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Topic: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: g500
Posted 2012-12-31 08:36:58 and read 11329 times.

Which Caribbean airport (Mexico, U.S included) has the best chance of one day luring Lufthansa?

Cancun -( too many charters already)
San Juan, St. Marteen, Barbados - is there enough market?

Opinions welcome

Happy new year

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: 123
Posted 2012-12-31 08:42:31 and read 11326 times.

LH used to fly to SJU:

FRA-SJU-LIM(OR BOG)-LPB AND RETURN.

Think SJU can with ease be retaken ex FRA with smaller long-range aircraft than actually in the LH fleet.

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: g500
Posted 2012-12-31 09:12:07 and read 11117 times.

Quoting 123 (Reply 1):

I think if LH ever lands/ returns to the Caribbean, it would be with the A330, nothing larger

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: luv2fly
Posted 2012-12-31 09:15:41 and read 11104 times.

I think if it ever happens look for it to be on Condor,

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2012-12-31 09:25:40 and read 11036 times.

Havana after the Castros are gone and Cuba reforms and becomes a magnet for investment.

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-12-31 09:36:17 and read 10962 times.

Is DE flying to HAV? If it's, not sure if HAV currently could support 2 German scheduled airlines.
LH FRA/MUC-PUJ may be a possibility.
I can't see LH on Jamaica or Trinidad, unless something extraordinary draws it there.
Now that CM is in Star Alliance, LH is expected to fly to PTY sometime soon. Many (western) Caribbean and Centralamerican destinations will be available via PTY hub.

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: g500
Posted 2012-12-31 09:38:50 and read 10952 times.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):

Oh yes forgot about Havana

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 3):

Condor has been doing charters to Cancun ( and other Caribbean airports) from Germany for a long time now. The Dominican Republic is also popular, you hear Condor going in there all the time

Condor's FRA-CUN run has been going on for quite a while, during peak season I think is up 4 weekly, so I don't see LH looking at CUN at all

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: ahlfors
Posted 2012-12-31 09:50:45 and read 10884 times.

Until the early or mid 90s LH used to fly FRA-ANU-SJU-FRA and FRA-SXM-SJU-FRA with I think 3-5 weekly flights total depending on the season. I took the ANU flights quite a few times as a kid.

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: UALWN
Posted 2012-12-31 10:34:25 and read 10664 times.

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 3):
I think if it ever happens look for it to be on Condor,

Condor has not been a part of LH for many years now. It is now part of the Thomas Cook group.

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: g500
Posted 2012-12-31 10:43:35 and read 10636 times.

Quoting UALWN (Reply 8):
Condor has not been a part of LH for many years now. It is now part of the Thomas Cook group.

correct, but Condor does take market share away, possibily preventing regular-schedule flights

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: airbazar
Posted 2012-12-31 10:58:29 and read 10540 times.

I don't see LH ever going back to the Caribbean with the possible exception of HAV at some point in the distant future. LH has long pulled out of the leisure markets. There are way too many leisure/charter operators flying from various cities in Germany to the Caribbean. Even at MCO, they don't chase the leisure traveler, which is why they fly the A346 instead of a 744 with more Y seats.

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-12-31 11:07:03 and read 10505 times.

Makes no sense for a high-cost premium-heavy carrier like LH to serve longhaul markets that are almost exclusively leisure destinations.

As already mentioned, they've served the Caribbean in the past and dropped the routes. Going back further, in the mid-1960s LH also served KIN and MBJ (once a week each) from JFK as intermediate stops on 707 flights to South America. Flight routings in the July 1966 timetable:

FRA-JFK-KIN-LIM-SCL
FRA-JFK-MBJ-GYE-LIM-SCL

They had 5th freedom rights on all sectors.

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: UALWN
Posted 2012-12-31 12:44:21 and read 10297 times.

Quoting g500 (Reply 9):
correct, but Condor does take market share away, possibily preventing regular-schedule flights

Indeed, but the post I was replying seemed to imply that if LH would ever go back to the Caribbean it would be under the Condor brand...

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: aa1818
Posted 2012-12-31 13:21:57 and read 10185 times.

I believe that up to a few years ago there were flights between FRA and TAB.

Many years ago I know then National Airline BWIA flew L10-11 Tristars to Germany (I believe more than one Airport in fact!).

Despite these historical ties and the ever increasing trade done between T&T and Germany, I doubt a non-stop flight is warranted as it may be to BGI or MBJ or HAV.

AA1818

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2012-12-31 14:27:41 and read 9915 times.

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 13):

They also had Fights into Muc and I think into Cgn

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: turk223
Posted 2012-12-31 15:31:21 and read 9413 times.

DE has a few Caribbean destinations and I believe a lot of them are year-round... I remember DE DC-10s coming into BGI back in the 70s and 80s.

BW was busy in Germany in the early 90s when I worked with them; we served FRA, MUC, and CGN from POS, BGI, and UVF. However, I recall most of the fares sold were package deals - a niche DE fills rather well.

Doubt LH sees any real "high fare" opportunities...

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: einsteinboricua
Posted 2012-12-31 15:59:46 and read 9158 times.

Doesn't Lufthansa fly to CCS? Technically, Venezuela has a coast in the Caribbean Sea 

Anyway, as mentioned, LH did serve SJU, but with even IB and BA pulling out, I doubt LH would ever serve SJU again. If anything, I'd expect HAV or SXM service before SJU.

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: ahlfors
Posted 2012-12-31 16:46:02 and read 8828 times.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 16):
Doesn't Lufthansa fly to CCS?

Yes, they do, and CCS airport is right on the Caribbean coast.

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: zkojq
Posted 2012-12-31 19:39:37 and read 7877 times.

Quoting UALWN (Reply 12):
Indeed, but the post I was replying seemed to imply that if LH would ever go back to the Caribbean it would be under the Condor brand...

Lufthansa no-longer owns Condor, it was sold to Thomas Cook, wasn't it?

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: nitepilot79
Posted 2012-12-31 21:45:23 and read 7483 times.

Dominican Republic, maybe?

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2012-12-31 22:09:42 and read 7398 times.

All the carribean holiday destinations are well served by DE and AB. Neither warrants a daily service. May be HAV once that country is freed

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: pecevanne
Posted 2012-12-31 22:28:49 and read 7330 times.

Lufhansa, in 1960;s flew from Mexico City to Nassau, B707 service

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: factsonly
Posted 2013-01-01 01:33:52 and read 6667 times.

A part of LH flies to the Caribbean with LH flight codes.

Lufthansa Cargo flies to BQN - Borinquen, Puerto Rico:

- dep. BQN 00:00 - arr. FRA 13:40 LH8263 M1F 8h40m Friday
- dep. BQN 22:40 - arr. FRA 12:20+1 LH8261 M1F 8h40m Saturday
- dep. BQN 22:50 - arr. FRA 12:30+1 LH8261 M1F 8h40m Tuesday

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2013-01-01 02:21:34 and read 6388 times.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 22):

Correct, but it is used as per my understanding as fuel stop point

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: 2008matt
Posted 2013-01-01 05:36:06 and read 5243 times.

I would like to see a 747-8 over at Princess Juliana, that would be a sight. Would the runway be long enough to support it? And yes I know that there isn't the market for a plane that size but we can always dream.

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: dairy
Posted 2013-01-01 06:31:07 and read 4965 times.

at a time (1992-1994, I dont know exactly) the service to SJU or/and ANU passed by in SXM with Airbus A340-200, direct service from FRA. Before the 340-200 was brought in, Lufthansa used DC-10 for this flight. Mid 90's it changed to Condor 767

[Edited 2013-01-01 06:35:33]

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: LH506
Posted 2013-01-01 06:43:31 and read 4882 times.

Except for PTY, HAV, CUN, and SJO and in that order I do not see LH anywhere landing in the Carribean, CA region. PTY maybe in two to three years, HAV, CUN and SJO, if they use Germanwings also for some longhaul flying.

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: airbazar
Posted 2013-01-01 07:00:47 and read 4737 times.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 16):
Doesn't Lufthansa fly to CCS? Technically, Venezuela has a coast in the Caribbean Sea

Indeed and by the same token, they also fly to MEX and Mexico has a Caribbean coast  
But I understand that Isla Maragarita in Venezuela is a lovely place.

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: airjamaica
Posted 2013-01-01 08:15:17 and read 4156 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
As already mentioned, they've served the Caribbean in the past and dropped the routes. Going back further, in the mid-1960s LH also served KIN and MBJ (once a week each) from JFK as intermediate stops on 707 flights to South America. Flight routings in the July 1966 timetable:

FRA-JFK-KIN-LIM-SCL
FRA-JFK-MBJ-GYE-LIM-SCL

They had 5th freedom rights on all sectors.

I have seen past photos of a LH DC10 in MBJ as well. Wasn't aware that they served KIN in the past as well. Interesting.

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: 2008matt
Posted 2013-01-01 08:17:56 and read 4136 times.

Is there a real market for any of these flights to actually happen?

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2013-01-01 08:25:26 and read 4065 times.

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 29):
Is there a real market for any of these flights to actually happen?

The market is well taken care off by Condor and Air Berlin

Topic: RE: If Lufthansa Ever Lands In The Caribbean, Where?
Username: UALWN
Posted 2013-01-01 13:18:06 and read 3592 times.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 18):
Lufthansa no-longer owns Condor, it was sold to Thomas Cook, wasn't it?

Yes. That's what I said in reply #8. However, it's a little bit more complicated, because LH used to own part of Thomas Cook. However, that also ended, as I understand it, a few years ago.


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