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Topic: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: b764
Posted 2013-01-01 20:52:35 and read 14714 times.

I've lost track of where they are flying in/out of for winter 2013. Anyone have know where they will be going in Summer 2013?

Thanks in advance.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: premobrimo
Posted 2013-01-01 21:04:18 and read 14687 times.

Sorry, this is for Summer 2013..

SEA, BKK and KIX will see the additions for summer. The others are current..

SEA-NRT
JFK-NRT
ATL-NRT
DTW-NRT
NRT-MNL
NRT-TPE
NRT-BKK
NRT-HNL
JFK-TLV
DTW-NGO
NGO-MNL
HNL-KIX

[Edited 2013-01-01 21:06:24]

[Edited 2013-01-01 21:08:30]

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-01-01 21:17:03 and read 14608 times.

You can download the DL flight schedule

http://www.delta.com/schedules/trave...eservations/flight_sched/index.jsp

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Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: Concordski
Posted 2013-01-01 21:20:11 and read 14579 times.

Interesting note that I thought was interesting is that DL's JFK-TLV is the only 747 route that doesn't either originate or terminate in Japan.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: steex
Posted 2013-01-01 21:20:29 and read 14586 times.

Current routes

DL 172 MNL-NRT-JFK
DL 173 JFK-NRT-MNL

DL 268 JFK-TLV
DL 269 TLV-JFK

DL 275 DTW-NRT-TPE
DL 276 TPE-NRT-DTW

DL 277 HNL-KIX
DL 278 KIX-HNL

DL 295 ATL-NRT
DL 296 NRT-ATL

DL 578 NRT-HNL
DL 579 HNL-NRT

DL 629 DTW-NGO-MNL
DL 630 MNL-NGO-DTW

DL 638 NRT-HNL
DL 639 HNL-NRT

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-01-01 21:24:33 and read 14550 times.

Quoting premobrimo (Reply 1):
ATL-NRT

Wasn't this a 77L last year?

Quoting Concordski (Reply 3):
Interesting note that I thought was interesting is that DL's JFK-TLV is the only 747 route that doesn't either originate or terminate in Japan.

Yep but remember another 744 comes in from NRT so this plane could be originally sent from NRT from time to time.

Where are the 744 crew bases, besides DTW?

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: premobrimo
Posted 2013-01-01 21:32:09 and read 14487 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):

Only pilot base is DTW.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: steex
Posted 2013-01-01 21:36:22 and read 14464 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Wasn't this a 77L last year?

It was a 744 most of 2012, but had previously been a 77L (generally continuing onto SIN at that time, I believe). DL currently has the ATL flight numbers tied to PVG, with change of gauge to 333 for NRT-PVG-NRT.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-01-01 22:18:30 and read 14301 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Wasn't this a 77L last year?

early last year. As soon as Delta could run it with lie-flats it went back the 747.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2013-01-01 22:56:32 and read 14172 times.

Quoting premobrimo (Reply 1):

NRT-MNL
NGO-MNL

Has either route been any less than a 744 in recent years?

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: steex
Posted 2013-01-01 23:12:32 and read 14136 times.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 9):
Has either route been any less than a 744 in recent years?

Not that I can recall, though DL did for a time supplement NRT-MNL with a second flight using the 752 on peak days.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: nickofatlanta
Posted 2013-01-01 23:28:32 and read 14086 times.

Does anyone know if DL is still considering using the 744 on LAX-SYD? I know there were rumours of this in a thread here a few months ago.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-01-02 00:01:50 and read 13987 times.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 9):
Has either route been any less than a 744 in recent years?

at one point DTW-NGO-MNL was a 777. IIRC it was when DTW-PVG was a 744.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: centrair
Posted 2013-01-02 03:39:08 and read 13782 times.

When was DTW-NGO-MNL a 777? How'd I miss that?

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: B747forever
Posted 2013-01-02 05:25:54 and read 13575 times.

Quoting nickofatlanta (Reply 11):
Does anyone know if DL is still considering using the 744 on LAX-SYD?

Do they really need that extra capacity to SYD?

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: Hooverman
Posted 2013-01-02 06:21:09 and read 13028 times.

Quoting premobrimo (Reply 1):
SEA-NRT
JFK-NRT
ATL-NRT
DTW-NRT
NRT-MNL
NRT-TPE
NRT-BKK
NRT-HNL
JFK-TLV
DTW-NGO
NGO-MNL
HNL-KIX

I was hoping for DTW-AMS but I guess they need the aircraft somewhere else.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-01-02 06:31:47 and read 12894 times.

DL did not operate a 744 on any of the DTW-AMS flights in Summer 2012 and is not planning to again in 2013. One of the flights will be a 777 though.

LAX-SYD is not scheduled or planned to be changed from a 77L to a 744. The timing if at all would be during the Southern Hemisphere summer / Northern Winter (which is now).

If anything, DL would like to get a 744 on ATL-GRU, but they apparently cannot get the slots in the weight class.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: workhorse
Posted 2013-01-02 06:58:37 and read 12521 times.

Quoting steex (Reply 4):
DL 172 MNL-NRT-JFK
DL 173 JFK-NRT-MNL

DL 268 JFK-TLV
DL 269 TLV-JFK

DL 275 DTW-NRT-TPE
DL 276 TPE-NRT-DTW

DL 277 HNL-KIX
DL 278 KIX-HNL

DL 295 ATL-NRT
DL 296 NRT-ATL

DL 578 NRT-HNL
DL 579 HNL-NRT

DL 629 DTW-NGO-MNL
DL 630 MNL-NGO-DTW

DL 638 NRT-HNL
DL 639 HNL-NRT

Seems that the planes routing goes like that:

MNL-NGO-DTW-NRT-TPE
TPE-NRT-DTW-NGO-MNL

MNL-NRT-JFK-TLV
TLV-JFK-NRT-MNL

ATL-NRT-HNL
HNL-NRT-ATL

NRT-HNL-KIX
KIX-HNL-NRT

How many aircraft is needed to do that schedule? I guess 4 aircraft for the first one, 2 for the last one and 3 for the remaining two. DL has 16 744's, so they definetely could open up some more routes with them, couln't they?

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: NASCARAirforce
Posted 2013-01-02 07:00:27 and read 12493 times.

Delta is flying a 747-400 today TPA -DTW, but that is carrying the University of Michigan football team after the Outback Bowl.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: B747forever
Posted 2013-01-02 07:29:20 and read 12092 times.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 16):
DL did not operate a 744 on any of the DTW-AMS flights in Summer 2012 and is not planning to again in 2013.

Last time they sent the 747 to AMS was S11.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: Hooverman
Posted 2013-01-02 08:04:43 and read 11610 times.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 16):
DL did not operate a 744 on any of the DTW-AMS flights in Summer 2012 and is not planning to again in 2013. One of the flights will be a 777 though.
Quoting B747forever (Reply 19):
Last time they sent the 747 to AMS was S11.


That's why I was hoping for a return. The 777 is a nice change though.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: dlflynhayn
Posted 2013-01-02 09:53:54 and read 10549 times.

Quoting Hooverman (Reply 20):
That's why I was hoping for a return. The 777 is a nice change though.

I will be on that 777 to AMS from DTW in two weeks can't wait..Was hoping to have a 747 to AMS this year but oh well,haven't been on a DL 777/747 so at least i can scratch one aircraft type off the bucket list  

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: MountainFlyer
Posted 2013-01-02 10:02:25 and read 10410 times.

Quoting premobrimo (Reply 1):
SEA-NRT

My how things have changed. MSP-NRT is no longer a 744, but they're adding one to SEA.

I remember the days when you could see three or four 747's at MSP at once. I remember flying AMS-MSP on a 742 back in 2002.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-01-02 11:19:02 and read 9628 times.

Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 22):
My how things have changed. MSP-NRT is no longer a 744, but they're adding one to SEA.

NW's SEA-NRT was a 747-200 for many years up until the A332s were introduced, so that's not really something radically new.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: 727LOVER
Posted 2013-01-02 11:42:53 and read 9394 times.

What was the NW schedule back in summer 2008?

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: jet-lagged
Posted 2013-01-02 11:52:34 and read 9548 times.

Quoting workhorse (Reply 17):
Seems that the planes routing goes like that:

That is insightful and interesting. Thanks.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-01-02 11:55:09 and read 9665 times.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 24):
What was the NW schedule back in summer 2008?

NW 744 Schedule for Summer 2008:

DTW-AMS
DTW-NRT
DTW-NRT (second daily flight)
DTW-KIX
DTW-NGO

HNL-KIX
HNL-NRT

MSP-NRT (8x weekly)

LAX-NRT

NRT-HKG
NRT-MNL
NRT-PEK

NGO-MNL

KIX-TPE

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: NASCARAirforce
Posted 2013-01-02 11:57:17 and read 9754 times.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 24):
What was the NW schedule back in summer 2008?

Out of DTW it would have been 2X NRT, 1X NGO, 1X AMS

I think KIX discontinued sometime before that.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: NASCARAirforce
Posted 2013-01-02 12:03:16 and read 9660 times.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 24):

I could be wrong for Northwest - these operated at one time. I believe KIX discontinued DTW before 2008, but I do recall Northwest operating at least 747s daily into DTW.

MNL-NGO-DTW
TPE-NRT-DTW
PEK-NRT-DTW
BOM-AMS-DTW

NRT-MSP

NRT-LAX

NRT-JFK
KIX-JFK

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-01-02 12:20:10 and read 9478 times.

DTW-KIX was dropped at the end of 2008

JFK-NRT was dropped back in 2005. For a brief period in the early 2000s, NW operated a 744 on a JFK-AMS flight between rotations back to NRT.

NW never flew JFK-KIX

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: delta747tlv
Posted 2013-01-02 14:02:29 and read 8557 times.

Quoting workhorse (Reply 17):
How many aircraft is needed to do that schedule? I guess 4 aircraft for the first one, 2 for the last one and 3 for the remaining two. DL has 16 744's, so they definetely could open up some more routes with them, couln't they?

Several 744s are regularly used for military charters and sports charters like fans and teams to super bowl or college bowl games. I'm sure we could use the 74 on other routes but it is so much more profitable on the charters.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: nickofatlanta
Posted 2013-01-02 15:23:11 and read 7859 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 29):

They did back in the day as part of their JFK-Osaka-Sydney route.

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/03/12/bu...ve-against-northwest-airlines.html

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: 727LOVER
Posted 2013-01-02 15:39:18 and read 7690 times.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 26):
NW 744 Schedule for Summer 2008:

DTW-AMS
DTW-NRT
DTW-NRT (second daily flight)
DTW-KIX
DTW-NGO

HNL-KIX
HNL-NRT

MSP-NRT (8x weekly)

LAX-NRT

NRT-HKG
NRT-MNL
NRT-PEK

NGO-MNL

KIX-TPE

WOW....I didn't realize MSP had only one 744 route.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: airtechy
Posted 2013-01-02 15:52:23 and read 7573 times.

I am extremely glad Delta will put the 747 back on the NRT to BKK route. Those BE seats on the 333 are horrible. Once the seats are reclined, it is impossible to exit the window seats gracefully. The new lie flats with direct aisle access ..especially the ones on the 747...are great. With their crazy business class seating arrangement, I just don't understand how UA can compete against the new Delta seating.

Also, the current NRT to BKK flights are always packed. Maybe I can get on now.   

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-01-02 16:30:20 and read 7207 times.

Quoting centrair (Reply 13):

off and on last year.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: NASCARAirforce
Posted 2013-01-02 16:35:12 and read 7205 times.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 29):
DTW-KIX was dropped at the end of 2008

JFK-NRT was dropped back in 2005. For a brief period in the early 2000s, NW operated a 744 on a JFK-AMS flight between rotations back to NRT.

NW never flew JFK-KIX

You are 100% right - I was half asleep when I wrote that. I meant LAX-KIX, but I could also be wrong on that. I know DTW was getting 5 regularly scheduled 744s a day for a while, now just 2 NGO and NRT as some of the other routes to Asia are 772s

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 32):
WOW....I didn't realize MSP had only one 744 route.

DTW was almost always the Asian hub for NW at least since they built the DTW hub after the REpublic merger in 1986. MSP pretty much only got the one NWA Asian flight, which was a 742 for most of the 1990s. They also didn't get much from Europe - had an Oslo flight for a short while in the 1990s, but in the 2000s just LGW and AMS until they recently added CDG too, so DTW was also the NWA European hub in the US.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-01-02 17:39:50 and read 6669 times.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 32):
Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 26):
NW 744 Schedule for Summer 2008:

DTW-AMS
DTW-NRT
DTW-NRT (second daily flight)
DTW-KIX
DTW-NGO

HNL-KIX
HNL-NRT

MSP-NRT (8x weekly)

LAX-NRT

NRT-HKG
NRT-MNL
NRT-PEK

NGO-MNL

KIX-TPE

WOW....I didn't realize MSP had only one 744 route.

At the same time, it shows the 744 was utilized to the very limit in '08

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: SESGDL
Posted 2013-01-02 19:01:33 and read 6082 times.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 35):
DTW was almost always the Asian hub for NW at least since they built the DTW hub after the REpublic merger in 1986. MSP pretty much only got the one NWA Asian flight, which was a 742 for most of the 1990s. They also didn't get much from Europe - had an Oslo flight for a short while in the 1990s, but in the 2000s just LGW and AMS until they recently added CDG too, so DTW was also the NWA European hub in the US.

This is not true. In the late 90s MSP-NRT was twice daily, in addition to daily MSP-KIX service as well 3x weekly MSP-HKG that operated for a short time.

Jeremy

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-01-02 19:30:37 and read 5851 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 36):
At the same time, it shows the 744 was utilized to the very limit in '08

Yes, and this was really the last time the 744 fleet was effectively scheduled to its maximum utilization. Although the 744 on DTW-AMS was generally a summer-only upgauge at this point.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 37):
This is not true. In the late 90s MSP-NRT was twice daily, in addition to daily MSP-KIX service as well 3x weekly MSP-HKG that operated for a short time.

I can't rememeber which routes were 747-100/200/400 during these periods. Also MSP-HNL was flown periodically with a 742.

Quoting nickofatlanta (Reply 31):
They did back in the day as part of their JFK-Osaka-Sydney route

Never knew that this route was operated.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 32):
WOW....I didn't realize MSP had only one 744 route.

It's been that way since the late 90s, except of when NW periodically had more than 1 flight per day on MSP-NRT.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-01-02 19:42:05 and read 5748 times.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 38):
Yes, and this was really the last time the 744 fleet was effectively scheduled to its maximum utilization. Although the 744 on DTW-AMS was generally a summer-only upgauge at this point.

Now post-merger has DL ever used the 744 on DTW-AMS?

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-01-02 19:43:55 and read 5746 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 39):

last year.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-01-02 20:06:48 and read 5603 times.

The last time DL flew the 744 on DTW-AMS was summer 2011.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: mplsjefe
Posted 2013-01-02 20:15:42 and read 5581 times.

Any chance DL will bring the 744 back to MSP-NRT. Love the 77L, but miss the Queen of the skies...

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-01-02 20:18:43 and read 5547 times.

There is always a chance, but its not scheduled to happen at this time.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: PHX787
Posted 2013-01-02 20:40:46 and read 5428 times.

Quoting mplsjefe (Reply 42):
Any chance DL will bring the 744 back to MSP-NRT. Love the 77L, but miss the Queen of the skies...
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 43):
There is always a chance, but its not scheduled to happen at this time.

the chance I see is if the JFK-TLV route gets downgagued to a 77L....always strikes me that this route is a 744 route.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: SR117
Posted 2013-01-02 20:51:18 and read 5338 times.

Quoting centrair (Reply 13):

When was DTW-NGO-MNL a 777? How'd I miss that?

It was changed to a 777 briefly after the traffic slump that followed the Tohoku earthquake.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: Cactus742
Posted 2013-01-02 22:26:48 and read 5187 times.

Isn't HNL a 744 base? Or at least a crew base?

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-01-03 07:07:46 and read 5011 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 44):
the chance I see is if the JFK-TLV route gets downgagued to a 77L....always strikes me that this route is a 744 route.

JFK-TLV is not getting downgauged.
There is currently no DL 777's that fly into JFK. The 744s are routed as such they fly NRT-JFK-TLV-JFK-NRT. In addition, DL cut its ATL-TLV flights in favor on concentrating traffic to JFK and upgauging to the 744. There is plenty of demand from NYC for TLV.

Quoting Cactus742 (Reply 46):
Isn't HNL a 744 base? Or at least a crew base?

HNL is only an FA crew base, not a pilot base.
The only 744 pilot base is DTW.
MSP and ANC used to have a 747-200 pilot base.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: brilondon
Posted 2013-01-03 08:38:58 and read 4807 times.

Did NW/DL ever send the 744 to London either LHR or LGW?

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-01-03 08:48:41 and read 4801 times.

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 51):
Are you even an employee?? cause im sure i saw it on delta travelnet last year when i was planning on going to AMS.It didn't last that long i believe was only operating for a few months....Ended sometime before summer maybe even May,not sure if i can go and look up last year on the travelnet.

I'm not an employee and do not have travelenet access. I am in DTW weekly and did make a trip to AMS last summer and I can tell you they did not regularly schedule the 744 on DTW-AMS in 2012.

Plus this topic came up numerous times on a.net last year, and the 744 was not loaded in the schedule for 2012. 2011, yes it was there.
DL 747 DTW-AMS Summer Schedule 2012? (by b764 Oct 16 2011 in Civil Aviation)
DL 744 Routes Summer 2012 (by PHX787 Apr 29 2012 in Civil Aviation)
Current DL 744 Routes? (by Jackbr Aug 5 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting brilondon (Reply 52):
Did NW/DL ever send the 744 to London either LHR or LGW?

NW never had access to LHR until 2008.
NW flew LGW with 747-100 & 200s, then switched to DC-10-30, then to A330-300 (then briefly with a 75A when they ran DTW-LHR & LGW concurrently).

LGW was not a scheduled 744 route, but it is possilble and likely they did receive a 744 substitution as some point.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: B747forever
Posted 2013-01-03 08:53:24 and read 4765 times.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 50):
Summer 2011 was the last time DL schedule the 747-400 on DTW-AMS.

I (and others) are sure of this.

Correct. The 744 was deployed on DL242 that summer.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: dlflynhayn
Posted 2013-01-03 09:32:55 and read 4701 times.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 53):
I am in DTW weekly and did make a trip to AMS last summer and I can tell you they did not regularly schedule the 744 on DTW-AMS in 2012.

Can't seem to find the Schedules in the winter of 2012 from DTW-AMS..I know the 747 wasn't deployed in the summer thus why i said winter schedule! oh well maybe i am off since i cant find it..Sorry

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: srbmod
Posted 2013-01-03 12:23:12 and read 4518 times.

Quoting steex (Reply 4):
DL 295 ATL-NRT
DL 296 NRT-ATL

So does this a/c sit at ATL for over 22 hours? According to the schedule, DL 295 departs ATL at 12:05 PM and DL 296 arrives at ATL at 1:40 PM.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-01-03 12:43:15 and read 4474 times.

Yes, and provides an opportunity for line RON/RAD maintenance.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2013-01-03 16:25:34 and read 4308 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 41):

Crap sorry. Summer 2011.

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: 727LOVER
Posted 2013-01-04 06:01:32 and read 4043 times.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 52):

Yes, a friend was telling me that the other day. Is it hogging a gate the whole time?

That thing could make 3 MCO runs!

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: KDTWflyer
Posted 2013-01-04 21:46:48 and read 3716 times.

I flew on a DAL B744 from AMS-DTW in June 2011. I really wish the B744 would return to the DTW-AMS route because two engines across the pond is boring :P

At least now DTW-AMS DAL248 has been moved up to a B772  

I find it curious that the B744 no longer flies out of MSP since it flew out of there for so many years. One would think you would see it subbed in now and then but I haven't seen any evidence of that. Now if only it could resume LAX-NRT and then I could take a domestic repo from DTW-LAX maybe 

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: Flighty
Posted 2013-01-04 22:03:35 and read 3689 times.

Quoting KDTWflyer (Reply 56):
I find it curious that the B744 no longer flies out of MSP since it flew out of there for so many years.

Being closer to Asia, MSP generally got 747 Classics (to NRT) and DC-10s (for other oceanic flights) during the 1970s-2005 or so, when the 747 Classic was retired. The 744 was mainly used from DTW and JFK IIRC. MSP-HKG was 744, of course. Something tells me that flight had $199 return fares in about 1997 IIRC. Of course, oil was 10 dollars a barrel, so why not. NW still lost their butts on that.

[Edited 2013-01-04 22:08:06]

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: steex
Posted 2013-01-04 22:18:28 and read 3652 times.

Quoting KDTWflyer (Reply 56):
At least now DTW-AMS DAL248 has been moved up to a B772

Well, I'm not 100% sure I would say it moved "up" in that it isn't an upgauge. The B772 seats fewer pax than the A333 in DL's configurations.

Quoting KDTWflyer (Reply 56):
Now if only it could resume LAX-NRT and then I could take a domestic repo from DTW-LAX maybe 

I suppose that could happen as a one time thing, but generally speaking, DL would be unlikely to schedule a domestic 744 for this purpose. They would simply rotate the planes through NRT as they do now and have when they previously operated LAX-NRT on the 744. But hey, we can all dream!  Smile

[Edited 2013-01-04 22:19:09]

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2013-01-05 01:44:59 and read 3552 times.

On DTW-NGO-MNL: currently, this flight currently operates 5x weekly. Philippine news outlets have reported that DL filed an application with the Civil Aeronautics Board of the Philippines to increase service to once daily by May. According to the Daily Tribune:

Quote:
Delta Air Lines has filed a revised schedule with the Civil Aviation Bureau to increase services from Manila to Detroit via Nagoya from five times weekly to a daily service. The sixth frequency will commence on March 5, 2013 and the increase to daily will occur on May 3, 2013.

The increase in frequency manifests Delta’s continued commitment to the Philippines, particularly with the Philippine Congress approval of Senate Bill 3343 on Dec. 19, 2012. The recently approved legislation will revise the current taxation on foreign airlines by eliminating the Common Carrier’s Tax and the Gross Philippine Billings Tax.

http://www.tribune.net.ph/index.php/...r-eyes-daily-flights-between-us-rp

(N.B.: The "Civil Aviation Bureau" is the Civil Aeronautics Board. As always, shoddy journalism.)

For those who are unfamiliar with Philippine civil aviation, DL is one of a handful of airlines (KL being the most vocal of the bunch) advocating for the abolition of the common carrier and gross Philippine billing taxes, taxes passed in the 1990s both as a revenue-generating measure and as a protectionist measure to help PR. These taxes generated around P2.5 billion for the Philippines, but they are set to be abolished sometime this year if Congress passes the final measure by February, presuming that the elections don't get in the way.

I presume there are enough 744s for this route to go daily, right?

Topic: RE: Current DL 744 Routes
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2013-01-07 05:13:58 and read 3063 times.

Quoting steex (Reply 58):
Well, I'm not 100% sure I would say it moved "up" in that it isn't an upgauge. The B772 seats fewer pax than the A333 in DL's configurations.

That is a good point. DL's A330-300 seat more than the 772's. However, DTW-AMS has also see A330-200s and 767-300ERs is recent times too. Capacity is always adjusted to match demand. Plus DTW-CDG is now going 2x daily during peak season. (One AF & one DL)

Quoting steex (Reply 58):
I suppose that could happen as a one time thing, but generally speaking, DL would be unlikely to schedule a domestic 744 for this purpose. They would simply rotate the planes through NRT as they do now and have when they previously operated LAX-NRT on the 744. But hey, we can all dream!

No, however look for a limited amount of scheduled 744 flight around Thanksgiving or possibly 4th of July weekend on DTW-LAX or ATL-LAX. They usually aren't loaded until about 2 months out.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 59):
I presume there are enough 744s for this route to go daily, right?

Yes, DTW-NGO-MNL has been daily in the past.


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