At this point, with all the secrecy behind it, what's the point of speculating...or even continuing this thread? All we can do is wait for AA to drop it on us.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: rj777
Posted 2012-12-31 13:29:21 and read 24987 times.

Well, looks like whoever had the theory that an announcement or unveiling on New Year's eve was wrong.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-31 13:38:28 and read 25116 times.

Quoting rj777 (Reply 122):
Well, looks like whoever had the theory that an announcement or unveiling on New Year's eve was wrong.

Who said that?? If anything, it would be better to have an unveiling on New years day IMO...

On another note I noticed while browsing a flightsim website, that there are paints of the AA 77W, not of the current untitled grey scheme we know of but this one:

http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/zview.php?fid=170561&idx=0

[Edited 2012-12-31 13:41:05]

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-12-31 14:01:49 and read 24953 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 123):
On another note I noticed while browsing a flightsim website, that there are paints of the AA 77W, not of the current untitled grey scheme we know of but this one:

Can u just post them here? I can't access that site

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: aacun
Posted 2012-12-31 14:11:17 and read 24923 times.

I guess AA got what they wanted I had never (not even throughout the chapt 11 filing) seen the degree of passion most people are showing about AA. I guess I should say thanks..... I had no idea so many people cared so much about my company. In these days, keeping a secret of this magnitude is a real tough job. Lets look at this from a general point of view. Whether AA decides to keep the paint scheme and just slap paint on the airplane, or whether a new livery is unveiled, the PR department's job is almost nearly done. This topic is on its fouth part. They have been able to do what I thought could be impossible now a days, with all this technology we have at our finger tips. Its actually so refreshing to see that secrets can be kept. The year comes to an end. It has been a tough one for us at AA. Personally, I thank all the positive and of course the negative critisism that some people love splurging here on airliners. At the end of the day, this is what we love. We should be exiting bankruptcy soon God willing, and another chapter will begin. Just like it did at every other major carrier. It mightl be someone elses turn next.... Who knows, it may be our turn again!!! But we will all be here to put our two cents worth. I wish all of my fellow AA'ers all the best for the coming year. We have come a long way and we should be very proud of what WE have done. Management alone couldnt have done this. That goes to all employees of every airline out there. Because only we know what it feels like going to work every day only to see yourib job being bashed here!!!! No one can come tell us otherwise. We love what we do and were blessed to be able to do it everyday. I wish every body here a very very Happy New Year........Shall 2013 be full of blessings to all.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-12-31 14:18:03 and read 24853 times.

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 111):
N719AN taxiing on Echo taxiway.

Slightly off-topic, but why is the forward section on these unpainted aircraft often a different color than the rest of the fuselage?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-12-31 14:25:05 and read 25788 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 124):
Can u just post them here? I can't access that site

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: TSS
Posted 2012-12-31 16:04:12 and read 25073 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 127):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 124):
Can u just post them here? I can't access that site


So close to the livery I suggested in a previous thread!

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: UA787DEN
Posted 2012-12-31 16:08:43 and read 25014 times.

Who did the one with the stylized eagle enlarged on the tail like the DL widget? There were a bunch of similar designs from that person. Loved them all.

Everyone hated the non-red ones.

It's almost the new year! The first round of (rumored) announcements should be here soon!

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-01-01 09:51:51 and read 23958 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 126):
Quoting pdxswa (Reply 111):
N719AN taxiing on Echo taxiway.

Slightly off-topic, but why is the forward section on these unpainted aircraft often a different color than the rest of the fuselage?

The different fuselage sections often have different origins and sometimes completely different manufacturers and the protective coatings don't always match. That photo almost looks like that coating on the rear fuselage sections was removed before assembly.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: ckfred
Posted 2013-01-01 18:18:17 and read 23024 times.

Assuming that AA is going to replace the current paint scheme with a new one, it won't be just the aircraft. There will be changes to ticket counters, baggage claims, gates, ground equipment, and even the logos on the jet bridges. The web site will need to be changed. Billboards near airports need to be changed.

Heck, even the corporate branding at the basketball arenas in Miami and Dallas will have to be changed.

One would assume that the various departments that handle every aspect of rebranding are preparing a schedule. The logical assumption is that rebranding will be a priority at the cornerstone airports (LGA, JFK, MIA, ORD, DFW, and LAX), as well as other airports where AA has a larger presence.

Besides the new livery on mainline jets, it will be interesting to see if AMR has a new scheme for the Embrears and CRJs.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: JBo
Posted 2013-01-01 19:32:24 and read 22764 times.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 131):
Assuming that AA is going to replace the current paint scheme with a new one, it won't be just the aircraft. There will be changes to ticket counters, baggage claims, gates, ground equipment, and even the logos on the jet bridges. The web site will need to be changed. Billboards near airports need to be changed.

Heck, even the corporate branding at the basketball arenas in Miami and Dallas will have to be changed.

One would assume that the various departments that handle every aspect of rebranding are preparing a schedule. The logical assumption is that rebranding will be a priority at the cornerstone airports (LGA, JFK, MIA, ORD, DFW, and LAX), as well as other airports where AA has a larger presence.

Besides the new livery on mainline jets, it will be interesting to see if AMR has a new scheme for the Embrears and CRJs.

You assume that the new paint scheme is going to involve a completely new logo and logotype. If the new AA brand is going to retain the Helvetica AA Eagle logo and "AmericanAirlines" logotype, then rebranding the rest of the company outside of the aircraft is not going to be so urgent.

United retained the same basic Saul Bass logo through three different branding schemes, resulting in many equipment and signs (mostly airside and away from general public view) retaining old logos. Delta kept the same basic logo through the Ron Allen and 'wavy gravy' liveries (albeit with the 'frowning widget' for awhile).

Only if AA's rebranding includes a completely new logo and logotype will they have to spend the money on rebranding ticket counter signage, websites, and other collateral material ... otherwise if they keep the same basic logo they can refresh things over time.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: PDX88
Posted 2013-01-01 21:31:09 and read 22375 times.

Quoting JBo (Reply 132):
You assume that the new paint scheme is going to involve a completely new logo and logotype. If the new AA brand is going to retain the Helvetica AA Eagle logo and "AmericanAirlines" logotype, then rebranding the rest of the company outside of the aircraft is not going to be so urgent.

The idea so far has been that this new scheme will represent the new American as is exits bankruptcy. I'm pretty sure rebranding the company outside the aircraft will be as urgent as the aircraft itself (hence the kiosks). They don't want lingering reminders of the old hanging around for years if they are promoting the new American as much as they are.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: B377
Posted 2013-01-01 21:38:13 and read 22466 times.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 131):
Assuming that AA is going to replace the current paint scheme with a new one, it won't be just the aircraft.

Hang on all you impatient folks regarding the new AA livery. While it could happen earlier if someone violates the secrecy that AA has placed on this, I would doubt that anything constructive comes out prior the the Jan 9th BOD meeting on AA's date exiting bankruptcy and potential merger with US. The exit bankruptcy date will be the reveal for the "new" AA!

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Speedbird128
Posted 2013-01-01 22:17:52 and read 22205 times.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 31):
You don't change a monument because it gets old, do you?

I guess you do, especially when you want people to forget that monument.

Not everything deserves to be, nor should be, remembered forever - especially if you're trying to generate a new "Post chapter 11 look".

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: liftsifter
Posted 2013-01-01 22:35:43 and read 22183 times.

What was the point of all of this, the planes are going to have to be washed completely before the final paint is added, seems like a total waste of time, this was.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: lostsound
Posted 2013-01-02 08:24:28 and read 21538 times.

Check your calenders folks! First flight is at the end of this month which means we can probably expect to conclude this conundrum fairly soon.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: FlyboyOz
Posted 2013-01-02 16:53:27 and read 20680 times.

Quoting lostsound (Reply 137):
Check your calenders folks! First flight is at the end of this month which means we can probably expect to conclude this conundrum fairly soon.

Ahh finally over.... i cannot wait to see it at the end of this month!!

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: liftsifter
Posted 2013-01-02 17:22:28 and read 20538 times.

Wouldn't put it behind AA to slap an AA sticker on the tail and use it until they are fully ready for the unveil.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Wingtips56
Posted 2013-01-02 18:02:38 and read 20458 times.

A 773 with a BOE331 flight number just arrived PAE from PDX about 1:30 hrs ago, so spotters, be at the ready to see if it is N719AN and what paint it has or hasn't. (Of course it could be some other airline's 773.)

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: PDX88
Posted 2013-01-02 22:25:28 and read 19831 times.

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 140):
A 773 with a BOE331 flight number just arrived PAE from PDX about 1:30 hrs ago

Belongs to Aeroflot. VP-BGB.

[Edited 2013-01-02 22:26:15]

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: ckfred
Posted 2013-01-03 08:06:54 and read 19118 times.

Quoting JBo (Reply 132):
United retained the same basic Saul Bass logo through three different branding schemes, resulting in many equipment and signs (mostly airside and away from general public view) retaining old logos. Delta kept the same basic logo through the Ron Allen and 'wavy gravy' liveries (albeit with the 'frowning widget' for awhile).

Only if AA's rebranding includes a completely new logo and logotype will they have to spend the money on rebranding ticket counter signage, websites, and other collateral material ... otherwise if they keep the same basic logo they can refresh things over time.

I seem to remember that it wasn't that long after the "wavy gravy" livery was introduced that DL started changing the signage for gates at ATL and at the ORD ticket counter.

And while UA had the tulip U in three paint schemes, it seems that after every change in livery, UA did a fairly quick job in making over the gates and ticketing areas at ORD. Within a few months, after last livery was introduced, ticketing at ORD went from the gray background with the red-and-blue U to a blue background with the white U.

Just call it a hunch, but I'm betting that AA ditches the Helvitica typeface. When AA went to the current livery and brand in the late 60s, it was a new typeface. Now, it seems to be very common for informational signage at airports, government buildings, etc. I would think that AA would want a typeface that stands out from every information sign at an airport.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: JoePatroni707
Posted 2013-01-03 09:48:38 and read 18886 times.

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 139):
Wouldn't put it behind AA to slap an AA sticker on the tail and use it until they are fully ready for the unveil.

At this point I would not be at all suprised to see that happen. We are down to about three week to EIS, and not even a plan to fly them out of DFW to another location for painting. AA still has some work to do with the airplane for crew training and such, so I doubt we will see them painted when they EIS. I checked the extra flying schedle to the end of the month and nothing is planned. AA can slap stickers on them at DFW, but I highly doubt they will paint them there.

AA has three brand new airplanes sitting at DFW for over two weeks. 7LA, 7LB and 3JW (last is a 737 been there since the 21st).

7LC the third 773 was recently seen unpainted current status unknown.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-03 10:08:42 and read 18843 times.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 143):
3JW (last is a 737 been there since the 21st).

So this 737 will also be getting the (or a) new AA livery? Can it be that they will be painting both the 77W and this 737 in their new livery for a joint ceremony with these two aircraft?

A388

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: JoePatroni707
Posted 2013-01-03 10:25:13 and read 18667 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 144):
So this 737 will also be getting the (or a) new AA livery

My personal guess is, just a guess... it was delivered in standard AA colours but could be sporting the new interior???
Or it could have just been delivered around the holidays and the acceptence check may have been pushed back due to the holidays... but the fact it has been sitting since the 21st makes you go hmmmmmm....

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: A388
Posted 2013-01-03 10:43:12 and read 18508 times.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 145):
but the fact it has been sitting since the 21st makes you go hmmmmmm....

Indeed it does and it also doesn't make much sense to showcase the aircraft with their new interior but without the new livery.

A388

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: rotating14
Posted 2013-01-03 20:56:14 and read 17643 times.

I spoke with a member of the creditors for AA the other week and the merger WILL happen. Timeframe is around the beginning of the 2nd quarter. The majority of the major issues are already ironed out, (pilot contracts, ect). To my understanding when AA climbs out of bankruptcy on it's own, executives stand to pocket a nice chunk of change. This what I have heard from one of AA's creditors.

I asked about the livery and the individuals reply was that it won't be revealed until the merger is cemented. So the sticker on tail and or the fuselage seems likely.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2013-01-03 22:43:49 and read 17368 times.

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 147):
I spoke with a member of the creditors for AA the other week and the merger WILL happen. Timeframe is around the beginning of the 2nd quarter. The majority of the major issues are already ironed out, (pilot contracts, ect). To my understanding when AA climbs out of bankruptcy on it's own, executives stand to pocket a nice chunk of change. This what I have heard from one of AA's creditors.

One of the Creditors (an individual, not an organization, no less) divulged secret information to you and you are posting it on a website?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: JoePatroni707
Posted 2013-01-04 04:51:20 and read 16980 times.

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 147):
I spoke with a member of the creditors for AA the other week and the merger WILL happen.

I have a hard time believing that. First off all I can guarentee you 100% everyone in that confrence room is on a NDA. Second of all if he did disclouse to you a merger was already agreed upon he would be guilty of insider trading. Finally the creditors committee is not made of individual persons, they are banks and other organizations. Could be a member of one of these, but I highly doubt he disclosed to you it was a done deal.

I still strongly believe AA is better off without USAir.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Heavierthanair
Posted 2013-01-04 05:31:20 and read 16996 times.

G´day

Quoting A388 (Reply 144):
So this 737 will also be getting the (or a) new AA livery? Can it be that they will be painting both the 77W and this 737 in their new livery for a joint ceremony with these two aircraft?

For good measure they will also have to throw in an A 321 in the new colors. Is that what they are waiting for before making the announcement?   


Cheers

Peter

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: steeler83
Posted 2013-01-04 05:51:46 and read 16753 times.

Quoting garpd (Reply 25):
My guess is no.If the MD-80s are to be phased out, they're not going to pull them out of service for painting. They'll probably continue in the current livery until they or withdrawn from service.

Same here. I don't know if someone else posted this yet, but I know that when US Air was rebranded as US Airways, their DC9, 732, MD80, 727, Fokker fleet were not repainted in the dark blue scheme. US Air rebranded in 1996-1997, and the above aircraft were phased out completely by 2002 as I recall...

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2013-01-04 07:49:15 and read 16786 times.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 151):
I know that when US Air was rebranded as US Airways, their DC9, 732, MD80, 727, Fokker fleet were not repainted in the dark blue scheme. US Air rebranded in 1996-1997, and the above aircraft were phased out completely by 2002 as I recall...

Some F100s were repainted in the navy blue livery, and the MetroJet 732s flew in an inverse version of the navy blue livery (with red on top). A few 727s and DC-9s used for the Shuttle had a hybrid livery with the 1997 logo and the 1989 bare-metal livery.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: CapEd388
Posted 2013-01-04 12:38:48 and read 16186 times.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 151):
Same here. I don't know if someone else posted this yet, but I know that when US Air was rebranded as US Airways, their DC9, 732, MD80, 727, Fokker fleet were not repainted in the dark blue scheme. US Air rebranded in 1996-1997, and the above aircraft were phased out completely by 2002 as I recall...

Lets look at American's own history.

They repainted the BAE 146s and B737-200s that they acquired from AirCal only to have them leave the fleet a few years later.

The same goes for the MD87s and MD90s that they got from the Reno Air merger. They painted them and retired them soon after.

They also painted the B717s that they got from TWA (although it was a hybrid) and they retired those shortly after.

I find it hard to believe that they will not paint at least a few MD80s in the new livery. Being that the MD80 fleet has 150+ aircraft and may remain in service until 2018-2020 at most.

As I have said before, I think they will paint the MD80s that they expect to retire 4-6 years out. I seriously doubt that they will paint the entire fleet and leave 150+ MD80s unpainted.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: JAAlbert
Posted 2013-01-04 13:02:58 and read 16007 times.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 149):
if he did disclouse to you a merger was already agreed upon he would be guilty of insider trading.

It's only considered illegal insider trading if he takes the "secret" information and tries to profit from it by buying stock now and selling it for a higher price once the news becomes public, or selling his stock knowing that the price will plummet once the news comes out. Receiving secret information may be a violation of the NDA, but a person who did not sign onto the NDA (ie JoePatroni707) is not bound to keep quiet.

That being said, where is the airplane in it's new colors???

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2013-01-04 13:29:06 and read 15903 times.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 145):
My personal guess is, just a guess... it was delivered in standard AA colours but could be sporting the new interior???

My understanding is 738s with the new interior (including AVOD) won't be delivered until around December 2013.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: american 767
Posted 2013-01-04 13:58:15 and read 15759 times.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 151):
Same here. I don't know if someone else posted this yet, but I know that when US Air was rebranded as US Airways, their DC9, 732, MD80, 727, Fokker fleet were not repainted in the dark blue scheme. US Air rebranded in 1996-1997, and the above aircraft were phased out completely by 2002 as I recall...

The Shuttle 727s, maybe not all of them, were repainted in the full dark blue US Airways livery.

Quoting CapEd388 (Reply 153):
I seriously doubt that they will paint the entire fleet and leave 150+ MD80s unpainted.

I'm sure that at least one MD-80 will see the new livery. Same with the 757, not all of them will see the new livery, but at least one will. Same with the 767-200, definitely not all 15 will see the new livery, I would say only one of the remaining 15 will if it ever does. The 767-200 might as well not see the new livery at all, if it leaves the fleet in two years from now.

Quoting CapEd388 (Reply 153):
The same goes for the MD87s and MD90s that they got from the Reno Air merger. They painted them and retired them soon after.

They didn't really repaint them. True, those did wear the American Airlines titles and logos but remained flying with a white fuselage for the remainder of their life with American, instead of a silver fuselage.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: CapEd388
Posted 2013-01-04 14:27:00 and read 15666 times.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 156):
They didn't really repaint them. True, those did wear the American Airlines titles and logos but remained flying with a white fuselage for the remainder of their life with American, instead of a silver fuselage.

True. What I meant, is that AA still went through the trouble of taking off the Reno Air livery and adding the red, white and blue cheatline with the AA logo on the tail. They could have just as well, kept the aircraft in some Reno Air/AA hybrid livery.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: JoePatroni707
Posted 2013-01-07 04:50:22 and read 14475 times.

I am beginning to think we will not see the new livery when the airplane EIS. Neither 77W has flown since delivery. Neither aircraft is on the extra flying summary through the end of the month (that can always change). I assume it would take at least 1-2weeks to to a paint job on one of these?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: scbriml
Posted 2013-01-07 04:56:03 and read 14428 times.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 158):
I assume it would take at least 1-2weeks to to a paint job on one of these?

That depends. If the titles and tail logo were stickers rather than paint, I guess it wouldn't take very long at all. Even if they were painted, it's not going to take that long given the fuselage and tail are already painted - it's not like they've got to strip and repaint the whole plane.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: tonytifao
Posted 2013-01-07 18:42:03 and read 13538 times.

does anyone know if AA will use the 773 domestically for crew training prior to official inaugural service?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: UA787DEN
Posted 2013-01-07 20:05:11 and read 13299 times.

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 160):

I think not. AA might run a few non-rev flights, but their first scheduled pax 77W flight is DFW-GRU on the 31st. AA already has 772s, so they don't need much training.

The destination Airports, on the other hand, need an entirely new set of configuration info. Though that isn't a big deal.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: AA94
Posted 2013-01-07 20:19:08 and read 13235 times.

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 160):
does anyone know if AA will use the 773 domestically for crew training prior to official inaugural service?

There is nothing scheduled, AFAIK. As UA787DEN mentioned above, the 773 is not scheduled to fly any domestic routes prior to EIS on DFW-GRU on 31JAN.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 143):
AA has three brand new airplanes sitting at DFW for over two weeks. 7LA, 7LB and 3JW (last is a 737 been there since the 21st).

7LC the third 773 was recently seen unpainted current status unknown.

So we have seen neither hide nor hair of 7LC since being flown to PDX (there are some pictures on 12/21 of 7LC at PDX still wearing no fuselage colors) ...

This is utter speculation, but what if AA were to paint 7LC in the new colors at PDX, and let it sit until closer to EIS date? Could they theoretically fly it down to DFW under the cover of night and throw it in a hangar while prepping it for inaugural service?

Again, I don't even know if this is possible, but it just seems to me that AA would love to deploy their new aircraft and their new color scheme on the same day. The 773 represents the future of AA, as does the new c/s.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: JoePatroni707
Posted 2013-01-08 04:41:05 and read 12819 times.

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 160):
does anyone know if AA will use the 773 domestically for crew training prior to official inaugural service?

Apparently there is no crew training required, only 4 pages of differences training.

Quoting AA94 (Reply 162):
This is utter speculation, but what if AA were to paint 7LC in the new colors at PDX, and let it sit until closer to EIS date? Could they theoretically fly it down to DFW under the cover of night and throw it in a hangar while prepping it for inaugural service

At this pont anythign is possible. I was thinking the same thing actually. But that would leave two in base paint colors with no logo work... so who knows?

OTOH we do get a new "JETNET" (internal employee website for those who are not AAers) tomorrow, which will reveal a little more....


The way AA is doing this is like going to a strip club where the dancer undresses little by little over 3-4 songs..  

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2013-01-08 07:26:36 and read 12212 times.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 163):

I did not know this. Interesting. All I knew about tomorrow (technology-wise) is that every employee who doesn't currently have a company email account will have one. Im intrigued as to what we'll see on this new Jetnet.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: babybus
Posted 2013-01-08 07:29:03 and read 12225 times.

Where exactly on this thread is the new livery?

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 164):
Im intrigued as to what we'll see on this new Jetnet.

Probably redundancy notices.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: BasilFawlty
Posted 2013-01-08 07:40:43 and read 12210 times.

Quoting babybus (Reply 165):
Where exactly on this thread is the new livery?

Nowhere 

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Robt760
Posted 2013-01-08 08:16:20 and read 12070 times.

It's a deceiving thread title, but has gone on and on for 4 separate/on-going threads. Definitely a "scheme" in the non-British sense.  cheeky 

There needs to be a revision title, as nothing has been CONFIRMED other than there WILL be a new color scheme.

On another note.....The 773 that went to PDX on December 21 (N719AN), has a scheduled flight from PDX back up to PAE this morning. Maybe we will FINALLY have the CONFIRMED and proof/photos of it.....Matt Cowboy (Photographer?)

[Edited 2013-01-08 08:18:10]

[Edited 2013-01-08 08:28:51]

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-01-08 09:33:50 and read 11686 times.

Quoting Robt760 (Reply 167):
It's a deceiving thread title, but has gone on and on for 4 separate/on-going threads.

How is it deceiving? the aircrafts are painted... When was the last time you've seen an AA aircraft painted?... Therefore it confirms that there will be a new scheme, if they were gonna keep the current scheme with the grey background they would have done so already...

Quoting Robt760 (Reply 167):
Maybe we will FINALLY have the CONFIRMED and proof/photos of it.....Matt Cowboy (Photographer?)

If anything it will be painted just like the first two... And to correct you, the guy's name is Matt Cawby...

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: ckfred
Posted 2013-01-08 11:33:49 and read 11302 times.

Quoting Robt760 (Reply 167):
On another note.....The 773 that went to PDX on December 21 (N719AN), has a scheduled flight from PDX back up to PAE this morning. Maybe we will FINALLY have the CONFIRMED and proof/photos of it.....Matt Cowboy (Photographer?)

Flight Aware was showing a 10am PT departure. It's now about 11:30 am PT, and the plane is still in PDX.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: sabian404
Posted 2013-01-08 11:35:19 and read 11321 times.

Quoting Robt760 (Reply 167):
On another note.....The 773 that went to PDX on December 21 (N719AN), has a scheduled flight from PDX back up to PAE this morning. Maybe we will FINALLY have the CONFIRMED and proof/photos of it.....Matt Cowboy (Photographer?)

N719AN is painted the same as the other two. Getting ready to leave PDX right now.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: ouboy79
Posted 2013-01-08 12:30:15 and read 11092 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 168):
How is it deceiving? the aircrafts are painted... When was the last time you've seen an AA aircraft painted?... Therefore it confirms that there will be a new scheme, if they were gonna keep the current scheme with the grey background they would have done so already...

I think it is just the way the word "painted" is being taken. It can be mean two things in this case...

1) The new scheme is completed and on the aircraft.

2) The aircraft will be mostly paint vs. polished metal.

If anything the thread title should be "New AA Livery Coming - Paint not Bare Metal" or something of that nature that clears it up more.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-01-08 14:04:25 and read 11064 times.

Quoting sabian404 (Reply 170):
N719AN is painted the same as the other two. Getting ready to leave PDX right now.

Just as I thought... Matt Cawby tweeted a pic of it landing at PAE a while ago...

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: rj777
Posted 2013-01-08 14:57:59 and read 11004 times.

So we've got 3 birds that look exactly the same......blank and gray.... and supposedly in the "AA CEO to decide on merger soon" thread, the merger decision has been pushed back a few weeks. And someone said that they won't be painted until the merger is finalized...... so what exactly does that all mean here for the timeline for the unveiling?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: AA767400
Posted 2013-01-08 15:40:33 and read 10721 times.

Quoting babybus (Reply 165):
Probably redundancy notices.

Oh yeah? And who exactly will be given this notice, Tom Horton?

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: iFlyLOTs
Posted 2013-01-08 15:57:31 and read 10625 times.

Quoting rj777 (Reply 173):
And someone said that they won't be painted until the merger is finalized......

I think that was just a rumor, it was done before with DL that the new branding came out before the NW merger, so I think we will still see it by January 31st

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: PRAirbus
Posted 2013-01-08 17:32:45 and read 10338 times.

AA grapevine indicates new branding and 773ER will be revealed some time next week...about time!!!!!!! :O

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-08 18:50:28 and read 10191 times.

A merger will take months to work it's way through the approval's process - and that assumes everyone approves at the onset and nobody raises issues.

AA paid a fair bit of money for those planes so they can't afford to park them for months until the merger is formally approved and the new livery is ready - assuming a merged AA/US would actually settle on whatever additional livery features these 777-300ERs will sport beyond the current paint job.

Unless AA just plans to put a basic American Airlines decal on them ala Japan Airline's new look.   

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-01-08 19:30:29 and read 9937 times.

Well another 777 just left the Portland paint hanger and guess what.. same grey and white as the first two...

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2013-01-08 21:38:07 and read 9556 times.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 176):

That's what people who are in Dallas for Evac drills are saying. The company hopes to have certification for the plane very soon (as within a week), including FAA minimum F/A numbers. Plan is to paint 7LA next week. Or at least finish it. Hopefully that's all true!

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: kjfk527
Posted 2013-01-08 22:32:45 and read 9437 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 127):

I don't like that - to much of a resembelance to Aeroflot

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-09 00:59:50 and read 9271 times.

Quoting kanban (Reply 178):
Well another 777 just left the Portland paint hanger and guess what.. same grey and white as the first two...

  

Picture by Matt Camby http://paineairport.com/kpae5815.htm

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: kanban
Posted 2013-01-09 01:33:10 and read 8988 times.

Quoting kjfk527 (Reply 180):
to much of a resembelance to Aeroflot

several keep harping about a dark fin... consider that if it were a dark color, the whole plane would be the same grey since a dark color covers better.. the reason for the white fin is that it will be a light color and the white underneath is needed to accentuate it. (painting 101)

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-01-09 06:36:12 and read 8609 times.

Quoting kjfk527 (Reply 180):
I don't like that - to much of a resembelance to Aeroflot

True, but if you look again it also has a slight resemblance to QR's livery as well:


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Photo © Seung Hwan Kim

Quoting kanban (Reply 182):
several keep harping about a dark fin... consider that if it were a dark color, the whole plane would be the same grey since a dark color covers better.. the reason for the white fin is that it will be a light color and the white underneath is needed to accentuate it. (painting 101)

  

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: TSS
Posted 2013-01-09 09:55:01 and read 8056 times.

Quoting kanban (Reply 182):
several keep harping about a dark fin... consider that if it were a dark color, the whole plane would be the same grey since a dark color covers better.. the reason for the white fin is that it will be a light color and the white underneath is needed to accentuate it. (painting 101)

Well-reasoned and conclusively stated, so "Sayonara" to visions of a navy blue fin in the forthcoming livery.

On the minus side, that effectively rules out anything similar to the livery posted in reply 127.

On the plus side, it also rules out anything similar to the current US livery.

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: rj777
Posted 2013-01-09 22:12:40 and read 7146 times.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 176):
AA grapevine indicates new branding and 773ER will be revealed some time next week...about time!!!!!!! :O

So we might actually get our look at it BEFORE thread part 10!

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: Fiedman
Posted 2013-01-17 12:14:17 and read 5510 times.

I like it really like it  

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: usair330
Posted 2013-01-17 16:11:02 and read 5177 times.

I didn't like it at first. But after watching this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-KD0PdI1Ek I understand the concept and it's great! Way to go AA!

Topic: RE: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 4
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2013-01-17 16:13:46 and read 5184 times.

As we are covering this thru threads open on January 17, it does not make sense to continue discussions here.

We're locking this thread.


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