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Topic: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: jetblueguy22
Posted 2013-01-02 11:19:51 and read 17856 times.

Just saw this pop up on twitter
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...ght-diverts-to-Houston-4161557.php
Looks like the flight diverted to IAH. She was only 25 years old. May she RIP.
Blue

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: JoePatroni707
Posted 2013-01-02 13:03:09 and read 17414 times.

So sad, condolences to her family  

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-01-02 13:05:33 and read 17401 times.

Horrible to see somebody so young go.    May she RIP and at least have gone peacefully   

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: Irishpower
Posted 2013-01-03 04:01:01 and read 14776 times.

I know we don't know the cause of death but I'm wondering if it could be another case of DVT.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: raffik
Posted 2013-01-03 04:11:33 and read 14680 times.

Very sad about this death. Could have been DVT, or a heart condition etc.
Must be very frustrating for the crew and passengers onboard who couldn't do anything to help this poor woman.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: polnebmit
Posted 2013-01-03 05:40:14 and read 13726 times.

According to FlightAware, it seems that their original intent was to land in MSY but instead went to IAH. Probably IAH had better support for the circumstances at hand.

Why is FoxNews reporting that the Homicide detectives were called to the aircraft when it landed in IAH?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/02...-houston-when-woman-dies-on-plane/

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: ABQopsHP
Posted 2013-01-03 06:02:32 and read 13442 times.

Quoting polnebmit (Reply 5):

Most of the time, when there is a death on board an a/c. The a/c has to be grounded, the crew has to be questioned. If there was reasonable cause to call in detectives they may have done so. This was also an International flight. Could it be, she was running drugs, internally? And one of the items she swallowed broke open? Or it could have been DVT (deep vein thrombosis) which has been known to kill a person, regardless of age. After the autopsy we will have a better idea as to what happened. As for the reason to not divert to MSY and go to IAH. Their FIS could likely process the passengers faster, and there are better options for rebooking purposes.

JD CRP

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-01-03 06:54:52 and read 12720 times.

Why not just continue on to DFW? Why stop at IAH? Was there a legal reason to stop at IAH and not to continue on to DFW? Continuing on to DFW would've been a LOT more convenient to the other 219 passengers who did NOT die and to the relatives/friends of the woman who did. Someone please explain to me the reasoning behind stopping at IAH instead of continuing on to DFW. I see no logic in this.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2013-01-03 06:59:17 and read 12655 times.

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 6):
Could it be, she was running drugs, internally?

I'd say her age and point of origin are a valid enough reason to suspect something along those lines.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-01-03 07:23:45 and read 12302 times.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 7):
Why not just continue on to DFW? Why stop at IAH? Was there a legal reason to stop at IAH and not to continue on to DFW? Continuing on to DFW would've been a LOT more convenient to the other 219 passengers who did NOT die and to the relatives/friends of the woman who did. Someone please explain to me the reasoning behind stopping at IAH instead of continuing on to DFW. I see no logic in this.

We don't know when exactly she died. She could have died during the taxi from the runway to wherever the plane parked- a little late to make the decision to continue to DFW.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-01-03 07:31:50 and read 12165 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 9):
We don't know when exactly she died. She could have died during the taxi from the runway to wherever the plane parked- a little late to make the decision to continue to DFW.

A little EARLY to divert to IAH if she hadn't died yet.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-01-03 07:35:15 and read 12103 times.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 10):
A little EARLY to divert to IAH if she hadn't died yet.

So now you are saying that they should have diverted to IAH only if she was dead? An incredibly ill passenger doesn't warrant a diversion? I doubt she was completely fine and then just suddenly slumped over dead.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: USAirways757
Posted 2013-01-03 07:55:08 and read 11811 times.

Sad, my condolences go out to her family, but it's not that uncommon for a passenger to die inflight. A few stories like this pop up each year.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-01-03 08:24:33 and read 11381 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 11):
So now you are saying that they should have diverted to IAH only if she was dead?

WHAT??? I'm saying they shouldn't have diverted AT ALL!

Quoting Polot (Reply 11):
An incredibly ill passenger doesn't warrant a diversion? I doubt she was completely fine and then just suddenly slumped over dead.

Had one of the suggested 'drug capsules' burst, then that would've been precisley the case. Aren't they required to stop at the nearest airport? Then why not MSY? It's closer than IAH. And if she's dead, why divert?

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-01-03 08:42:20 and read 11105 times.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 13):
Had one of the suggested 'drug capsules' burst, then that would've been precisley the case. Aren't they required to stop at the nearest airport? Then why not MSY? It's closer than IAH. And if she's dead, why divert?

The only time a crew is "required" to land at the nearest suitable airport is when an engine fails on a twin-engine airplane. It's also highly recommend in the case of unidentified smoke or fume smells. Otherwise it's the Captain's descretion where to land. I wasn't there so I don't know what was discussed and what the crews' thought process was. Presumably the Captain and company dispatch, and maybe ATC, had a valid reason to go into IAH rather than MSY.

Who knows, maybe they could get down to IAH quicker; maybe the woman had a medical condition in which IAH was better equipped to handle; maybe the Captain felt the weather at MSY wasn't suitable. Who knows? I'm sure the captain had a very good reason to choose IAH.

Do we know if the woman was dead? Again, I wasn't there but assume the crew had a very valid reason to divert rather than continue to DFW.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-01-03 08:44:59 and read 11076 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 14):

That works for me, thanks.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: longhauler
Posted 2013-01-03 09:02:39 and read 10788 times.

Whenever there is a medical emergency on board, the crew, through their Flight Dispatch, phone patches to MedLink or StatMD, or any of such related services.

Then, with the given medical information, and conferring with Flight Dispatch and the Systems Operational Control of the airline ... they decide where the airplane is best to go, that suggestion is given to the Captain where he usually agrees.

It is not always the closest airport, it is the closest airport with the required medical facilities for that medical condition, and the closest airport that can handle that particular aircraft. Also, when able, the airline also considers the best way not to impact the rest of the passengers and the operation.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-01-03 09:50:42 and read 10123 times.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 8):
Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 6):
Could it be, she was running drugs, internally?

I'd say her age and point of origin are a valid enough reason to suspect something along those lines.

That is a very unfair assumption. Maybe she was an upstanding law abiding citizen and unfortunately had an undetected heart condition, for example. It's very disrespectful to her and the family to assume she was committing a crime just because she was a young woman and from Latin America, before the facts are known.

If the police determine such, only then we can suspect something along those lines.

That's about as accurate as assuming I was involved in the last Seattle drive-by shooting because I'm male and live within 15 miles away (along with 1 million other people).

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: nclmedic
Posted 2013-01-03 10:34:51 and read 9572 times.

Quoting raffik (Reply 4):
Very sad about this death. Could have been DVT, or a heart condition etc.
Must be very frustrating for the crew and passengers onboard who couldn't do anything to help this poor woman.

...or a burst drugs package. All too common on these routes...

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-01-03 10:56:26 and read 9284 times.

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 18):
...or a burst drugs package. All too common on these routes...

Again, a highly inappropriate stereotype without knowing the facts. How would you like it if your brother died from something like a heart condition, and someone said, "Well, he's from London so he must have died from AIDS from being a male prostitute."?

Your guys' statements are about the same equivalent. Unless of course, you guys are Houston Police Detectives and know something factual that we don't know yet.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2013-01-03 10:58:57 and read 9261 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 19):
"Well, he's from London so he must have died from AIDS from being a male prostitute."?

That is neither a well-known stereotype nor a well-known occurance in international air travel.
Using young women to smuggle drugs is.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: Neo
Posted 2013-01-03 11:06:19 and read 9154 times.

Here are some more news:

http://noticias.uol.com.br/internaci...o-pais-sem-se-queixar-de-dores.htm

Sorry portuguese only.

Bst Rgs,

Neo

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: SCQ83
Posted 2013-01-03 11:53:25 and read 8856 times.

So sad, my condolences.

Quoting Irishpower (Reply 3):
I know we don't know the cause of death but I'm wondering if it could be another case of DVT.
Quoting raffik (Reply 4):
Very sad about this death. Could have been DVT, or a heart condition etc.

I actually had my first (hope last) DVT on new year's two days ago. Flying from Europe (with not much sleep after New Year's), in Economy (though with a good pitch). I slept during almost the whole flight, and about four or five hours after I landed, I just couldn't move my right leg... so I spent my 2nd night in 2013 in an emergency room in Manhattan. It has only been tonight that I have slept in a real bed in 2013! And I am young, relatively fit, not huge (I am 6ft and 175 lbs), hadn't drunk much alcohol and I usually move around in long flights (and I have flown long-haul in New Year's a few times during the last few years, so it is not even the 1st time I do a long flight after New Year's celebrations), probably a bad position during sleep.

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 18):
...or a burst drugs package. All too common on these routes...
Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 8):
I'd say her age and point of origin are a valid enough reason to suspect something along those lines.

I don't have words (well I do have but will not write them down here) to describe those comments. I hope they will be removed.

Btw just talking about cliches I doubt that an student from Brazil in the US is your typical drug smuggler... not everybody from Brazil is a prostitute or a drug dealer, believe it or not.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 20):
That is neither a well-known stereotype nor a well-known occurance in international air travel. Using young women to smuggle drugs is.

I guess if this would be a German woman flying with her family after spending the "Reveillon" in Copacabana, in a GIG-FRA flight, would you dare to make the same sick assumptions?

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 19):
Again, a highly inappropriate stereotype without knowing the facts. How would you like it if your brother died from something like a heart condition, and someone said, "Well, he's from London so he must have died from AIDS from being a male prostitute."?

Your guys' statements are about the same equivalent. Unless of course, you guys are Houston Police Detectives and know something factual that we don't know yet.

I couldn't have said it better!.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: AR385
Posted 2013-01-03 12:11:28 and read 8754 times.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 22):
not everybody from Brazil is a prostitute or a drug dealer, believe it or not.

She was working as an au pair too, in charge of two kids.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-01-03 12:53:30 and read 8618 times.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 20):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 19):
"Well, he's from London so he must have died from AIDS from being a male prostitute."?

That is neither a well-known stereotype nor a well-known occurance in international air travel.
Using young women to smuggle drugs is.

Related recent item re a 22-year-old from the Dominican Republic arresteed at ZRH airport two years ago with a suitcase full of cocaine she'd agreed to carry for 7,000 euros.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss_ne..._a_Swiss_prison_.html?cid=33326268

Other items from the past couple of years:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8418878.stm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-14956801
http://www.zurich4you.ch/cms/output.php?id=378&article_id=920

Excerpt from a 2010 UK Financial Times article:

More than 70,000 people a day pass through Brazil’s São Paulo Guarulhos International airport. And every day, five of them are arrested for drugs trafficking. Many of them are women; drug mules taking their chances at what has become the main exit point for people carrying cocaine from South America to the rest of the world. With flight connections to 53 countries, the airport is well positioned to supply the increasing global demand for cocaine.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-01-03 13:11:50 and read 8948 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 24):
More than 70,000 people a day pass through Brazil’s São Paulo Guarulhos International airport. And every day, five of them are arrested for drugs trafficking. Many of them are women; drug mules taking their chances at what has become the main exit point for people carrying cocaine from South America to the rest of the world. With flight connections to 53 countries, the airport is well positioned to supply the increasing global demand for cocaine.

Okay, on average 1 in every 14,000 people day leaving from GRU are trafficking drugs, so odds are good the dead woman was guilty before proven innocent. Thanks for clarifying that.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2013-01-03 13:12:53 and read 8925 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 25):
Okay, on average 1 in every 14,000 people day leaving from GRU are trafficking drugs, so odds are good the dead woman was guilty before proven innocent. Thanks for clarifying that.

Yes, because all of them get caught. That's why this practice is still in place, because the drug lords want all of their drugs confiscated...

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-01-03 13:14:13 and read 9138 times.

Well, if it looks('fits the stereotype') like a drug mule and dies('fits the stereotype') like a drug mule....then...

It's not like we're flashing her name all over the place. So far she's incognito. When the full story comes out, some of us will either be vindicated, or be the only ~5 people on Earth who would thought wrongly of this person.   

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: tp1040
Posted 2013-01-03 13:16:46 and read 9145 times.

Looking at flightaware the flight originally diverted to MSY, then shortly thereafter diverted to IAH. Who knows why, but Houston has some of the best medical care in the world.

It was reported that they had a medical emergency. I doubt the would divert if they did not think there was a chance to save her life. Also, keep in mind that flight crews are not fully trained medical professionals. They just don't say, "oh well, the passenger is dead." Seems like they made every effort to save her life but were unable.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: AR385
Posted 2013-01-03 13:26:23 and read 9132 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 25):
Okay, on average 1 in every 14,000 people day leaving from GRU are trafficking drugs, so odds are good the dead woman was guilty before proven innocent. Thanks for clarifying that.

While this is obviously not the case with this poor young lady, traffickers usually send three mules per flight. Two for actually carrying the goods, and these two are the most experienced. The other one is usually his7her first time doing this and traffickers assume that what he/she is carrying will be lost. Her/his role is to be a decoy.

In the crash of AV 052 at NYC the medical examiner had at least two bodies with cocaine pellets in their stomach, IIRC.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: Wingtips56
Posted 2013-01-03 14:19:45 and read 8918 times.

It doesn't appear MSY would have US Customs facilities open at that hour (if at all nowadays for a commercial flight). If the flight would have required clearance (first point of entry), would that have been a factor in going to IAH instead?

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-01-03 14:32:55 and read 8848 times.

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 30):
It doesn't appear MSY would have US Customs facilities open at that hour (if at all nowadays for a commercial flight). If the flight would have required clearance (first point of entry), would that have been a factor in going to IAH instead?

If it were enough of an emergency that wouldn't be a factor. Again, that was probably one factor in the Captain's decision making but not the only. It the Captain felt that getting to MSY faster was a matter of life or death for the woman, then they'd have landed at MSY. If minutes weren't going to make a critical difference, and IAH had the closest customs facility then that certainly would have influenced the decision.

We can speculate all we want, but we'd never know the REAL reason they choose to land and IAH instead of MSY without hearing from the crew involved.

Was there any significant difference in weather at MSY vs IAH? While IAH has some excellent medical care as another poster indicated, MSY is a major US city with first world medical facilities too that could just as capably handle the then-unknown medical condition of the woman.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: ltbewr
Posted 2013-01-03 18:27:50 and read 8376 times.

As with airplane crashes, several factors or a very simple one could be the cause of this woman's death. She could have had a DVT clot, an unknown heart or other health problem. I would presume a coroner in the Houston area will do a through examination of her body and a full range of blood and other tests done to determine her unfortunate death. We should not ignore the possibility of her being a 'drug mule', being an au pair could be a great cover, but we cannot get stuck in that track and ignore other possible reasons. She may have a medical problem others in her family may need to be aware of to help their lives. If she was a 'drug mule' I hope those that set her up face prosecution and if convicted, end up with life in jail for murder.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: jmc1975
Posted 2013-01-03 18:52:35 and read 8282 times.

What was the reg. number of the AA 777?

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: zrs70
Posted 2013-01-03 18:55:07 and read 8326 times.

So interesting how different reactions can be!

Inflight Death On LH 450 FRA-LAX, 7/28/07 (by Zrs70 Jul 29 2007 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=3533439&searchid=3534065&s=zrs70+died#ID3534065

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2013-01-04 01:54:50 and read 7834 times.

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 34):

So interesting how different reactions can be!

Inflight Death On LH 450 FRA-LAX, 7/28/07 (by Zrs70 Jul 29 2007 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=3533439&searchid=3534065&s=zrs70+died#ID3534065

Not really, since FRA-LAX is not really a huge drug mule route. Plus, the woman was 92, quite normal to die at that age, especially if you are already in emotional distress.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: JoePatroni707
Posted 2013-01-04 04:59:41 and read 7591 times.

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 33):
What was the reg. number of the AA 777?

7BV

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Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: Polot
Posted 2013-01-04 06:57:23 and read 7435 times.

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 33):
What was the reg. number of the AA 777?
Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 36):
7BV

AKA N760AN for those of us who don't work for AA and know their internal fleet numbers.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: 71Zulu
Posted 2013-01-04 07:02:21 and read 7419 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 37):
internal fleet numbers.

rzjets.net is a good site for decoding AA fleet numbers.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: RussianJet
Posted 2013-01-04 07:05:05 and read 7459 times.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 22):
I don't have words (well I do have but will not write them down here) to describe those comments. I hope they will be removed.

Btw just talking about cliches I doubt that an student from Brazil in the US is your typical drug smuggler... not everybody from Brazil is a prostitute or a drug dealer, believe it or not.

That's a serious overreaction. 25-yr-olds don't usually drop dead on planes, and it's a valid theory. They didn't suggest that all young females from that country smuggle drugs, but it happens to be a fact that they are often targeted to act as mules. ANY theory at this stage is clutching at straws, as we don't know the cause yet, but it's certainly a genuine possibility.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: VC10er
Posted 2013-01-04 22:35:53 and read 6812 times.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 39):

I am an American and I split my life between NYC and Rio. I too am very sensitive about people who say or repeat negatives about Brazil, in my opinion one of the greatest countries on Earth. But it is possible from any country and ironically there is a tele novella on Globo right now about criminals using young girls as mules. So, it isn't that far fetched.

That said, 15 years ago I landed with a DVT from flying often. I was only 35 and it was a shock to the doctors and of course me. I almost died frankly if I didn't go to the ER as fast as I did. I was hospitalized for 8 days. Today I'm 50, and I must wear special socks, take aspirin and I can't fly economy on flights longer than 3/4 hours, I have to keep my legs up level with my heart. A nice perk as my office needs to comply with medically keeping me in biz. But, not a perk worth a clot going to my lungs.

This is statistically more common in women...so I am anxious to hear the conclusion to this sad situation. It is a real threat, take it from someone who got a DVT in my calf from flying. It's NOT fun.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2013-01-04 23:22:29 and read 6738 times.

Quoting Polot (Reply 11):
So now you are saying that they should have diverted to IAH only if she was dead? An incredibly ill passenger doesn't warrant a diversion? I doubt she was completely fine and then just suddenly slumped over dead.

How do you know she didn't? Sudden death does occur in young people. She could have had a viral myocarditis or an underlying fatal arrhythmia or thrown a pulmonary embolus from DVT. Have you ever seen someone die of a DVT? She died in my arms during my 4th year of medical school. One second we were talking and the next second, she was dead in mid-sentence. We did everything we could, but... These things are exceedingly rare, but in the grand scheme of all air travelers in the world, they are bound to happen from time to time.

I'm not claiming to know what happened, because I don't. And neither do you. And neither does anyone else.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 13):
Had one of the suggested 'drug capsules' burst, then that would've been precisley the case.

She wouldn't have just slumped over dead. She would have gradually developed worse and worse toxicity with whatever was in the condom (that's what they use).

And has it occurred to anyone on this message board that ANYONE on the internet can read what we post here? And that it's possible that someone who knew her is reading this and is deeply shocked and hurt by what they know to be a false accusation? Yes, it's a possibility that she was a drug mule, I grant. But nobody here knows that for sure.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-01-04 23:43:17 and read 6690 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 41):
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 13):
Had one of the suggested 'drug capsules' burst, then that would've been precisley the case.

She wouldn't have just slumped over dead. She would have gradually developed worse and worse toxicity with whatever was in the condom (that's what they use).

I should've known that, having seen 'Maria, Full of Grace'. (And the theatre I saw it in...82nd just S of Roosevelt..is actually in the movie!)

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: UALWN
Posted 2013-01-05 02:39:13 and read 6528 times.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 27):
Well, if it looks('fits the stereotype') like a drug mule and dies('fits the stereotype') like a drug mule....then...

I don't get this. She looks like a drug mule because she was a 25 yo woman? So my daughter, 23, also looks like a drug mule? She died like a drug mule? How? She just died. So every young person who dies suddenly, like my brother did in 1997 of an undetected heart condition, dies like a drug mule? Come on.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: rwy04lga
Posted 2013-01-05 05:47:35 and read 6318 times.

Good news, you don't have to 'get it'.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: UALWN
Posted 2013-01-05 06:06:06 and read 6282 times.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 44):
Good news, you don't have to 'get it'.

It was just a polite way of saying that what you wrote doesn't make any sense. But I guess you didn't "get it"...

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: RussianJet
Posted 2013-01-05 06:13:25 and read 6272 times.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 40):
But it is possible from any country and ironically there is a tele novella on Globo right now about criminals using young girls as mules. So, it isn't that far fetched.

Yup. And the fact is that however great South America is, it's the world's greatest cocaine source.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 40):
That said, 15 years ago I landed with a DVT from flying often. I was only 35 and it was a shock to the doctors and of course me. I almost died frankly if I didn't go to the ER as fast as I did. I was hospitalized for 8 days. Today I'm 50, and I must wear special socks, take aspirin and I can't fly economy on flights longer than 3/4 hours, I have to keep my legs up level with my heart. A nice perk as my office needs to comply with medically keeping me in biz. But, not a perk worth a clot going to my lungs.

Welcome to the pulmonary embolism club.    Hope it's all resolved now.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2013-01-05 10:28:48 and read 5984 times.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 42):
I should've known that, having seen 'Maria, Full of Grace'.

Never trust a movie death scene.

Remember that scene in Pulp Fiction with the epinephrine shot to the heart? Yeah, that's absolute bullstool. Yet a lot of people think it was based in reality.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: 777STL
Posted 2013-01-05 10:40:34 and read 5950 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 17):
That is a very unfair assumption. Maybe she was an upstanding law abiding citizen and unfortunately had an undetected heart condition, for example. It's very disrespectful to her and the family to assume she was committing a crime just because she was a young woman and from Latin America, before the facts are known.

I don't think it is. 25 year olds typically don't randomly drop dead without a valid reason. It's a logical assumption to make, like it or not, especially given the origin.

It's amazing how emotional you guys can get over a rather benign story, jesus, relax.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: UALWN
Posted 2013-01-05 10:59:49 and read 5910 times.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 48):
It's a logical assumption to make, like it or not, especially given the origin.

It is not. I bet having an accident while carrying drug inside their bodies is not the first cause of unexpected death for 25 year old Brazilian females.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2013-01-05 11:10:41 and read 5875 times.

Quoting UALWN (Reply 49):
It is not. I bet having an accident while carrying drug inside their bodies is not the first cause of unexpected death for 25 year old Brazilian females.



I'll hazard a guess it is in the top 3 for those on long haul flights. anyone have numbers?

As others have noted it is not about stereotypes but putting all logical options on the table for a discussion (which is what we do on a.net).

drugs should not be excluded from the possibilities nor should DVT or other common/logical options.
Drug mule is 'one' of the several logical options to discuss.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: UALWN
Posted 2013-01-05 11:27:10 and read 5830 times.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 50):
I'll hazard a guess it is in the top 3 for those on long haul flights. anyone have numbers?

And I'd bet the sample is too small to draw any conclusions.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: BA0197
Posted 2013-01-05 11:52:46 and read 5801 times.

I have been a great admirer of airliners.net for quite some time now. It is always interesting to see how an argument pans out on here. I was quite excited to see a post about the station I work at for AA (probably the wrong expression in light of the circumstances). I was not working during the morning of that day, but my fellow agents clued me in on what happened.

The original intention of the flight diverting to MSY was scrapped due to two reasons. The captain was worried about crewing hours (flight time from IAH to DFW is about 15-20 min. less that MSY-DFW I would guess) and in the case of the crew running out of hours IAH would have proper customs and immigration facilities to process the pax on the flight. (as a typical note we usually get the international flights during DFW weather diversions due to a proper immigration facility at IAH).

We always try to use the BA gates; D7-9 are owned by BA. The flight was brought in and the passenger offloaded by medics dead. Pax numbers and load requirements were changed for the captain and the flight departed some thirty minutes later. It was suspected by the medics that a blood clot was the culprit here.

Well this being one of my first posts on here has been an interesting one and I plan to take a more interactive position here. P.S. We are super excited (well at least me  ) about getting another DFW flight and the JFK. Now hopefully we will get another permanent gate (A26; we need some breathing room when things go wrong  ) and get some mainline to/from LAX.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2013-01-05 12:18:18 and read 5740 times.

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 52):
I have been a great admirer of airliners.net for quite some time now. It is always interesting to see how an argument pans out on here. I was quite excited to see a post about the station I work at for AA (probably the wrong expression in light of the circumstances). I was not working during the morning of that day, but my fellow agents clued me in on what happened.

The original intention of the flight diverting to MSY was scrapped due to two reasons. The captain was worried about crewing hours (flight time from IAH to DFW is about 15-20 min. less that MSY-DFW I would guess) and in the case of the crew running out of hours IAH would have proper customs and immigration facilities to process the pax on the flight. (as a typical note we usually get the international flights during DFW weather diversions due to a proper immigration facility at IAH).

We always try to use the BA gates; D7-9 are owned by BA. The flight was brought in and the passenger offloaded by medics dead. Pax numbers and load requirements were changed for the captain and the flight departed some thirty minutes later. It was suspected by the medics that a blood clot was the culprit here.

Well this being one of my first posts on here has been an interesting one and I plan to take a more interactive position here. P.S. We are super excited (well at least me ) about getting another DFW flight and the JFK. Now hopefully we will get another permanent gate (A26; we need some breathing room when things go wrong ) and get some mainline to/from LAX.

Great write-up albeit as you note under sad circumstances.
Thank you for providing more information too which hopefully will calm some folks down!

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-01-05 13:09:41 and read 5664 times.

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 52):

Stupid question and pardon my utter obliviousness, but is the blood clot a case of DVT?

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: BA0197
Posted 2013-01-05 13:17:03 and read 5663 times.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 54):

The medics of course did not have time to go into details with the AA agents; they simply told our supervisor at that time that they suspected the death was due to a blood clot. So, it could have been DVT or a stoke. No foul play was suspected although I guess no one will know until an autopsy is done.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2013-01-05 18:25:17 and read 5371 times.

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 55):
The medics of course did not have time to go into details with the AA agents; they simply told our supervisor at that time that they suspected the death was due to a blood clot. So, it could have been DVT or a stoke. No foul play was suspected although I guess no one will know until an autopsy is done.

And, especially in the case of an untimely/sudden/unexplained death, coroner's reports can take weeks to months to be released and may or may not be made public.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-01-05 18:53:56 and read 5319 times.

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 55):
The medics of course did not have time to go into details with the AA agents; they simply told our supervisor at that time that they suspected the death was due to a blood clot. So, it could have been DVT or a stoke. No foul play was suspected although I guess no one will know until an autopsy is done.

Thanks, yeah I imagine discussing this stuff with the AA employees isn't the EMTs' first priority.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: spacecadet
Posted 2013-01-05 21:02:26 and read 5086 times.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 48):
25 year olds typically don't randomly drop dead without a valid reason.

Believe it or not, they drop dead randomly a lot more often than they drop dead from carrying drugs inside their rectum. If we're talking strictly percentages here, we should be speculating on what purely medical cause there could be for her death. The only reason anyone's talking about drugs is because of some stereotype people have about Brazil.

There are many, many medical causes for dropping dead "randomly" at 25, from aortic or brain aneurysms to spontaneous pheumothorax, and they happen literally all the time.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: type-rated
Posted 2013-01-06 13:10:35 and read 4718 times.

A few years ago I had a cousin die from DVT. She had made a flight LHR-ORD and after she was finished up with customs she told her parents she "didn't feel right, but I'll be ok". She got home said she was going to take a nap and a few hours later when her parents tried to wake her, she was already gone." Her autopsy revealed DVT as the cause. She was 37 at the time.

For years now I have preached to my family & friends that because of the possiblilty of DVT they should wear pressure stockings and get up and walk around the cabin at least once per hour as a preventative. I usually get strange looks from them.

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2013-01-06 14:46:01 and read 4590 times.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 20):
Using young women to smuggle drugs is.

Yes. Remember the award-winning movie on the subject?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Full_of_Grace

Topic: RE: Woman Dies On AA Flight From Brazil To Dallas
Username: toobz
Posted 2013-01-06 15:06:06 and read 4535 times.

Folks nobody said she died from trafficking drugs...it was a possible suggestion. Which I don't find to be that outrageous. It was possible. Touchy touchy...the most important issue here now is that her family find peace and may she RIP.


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