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Topic: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: afriwing
Posted 2012-12-13 02:17:37 and read 70415 times.

According to Aviation Week, Airbus is working on a significant A380 order


http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_12_12_2012_p0-527595.xml


so .. let the speculations begin   .. but let's first hope it's from a new customer, rather than a top-up order



Cheers



(Edit: corrected quote  Wink )

[Edited 2012-12-13 02:21:17]

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: shanxz
Posted 2012-12-13 02:28:46 and read 70388 times.

1. Turkish Airlines
2. Garuda Indonesia
3. Hainan Airlines

In that order of likelihood...

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: AA737-823
Posted 2012-12-13 02:28:47 and read 70358 times.

Well, as much as I'd like it to be UA or DL (though I'd prefer a 748 order!), I suspect that it's not a US-based customer.
More for Emirates? Gee, I hope not.
Chinese?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: india1
Posted 2012-12-13 02:31:16 and read 70300 times.

With the EU-China spat dissipating - with announcements for 320 & 330 orders since - and with JL being recently back from that country, is there anything we can deduce?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2012-12-13 02:32:27 and read 70281 times.

Is this a Cathay Order incoming?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: worldrider
Posted 2012-12-13 02:32:44 and read 70273 times.

i still expect CX to change their minds one day. Maybe we will have another chinese operator with this one.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: spantax
Posted 2012-12-13 02:37:37 and read 70208 times.

No room for speculations. I know for sure that it is .... Ryanair (999 PAX configuration). 

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: scouseflyer
Posted 2012-12-13 02:41:47 and read 70111 times.

Ok I'll play!

I actually doubt that it's a(nother!) top-up for EK as they'd probably not have a MOU followed by a firm order later.

My thoughts:

New customers:

TK, NH, Tam or maybe one of the other Chinese carriers. As a real outside bet, that Thai startup whose name that I can't remember!


Top-ups:

BA, EY (seem to have lots a cash to splash at the moment) or KE

Interesting next 10 days 

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: airlinebuilder
Posted 2012-12-13 02:42:55 and read 70075 times.

why do I have this feeling it is going to be Philippine Airlines, there is much talk about Europe being receptive to the airlines "come back"

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: AF185
Posted 2012-12-13 02:47:06 and read 70009 times.

DL! They're on a roll this week  

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: KL911
Posted 2012-12-13 02:48:02 and read 70019 times.

DL and VS ?   Bombarding LHR with A380's .

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Focker
Posted 2012-12-13 02:50:08 and read 69938 times.

1. Air China
2. Turkish Airlines
3. Cathay (one can dream)

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-12-13 02:53:05 and read 69899 times.

Why do I have a feeling it's going to be GA...

EK413

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2012-12-13 02:56:14 and read 69851 times.

Since it's supposed to be "significant," we can assume it will not be a start-up or a smaller airline.
Of course it will not be Philippine Airlines, since they could not serve the US with it.
Maybe they are calling it significant because of the customer, not the number of airframes, which is intriguing.

If it's in regard of airframes, my money is on these three:

1. EY
2. TK
3. EK


If it's in regard of carrier:

1. CX
2. DL
3. UA

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: AirbusA370
Posted 2012-12-13 02:57:35 and read 69848 times.

-800 or -900?   

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: fcogafa
Posted 2012-12-13 03:02:19 and read 69729 times.

Depends what 'significant' means. Is it significant due to the number of aircraft ordered or due to the airline. If it is a new airline it could be thought significant to airbus.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: na
Posted 2012-12-13 03:03:21 and read 69731 times.

Like others I hope its NOT Emirates.

I could think of, in no particular order:
Cathay
ANA
Turkish
Delta
United
BA
Etihad
Qatar
TAM (very remote chance)
China Airlines (very remote chance)
Air China or another major Chinese operator
or someone totally different


As for Garuda, maybe they could order 4, but that wouldnt be a significant order. "Significant" sounds like 10 or more, or a smaller order of an influential carrier not operating the A380 so far and bound to order more (CX, DL).

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: qf340500
Posted 2012-12-13 03:08:23 and read 69637 times.

Where was Leahy in the last few days??? Wasn't the A380 "demonstrator plane" flying from Hawaii to Hongkong afterwards???

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: SKAirbus
Posted 2012-12-13 03:09:49 and read 69635 times.

I've got a feeling BA may top up their order.. they have a lot of 744s to replace, which the 777X and A350 cannot cover in their entirety...

However, I hope it will be CX.. They have a lot of competition with A380s in service or arriving: Singapore Airlines, Korean Air, Asiana, China Southern, Malaysia Airlines, Thai...

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: SKAirbus
Posted 2012-12-13 03:10:35 and read 69591 times.

Quoting qf340500 (Reply 17):
Where was Leahy in the last few days??? Wasn't the A380 "demonstrator plane" flying from Hawaii to Hongkong afterwards???

So it's between Hawaiian and Cathay then  )) hehe

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: qf340500
Posted 2012-12-13 03:10:56 and read 69586 times.

Please, let it be CX  ))))

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: worldrider
Posted 2012-12-13 03:14:51 and read 69496 times.

Quoting spantax (Reply 6):
No room for speculations. I know for sure that it is .... Ryanair (999 PAX configuration).

  

possibly the new "999 standing-active-full-flex" config! with personal energy-producing generators king of IFE where inflight mandatory competitions will be offered and the best ECO passsengers will be awarded lotery tickets/beverage discounts.. with trumpets!   

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: airlinebuilder
Posted 2012-12-13 03:18:56 and read 69445 times.

To quote

"The French and the British are certainly happy that PAL is giving them a big chunk of the business via the acquisition of Airbus aircraft that include A330s, A320s, A340s, A319s, as well as A350s and A380s"
- The Philippine Star BUSINESS section Spy Bits by Babe G. Romualdez

......this can be that "order" remember Philippine Airlines got 36 more orders to go....

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: worldrider
Posted 2012-12-13 03:45:40 and read 69095 times.

a CX 15/20 frame order would make my next night dream.

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 22):
To quote

"The French and the British are certainly happy that PAL is giving them a big chunk of the business via the acquisition of Airbus aircraft that include A330s, A320s, A340s, A319s, as well as A350s and A380s"
- The Philippine Star BUSINESS section Spy Bits by Babe G. Romualdez

......this can be that "order" remember Philippine Airlines got 36 more orders to go....

maybe 6 frames for Manilla-North Amecrica ops? would be another another nice one, and that would make my first dream even more likely.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: scbriml
Posted 2012-12-13 03:50:15 and read 68997 times.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
More for Emirates? Gee, I hope not.
Quoting na (Reply 16):
Like others I hope its NOT Emirates.

Why not? They've already said they will need another 30. But, it would be unlike them to issue an MOU/LOI first. I also don't see them topping up before the Dubai Air Show next November.

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 22):
......this can be that "order" remember Philippine Airlines got 36 more orders to go....

Well, today they certainly haven't ordered either the A350 or A380. Then again, how reliable is the source? If they did order a bunch of A350s and A380s that would certainly upset some here who assumed the rest of the order was a slam-dunk for Boeing.

I'll be very surprised if it isn't an Asian carrier.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2012-12-13 03:53:34 and read 71254 times.

Why would the British be happy?

Quoting worldrider (Reply 23):
maybe 6 frames for Manilla-North Amecrica ops? would be another another nice one, and that would make my first dream even more likely.

Under their current restrictions that would leave them with MEX, YVR, YUL and YYZ as possible destinations, since they are not allowed to change aircraft on their current US routes. I seriously doubt that they can persuade the FAA recategorizing them with an A380 order...

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: airlinebuilder
Posted 2012-12-13 03:58:26 and read 70895 times.

check out philippineairspace.blogspot.com the site explains the British on the Rolls Royce that complements the aircraft order........

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: worldrider
Posted 2012-12-13 03:58:33 and read 72087 times.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 25):

Under their current restrictions that would leave them with MEX, YVR, YUL and YYZ as possible destinations, since they are not allowed to change aircraft on their current US routes. I seriously doubt that they can persuade the FAA recategorizing them with an A380 order...

interesting info, thanks for the insight UM

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: PIEAvantiP180
Posted 2012-12-13 03:59:32 and read 72257 times.

Quoting AF185 (Reply 9):
DL! They're on a roll this week
Quoting KL911 (Reply 10):
DL and VS ? Bombarding LHR with A380's .
Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 13):
2. DL
Quoting na (Reply 16):
Delta

You guys can for certanly take DL off the list. At least for as long as the current managment team is running the show. Yesterday during DL investor day conference R. Anderson mentioned several times that the A380 will not provide a reasonable ROI for DL over a 30year span. A reporter asked him how do you compare buying VS and an A380 and he said it does not come close.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: scbriml
Posted 2012-12-13 04:08:04 and read 71865 times.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 25):
Why would the British be happy?

Why wouldn't they be very happy? Airbus wings and RR engines for a start.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: SKAirbus
Posted 2012-12-13 04:09:51 and read 72081 times.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 25):
Why would the British be happy?

Because a large part of the manufacturing takes place in the UK for the A380... The wings, which are if I'm not mistaken quite a big and critical part of the aircraft.

Also, many airlines have gone for Rolls Royce engines, which are British.

So essentially ordering an A380 is good for the British economy as well as the French, German, Spanish.. etc  

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: airlinebuilder
Posted 2012-12-13 04:14:40 and read 71522 times.

very well said SKAirbus!

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Wisdom
Posted 2012-12-13 04:15:21 and read 71564 times.

My 3 choices:

-SQ
-LATAM
-CX

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2012-12-13 04:18:52 and read 71532 times.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 30):
Because a large part of the manufacturing takes place in the UK for the A380... The wings, which are if I'm not mistaken quite a big and critical part of the aircraft.

Also, many airlines have gone for Rolls Royce engines, which are British.

So essentially ordering an A380 is good for the British economy as well as the French, German, Spanish.. etc

After reading that blogspot entry, it becomes clear, why they are sucking up to the Brits.
Looks like quite a bit of bribery might be going on. Just sayin'.
We'll see what comes of this.
The more I think about it, the more I am leaning toward a CX order.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2012-12-13 04:21:34 and read 71313 times.

Quoting spantax (Reply 6):
No room for speculations. I know for sure that it is .... Ryanair (999 PAX configuration).

I'm sure they could fit a couple thousand with their all-standing configurations. 

I dearly hope it is CX or perhaps TK.

However, as others, I fear it will be EK (which has become so boring lately.... [unless it is A380-900])

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: SKAirbus
Posted 2012-12-13 04:23:53 and read 71192 times.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 33):
After reading that blogspot entry, it becomes clear, why they are sucking up to the Brits.
Looks like quite a bit of bribery might be going on. Just sayin'.
We'll see what comes of this.
The more I think about it, the more I am leaning toward a CX order.

Well if you are going to use that logic then I would say Germany and France are also culprits here. It has been known for Airbus orders to be signed in conjunction with state visits by the likes of Merkel and Sarkozy/Hollande so it is a bit naive to accuse the Brits of bribery here.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2012-12-13 04:23:56 and read 71133 times.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 34):
However, as others, I fear it will be EK (which has become so boring lately.... [unless it is A380-900])

Which would also qualify as significant.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: JerseyFlyer
Posted 2012-12-13 04:24:06 and read 71036 times.

The report reads to me more like a new customer than a top up by an existing customer.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: scbriml
Posted 2012-12-13 04:26:17 and read 71025 times.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 33):
Looks like quite a bit of bribery might be going on. Just sayin'.

Just sayin' bribery? Based on what, exactly?   

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2012-12-13 04:27:11 and read 71014 times.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 35):
Well if you are going to use that logic then I would say Germany and France are also culprits here. It has been known for Airbus orders to be signed in conjunction with state visits by the likes of Merkel and Sarkozy/Hollande so it is a bit naive to accuse the Brits of bribery here.

Oh, no doubt about that.
But I haven't heard of any lobbying to let unsafe airlines come back into the EU by anyone but RR.  

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Richard28
Posted 2012-12-13 04:29:58 and read 71164 times.

David Cameron is going to Airbus Flintshire later today, where an announcement will be made...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-20708486

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: BlueSky1976
Posted 2012-12-13 04:40:51 and read 70443 times.

It's going to be either major Asian or European customer. I highly doubt any carrier from North America will ever order A380. 777-9X is as large as they will go, size-wise.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Hooverman
Posted 2012-12-13 04:44:42 and read 70252 times.

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 40):

Must be a huge order if it's gonna save 9000 jobs.

I'll go for BA or CX.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Focker
Posted 2012-12-13 04:48:33 and read 70262 times.

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 40):
David Cameron is going to Airbus Flintshire later today, where an announcement will be made...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-n...08486

According to Bloomberg this is the AirAsia announcement, see:

AirAsia Order For 100 A320's To Be Conf'd 13-Dec (by Focker Dec 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)

And:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...ing-order-for-100-airbus-jets.html

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: na
Posted 2012-12-13 04:48:46 and read 70152 times.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 41):
777-9X is as large as they will go, size-wise.

Much too late to replace their 744 fleets! And such plane would largely carry on the comfort and passenger appeal shortfalls the 77W now has against the 748I and A380.

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 40):
David Cameron is going to Airbus Flintshire later today, where an announcement will be made...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-n...08486

Airbus announces a deal securing 9000 jobs there. And they do make the A380 wings so its about a signifcant A380 deal. Sounds a lot like many more A380s for BA.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: airlinebuilder
Posted 2012-12-13 04:53:43 and read 69842 times.

considering that new airlines cannot wait for an open slot for the A380 by 2015 was it or 2017 not so sure about the date but are there any frames available by 2013 must it be a new airline for the A380 needing it ASAP?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: KL911
Posted 2012-12-13 04:59:30 and read 69623 times.

Quoting Hooverman (Reply 42):
I'll go for BA or CX.

BA already has the A380 on order, and I doubt LHR has enough space to build more A380 gates.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Bthebest
Posted 2012-12-13 05:00:41 and read 69487 times.

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 40):
David Cameron is going to Airbus Flintshire later today, where an announcement will be made...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-20708486

Not sure whether this is related to an aircraft order or just a deal between Airbus and UK Govt. on tax breaks etc.

"The company says a new agreement will safeguard 1,500 Airbus jobs in the UK and 7,500 in its supply chain."

That comment makes it sound like industrial co-operation rather than an order.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Focker
Posted 2012-12-13 05:02:01 and read 69579 times.

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 47):
That comment makes it sound like industrial co-operation rather than an order.

The article states:

The company says a multibillion-pound order for 100 A320 planes from AirAsia will safeguard 1,500 Airbus jobs in the UK and 7,500 in its supply chain.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Heavierthanair
Posted 2012-12-13 05:02:38 and read 69530 times.

G´day

Likely Tony Fernandes is saving on travel costs by combining the order announcements for 100 A 320´s for Air Asia and a dozen or so A 380´s for Air Asia X expansion   

The BA top-up for twenty more will be announced when they get their first A 380 delivered next year.

The CX order for a dozen A 380´s is not going to happen this year, but then again the A company also needs some press next year


Cheers

Peter

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-12-13 05:11:11 and read 69085 times.

Quoting na (Reply 44):
And such plane would largely carry on the comfort and passenger appeal shortfalls the 77W now has against the 748I and A380.

Which are those exactly? Seats, pitch and IFE are independant from airframe size. Cabin noise? Not a good argument. I'd prefer engine/outside noise over snorring or loudly chatting people around me any time. Noise-cancelling headphones work in any case. Smoother cruise? No, I have experienced significant turbulence on the A380.


PH

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Cerecl
Posted 2012-12-13 05:13:42 and read 69058 times.

My guess is CX, followed by BA, with TK and GA possible but less likely. I don't think Leahy needed to hold back if EK was behind the order because EK would have let everybody know by now. The same applies to EY and QR.

BA: They were talking about A350-1000/787-10/77X more than A380, and will they top up even before having A380 in service?
TK: Only recently did they announce substantial A330+77W orders. Do they still need A380?
GA and LATAM: don't know enough to comment.

Airlines that were mentioned in this thread but seems (very) unlikely
HU: They have only recently said they are looking to change their A380 orders into A330/A320s, makes little sense to place another order now.
SQ: Recently topped up with 5 more.
CA: They have 5x748i+19 77W+A350+787-9 on order/partially delivered. No need for A380.
MU: their largest aircraft is A346 (5) and they signed an MOU for 20x77W.
CZ: Needs to digest the 5 they ordered first.
NH: Seems focused on 787. I came across a report (sorry no link) recently that suggested that A380 is not very high on their priority list
UA: Weren't they thinking about A350-900/-1000 to replace their 747s? Should they require a VLA wouldn't 77X or 747-8i make more sense?
CI: They are ordering 77W
KE: With 10xA380 and 5x747-8i on order it seems its 16x744 replacement is done

Having said all that, does anyone know why A380 was flying from Hawaii to HK recently? If HA is not interested, which airline(s) was Airbus demonstrating to?

[Edited 2012-12-13 05:18:47]

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2012-12-13 05:19:36 and read 68358 times.

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 51):
Having said all that, does anyone know why A380 was flying from Hawaii to HK recently? If HA is not interested, which airline(s) was Airbus demonstrating to?

Island Air?  

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: oldeuropean
Posted 2012-12-13 05:22:53 and read 68166 times.

My bet is on CX!  

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Bthebest
Posted 2012-12-13 05:38:28 and read 67667 times.

Quoting Focker (Reply 48):
The article states:

The company says a multibillion-pound order for 100 A320 planes from AirAsia will safeguard 1,500 Airbus jobs in the UK and 7,500 in its supply chain.

Article has been updated since my post :P but that clears it up anyway.

"AirAsias's order is for 64 of the A320neo and 36 of the A320ceo aircraft."

Would be interested to know what an A320ceo is? :P

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Focker
Posted 2012-12-13 05:46:41 and read 67155 times.

CEO = Current Engine Option, if I am not mistaken

[Edited 2012-12-13 05:47:23]

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: trent1000
Posted 2012-12-13 06:06:42 and read 66356 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
Why do I have a feeling it's going to be GA...

EK413


Ummm... because you're taking something that's either prescription or not... (meant in a friendly way).
I don't think GA has routes that would fill an A380.

CX - yes, I can see that.

NH - I'd like to see that, but can't see them filling seats because travel is far too seasonal from Japan.
VS - possibly
BA - don't think so - and equally no more to EK or QF.

I hope it will be UA!
I believe the A380 could serve major routes such as LAX/SYD/MEL or LAX or SFO/LHR or FRA (or others).

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Mark2fly1034
Posted 2012-12-13 06:08:34 and read 66282 times.

I am going to go out on a limb here and say Win Air or Cape Air. DL would be nice seeing as they are buying 49% of airlines this week, they need something next week.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: fcogafa
Posted 2012-12-13 06:15:48 and read 66066 times.

The British press often say 'xxx jobs will be safeguarded by this event' which means absolutely nothing as those jobs weren't in danger in the first place as there are one or two other orders outstanding....!.

Spin spin spin....

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-12-13 06:21:33 and read 65902 times.

Congrats to Airbus and whoever it is that will be ordering it. However ...

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 18):
I hope it will be CX..
Quoting qf340500 (Reply 20):
Please, let it be CX
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 34):
I dearly hope it is CX

... etc.

Personally, I hope it won't be.

Besides, I'd be very surprised if they did, because so far they have avoided committing to any aircraft larger than the 777-300ER and A350-1000 because that's what suits their model best. The 777-300ER and the A350-1000 both offer better cargo carrying capabilities than the A380, as does the 747-8, when passengers and bags are taken into account.

Quoting qf340500 (Reply 17):
They have a lot of competition with A380s in service or arriving: Singapore Airlines, Korean Air, Asiana, China Southern, Malaysia Airlines, Thai...

I don't think that should have any relevance to an airline's decision on which plane they order. Just because other airlines are operating it doesn't mean they have to; it has to suit them as well.

Quoting na (Reply 44):
And such plane would largely carry on the comfort and passenger appeal shortfalls the 77W now has against the 748I and A380.

Such as?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 50):
Which are those exactly? Seats, pitch and IFE are independant from airframe size. Cabin noise? Not a good argument. I'd prefer engine/outside noise over snorring or loudly chatting people around me any time. Noise-cancelling headphones work in any case. Smoother cruise? No, I have experienced significant turbulence on the A380.

        

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: SKAirbus
Posted 2012-12-13 06:27:19 and read 65668 times.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 46):
BA already has the A380 on order, and I doubt LHR has enough space to build more A380 gates.

The masterplan for LHR states that a third satellite may be built at Terminal 5 (T5D), which could add quite a few A380 gates.. there are already a couple at T5B and quite a few at T5C. There'll be space.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: babybus
Posted 2012-12-13 06:28:35 and read 65534 times.

QR really need to order a whole new tranche of A380s to keep up with EK. QR's 3 vs EK's 30 is a major imbalance.

I would also think BA will need to order more. An iconic international airline flying around with twin jets doesn't inspire confidence or send out the right image for the UK post Olympics.

We probably will see a lot more orders in 2013 as airlines around the world see what the A380 has done for the current airlines it serves and passenger satisfaction.

I'd like it to be Iberia but I doubt that will ever happen.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: slinky09
Posted 2012-12-13 06:33:22 and read 65413 times.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 46):
BA already has the A380 on order, and I doubt LHR has enough space to build more A380 gates.

HAL is converting more gates at T3 to be A380 compatible. So if T3 is needing more A380 gates we might have to consider who flies there    
Quoting trent1000 (Reply 56):
VS - possibly

Already 'on the books'.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: VCy
Posted 2012-12-13 06:39:15 and read 65150 times.

Why not Aeroflot?   or LATAM? would be interesting.. sure GRU & GIG have enough traffic!

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: TK787
Posted 2012-12-13 06:40:05 and read 65093 times.

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 51):
TK: Only recently did they announce substantial A330+77W orders. Do they still need A380?

Exactly my feelings, no way TK is ordering another wide body until a brand new airport is up and running in Istanbul, mostly likely by 2018.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-12-13 06:55:59 and read 64695 times.

Quoting spantax (Reply 6):
Ryanair (999 PAX configuration). 

Na... 666 passengers.   

Quoting KL911 (Reply 46):
I doubt LHR has enough space to build more A380 gates.

What about Terminal 2 and the fact a third of those gates will accommodate the A380?

http://photolibrary.heathrow.com/focusOn.aspx

There is mention of a T5D in wikipedia that is planned. There is certainly more space at T5C for the A380, so even if T5D only takes other aircraft, it would free up space for the A388.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Heathrow_Terminal_5

I see MASSIVE room for growth at LHR for the A380.

As already noted:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 60):
There'll be space.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: ogshelly
Posted 2012-12-13 06:56:54 and read 64483 times.

What about Aeromexico or LAN?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: gokmengs
Posted 2012-12-13 06:56:56 and read 64585 times.

As much as I would like to see TK order the A380 we can take them off the list. Only recently the CEO suggested that TK needs VLA's but will not be ordering them till at least 2016 when they have a clear picture of the new airport situation. Right after that statement they announced the 777/330 order which is significant.
Also note at its current layout IST is not capable of regular A380 service...

My bet is that it will be CX, the launch 380 and the 380 they would get has improved significantly, and they will finally pull the trigger IMO.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: BommerJan
Posted 2012-12-13 06:59:47 and read 64479 times.

[quote=airlinebuilder,reply=22]"The French and the British are certainly happy that PAL is giving them a big chunk of the business via the acquisition of Airbus aircraft that include A330s, A320s, A340s, A319s, as well as A350s and A380s"
- The Philippine Star BUSINESS section Spy Bits by Babe G. Romualdez

......this can be that "order" remember Philippine Airlines got 36 more orders to go....

The French and the BRITISH? ...... Only goes to show that "Babe" has no insights  .....

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: flood
Posted 2012-12-13 07:04:35 and read 64261 times.

Must be a top-up order from Kingfisher   

My guess would be CX.
My wish would be a US carrier.
My 'fear' would be more for EK or an unexciting top-up elsewhere.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: scbriml
Posted 2012-12-13 07:39:50 and read 63113 times.

Quoting flood (Reply 69):
unexciting top-up

There's such a thing where the A380 is concerned?  Wow!

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: neutrino
Posted 2012-12-13 07:45:12 and read 62896 times.

Quoting Focker (Reply 55):
CEO = Current Engine Option, if I am not mistaken

You are not mistaken.  

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: SKAirbus
Posted 2012-12-13 07:45:29 and read 62902 times.

Quoting BommerJan (Reply 68):
The French and the BRITISH? ...... Only goes to show that "Babe" has no insights .....

Does no one know anything about Airbus production?? I'm not going to repeat myself again.. scroll up!

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: AR385
Posted 2012-12-13 07:51:48 and read 62659 times.

Quoting babybus (Reply 61):
I'd like it to be Iberia but I doubt that will ever happen.

Iberia has no use for them, except on MAD-MEX and MAD-EZE. They´ve already said they won´t go for a special, small subfleet for only two routes.

Quoting ogshelly (Reply 66):
What about Aeromexico or LAN?

Same thing with AM. They could only make it work on MEX-MAD, maybe, big maybe, MEX-CDG and MEX-GRU But if they were going to buy a VLA they would go for the 747-8i, not the A380. I don´t know about LA, but their business model is strongly based on the 767/787, not on a VLA.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-13 07:57:16 and read 62496 times.

I'd be surprised to see TK order either the 747-8 or A380-800 right now. They just added a significant order of 777-300ERs and A330-300s that will be pushing operations at IST.

As for NH and JL, both appear to not currently be interested in VLAs (they're retiring their 747-400 fleets) so an order would be significant on that basis (as well as their long and close relationship with Boeing).

PA would be a surprise for much the same reason as NH/JL (phasing out 747s) and their CEO has stated that the A380-800 could encounter issues operating out of Philippine airports.

If I had to put money down, I'd say EK will be adding another score or two.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: something
Posted 2012-12-13 09:26:12 and read 59400 times.

Maybe we can narrow the field down by deduction?

1. What airlines are big enough to buy A380s?

2. Of those, which of them have ruled buying A380s out (KL, IB, TK, DL etc.)

3. What does significant mean? (Likely ''substantial'').

3.1. What is substantial? (20+?)

4. Why is the news not bigger? (Rules out unexpected buyers)

5. Why does the news take place in 2012? (Airline that wants to write off big profits? Airbus can write off the wing repairs and asked an airline to generate some profit they can write those expenses off of?)

6. Why has that airline not bought A380s before? (MTOW increase and wing fix etc. aren't new. Maybe an airline that loses traffic to the A380-owning competition eg. Garuda, surrounded by A380 airlines, other changes in the company?)

7. What airline has the money for A380s?

8. How do the airlines left at this point announce orders (EK on air shows, China on state visits.. any of those in sight?)

9. Are there any indications from ''surprise buyers''? (Like Skymark. Garuda has mentioned interest, apparently so has Philippines?)

Personally, I think it will be Etihad. They seem to have gotten very aggressive recently. They've bought themselves into Air Berlin, Air France and KLM and now Kingfisher. They have the money. They have the infrastructure. They have A380s on order. 20 A380s for EY doesn't seem unrealistic. Maybe they can fly A380s into India under Kingfisher flight numbers? Maybe EY is just trying to expand more aggressively with this move to compete with EK?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: kaitak
Posted 2012-12-13 09:27:56 and read 59344 times.

Can it be said that no airline is publicly interested (indeed, may be publicly disinterested/dismissive!) until they actually do the deed!

I think all of the possible options have been listed in the thread. I tend to think that TK is a possibility, likewise CA and CX, but I am not expecting CX to order until the middle of next year - but of course, if Airbus gives them a good deal, why wait.

The thing about CX is that they are phasing out 744s and with new products being added to their 77W fleet, capacity is being reduced on this types (I think a four class 77W has about 278 seats, although not all are in that config); however, on primary route like LAX, SFO, JFK and LHR, that means losing quite a bit of capacity. So, this - to me - means that CX is a strong possibility, even if they don't order now.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: goosebayguy
Posted 2012-12-13 09:30:03 and read 59211 times.

Interesting that not long ago many here were saying the A380 would never sell many more. Yet now there are so many airlines that are being lined up for this order that its going to be a huge success!

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: astuteman
Posted 2012-12-13 09:35:16 and read 59038 times.

Quoting something (Reply 75):
Why has that airline not bought A380s before? (MTOW increase and wing fix etc. aren't new

True.

But enablers like available production slots in a timely manner, or appropriate financing, might be "new".

Rgds

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: fcogafa
Posted 2012-12-13 09:43:10 and read 58766 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 65):
I see MASSIVE room for growth at LHR for the A380.

Heathrow is a relatively small airport, there is not space for 'massive' numbers of A380s. Many of the taxiways cannot accept code F aircraft and it will be many years before they will be able to.

Two additional stands, 340 & 342 have/are being converted in T3 to accomodate the current operators, (yesterday SIA and UAE both used stand 342), so more expansion in T3 is not near. In fact space is at such a premium that the conversion of those two stands meant the closing of another one....

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: phxa340
Posted 2012-12-13 09:56:01 and read 58303 times.

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 77):

Lets slow down a little bit , were talking about an order that hasn't been confirmed nor do we even know who the buyer is. Will it be a success ? Probably. Will many more new operators order it ? Probably not. It is a niche aircraft. As for the order - my money is on EK , just don't see any others , I hope to be pleasantly surprised however.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: YTZ
Posted 2012-12-13 10:12:02 and read 57703 times.

I'll be more impressed if it's not EK/EY or QR.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: EBGflyer
Posted 2012-12-13 10:33:19 and read 57141 times.

I'm surprised only one here mentions China Southern (CZ). They only ordered 5 and had 4 deliveries so far. Maybe they'd like to top op before they get their final frame. It would be likely for the following reasons:
1) They are content with the performance so far and since it's not really efficient to have such a small subfleet, they will get more
2) The EU-CHINA ETS issue has been put to rest for a while.
3) They have financing

Another suggestion could be Air China. If not perhaps Qatar Airways.

[Edited 2012-12-13 10:55:43]

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: VCy
Posted 2012-12-13 10:36:41 and read 57014 times.

I still believe it could be Aeroflot  

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2012-12-13 10:47:28 and read 56715 times.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 25):
Under their current restrictions that would leave them with MEX, YVR, YUL and YYZ as possible destinations

And MEX and YUL are not going to happen... like ever.

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 28):
ou guys can for certanly take DL off the list.

Agree. I would think DL would order the 77W before the 748i, let alone the A380.

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 51):
TK: Only recently did they announce substantial A330+77W orders. Do they still need A380?

I agree it is unlikely that TK is the customer. Then again, they have surprised us in the past.

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 51):
KE: With 10xA380 and 5x747-8i on order it seems its 16x744 replacement is done

Good point. However, I think we will see in the medium term a follow-on order of a few more A380s or a few more 748s. If such a follow-on order for A380s materializes, I would not call it significant.

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 56):
NH - I'd like to see that, but can't see them filling seats because travel is far too seasonal from Japan.

Unless they want them for domestic flights in a high-density config?

Quoting ogshelly (Reply 66):
What about Aeromexico or LAN?

No way. AR385 has already explained AM would only be able to deploy them to MAD and GRU (EZE during peak travel periods maybe?). I don't think CDG could support it. Back when AM ordered the 789s, they mentioned they "considered the 748i" for the MAD and GRU routes and then "decided to go for frequency over capacity",but even that remark was not credible IMHO. Maybe 10 or 20 years down the road we will see a V.L.A. order from AM but definitely not now.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2012-12-13 11:00:23 and read 56353 times.

Quoting Wisdom (Reply 32):
SQ

They just announced to order 5 additional airframes but the order is not yet firm. So I would find it very dissapointing if JL classify a top-up-order for 5 airframes as "significant".

Furthermore, I am suprised that so many think about TK as they clearly said "not now" just very recently.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: ER757
Posted 2012-12-13 12:08:30 and read 54435 times.

Unless my usually very reliable sources are wrong, it's not EK.
I am among the crowd who think it's probably CX, but I'm going to toss a wild-card out there - KL

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: IwantaBBJ
Posted 2012-12-13 12:57:52 and read 52983 times.

Ryanair maybe?

    

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: AirlineCritic
Posted 2012-12-13 12:58:57 and read 52993 times.

My money is on EK adding 30 frames, launch of A380-900, and converting a few existing orders to the same model as well.

But it could also be EY, CZ, or SU.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: cedarjet
Posted 2012-12-13 13:06:03 and read 52830 times.

Cedarjet's bet is United. Their 747s are among the oldest in the business and there are a load of routes they fly that can't be flown with anything less than jumbo capacity - namely, Australia, and their routes from SFO, ORD and NYC to Japan and China. A 777 replacing a 747 is a major step down in capacity and I don't think they're ready to cede that kind of market share to Qantas, Delta, JAL, Nippon, Air China et al.

Come on United Air Lines!

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: something
Posted 2012-12-13 13:07:23 and read 52698 times.

Quoting astuteman (Reply 78):
But enablers like available production slots in a timely manner, or appropriate financing, might be "new".

Where would those (earlier) production slots come from, especially in ''significant'' proportions? Financing can indeed play a role, though most A380 operators are in healthy financial shape. The cost of capital has been stagnant (low) for a while now as well.

I'm only speculating as I have zero insight on the situation beyond what is publicly known. For all I/we know, the term significant could just as well mean ''unexpected/mile stone'' (as opposed to ''substantial'') and it's El Al taking up those Kingfisher slots.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: petera380
Posted 2012-12-13 13:07:45 and read 52707 times.

I'll go for easyJet  

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: fcogafa
Posted 2012-12-13 13:13:03 and read 52515 times.

Quoting something (Reply 90):
I'm only speculating as I have zero insight on the situation beyond what is publicly known. For all I/we know, the term significant could just as well mean ''unexpected/mile stone'' (as opposed to ''substantial'') and it's El Al taking up those Kingfisher slots.

An order for 5 would be 'significant' in a year where the order book totals 4......

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Hooverman
Posted 2012-12-13 13:13:46 and read 52489 times.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 89):
Cedarjet's bet is United.

I don't see that happening.
I thought they ordered 787/350 to replace the 744.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: HoMsaR
Posted 2012-12-13 13:14:30 and read 52519 times.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 89):
Cedarjet's bet is United. Their 747s are among the oldest in the business and there are a load of routes they fly that can't be flown with anything less than jumbo capacity - namely, Australia, and their routes from SFO, ORD and NYC to Japan and China. A 777 replacing a 747 is a major step down in capacity and I don't think they're ready to cede that kind of market share to Qantas, Delta, JAL, Nippon, Air China et al.

UA is already going to be downgauging their ORD routes to 777s next spring. I don't think any 747s fly out of the NY area for UA at the moment.

As for my guess, I'd say Pan Am is coming back from the dead and ordering A380s.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2012-12-13 13:18:58 and read 52430 times.

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 80):
It is a niche aircraft.

We are approaching 300 orders. Just out of curiosity – starting from which number would you classify the A 380 as a non-niche-aircraft?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-12-13 13:25:54 and read 52250 times.

The only reason they're refocusing the 744 fleet is for maintainability. They've been having some challenges related to the 744s lately.

That being said, the A350 order is intended to be the plane that flies the 744 routes, although I really cannot see the A350-900 being enough airplane for that.

NS

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: fcogafa
Posted 2012-12-13 13:25:57 and read 52224 times.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 95):
We are approaching 300 orders. Just out of curiosity – starting from which number would you classify the A 380 as a non-niche-aircraft?

A bit of an optimistic comment? Wiki shows 262 orders of which around 25 must be classed as a bit suspect

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2012-12-13 13:36:55 and read 51861 times.

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 97):
A bit of an optimistic comment?

Yes, could be due to the half empty bottle of wine standing next to me...  
Quoting fcogafa (Reply 97):
Wiki shows 262 orders of which around 25 must be classed as a bit suspect

Well, I said "approaching", I didn't say "final approach".

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: phxa340
Posted 2012-12-13 13:41:47 and read 51727 times.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 95):

Niche - as in it only fits into a minority of airlines business plans. I wouldn't place a sales volume on it. The Mini Cooper is a niche car but they sell the heck out of them.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: fcogafa
Posted 2012-12-13 13:50:03 and read 51548 times.

To me, the elephant in the room is Skymark - they are very rarely mentioned on these pages but how likely are they to actually operate the aircraft?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: astuteman
Posted 2012-12-13 14:00:17 and read 51261 times.

Quoting something (Reply 90):
Where would those (earlier) production slots come from, especially in ''significant'' proportions?

I didn't say "earlier". I said "in a timely manner" - i.e. as another year passes and 30 more planes get delivered, more slots start to come into the range that customers will consider for ordering...

Rgds

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: brilondon
Posted 2012-12-13 14:02:51 and read 51337 times.

Quoting shanxz (Reply 1):
3. Hainan Airlines
Quoting na (Reply 16):
Delta
United

My money would be on Hainan Airlines. As before and continuing today, UA and DL will probably not order the A380 as their route structure is not conducive to having a VLA. I know that they have the 744 and that those aircraft will eventually need replacing, but I believe that those replacements would come in the form of A359/10 or the 777-X variant.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: BasilFawlty
Posted 2012-12-13 14:08:19 and read 51173 times.

Hmm, in my view CA, CX and TK are the most likely candidates. My wild-card would be for SV.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: EPA001
Posted 2012-12-13 15:40:59 and read 49364 times.

Quoting AirbusA370 (Reply 14):
-800 or -900?  

-1000! .

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 18):
I've got a feeling BA may top up their order.

Could be. I am expecting them to do so considering the big 747-fleet which will need replacement some day.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 18):
However, I hope it will be CX..

Me too!  .

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 51):
My guess is CX, followed by BA, with TK and GA possible but less likely.

Especially TK I would now consider to be unlikely with the latest large orders they placed at Airbus (A330) and Boeing (B77W)

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 56):
I hope it will be UA!

That would be something, wouldn't it?  .

Quoting babybus (Reply 61):
QR really need to order a whole new tranche of A380s to keep up with EK.

But do they want to keep up with EK in EK style? Or will they go on an build on a bit smaller planes?

Quoting Stitch (Reply 74):
I'd be surprised to see TK order either the 747-8 or A380-800 right now. They just added a significant order of 777-300ERs and A330-300s that will be pushing operations at IST.

Agreed. TK is unlikely to be a candidate for this announcement.

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 88):
My money is on EK adding 30 frames, launch of A380-900, and converting a few existing orders to the same model as well.

You are very optimistic. It is in my opinion too soon for the launch of the A380-900. Mid 2015 with EIS in 2020 would be a better time I guess.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-12-13 15:47:29 and read 49260 times.

Considering DL are going ahead with a 49% stake takeover of VS would it be possible that DL have decided to take on VS A380 order and topped it up with an additional 10 frames to replace the B744 fleet from 2017 which was the latest delivery date for VS A380s...

EK413

[Edited 2012-12-13 16:00:57]

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: EGPH
Posted 2012-12-13 15:51:32 and read 49168 times.

I would suggest CX as a real possibility on this one. Would like to see KL or IB order though, really do think KL might decide in the future the A380 is for them. IB not going to happen unless they change strategy and decide to offer more long haul than just LatAm

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: cedarjet
Posted 2012-12-13 16:15:20 and read 48790 times.

I'm repeating myself but I say again, cos no-one else is saying it - UNITED UNITED UNITED. Only Gigneil is talking sense here - and he's right - no way do you go from a 747 to an A350. That's a cut in capacity of 50% at a stroke. No way. They need a big plane, and it almost certainly won't be 747-822s (although that would also be nice).

Quoting gigneil (Reply 96):
the A350 order is intended to be the plane that flies the 744 routes, although I really cannot see the A350-900 being enough airplane for that.

If Airbus are about to announce a new A380 customer, I'm telling you, it's United.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-13 16:37:54 and read 48465 times.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 107):
I'm repeating myself but I say again, cos no-one else is saying it - UNITED UNITED UNITED. Only Gigneil is talking sense here - and he's right - no way do you go from a 747 to an A350. That's a cut in capacity of 50% at a stroke. No way.

United assuredly has the option of converting some or all of those A350-900 orders into A350-1000s, which would significantly close the gap to the 747-400.

Also, UA just down-gauged LAX-NRT to a 787-8 so they seem to be quite ready to gut capacity in order to shore up yields.




Quoting EK413 (Reply 105):
Considering DL are going ahead with a 49% stake takeover of VS would it be possible that DL have decided to take on VS A380 order and topped it up with an additional 10 frames to replace the B744 fleet from 2017 which was the latest delivery date for VS A380s...

DL is husbanding their cash by purchasing used airframes. There is zero chance they're going to drop tens of billions on brand new A380-800s.   

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: avek00
Posted 2012-12-13 17:00:02 and read 48066 times.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 107):
That's a cut in capacity of 50% at a stroke.

No, it's not. Remember, United only seats about 360 people in its 744s.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: thegeek
Posted 2012-12-13 17:06:25 and read 47881 times.

Can't see that many of the proposed new customers would count as a "significant order", unless perhaps UA or CX. I say it isn't going to be CX ordering the A388. More likely we are seeing the launch order for the A380-900. Or I've gotten worked up for nothing.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: n471wn
Posted 2012-12-13 17:10:30 and read 47956 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 108):

DL is husbanding their cash by purchasing used airframes

Another example of why Delta is smarter than other carriers--------As a 40-year WN customer and raving SWA fan, nonetheless I am admiring Delta more and more on what they are doing!!

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Lutfi
Posted 2012-12-13 17:17:27 and read 47820 times.

Cathay, no. They will look at VLA this year, but too soon for an order, My guess is Etihad

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: pliersinsight
Posted 2012-12-13 17:41:52 and read 47458 times.

Perhaps a bit out in left field, but any thoughts about high capacity domestic use....say between airports on Japan or within China, ala the 747 Domestic?

Out of the box thinking I'm sure, looking forward to the shots over the bow.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: rotating14
Posted 2012-12-13 18:12:52 and read 47021 times.

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 100):

They have 6 on order at the moment unless things have changed since then.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...rk-airlines-orders-two-more-a380s/

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: AR385
Posted 2012-12-13 18:22:51 and read 46882 times.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 84):
(EZE during peak travel periods maybe?).

I´m not so sure. EZE is very seasonal for MEX-EZE, and AR is not going to remain a basketcase forever. And if they ever come back to be as what they were in the 80s, they´ll be a force to reckon with. I´m talking long term here...

Quoting EGPH (Reply 106):
Would like to see KL or IB order though

IB is just not going to happen for at least a decade.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: CCA
Posted 2012-12-13 18:41:55 and read 46791 times.

Well considering Airbus had its test A380 in the HAECO hangar yesterday and Airbus was at CX plus drinks were held in the A/C last night, I'd say Airbus is pushing hard at CX.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2012-12-13 18:48:55 and read 46547 times.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 115):
I´m not so sure. EZE is very seasonal for MEX-EZE, and AR is not going to remain a basketcase forever. And if they ever come back to be as what they were in the 80s, they´ll be a force to reckon with. I´m talking long term here...

Good point. I guess this reinforces our previous assessment that A380s are a no-go for AM.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: AR385
Posted 2012-12-13 19:29:25 and read 46022 times.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 117):
I guess this reinforces our previous assessment that A380s are a no-go for AM.

I think so. Besides, I can´t see them not going with the 748i, if they wanted a VLA. The relationship with Boeing is too cozy, plus NAFTA and the synergies such a purchase could generate, specially in QRO.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: lostsound
Posted 2012-12-13 20:10:55 and read 45511 times.

Air Canada...    Now that'd be unexpected!

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-12-13 20:19:18 and read 45583 times.

Bugger reality. I doubt this will happen, this is what I would LIKE to see:



Yeh, yeh, I know.  

mariner

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: afterburner
Posted 2012-12-13 20:24:11 and read 45233 times.

Quoting shanxz (Reply 1):
2. Garuda Indonesia

I don't think Garuda needs VLA's in the near future.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: qf340500
Posted 2012-12-13 20:24:56 and read 45316 times.

mariner, now THATS a beauty!!!

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: art
Posted 2012-12-13 21:01:06 and read 44939 times.

I thought CX wanted an aircraft with greater range than A380 offered. A380 has lost some weight in the last 5 years. Engines have improved fuel burn as well. Range must have increased. Might range have increased enough to make it useable for more CX routes than the "original" version?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: thegeek
Posted 2012-12-13 21:12:17 and read 44769 times.

Quoting art (Reply 123):
I thought CX wanted an aircraft with greater range than A380 offered. A380 has lost some weight in the last 5 years. Engines have improved fuel burn as well. Range must have increased. Might range have increased enough to make it useable for more CX routes than the "original" version?

CX's main objection was cargo volume.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: gr09
Posted 2012-12-13 21:46:24 and read 44554 times.

And how about this one?   
http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00011303

But seriously, I hope for CX as I would like to see a new livery but any new plane is a good plane so I'm looking forward to the announcement.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: JohnClipper
Posted 2012-12-13 21:52:22 and read 44407 times.

I prefer CX going with 747-8i instead of A380...

 

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: flylonghaul
Posted 2012-12-13 22:02:38 and read 44444 times.

My money would be on CX provided this is ACTUALLY significant, and not just hype.

I'd love to snap shots of a UA 380 in SYD though  

Maybe we are all wrong and some one will surprise us. Oman Air taking on Goliath   

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: TWA772LR
Posted 2012-12-13 22:09:35 and read 44333 times.

I got my money on Great Lakes.  

I'm calling CX. Or Jet Airways or Air India.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: india1
Posted 2012-12-13 22:25:32 and read 44115 times.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 128):
I'm calling CX. Or Jet Airways or Air India.

No way Air India, even if it means money for certain bureaucrats! They're a complete mess.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: abba
Posted 2012-12-13 23:25:40 and read 43374 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 124):
CX's main objection was cargo volume.


I think that Art is right - the cargo volume argument seems to me to be mostly a-net wisdom often enough questioned by people who should know CXs operations well. I think CX either wanted more range or more capacity (-900). I feel CX is one of the main candidates for this order for the reasons Art mentions.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: btblue
Posted 2012-12-14 00:11:01 and read 42688 times.

Iberia...

Filler
Filler
Filler

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: AR385
Posted 2012-12-14 00:12:54 and read 42719 times.

Quoting btblue (Reply 131):
Iberia...

Not going to happen.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: garpd
Posted 2012-12-14 00:23:11 and read 42540 times.

Quoting btblue (Reply 131):
Iberia...

Guess you didn't catch the news about their fleet simplification and job cuts program then?
Iberia have currently neither the need nor the means to order the A380.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-12-14 00:31:46 and read 42474 times.

Quoting JohnClipper (Reply 126):
I prefer CX going with 747-8i instead of A380...

   Likewise. The 747-8i would look great in CX colours.

Quoting abba (Reply 130):
I think that Art is right - the cargo volume argument seems to me to be mostly a-net wisdom often enough questioned by people who should know CXs operations well.

Perhaps you're right, but if it is more than "a.net wisdom", then it's a legitimate concern. When pax and bags are accounted for, there are fewer LD3 positions available on the A380 for revenue cargo than on the 777-300ER or A350-1000, both of which CX have ordered in significant numbers. As a large part of CX's operation is cargo based, it's logical - at least, to me - to conclude that at least part of the reason that the A380 hasn't found its way into CX's fleet is because of its relative lack of cargo volume.

CX A380? I'll believe it when I see it.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: oldeuropean
Posted 2012-12-14 00:50:10 and read 42078 times.

Quoting gr09 (Reply 125):
And how about this one?

This would be nice ... but please with another livery. This one is soooo boring!
 

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: sutrakhk
Posted 2012-12-14 01:05:04 and read 41874 times.

My bet would go for CX

The A380 is sitting next to the runway at HKG waiting the good news:
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z23/sutrakhk/Flight/Misc/380.jpg

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: uaeflyer
Posted 2012-12-14 01:14:32 and read 41602 times.

Maybe a different customers negotiating at the same time


I would put SV & CX on the top of the guessing list

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2012-12-14 01:35:59 and read 41272 times.

Quoting art (Reply 123):

I thought CX wanted an aircraft with greater range than A380 offered. A380 has lost some weight in the last 5 years. Engines have improved fuel burn as well. Range must have increased. Might range have increased enough to make it useable for more CX routes than the "original" version?

There is no route in CX network that the A380 can not operate, so why would they need more range from it?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: airlinebuilder
Posted 2012-12-14 01:42:22 and read 41117 times.

can it be Hong Kong Express, they are re organizing the airline to be a LCC nextyear and China market is one big load market.

or a crazy forecast Cebu Pacific Air ")

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Heavierthanair
Posted 2012-12-14 01:59:34 and read 40929 times.

G´day

They are visiting Hong Kong with the A 380, so it is likely that one or several potential customers are from that general area, which besides airlines located in Hong Kong could also include airlines from the south of China. Likely not from Taiwan, else they would have flown the A 380 there unless of course the Taiwanese want to avoid publicity on their negotiations.

But then Leahy is in in the UK now - or was yesterday for the Air Asia announcement, so who is negotiating?

The question also arises why they stopped over in Hawaii, not really the most direct route to Hong Kong. I do not see Hawaiian to buy the thing, but why then did they visit Hawaii. I doubt they did that to confuse us A-netters  

Cheers

Peter

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: MCO2BRS
Posted 2012-12-14 02:03:58 and read 40803 times.

Could this be a firming up of the HX order that has been hanging in limbo for a while now?

How about a combined CX/KA order?

Cheers,

MCO 2 BRS

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: r2rho
Posted 2012-12-14 02:49:36 and read 40208 times.

I think the MTOW and aero improvements being introduced from the 1st BA a/c onwards may have finally convinced CX. The recent Hawaii visit is probably just a little thank you bonus to HA for being a good Airbus customer, maybe some general marketing tour combined with long-range flight tests. The visit to HKG however may be no coincidence....

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 138):
There is no route in CX network that the A380 can not operate, so why would they need more range from it?

More "marketing spec" range no. More payload-range yes. LAX-HKG comes to mind.

As for TK or UA... not yet... but eventually...

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: something
Posted 2012-12-14 03:16:19 and read 39954 times.

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 141):
Could this be a firming up of the HX order that has been hanging in limbo for a while now?

I could very well see that. I seriously doubt it's CX. They are such a smart airline, they would have already bought A388 if they needed/wanted them.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2012-12-14 03:36:04 and read 39762 times.

As for people thinking this could be firming of orders. The article says Leahy is hopeful for a memorandum of understanding before year-end with the firm order in 2013. So that takes that theory out of play.

Of course, that quote can be wrong and they actually meant firming of an order, but in that case we might as well not take the whole article into consideration then.

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-14 03:36:27 and read 39812 times.

CX always showed interest for the improved A380 with the extra range and now you can order it. CX could be behind the 'significant order', maybe 10 or 12 frames.

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 141):
Could this be a firming up of the HX order that has been hanging in limbo for a while now?

That order was already been firmed up.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: airlinebuilder
Posted 2012-12-14 03:54:01 and read 39673 times.

Must CX be the candidate to the A380, that will the last nail to the B748i, forever it will be a rare breed. I still hope 6 frames for Philippine Airlines with options for 4 considering its transpacific targets of New York, Chicago, Miami

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Bthebest
Posted 2012-12-14 04:04:28 and read 39552 times.

I'd like to see BAs next step in their longhaul fleet renewal. Think I remember reading somewhere that they were planning to have a decision by end of 2012, or was it 2013?

I think they will definitely get some more A380s, maybe 10 or 15 more. Along with some more 77W and then probably wait and see what Boeing will do with the 777-X for the rest of their 747 replacement.

Other than BA, I see CX, CI, KL, UA and then a bunch of top up orders at a later date.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: something
Posted 2012-12-14 04:15:02 and read 39482 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 145):
Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 141):
Could this be a firming up of the HX order that has been hanging in limbo for a while now?

That order was already been firmed up.

''Hainan Airlines’ subsidiary Hong Kong Airlines is considering changing out its Airbus A380 orders in favor of the A330 [...] Hainan Airlines Group chairman Chen Feng said the company is in negotiations with Airbus but no final decision has been made.''

''The Chinese government reportedly blocked the order earlier this year, in part to express its disapproval of Chinese carriers' inclusion in the European Union Emissions Trading Scheme (EU ETS), which has been suspended one year to allow time for ICAO to finalize a global scheme.''

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...airlines-may-switch-a380-a330-1207

HX has been treated as a canceled order already. Maybe now with the ETS suspended there's a chance those A380 will be delivered.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: airlinebuilder
Posted 2012-12-14 04:17:37 and read 39413 times.

no one in this forum as answered my query yet, must there be an order for an ASAP delivery for the A380, where will airbus take it from and how soon can it be delivered? are the canceled frames on the production line already?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: abba
Posted 2012-12-14 04:18:03 and read 39403 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 134):
then it's a legitimate concern


Then I have to ask the question: "For who?"
Perhaps it is a legitimate concern for YOU that CX is not going to have that much cargo on the routes that they might use the A380 to serve. But again - according to people who are in a position to know how CX operates - this might not be a concern for CX...

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 134):
As a large part of CX's operation is cargo based, it's logical - at least, to me - to conclude that at least part of the reason that the A380 hasn't found its way into CX's fleet is because of its relative lack of cargo volume.


Perhaps it is logical to you. However, it is not what CX has been saying. And I will not pretend to be able to read their silent harts and minds.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: scouseflyer
Posted 2012-12-14 04:38:34 and read 39153 times.

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 149):
no one in this forum as answered my query yet, must there be an order for an ASAP delivery for the A380, where will airbus take it from and how soon can it be delivered? are the canceled frames on the production line already?

There is a mention in the ilnked article that there are no available slots till 2015 but if an order is cancelled when the plane is already being made they will be resold. For someone who's really desperate there's also MSN002 which appears to of been deferred or cancelled by the VVIP customer.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: JerseyFlyer
Posted 2012-12-14 04:41:30 and read 39378 times.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 76):
The thing about CX is that they are phasing out 744s and with new products being added to their 77W fleet, capacity is being reduced on this types (I think a four class 77W has about 278 seats, although not all are in that config); however, on primary route like LAX, SFO, JFK and LHR, that means losing quite a bit of capacity. So, this - to me - means that CX is a strong possibility, even if they don't order now.

There may be some early slot availablility, given the HKA and Kingfisher likely cancellations.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 102):
My money would be on Hainan Airlines

........except for the fact that their subsidiary HKA is said to want to cancel at least some of their 10 already on firm order.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 142):
The recent Hawaii visit is probably just a little thank you bonus to HA for being a good Airbus customer, maybe some general marketing tour

Maybe negotiating a swap of the A358s for A359s?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: lostsound
Posted 2012-12-14 04:43:46 and read 39409 times.

If Cathay is going with a VLA I expect it to be the A380. In fact I'm pretty sure CX's only hold back on the A380 was to wait for an A380-900 option. They want capacity, and the A380 offers significantly more than the 748i.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Heavierthanair
Posted 2012-12-14 04:44:37 and read 39386 times.

G´day

If - emphasis on IF - CX is going to buy the A 380 it will be as a people mover, freight will be of little consideration. It is more than likely however that where a lot of people are being moved also a lot of freight is being moved, so they can more than likely use a dedicated freighter on that same route.   

So the A-net mantra that the A 380 does not carry enough freight for CX gets diluted somewhat and does not apply in my opinion. Fact is a lot of competitors are already using the A 380 into HKG making money on passengers alone and reducing the CX margin on those very routes.   

Just some more food for thought   

Cheers

Peter

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: kaitak
Posted 2012-12-14 04:44:51 and read 39359 times.

Quoting abba (Reply 150):
Quoting CXB77L (Reply 134):
As a large part of CX's operation is cargo based, it's logical - at least, to me - to conclude that at least part of the reason that the A380 hasn't found its way into CX's fleet is because of its relative lack of cargo volume.

I think that's a far point, but they have enough cargo acft in their fleet, now and on order, to make up for t
he possible shortfall of A388 cargo capacity. And it's not as if it has NO cargo capacity, just less than CX might like.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 138):
There is no route in CX network that the A380 can not operate, so why would they need more range from it?



On paper, yes, but the A346 had a very good range on paper and look what happened to that ... it left the fleet as soon as CX could get rid of them. The CX people will need a lot of convincing that the A380 can do all that Airbus says it can; for such a huge investment, CX doesn't want to jump too quickly and it will have been taking note of the experiences of other carriers, such as QF and SQ, which operate very long A388 routes. I suspect this is what it will come down to. As soon as CX is sure that the A380 can do the routes CX wants, then CX will go down this road. As I mentioned previously, the 77Ws in premium configs give CX quite a significant shortfall in pax capacity, so the need is definitely there.

My understanding is that despite the cargo version being used by CX, the 748I is not in contention.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2012-12-14 04:45:56 and read 39387 times.

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 146):
I still hope 6 frames for Philippine Airlines with options for 4 considering its transpacific targets of New York, Chicago, Miami

Their transpacific target should be to get back to Cat I status...

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-14 04:54:25 and read 39301 times.

Quoting something (Reply 148):
''Hainan Airlines’ subsidiary Hong Kong Airlines is considering changing out its Airbus A380 orders in favor of the A330 [...] Hainan Airlines Group chairman Chen Feng said the company is in negotiations with Airbus but no final decision has been made.''

''The Chinese government reportedly blocked the order earlier this year, in part to express its disapproval of Chinese carriers' inclusion in the European Union Emissions Trading Scheme (EU ETS), which has been suspended one year to allow time for ICAO to finalize a global scheme.''

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...airlines-may-switch-a380-a330-1207

HX has been treated as a canceled order already. Maybe now with the ETS suspended there's a chance those A380 will be delivered.

I know they threaten to cancel the order, but you can find the HX order in the Airbus order book so it's not a MoU as MCO2BRS suggests. They firmed it, and are now looking to cancel/swap the firm order.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: flood
Posted 2012-12-14 04:57:34 and read 39309 times.

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 146):
I still hope 6 frames for Philippine Airlines with options for 4 considering its transpacific targets of New York, Chicago, Miami

Well, NAIA does already have an A380-capable LH Technik hangar, don't they?  

That said, unfortunately I don't see them ordering any. I expect to see them sign up for some 787s in the near future though.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: CX Flyboy
Posted 2012-12-14 05:04:17 and read 39287 times.

Quoting something (Reply 148):
'Hainan Airlines’ subsidiary Hong Kong Airlines is considering changing out its Airbus A380 orders in favor of the A330 [...] Hainan Airlines Group chairman Chen Feng said the company is in negotiations with Airbus but no final decision has been made.''

There are rumours that when HX cancel their A380 order, it will free up slots that Airbus are pushing CX to take. The demo A380 is in Hong kong at the moment and Airbus reps have told one of my colleagues that they are there to demo the plane for CX. Our CEO claimed a couple of months ago that CX had not had a 'detailed' look at the 380 yet. Perhaps this is part of that detailed look. Airbus took the plane out for a few hours for a demo flight this morning with CX managers on board apparently.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Wolbo
Posted 2012-12-14 05:12:23 and read 39151 times.

Whatever happened to the Vietnam Airlines a380 MoU? Was it officially cancelled or is it still hanging out there somewhere?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: airlinebuilder
Posted 2012-12-14 05:18:07 and read 39099 times.

I was entertaining the Vietnam Airlines at the onset of the forum..... that being brought up, it most likely.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: something
Posted 2012-12-14 05:19:01 and read 39136 times.

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 159):
Quoting something (Reply 148):
'Hainan Airlines’ subsidiary Hong Kong Airlines is considering changing out its Airbus A380 orders in favor of the A330 [...] Hainan Airlines Group chairman Chen Feng said the company is in negotiations with Airbus but no final decision has been made.''

There are rumours that when HX cancel their A380 order, it will free up slots that Airbus are pushing CX to take. The demo A380 is in Hong kong at the moment and Airbus reps have told one of my colleagues that they are there to demo the plane for CX. Our CEO claimed a couple of months ago that CX had not had a 'detailed' look at the 380 yet. Perhaps this is part of that detailed look. Airbus took the plane out for a few hours for a demo flight this morning with CX managers on board apparently.

Most interesting and thank you for the insight my friend  

The reason why I rule/d CX as a buyer out is because, as previously mentioned, I'm under the impression that the company is most professionally run. CX is one of the most ''obvious'' A380 airlines. They have a lot of long flights where frequency doesn't matter, they have a lot of flights that fly at almost the exact same times, they operate into slot restricted airports like NRT, LHR and JFK, they are a premium airline that wouldn't need to put too many seats into the A380 but they also have the traffic volumes to do it.

The fact that they haven't yet bought an A380 has been a very clear statement to me that they are not interested in an airplane that size. I was expecting them to wait for the A389 to become available and then order 20+10 or so of them.

It is very hard for me to believe that the people at CX haven't even had a closer look of the A380. Hard to believe not because I doubt what you're saying, but hard to believe because I appear to have given the management at CX way too much credit.

Always a pleasure hearing from you!

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-12-14 05:23:44 and read 39140 times.

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 160):
Whatever happened to the Vietnam Airlines a380 MoU? Was it officially cancelled or is it still hanging out there somewhere?

Vietnam Airlines is/was only interested for the higher gross weight variant of the A380. And the new airport needs to be ready first. I can see some A380s in the Vietnam Airlines fleet by 2020, but not sooner.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: astuteman
Posted 2012-12-14 05:39:41 and read 39001 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 134):
When pax and bags are accounted for, there are fewer LD3 positions available on the A380 for revenue cargo than on the 777-300ER or A350-1000, both of which CX have ordered in significant numbers.

Question and answer in one sentence, perhaps?   

It's not beyond the realms of reality to schedule a passenger heavy A380, and a freight heavy 777/A350 on a given route at different times to achieve the overall objective..

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 154):
It is more than likely however that where a lot of people are being moved also a lot of freight is being moved, so they can more than likely use a dedicated freighter on that same route.

There are for sure more than one way to skin the cat  

Rgds

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: davidho1985
Posted 2012-12-14 05:44:44 and read 39049 times.

AIrbus' F-WWDD came to Hong Kong for a few days (just left Hong Kong today).
CX's staffs (or their related parties) were invitied for a visit.

Don't know if it was related to this "Significant Order"

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: KiwiRob
Posted 2012-12-14 06:49:19 and read 38577 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 65):
I see MASSIVE room for growth at LHR for the A380.

Looking something like this by 2030.

http://im.media.ft.com/content/images/ea079178-598b-11e1-8d36-00144feabdc0.img?width=961&height=726&title=&desc

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: speedygonzales
Posted 2012-12-14 06:56:21 and read 38449 times.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 166):
Looking something like this by 2030.

Who's going to fly a 707(?) in Star Alliance livery in 2030?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: petera380
Posted 2012-12-14 06:57:57 and read 38433 times.

Very nice but still only two runways and basically full!

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-14 07:06:21 and read 38484 times.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 155):
I think that's a far point, but they have enough cargo acft in their fleet, now and on order, to make up for the possible shortfall of A388 cargo capacity.

Cathay appears to be preparing to order three more 747-8Fs (Boeing has added three frames for them to their 747-8F production list)...  scratchchin 

[Edited 2012-12-14 07:06:47]

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: zeke
Posted 2012-12-14 07:17:13 and read 38308 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 169):

You have already stated on another thread that these 747-8F frames came from the Air China order, and CX dropped the 777Fs. Why make your post the way you have considering what you have posted before ?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-14 07:23:30 and read 38242 times.

Quoting zeke (Reply 170):
Why make your post the way you have considering what you have posted before ?

I made my post the way I did to tongue-in-cheek support kaitak's comments that the low revenue cargo capacity of the A380-800 can be compensated by dedicated freighters.

But as Lieutenant Saavik once noted, humor is a difficult concept for some...

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: zeke
Posted 2012-12-14 07:29:58 and read 38163 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 171):

So is telling the truth.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: art
Posted 2012-12-14 07:34:33 and read 38052 times.

Please...

Filler
Filler
Filler

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2012-12-14 10:07:50 and read 37275 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 120):
this is what I would LIKE to see:

Oh man, that is awesome! One can only wish.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: n729pa
Posted 2012-12-14 10:08:32 and read 37210 times.

Lets hope it's a new customer to start with.

Significant can be one of two things....a new customer or a large number




Maybe it's Iran Air !   

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-14 10:15:27 and read 37164 times.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 89):
Cedarjet's bet is United. Their 747s are among the oldest in the business and there are a load of routes they fly that can't be flown with anything less than jumbo capacity - namely, Australia, and their routes from SFO, ORD and NYC to Japan and China.

Those routes can be flown just fine with the 77W. I can't see any multi-hub carrier like UA (or any other US carrier) ordering the A380. If the 77W had been available when the 744 was launched, I doubt any would have ordered the 744 either.

Cargo is also important for US carriers since they don't operate dedicated freighters unlike most other A380 customers. The 77W has about 20% greater cargo capacity than the A380.

[Edited 2012-12-14 10:23:08]

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: DualQual
Posted 2012-12-14 12:55:09 and read 36855 times.

No way it's UA. If it was Smisek would have the 380 order as a lure to vote yes on the pilot TA.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2012-12-14 13:44:37 and read 36565 times.

I think this MoU, if it will come true, is not linked to current demonstration of MSN 004 in Hong Kong. It simply sounds to easy: send the demonstrator and sign a MoU just some days later.

Maybe this demonstration will help for the next MoU but not necessarily for the one John Leahy is now talking about.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: brilondon
Posted 2012-12-14 14:57:57 and read 36133 times.

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 167):
Who's going to fly a 707(?) in Star Alliance livery in 2030?

No, that is the new 797 they are debating in another thread. 

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-12-14 19:54:28 and read 35351 times.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 107):
Only Gigneil is talking sense here

There's a first time for everything.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 107):
If Airbus are about to announce a new A380 customer, I'm telling you, it's United.

But I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing  

I think they'll have to go with an A350-1000 on the routes. But still, an A380 is a lot.

NS

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: thegeek
Posted 2012-12-14 22:04:02 and read 35136 times.

Quoting abba (Reply 130):
I think that Art is right - the cargo volume argument seems to me to be mostly a-net wisdom often enough questioned by people who should know CXs operations well. I think CX either wanted more range or more capacity (-900). I feel CX is one of the main candidates for this order for the reasons Art mentions.

In 2009, the CEO was very negative about the A388: Tony Tyler (CX CEO) On CX Fleet Plans, No A380 Yet (by Lutfi Jul 30 2009 in Civil Aviation)
He doesn't specify why too clearly, but he does mention payload/range issues on LAX-HKG. Seems that the current CEO is now a bit less negative, but still hasn't ordered. This link from June may be interesting: http://translate.google.com/translat...UNmdMayeiAff_YHoDw&ved=0CGQQ7gEwBw

I always thought CX had said themselves that they didn't like the cargo "volume". Seems like they never specified volume that I can find. Thanks for pointing that out.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-12-14 23:55:19 and read 34765 times.

Quoting abba (Reply 150):
However, it is not what CX has been saying.
CX hasn't said anything on the matter except to say that the A380 didn't fit its fleet network. Mr Tyler said so in an interview several years back. The reason for that, whether it is cargo capacity or not, is pure speculation. Some may suggest that it is, others may suggest that it's not.

Quoting astuteman (Reply 164):
Question and answer in one sentence, perhaps?

It's not beyond the realms of reality to schedule a passenger heavy A380, and a freight heavy 777/A350 on a given route at different times to achieve the overall objective..

That's one way of looking at it. The other interpretation is that it shows a pattern of CX favouring passenger aircraft that can also haul a significant amount of cargo in its belly.

But yes, you're right, what you propose is quite possible.

[Edited 2012-12-15 00:00:12]

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: astuteman
Posted 2012-12-15 00:07:38 and read 34716 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 182):
But yes, you're right, what you propose is quite possible.

For what its worth I wasn't suggesting this could be "likely", or "inevitable".

It's just that A-net sometimes has a tendency to look at certain situations in a "one-dimensional", or "black-and-white" manner, (especially so when it suits a particular agenda) when reality typically presents a lot more options or alternatives.

It's very rare in complex situations like this for there to be a "single solution point"

Rgds

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2012-12-15 01:21:06 and read 34375 times.

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 167):
Who's going to fly a 707(?) in Star Alliance livery in 2030?

Waow! That's what I call a true retroliner. Can't wait for the year 2030.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: art
Posted 2012-12-15 02:16:40 and read 34113 times.

Quoting n729pa (Reply 175):
Significant can be one of two things....a new customer or a large number

I am inclined to agree. I might consider an A380 re-order (rather than a 777 re-order) from an established A380 and B777 user signifiicant, too. Just my interpretation of "significant".

As for "close", what might that mean? An airline with which JL has been negotiating has signalled its intention of placing an order and - barring hitches (finance etc) - the order will be placed soon?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: EPA001
Posted 2012-12-15 04:54:50 and read 33508 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 182):
The other interpretation is that it shows a pattern of CX favouring passenger aircraft that can also haul a significant amount of cargo in its belly.

That interpretation would also suit LH. Both airlines have quite similar profiles and do favour aircraft which can carry both passengers and cargo in significant numbers. They are both among the largest airlines in the world hauling both in great numbers. Which is why LH likes the B744 so much, as they like the A346, and now they are very happy with the B748i.

But still that did not stop them from ordering the A388 as well, and they are also very happy with the performance of that magnificent aircraft in their fleet. I can imagine CX going the same way, though I am speculating here of course.  .

Quoting astuteman (Reply 183):
It's just that A-net sometimes has a tendency to look at certain situations in a "one-dimensional", or "black-and-white" manner, (especially so when it suits a particular agenda) when reality typically presents a lot more options or alternatives.

Very well put. The real world is always much more complex then we can imagine here at A-net. And the choices airlines make are proof for that.  .

[Edited 2012-12-15 04:59:00]

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: babybus
Posted 2012-12-15 07:55:17 and read 32985 times.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 107):
If Airbus are about to announce a new A380 customer, I'm telling you, it's United.

If it is United it will that old trick of ordering 50 and then cancelling in an effort to destabilize confidence in the aircraft.

Remember that silly film with Jody Foster? It would be an extension of that trick.  

I hope it's a new European operator.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Polot
Posted 2012-12-15 08:03:05 and read 32832 times.

Quoting babybus (Reply 187):
If it is United it will that old trick of ordering 50 and then cancelling in an effort to destabilize confidence in the aircraft.

Yes, since airlines do that all the time. Old trick indeed  

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: abba
Posted 2012-12-15 08:35:36 and read 32601 times.

They have early on been talking about range and capasity.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 182):
CX hasn't said anything on the matter except to say that the A380 didn't fit its fleet network.



I find that to be a rather sweeping statement that certainly dosn't hold water. They have in fact said a few things. Just try make a google. But even if that was the case, I don't think that it serves us well to substitute their silence with our speculation. In fact, the routes where CX might use the 380 has so much traffic that they will be the same routes where CX is going to use their 748Fs.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: zeke
Posted 2012-12-15 10:29:10 and read 32233 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 181):
Seems that the current CEO is now a bit less negative, but still hasn't ordered.

John has stated many times in public he has not ruled out any VLA, the issue is due to be address next year. Likely CX will be down to just 10 pax 744s withing th next 12-18 months with the current accelerated retirement schedule. If the global demand for air traffic reduces further, I think the chances of a VLA order will be lower.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 182):
CX hasn't said anything on the matter except to say that the A380 didn't fit its fleet network.

I think that has been taken out of context, I believe he was saying he would prefer to build on frequency at the time, however there is a limit as to how many flights a day you can do to meet that market that is looking for timing flexibility. The demand on a hourly basis has peaks during the day.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 182):
The other interpretation is that it shows a pattern of CX favouring passenger aircraft that can also haul a significant amount of cargo in its belly.

There is a point where that is no longer effective or not even possible to uplift cargo without offloading passenger. I would suggest you have a look at how much cargo payload a 77W can actually lift on a NYC-HKG flight, your idea of what is "significant" might change, it is less than what a A330 would carry regionally.

Regionally a lot of cargo is carried under the floor, the cost is not that great, on a TPE flight it might be around 50 kg of additional fuel per tonne of cargo, on a ULH like NYC, it might be tens time that much of fuel needed to carry each additional tonne of cargo. This has significant impact on the yield from the flight.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 186):

That interpretation would also suit LH

EK, QF, KE, SQ.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: thegeek
Posted 2012-12-15 17:40:42 and read 31315 times.

Quoting zeke (Reply 190):
John has stated many times in public he has not ruled out any VLA, the issue is due to be address next year. Likely CX will be down to just 10 pax 744s withing th next 12-18 months with the current accelerated retirement schedule. If the global demand for air traffic reduces further, I think the chances of a VLA order will be lower.

Thanks for that. You're significantly closer to CX's operations than casual observer like myself.

I personally hope that they don't buy the A388 to put pressure on Airbus to build the A389, but that doesn't make it good business sense.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: RayChuang
Posted 2012-12-15 17:53:32 and read 31299 times.

Now that Airbus has finally matured with the A380-800 production, my guess is that the MTOW and fuel burn of current-production A388's may meet Cathay Pacific's requirements for LAX-HKG year-round operations. As such, it could mean CX could be ready for a 15-20 plane order to replace their entire 747-400 fleet on their busiest long routes.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: EPA001
Posted 2012-12-15 17:56:02 and read 31296 times.

Quoting zeke (Reply 190):
Quoting EPA001 (Reply 186):

That interpretation would also suit LH

EK, QF, KE, SQ.

Yes, them too. And they all have A380's in their fleets.  

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: FreshSide3
Posted 2012-12-15 18:04:35 and read 31288 times.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
Well, as much as I'd like it to be UA or DL (though I'd prefer a 748 order!), I suspect that it's not a US-based customer.

The UA pilots just now got a new contract, so that increases the chances.....

My guess is either Turkish, Thai, or Aeroflot.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: YVRLTN
Posted 2012-12-15 18:45:09 and read 31134 times.

IMO any order for the A380 is significant at this point...

Quoting kaitak (Reply 155):
The CX people will need a lot of convincing that the A380 can do all that Airbus says it can; for such a huge investment

Well, those numbers are readily available after 5 years of service, and only improving.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 155):
I think that's a far point, but they have enough cargo acft in their fleet, now and on order, to make up for t
he possible shortfall of A388 cargo capacity. And it's not as if it has NO cargo capacity, just less than CX might like

FWIW, throw it out there, most of the current 380 operators have dedicated cargo divisions too - SQ, KE, LH, CZ, AF, EK, MH, even BA through GSS. Notable exception is QF (who dont have the "cargo superior" 77W).

Another interesting coincidence is the gate at YVR that CX mainly use has been made 380 ready (surely a prime 380 route).

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: gemuser
Posted 2012-12-15 19:22:25 and read 30957 times.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 195):

FWIW, throw it out there, most of the current 380 operators have dedicated cargo divisions too - SQ, KE, LH, CZ, AF, EK, MH, even BA through GSS. Notable exception is QF (who dont have the "cargo superior" 77W).

Actually QF do through wet lease from Atlas(?), 2-3 times a week.

Gemuser

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: cx828
Posted 2012-12-15 21:36:47 and read 30665 times.

just a wild assumption, is it possible to have a 380 combi like Air China one to the 747M, so they can still have the passenger capacity of the old 744 and have the same cargo capacity as 77W and maintain the frequency as 4 daily to LHR or JFK.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: thegeek
Posted 2012-12-15 21:38:10 and read 30667 times.

Quoting cx828 (Reply 197):
just a wild assumption, is it possible to have a 380 combi like Air China one to the 747M, so they can still have the passenger capacity of the old 744 and have the same cargo capacity as 77W and maintain the frequency as 4 daily to LHR or JFK.

Can't have a moveable partition any more.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: FriendlySkies
Posted 2012-12-15 21:43:29 and read 30726 times.

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 194):
The UA pilots just now got a new contract, so that increases the chances.....

Perhaps, from 0.000001% to 0.000005%.

UA will probably get A350-1000s at some point. There will not be an A380 with a globe anytime soon, if ever, for reasons argued ad nauseam here.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: cx828
Posted 2012-12-15 21:54:43 and read 30656 times.

half of the bottom can be cargo, the top and front half will equal out the capacity of 744, i am not a professional, but will that be too heavy??

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: HNL-Jack
Posted 2012-12-15 21:57:42 and read 30694 times.

Haven't read all the entries, so forgive me if this speculation has already been offered, but it was interesting that the demo A-380 stopped in HNL on its way to HKG a few days ago. Could it be that Cathay may have renewed interest?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: tommy525
Posted 2012-12-15 22:14:34 and read 31837 times.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2012/11/12/2003547499

The A380 is reported to be visiting Taipei as well. This newslink from a local Taiwan paper on Nov 12 says Dec 11 is the scheduled date when the A380 will visit Taiwan "and then Hong Kong". Plans have changed it seems or they may still proceed to Taipei at some point.

BR seems unlikely but Ci is still a strong possible as a buyer.

[Edited 2012-12-15 22:17:32]

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2012-12-15 22:45:30 and read 31703 times.

From what I have read CX will take another look at the need for a VLA during 2013, so this current proposed A380 order won't be from CX going by that.

Personally I think CX do have a case for 12-15 VLAs for routes like LAX, SFO, JFK, LHR and possibly YVR, FRA, CDG. Be that A380s, or 748Is.

Hoepfully the order this thread is about would be a new order though i'm not to sure who if thats the case being significant. Maybe someone like ANA for 10 for their busiest long haul routes?!

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: andrewtang
Posted 2012-12-15 23:17:09 and read 31583 times.

Quoting cx828 (Reply 200):
half of the bottom can be cargo, the top and front half will equal out the capacity of 744, i am not a professional, but will that be too heavy??

The FAA no longer certifies Combi aircraft for Commercial use.

Quoting tommy525 (Reply 202):
BR seems unlikely but Ci is still a strong possible as a buyer.

I doubt CI needs the A380 for its operation though. CI has placed a firm order for 14 A350-900 back in 2008 and just about a week ago they announced that they will be ordering 6 B777-300ER to replace their existing A340-300. Apparently it is said that they are looking at replacing their ageing B747-400 with either the B777-300ER or the A350-1000.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2012-12-15 23:38:07 and read 31519 times.

Quoting andrewtang (Reply 204):

Quoting cx828 (Reply 200):
half of the bottom can be cargo, the top and front half will equal out the capacity of 744, i am not a professional, but will that be too heavy??

The FAA no longer certifies Combi aircraft for Commercial use.

Theoretically they would be allowed to have the whole main deck as cargo, and just use top deck for passengers (or perhaps the reverse), but that would need quite a bit of expensive customizing by Airbus, and I don't think any route would be so cargo heavy and passenger light (and any such route would be better served by dedicated freighter).

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2012-12-16 00:11:14 and read 31437 times.

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 28):

You guys can for certanly take DL off the list. At least for as long as the current managment team is running the show. Yesterday during DL investor day conference R. Anderson mentioned several times that the A380 will not provide a reasonable ROI for DL over a 30year span. A reporter asked him how do you compare buying VS and an A380 and he said it does not come close.

Not only this, but Anderson has stated to employees before that the plane "is to big to make money". Delta wants twins.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 84):
Agree. I would think DL would order the 77W before the 748i, let alone the A380.

Twins are the future at Delta.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 89):
Cedarjet's bet is United. Their 747s are among the oldest in the business and there are a load of routes they fly that can't be flown with anything less than jumbo capacity - namely, Australia, and their routes from SFO, ORD and NYC to Japan and China. A 777 replacing a 747 is a major step down in capacity and I don't think they're ready to cede that kind of market share to Qantas, Delta, JAL, Nippon, Air China et al.

UA has been dumping 747s and replacing them with 777s. Routes like ORD-NRT, LAX-NRT are now on 777s or 787s. The A350 (IMO a mix of 900s and 1000s) will replace the 747 at UA.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 105):
Considering DL are going ahead with a 49% stake takeover of VS would it be possible that DL have decided to take on VS A380 order and topped it up with an additional 10 frames to replace the B744 fleet from 2017 which was the latest delivery date for VS A380s...

Delta wont operate the A380 unless they have a huge, huge change in management.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 108):

DL is husbanding their cash by purchasing used airframes. There is zero chance they're going to drop tens of billions on brand new A380-800s

Not only this but Delta has been upgrading the fleet to push back fleet renewal. IMHO a mix of 777s and 787s will replace the the 747s. NWs plan was to replace the 747s with 787s....

Quoting gigneil (Reply 180):
I think they'll have to go with an A350-1000 on the routes

agreed. Some routes are still to big for the 900. (a good bit of SFO-Asia)

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 194):
The UA pilots just now got a new contract, so that increases the chances.....

not really. Negotiations 101. You hang something like the A380 or 717 to get a contract to pass. Its fairly odd to wait till after a contract to start talking about airplanes.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-12-16 00:14:47 and read 31433 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 206):
UA has been dumping 747s and replacing them with 777s.

No they haven't. They have exactly 1 fewer 747 than they have always had.

NS

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: yyz717
Posted 2012-12-16 00:25:42 and read 31393 times.

Quoting andrewtang (Reply 204):
Apparently it is said that they are looking at replacing their ageing B747-400 with either the B777-300ER or the A350-1000.

Their large 744F fleet suggests the 748F has a future at CI, which makes the 748I seem possible also.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2012-12-16 00:28:43 and read 31492 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 207):
No they haven't. They have exactly 1 fewer 747 than they have always had.

UA has been, over the last few years, been dumping 747s and replacing them with 777s. (or just cutting the capacity without replacement)

UA at its peek had 44(per Boeing) 744s. They are down half of that. Yes most of that was during BK but IIRC UA exited BK with ~30 744s and is down to 24?(is its 25 with the Charter or 24 with the Charter?)

Not a bad thing, all the US carriers are going that route. Again, I wouldn't be shocked at all to see the 787 replace the bulk of the Delta 747 fleet.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: JerseyFlyer
Posted 2012-12-16 05:05:46 and read 30572 times.

Quoting zeke (Reply 190):
Regionally a lot of cargo is carried under the floor, the cost is not that great, on a TPE flight it might be around 50 kg of additional fuel per tonne of cargo, on a ULH like NYC, it might be tens time that much of fuel needed to carry each additional tonne of cargo. This has significant impact on the yield from the flight.

Which is why non-stop long haul caqrgo ops will remain a minority - it is cheaper to stop half way to top up the tanks.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 206):
Yesterday during DL investor day conference R. Anderson mentioned several times that the A380 will not provide a reasonable ROI for DL over a 30year span.

He just bought 3 - well, 49% of VS's order for 6!

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-16 09:04:03 and read 29910 times.

Quoting cx828 (Reply 197):
just a wild assumption, is it possible to have a 380 combi like Air China one to the 747M, so they can still have the passenger capacity of the old 744 and have the same cargo capacity as 77W and maintain the frequency as 4 daily to LHR or JFK.

The cost to design and certify it, coupled with the inflexibility to adjust loads between passengers and cargos, and the added empty weight needed for fire and smoke protection would almost assuredly make such a plane economically unfeasible to operate, IMO.



Quoting andrewtang (Reply 204):
The FAA no longer certifies Combi aircraft for Commercial use.

The FAA will certify a new combi, but said certification rules require the passenger and cargo cabin volumes be permanently set during initial assembly. Therefore, such a plane only makes sense where you fly the same number of passengers and pallets every flight with no deviation in load factors.

And I would be very surprised if there were any, much less many, routes where load factors are so set.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: thegeek
Posted 2012-12-16 15:10:46 and read 28961 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 211):
And I would be very surprised if there were any, much less many, routes where load factors are so set.

They don't need to be as rigid as you are outlining. You can still fly a dedicated freighter to deal with strong freight demand and sub in a passenger aircraft for strong pax demand. However, given that no airline has wanted such a thing tells us that they are still too rigid for them.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-12-16 15:18:29 and read 29027 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 212):
They don't need to be as rigid as you are outlining. You can still fly a dedicated freighter to deal with strong freight demand and sub in a passenger aircraft for strong pax demand.

At that point, why run the combi?

Might explain why some combi operators are moving to dedicated passenger or freighter fleets or are favoring planes like the 777-300ER (and eventually the A350-1000) that has so much underfloor volume it's almost a combi.  

[Edited 2012-12-16 15:19:01]

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: jet-lagged
Posted 2012-12-16 15:42:35 and read 29091 times.

Last Friday I was lucky enough to see a couple of AF A380s while transitting CDG. Yes one looked dirty, I was bemused to notice. Seeing it in person from the terminal it looked better than from pictures. And it seemed to me that changing your perspective by taking some steps left and right also affected the aesthetics.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2012-12-17 04:52:58 and read 27728 times.

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 210):
He just bought 3 - well, 49% of VS's order for 6

IMHO Virgin wont ever have an A380....

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2012-12-28 05:59:41 and read 25353 times.

So? Just one more working day left in 2012. Any chances for this "significant" MoU in 2012? I doubt it... If at all it will happen in 2013 and maybe it's even better this way

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: scbriml
Posted 2012-12-28 06:35:54 and read 25158 times.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 216):
Just one more working day left in 2012. Any chances for this "significant" MoU in 2012? I doubt it...

You may be surprised what will show up in the last few days of 2012. But you'll probably have to wait for Airbus's annual press conference around 17th January to find out.   

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-12-28 17:24:35 and read 23935 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 120):
Bugger reality. I doubt this will happen, this is what I would LIKE to see:

I would love to see that, but teh chance is 0.1%.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 213):
or are favoring planes like the 777-300ER (and eventually the A350-1000) that has so much underfloor volume it's almost a combi.

That is one issue with the A380. No combi required, the new widebodies substitute. Even the 787 brings a significant amount more cargo. Some of the 'combi duties' is being absorbed into regular service.

That isn't to say I do not remain an A380 fan. There are still a tremendous number of routes for the big plane. If they would only get production in hand we'll see more orders. Of course I hope for the A389...

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-12-28 18:17:33 and read 23768 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 209):
UA has been, over the last few years, been dumping 747s and replacing them with 777s. (or just cutting the capacity without replacement)
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 209):
UA at its peek had 44(per Boeing) 744s.

That doesn't sound right to me. I'll meet you halfway however.

I can find production records for 28 747-422s. I was under the impression that total was 24, but I'll take 28.

I have LN:

733
759
762
806
819
820
866
867
881
882
919
985
1085
1088
1113
1121
1126
1141
1168
1193
1197
1201
1207
1209
1211
1218
1221
1245

If you can show a list different than that, I'd be interested.

NS

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: ba319-131
Posted 2012-12-28 21:53:55 and read 23459 times.

The following 747-400's have left the UA fleet:-

N172UA
N176UA
N183UA
N184UA
N106UA (this was a -451 built for NW but NTU)
N186UA
N187UA
N188UA
N189UA
N190UA
N191UA
N192UA
N194UA
N108UA
N109UA

There are 24 in service and 6 stored if my data is correct.

Now, back to the topic, who's it going to be?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: AVENSAB727
Posted 2012-12-28 22:03:10 and read 23387 times.

If UA orders some, I hope they come to IAH!

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-12-29 13:37:58 and read 22272 times.

OMG ME TOO.

I love IAH.

NS

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: TheSultanOfWing
Posted 2013-01-02 08:03:23 and read 20731 times.

First post!
Happy New year everybody!


I was kind of hoping to know something more about this "significant order" by now, any rumors at all?


Many thanks,


FH

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: scbriml
Posted 2013-01-02 11:44:59 and read 19789 times.

Even if an MoU was signed before the end of 2012, I wouldn't expect to hear about it until Airbus's Annual Press Conference around the middle of January.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2013-01-02 13:35:43 and read 19201 times.

Slightly off topic but relevant as well; does the A380 have a high cargo capacity by weight compared to that available by space? Given its magnificent wings and four engines, surely it must be able to lift some heavy and expensive shizzle regardless of the fact that it can't carry massive amounts of low value but space taking product. The 748i and 77W may have a lot more space available in their bellies for cargo, but what are they able to lift compared to the A388?

This must have some bearing no?

Regards
MH

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-02 13:39:39 and read 19221 times.

In terms of Maximum Structural Payload, the A380-800 is rated to about 93t at the 575t TOW. The 747-8 is rated at 82t and the 777-300ER at 70t.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2013-01-02 13:53:00 and read 19865 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 226):
In terms of Maximum Structural Payload, the A380-800 is rated to about 93t at the 575t TOW. The 747-8 is rated at 82t and the 777-300ER at 70t.

That's fairly significant. So if you're able to focus on high value and heavy cargo, and lots of passengers, the A388 is definitely the aeroplane for you.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: redzeppelin
Posted 2013-01-02 14:31:47 and read 19547 times.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 227):
So if you're able to focus on high value and heavy cargo, the A388 is definitely the aeroplane for you.

So maybe EK's large fleet of 380s is related to Dubai's status as a major gold trading hub?  

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: boysteve
Posted 2013-01-02 15:19:12 and read 19224 times.

Quoting jet-lagged (Reply 214):
Last Friday I was lucky enough to see a couple of AF A380s while transitting CDG. Yes one looked dirty, I was bemused to notice. Seeing it in person from the terminal it looked better than from pictures. And it seemed to me that changing your perspective by taking some steps left and right also affected the aesthetics.

Personally I think the best view is when stood between 4:30 and 5 o'clock relative to the bid bird (or between 7 and 7:30 o'clock obviously).

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: CM
Posted 2013-01-02 15:41:26 and read 19183 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 226):
In terms of Maximum Structural Payload, the A380-800 is rated to about 93t at the 575t TOW. The 747-8 is rated at 82t and the 777-300ER at 70t.

If you subscribe to the belief the A380-800 seats about 100 more pax than the 747-8, then the MSP delta doesn't look all that noteworthy:

A388 - 110kg x 525 pax = 57.75t
748 - 110kg x 425 pax = 46.75t
77W - 110kg x 340 pax = 37.4t

The remaining capability for revenue cargo under the max-zero-fuel line is identical for the A388 and 748 (35.25t) and is not far off for the 77W (32.6t).

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: airlinebuilder
Posted 2013-01-03 07:40:55 and read 18076 times.

The A380 sure is the aircraft.....way to GO!

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: airlinebuilder
Posted 2013-01-03 08:11:30 and read 17908 times.

this has been on the forum for some time now and we have not heard of what this significant order really is? anybody with inside information to enlighten us all who this is going to be?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: redzeppelin
Posted 2013-01-03 14:43:53 and read 17148 times.

Quoting CM (Reply 230):
The remaining capability for revenue cargo under the max-zero-fuel line is identical for the A388 and 748 (35.25t) and is not far off for the 77W (32.6t).

Let me make sure that I understand--These numbers are just loading up the aircraft to max payload with no fuel on board? So if the 3 planes were all flying the same route, and were each fueled accordingly, then after boarding the passenger numbers you give plus the necessary fuel, the remaining cargo capacity is going to look very different, correct? The A388 will require more fuel than the 748 for most missions, and so the 748 will have more available cargo capacity, even though the pre-fuel capacity is identical. The 77W takes less fuel than either VLA, so the capacity gap will shrink after fueling. Am I interpretting correctly? Does the 77W actually end up with more available cargo capacity than the two larger planes for some missions? Thanks for being patient with me.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: travelhound
Posted 2013-01-03 15:04:43 and read 16958 times.

Quoting CM (Reply 230):

Am i correct in saying, If you load them up with cargo to full capacity than they are not going to fly the brochure ranges as advertised by Boeing and Airbus.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Stitch
Posted 2013-01-03 15:24:11 and read 16829 times.

Quoting travelhound (Reply 234):
Am i correct in saying, If you load them up with cargo to full capacity than they are not going to fly the brochure ranges as advertised by Boeing and Airbus.

The brochure ranges are with a full compliment of passengers and their bags so yes, if you add revenue cargo on top of that, range will be less.

The A380-800 with an 85t payload is good for about 6600nm. The 747-8 with an 82t payload is good for about 5900nm and the 777-300ER with a 70t payload is good for about 5700nm. These figures are for no winds aloft and at OEM spec OEW.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: CM
Posted 2013-01-03 15:34:50 and read 16768 times.

Quoting red zeppelin (Reply 233):
Let me make sure that I understand

I'm looking at a non-restricted route for the three aircraft.

Here are some basic assumptions for the mission:

Stage Length - 4,000 nm.
Passenger + their bags weight - 110 kg
Load factor - 100%
Seats: (I guessed here at comparable layouts, so may be not quite apples-to-apples)
- A388 - 525
- 748 - 425
- 77W - 340

Given the above mission rules, if we fill each airplane to max structural payload for the mission, they will all bump up against MZFW rather than their respective MTOW limits, so it makes a good basis of comparison for looking a structural payload capability. Here's how the math works out:

Total pax & bags weight:

A388 - 57.75t
748 - 46.75t
77W - 37.4t

Subtracting that from the total available payload capability under the MZFW line, the available capability to lift revenue payload on the mission is:

A388 - 35.25t
748 - 35.25t
77W - 32.6t

This is a comparison of how much structural capability each aircraft has to carry revenue (belly) cargo on this mission. The weight of fuel does not have to be considered here, because we are not operating at MTOW.

What CXB77L was hinting at in reply #59 is that once all the passenger bags are in the hold, the 777 and 747-8 have more remaining cargo volume into which you can put the above 32t-35t of cargo. If you are hauling revenue cargo which is high density and crams a lot of weight into a few pallet positions, it's no problem. However, if you are hauling flowers, packages or some other low-density cargo, the 747-8 and 777-300ER may both offer more revenue cargo capability than the A380-800.

Quoting travelhound (Reply 234):
Am i correct in saying, If you load them up with cargo to full capacity than they are not going to fly the brochure ranges as advertised by Boeing and Airbus.

This is absolutely true. "Brochure Range" (usually called "design range") is how far the airplane will fly with every seat filled plus passenger bags, but no revenue cargo.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: sydaircargo
Posted 2013-01-03 15:37:11 and read 16781 times.

not sure if they did already but i was reading that Transaero from russia looking to roder 4 A380

would be significant because it would be the first order from russia ?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-01-03 16:11:32 and read 16638 times.

Quoting sydaircargo (Reply 237):
not sure if they did already but i was reading that Transaero from russia looking to roder 4 A380

would be significant because it would be the first order from russia ?

Transaero already has signed an MoU (they did so in Oct 2011). The article in the first post mentions that Leahy hoped to have an MoU for this order signed by the end of December, so it is not Transaero.

[Edited 2013-01-03 16:12:27]

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-04 00:26:24 and read 16028 times.

Transaero also firmed their A380 order in the beginning of 2012.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: bthebest
Posted 2013-01-04 01:42:16 and read 15534 times.

Probably won't find out till 17th January or just before, when Airbus are going to announce their 2012 O&D.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: india1
Posted 2013-01-15 00:49:34 and read 14125 times.

Turkish?

http://thepeninsulaqatar.com/interna...urkey-plan-major-airbus-order.html

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Bthebest
Posted 2013-01-15 01:09:27 and read 13882 times.

Most promising sign yet - although wouldn't call the A333 and 77W comparable!

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-15 01:35:15 and read 13705 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 215):
irgin wont ever have an A380....

         The VS A380 order was another publicity stunt...

EK413

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: SKAirbus
Posted 2013-01-15 01:38:52 and read 13653 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 243):
The VS A380 order was another publicity stunt...

I wouldn't say that.. It was made in better economic times where RB had slightly more ambitious growth plans. Times change.... A problem with ordering an aircraft so many years in advance.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: na
Posted 2013-01-15 01:47:11 and read 13567 times.

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 242):
Most promising sign yet - although wouldn't call the A333 and 77W comparable!

They are as comparable or non-comparable as the 77W vs the 748I.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 244):
I wouldn't say that.. It was made in better economic times where RB had slightly more ambitious growth plans. Times change.... A problem with ordering an aircraft so many years in advance.

Exactly.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: art
Posted 2013-01-15 04:19:42 and read 12949 times.

Quoting india1 (Reply 241):

Turkish?

http://thepeninsulaqatar.com/interna....html

Sounds like more likely than unlikely to me:

(a) French trade minister will be visiting Turkey
(b) rapprochement between France and Turkey after withdrawal of the French law that irked Turkey

(a) + (b) = Let's do some business now we're on good terms again!

IMO TK would be a significant recruit to the A380 customer base, potentially buying quite a few over the years.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: BlueShamu330s
Posted 2013-01-15 05:16:44 and read 12484 times.

Quoting india1 (Reply 241):
Turkish?

http://thepeninsulaqatar.com/interna...urkey-plan-major-airbus-order.html

Interesting article. It struck me as written by someone bursting to lead on a story but who has been sworn to secrecy for now.

TK would be a huge coup for the A380 family. Is this the final giant of the region, from the Black Sea to the Gulf of Aden, joining the others in flying the beast?

Quote:
Smell The Coffee •
It has to be the A380. The Boeing offering is the final, last gasp of an ageing old lady in the form of the B747. Her time is past and the A380 is eating her breakfast. Moreover, the B777-300ERs do the job of the B747 at a fraction of the cost and Turkish already operate them.
A huge. bold step for a bold, brave airline; well done Turkish if this turns out to be true.



Almost a.net-esque !

Quoting EK413 (Reply 243):
         The VS A380 order was another publicity stunt...

It was nothing of the sort.

The A380 was seen by Virgin as the next leap in air travel and the opportunities it offered. Airbus, despite the a.net belief / myth that Virgin wanted to dump all the A346s, was very much in favour and the operating principals and logistics of an Airbus fleet appealed greatly.

There is no doubt SRB exploited the situation to his usual advantage and of course went over the top with the promises he made regarding what a Virgin A380 would feature, but the economics and forward forecasts made a good case for the A380 as and when the B744 fleet would be rolled over. They were never going to be 700 seaters for the beach fleet, but a natural replacement of the LHR B744s and development of the service provided on board.

Events haven't been kind to the A380's prospects at Virgin since, though I will again say I believe they will take them.

Rgds

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: DTWPurserBoy
Posted 2013-01-15 12:38:21 and read 11212 times.

DL could easily use the airplane on NRT, TLV, and MNL flights. I et irbus wold give thema premium disount just to get the aiplanes into the U. Remember when Airbus "gave" 4 A300's to EA to stimulate an order?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: naritaflyer
Posted 2013-01-15 12:53:26 and read 11185 times.

It's Turkish Airlines. Announcement may be coming tomorrow (Wednesday Jan 16, 2012).

At least what I read it said that the French trade minister will meet with Turkish officials tomorrow. Apparently Turkish is in discussions with Airbus for 150 aircraft.

[Edited 2013-01-15 13:01:16]

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2013-01-15 13:00:41 and read 11023 times.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 248):
premium disount

Premium discount? I even could imagine that John Leahy would work with a negative sales price just to sell his first pax-A 380 in the USA.  
Quoting naritaflyer (Reply 249):
It's Turkish Airlines. Announcement may be coming tomorrow (Wednesday Jan 16, 2012).

Hmm, just for the records. John Leahy was talking about a MoU, not a firm order. I could imagine they will place a nice MoU but it remains to be seen if they (TK, or any other operator) will convert it to a firm order.

N14AZ - close to a significant hang-over, tomorrow.  

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-01-15 13:09:55 and read 10967 times.

Quoting naritaflyer (Reply 249):
Apparently Turkish is in discussions with Airbus for 150 aircraft.

It would be quite nice if they ordered 150 A380's in one batch!   

But somehow I doubt that.  

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2013-01-15 13:10:23 and read 11166 times.

Leahy was talking about a MoU signed in 2012 and firming it in the first half of 2013. We will see.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2013-01-15 17:18:53 and read 10395 times.

Quoting naritaflyer (Reply 249):
At least what I read it said that the French trade minister will meet with Turkish officials tomorrow. Apparently Turkish is in discussions with Airbus for 150 aircraft.


On top of at least 100 A320 family, and maybe up to 10 A380, isn't it time for TK to line up for an A350 order?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: EPA001
Posted 2013-01-16 04:48:24 and read 9682 times.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 253):
isn't it time for TK to line up for an A350 order?

Well, they recently purchased A330's and B77W's which will be delivered in a couple of years. So that would surprise me if they would also order the A350. But time will tell I guess.  

Let's hope this is the significant A380-order this thread is about.   

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Bthebest
Posted 2013-01-16 04:51:24 and read 9660 times.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 254):
Let's hope this is the significant A380-order this thread is about.

Or lets hope there's another one a well! The more the better  

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Bthebest
Posted 2013-01-17 04:57:32 and read 8434 times.

So nor order in the works just yet then....past the TK 16/1 date and Airbus results  

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: jfk777
Posted 2013-01-17 06:26:16 and read 7959 times.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 254):
Well, they recently purchased A330's and B77W's which will be delivered in a couple of years. So that would surprise me if they would also order the A350. But time will tell I guess.

Let's hope this is the significant A380-order this thread is about

Turkish is a horse I would bet on for the A380 order since they have been expanding every where they can. They also want to make a statement as a serious airline, in the Middle East that means an A380.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: art
Posted 2013-01-17 06:37:55 and read 7878 times.

Anyone know if the meeting between the French trade minister and TK CEO has taken place?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: Aircellist
Posted 2013-01-17 06:47:05 and read 7782 times.

So it wasn't SQ's repeat order?

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: art
Posted 2013-01-17 10:21:37 and read 7039 times.

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 260):
So it wasn't SQ's repeat order?

To me any re-order is significant (suggests the airline has data showing the A380 is profitable for it). I think Airbus would have highlighted this order in their PR as being the significant order JL referred to, were that the case.

My money is still on TK placing an order while the French trade minister is in Turkey.

Topic: RE: A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'
Username: iowaman
Posted 2013-01-17 10:41:50 and read 6902 times.

Since this thread is getting quite lengthy please continue the discussion here:

A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order' Part #2 (by iowaman Jan 17 2013 in Civil Aviation)


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