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Topic: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: g500
Posted 2013-01-07 03:56:57 and read 11603 times.

Emirates chief says he needs 30 more A380s to open routes. He says landing slots and space at Dubai, plus landing slots and curfews at destinations are preventing further expansion.

I'm completely mesmerized and dumbfounded as to where the money and passengers are coming from to fill all these large airplanes. We're talking about a city state with a population of 2.1 mil


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...rjumbos-for-network-expansion.html

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2013-01-07 04:03:50 and read 11588 times.

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
I'm completely mesmerized and dumbfounded as to where the money and passengers are coming from to fill all these large airplanes. We're talking about a city state with a population of 2.1 mil

You need to remember that EK doesn't rely only on pax from DXB but from other places as well...

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: warden145
Posted 2013-01-07 04:17:56 and read 11459 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 1):
You need to remember that EK doesn't rely only on pax from DXB but from other places as well...

   IIRC most of EK's traffic is connecting as opposed to originating in or ending at DXB.

I thought that the only reason EK wasn't already using the A380 on LAX and SFO was that the current ones would be payload-restricted on these two routes? I recall hearing on here that EK was waiting until a higher-MTOW variant was in their fleet before upgauging these routes. I could be completely off, of course, but that's what I recall hearing/reading...

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: scouseflyer
Posted 2013-01-07 04:23:07 and read 11420 times.

I wonder if this is the "significant" MoU that JL has been talkign about - will make people on here grumpy - not that exciting but a $10B order notheless.


to add to 817Dreamlifter's point - EK are tryign to make DXB the centre of the world as far as connecting flights between West and East and it's very compelling - I can get a 1 change flight to 6 (I think!) destinations in Australia from my local large airport (MCR), before EK there was likely 1 or maybe 2 one-stop flights from there to Aus otherwise I'd need to connect via LHR, AMS or CDG to a 1 stopper.

If they keep adding destinations they will kill most of the legacy cariers that rely on West to East traffic - witnes QF's capitulation on the Kangeroo route. Their growth is remarkable - they have 31 A380s now and within 2 years they will have more A380s than BA has 744s

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: musapapaya
Posted 2013-01-07 04:28:44 and read 11373 times.

in a way, im happy to see EK seems to be growing and growing and their momentum is so strong. I used them to go to SYD from MAN for xmas and literally just got off EK017, operated by A6-EEC, delivered in November 2012. About 50% of the handle on the window shades observed were broken, I am disappointed that a 2 month old aircraft is worn out like this already.

But this is a different matter.... i still prefer to go via other european airports compared to DXB, DXB is just a hectic place.....

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: mal787
Posted 2013-01-07 04:37:32 and read 11328 times.

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 4):
i still prefer to go via other european airports compared to DXB, DXB is just a hectic place.....

Same here, I am doing Sydney> London in May and I am doing QF5 to Frankfurt onward to London, returning on QF6 . The lure of Dubai is nothing for me

mal787

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: g500
Posted 2013-01-07 05:22:53 and read 11098 times.

"You need to remember that EK doesn't rely only on pax from DXB but from other places as well..."

I remember that. Actually Emirates relies on connecting passengers, O&D traffic from Dubai is the icing on the cake.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: musapapaya
Posted 2013-01-07 05:25:40 and read 11083 times.

Quoting mal787 (Reply 5):
Same here, I am doing Sydney> London in May and I am doing QF5 to Frankfurt onward to London, returning on QF6 . The lure of Dubai is nothing for me

Why not do QF1 and 2 on the A380? Just curious....

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: mal787
Posted 2013-01-07 05:30:41 and read 11030 times.

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 7):
Why not do QF1 and 2 on the A380? Just curious....Lufthansa Group of Airlines

From April 1 both route via Dubai , and as I said above the Dubai link does nothing for me arriving in a bank of 20 380's and all the associated transit pax , no thanks . I am going in J both ways but from what I have been told from friends who do EK it will still be a nightmare

mal787

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: cipango
Posted 2013-01-07 05:37:21 and read 10991 times.

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 4):
i still prefer to go via other european airports compared to DXB, DXB is just a hectic place.....

Im starting to agree. I flew with EK for many years and back in 2008 when I flew them MAN-DXB-SYD and return it was a great airport to fly through, however I don't think Terminal 3 is anywhere near what EK needs to fulfil their expansion.

It is becoming the LHR of the Middle East. Immigration in DXB is the slowest I have ever come across (have been in quite a short queue for over an hour many times) and when you pass security you enter into the real life definition of "Hustle and Bustle".

DXB has recently opened a dedicated A380 terminal, however this will only ease the crowds for so long. I remember laughing at the idiocy of the New World Airport in Jebel Ali, Dubai at their ambition and the size being "unnecessary". I think I may have to retract my comments. It will indeed be needed very soon.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: bthebest
Posted 2013-01-07 06:33:03 and read 10721 times.

Quoting mal787 (Reply 5):
Same here, I am doing Sydney> London in May and I am doing QF5 to Frankfurt onward to London, returning on QF6 . The lure of Dubai is nothing for me

I was confused by your logic at first as I was under the impression that all QF European flights were routing through DXB with the new alliance, but despite that being reported in most news articles, it is only LHR flights that are routing through DXB?

I looked at QF flights in May to FRA on their website and weirdly it doesn't even give QF5/6 as an option, instead just routing on BA flights!?

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: stlgph
Posted 2013-01-07 07:07:43 and read 10538 times.

Bloomberg reporting Emirates would like 30 more A380's for expansion.

SFO, IAH, and LAX mentioned, of course.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...rjumbos-for-network-expansion.html

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: r2rho
Posted 2013-01-07 07:08:06 and read 10535 times.

Quoting warden145 (Reply 2):

I thought that the only reason EK wasn't already using the A380 on LAX and SFO was that the current ones would be payload-restricted on these two routes? I recall hearing on here that EK was waiting until a higher-MTOW variant was in their fleet before upgauging these routes.

You are entirely correct. And the new higher MTOW A380's with new wing twist that will start to be delivered from BA #001 onwards may likely enable EK to fly these routes with the payload they require.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: solnabo
Posted 2013-01-07 07:30:29 and read 10419 times.

Tim Clark :

"Emirates A380s flying today are already three or four tons lighter than when the carrier took its first planes, and other improvements from Toulouse"

Woow had no idea

Better if EK stop "shower room" in first imo

Cheers 

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: qf002
Posted 2013-01-07 08:18:55 and read 10157 times.

Would it not make more sense for EK to look at increasing frequency to the west coast before looking at flying in larger planes? An 8-9am departure should arrive in DXB to meet the afternoon departure wave.

Now to go a little off topic:

Quoting mal787 (Reply 8):
From April 1 both route via Dubai , and as I said above the Dubai link does nothing for me arriving in a bank of 20 380's and all the associated transit pax , no thanks . I am going in J both ways but from what I have been told from friends who do EK it will still be a nightmare

QF's timings mean that through passengers miss the worst of the rush (especially outbound), which should be pretty bearable for the next year or so anyway given how much space is being added with the new concourse.

Personally I'd be concerned about going through FRA, but each to their own.

Quoting bthebest (Reply 10):
I was confused by your logic at first as I was under the impression that all QF European flights were routing through DXB with the new alliance, but despite that being reported in most news articles, it is only LHR flights that are routing through DXB?

I looked at QF flights in May to FRA on their website and weirdly it doesn't even give QF5/6 as an option, instead just routing on BA flights!?

FRA continues until October, and will retain the SIN stop.

Try different dates -- there are a few random dates when there is no service scheduled (outbound on the 6th, 8th and 17th are the only ones from what I can see). All other dates are showing QF5/6.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: United885
Posted 2013-01-07 08:51:37 and read 9672 times.

Quoting solnabo (Reply 13):
Tim Clark :

"Emirates A380s flying today are already three or four tons lighter than when the carrier took its first planes, and other improvements from Toulouse"

But that´s usually the way. Remember, EK´s first A380, A6-EDF was MSN no. 7....
Normaly, all aircrafts until MSN 50 i guess, have a bigger weight than stated. After a few years, the builded units adjust themself to given speciality.

Quoting warden145 (Reply 2):
I recall hearing on here that EK was waiting until a higher-MTOW variant was in their fleet before upgauging these routes

That´s right. There where even roumors to build a A380-800R with enhanced range on the base of the higher MTOW-aircrafts. But i´m not sure if there were already talkings with Emirates or other Airlines.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-01-07 09:05:38 and read 9588 times.

Well LAX is no surprise.

EK for years not has been describing their needed A380 range yard-stick as being able reaching LAX with a full payload.

Even during the 2008 LAX launch festivities (which they brought an A380 in to show travel agents) they mentioned their desire to utilize the A380 as soon as they could eek out the needed range.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 1):
You need to remember that EK doesn't rely only on pax from DXB but from other places as well...

  

As I posted in another thread, the EK network has transfer traffic account for about 70 percent of total enplanements these days.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: DFWHeavy
Posted 2013-01-07 10:19:00 and read 9521 times.

My bet is that IAH soon gets the 380. Will they have to re-time their flight since Lufthansa also flies the 380 to IAH and there is only 1 gate capable of handling the 380?

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: flyingalex
Posted 2013-01-07 11:16:30 and read 9052 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 14):
Personally I'd be concerned about going through FRA, but each to their own.

A connection within FRA T2 (where both QF and BA are) is incredibly easy. This is the terminal where the vast majority of traffic is O&D. It's T1 (with LH and all its partners) that can get really messy.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: B747forever
Posted 2013-01-07 11:43:31 and read 8763 times.

Why not add a second rotation to LAX as they had a year or two ago?

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2013-01-07 11:48:59 and read 8696 times.

Quoting United885 (Reply 15):
EK´s first A380, A6-EDF was MSN no. 7....

Sorry for nitpicking (klugscheissing   ) but EK's first A 380 was MSN 011, A6-EDA.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: United885
Posted 2013-01-07 12:19:52 and read 8375 times.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 20):

Sorry for nitpicking (klugscheissing ) but EK's first A 380 was MSN 011, A6-EDA.

You´re totaly right, sorry 
but i meant A6-EDF is the "oldest". Delivered after A6-EDA but builded before it  

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-01-07 12:25:54 and read 8287 times.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 19):
Why not add a second rotation to LAX as they had a year or two ago?

The 2nd flight operated until last August.

EK is short aircraft so it had to cut some frequencies including the 2nd LAX flight to fund growth.

Anyhow, the A380 all along was EK's intended aircraft for the West Coast. It had to run the 777s instead due to range shortfall with the whale.

The added A380 capacity would be well used as LAX is running up in the 90% load factor range now with only a single flight on the route.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: United885
Posted 2013-01-07 12:39:46 and read 8107 times.

Wasn´t the IAD flight recently new introduced?
I guess the loadfactor of IAD - DXB musst be terrific!

[Edited 2013-01-07 12:41:11]

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: L0VE2FLY
Posted 2013-01-07 12:47:15 and read 8010 times.

With 90 A380s on order, I think that any airport that could handle an A380 will see one from EK! It's just a matter of time.

Quoting solnabo (Reply 13):
Better if EK stop "shower room" in first imo

Good idea, F pax have access to airport lounge showers, if you take a shower right before take off and use a deodorant why would you need to shower mid-flight?! Maybe they'll do away with this gimmicky feature once they hit a nasty CAT with a couple of pax in the showers!

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: N14AZ
Posted 2013-01-07 12:53:10 and read 8351 times.

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 24):
if you take a shower right before take off and use a deodorant why would you need to shower mid-flight?!

Well, I could answer this question. Problem is it would be deleted immediately...   beeep .... beeep .... beeeep ....

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-01-07 14:21:09 and read 7721 times.

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
I'm completely mesmerized and dumbfounded as to where the money and passengers are coming from to fill all these large airplanes. We're talking about a city state with a population of 2.1 mil

The population of DXB is irrelevant. DXB's success as a hub is based on its geographical location which can serve markets connecting a significant percentage of the world's population with just one stop.

And when looking at population, why only look at DXB? The UAE's population is around 8 million (about the same as Switzerland) and EK serves much more than the UAE in the Gulf Area. I'm sure they carry thousands of passengers every day connecting to/from Qatar, Oman, Kuwait, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and the rest of the Middle East region.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: DolphinAir747
Posted 2013-01-07 14:40:06 and read 7847 times.

Wasn't IAH already a A380 route, or was that only temporary?

Also, will EK serve EWR soon, maybe by moving their 77W from JFK to EWR? There is a huuuuge Indian community, and carriers such as BA, LH, and formerly AF that serve EWR in addition to JFK carry lots of these pax to India via Europe. Every EWR-LHR flight I have taken on BA has had lots of Indians, including in the front.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: mesaflyguy
Posted 2013-01-07 16:57:16 and read 6970 times.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 27):

I don't ever remember IAH being an a380 route, except for LH. Did IAH even have an a380-capable gate before this summer?

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: drerx7
Posted 2013-01-07 17:29:46 and read 6793 times.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 27):

Wasn't IAH already a A380 route, or was that only temporary?

NO EK has at its peak been 2x daily 77L now it is 1x77W

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 28):
I don't ever remember IAH being an a380 route, except for LH. Did IAH even have an a380-capable gate before this summer?

No we didn't. LH is the only 380 and D12 is the only 380 specific gate i.e. upper level boarding gate. Now if EK chooses to fly the 380 to IAH then there are four options. 1.) IAH must hurry and build a second gate if EK chooses to keep the current arrival/departure time. 2.) EK must change times so as to get in and out before or after Lufty 3.) EK must use hardstand 4.) EK uses one of the other gates but without the luxury of upper level boarding.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: seahawks7757
Posted 2013-01-07 17:32:39 and read 6777 times.

Talking to an airport ops official here at SeaTac, I learned that EK has tossed the Idea out to the Port of Seattle however the Port is not going to pay for the airport upgrades required to get daily service. So it is up to EK if they want to really bring it here or not. I also learned that SeaTac can officially take one now in an emergency situation but only in that event. They would park it up at Cargo 2 where FedEx is.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: thomasphoto60
Posted 2013-01-07 17:51:33 and read 6628 times.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 29):
3.) EK must use hardstand 4.) EK uses one of the other gates but without the luxury of upper level boarding.

Yeah, I suspect that EK would not be too wild about these options. I also believe that EK might be a bit hard nosed on option #2 about keeping their schedule as is, putting the screws to HAS to build that 2nd gate. Should HAS drag their feet on this, I would not be too surprised if EK were to dangle the threat of putting the A380 into DFW, lighting a fire under HAS's ass.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: drerx7
Posted 2013-01-07 19:14:30 and read 6202 times.

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 31):
I also believe that EK might be a bit hard nosed on option #2 about keeping their schedule as is, putting the screws to HAS to build that 2nd gate. Should HAS drag their feet on this, I would not be too surprised if EK were to dangle the threat of putting the A380 into DFW, lighting a fire under HAS's ass.

I agree. The thing is, a second 380 gate would eat up the space for one or two of the other widebodies on the ground at that time. Of course I suppose if need be UA could house SQ at E...but its not like they have ample ramp space over there either.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2013-01-07 19:22:04 and read 6134 times.

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 31):
Yeah, I suspect that EK would not be too wild about these options. I also believe that EK might be a bit hard nosed on option #2 about keeping their schedule as is, putting the screws to HAS to build that 2nd gate. Should HAS drag their feet on this, I would not be too surprised if EK were to dangle the threat of putting the A380 into DFW, lighting a fire under HAS's ass.

Im not so sure. I cant imagine them being able to seriously use DFW as a way to force IAH to do something. Im sure they will come to some consensus and fly the 380 to IAH at some point.

If AA and EK become close partners, its well within reason that DFW may see an EK 380 someday. Other than that, the best we can hope for is a 77W.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: astuteman
Posted 2013-01-07 22:08:35 and read 5458 times.

Quoting warden145 (Reply 2):
I thought that the only reason EK wasn't already using the A380 on LAX and SFO was that the current ones would be payload-restricted on these two routes? I recall hearing on here that EK was waiting until a higher-MTOW variant was in their fleet before upgauging these routes.

Clark has always said that his 2012 A380's, being some 4 tonnes lighter, and having some 2% better fuel burn than the early ones, would be able to economically fly DXB-LAX, but not with a full payload.
The real issue has been that with so few aircraft available, it makes sense to deploy his aircraft on those routes where it can use its full revenue potential.
Next year, when EK start to receive 573t/575t MTOW A380's, the extra 4t to 6t MTOW should allow them to fly DXB/LAX relatively unconstrained

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
Emirates chief says he needs 30 more A380s to open routes.

Thanks for the link. I have to say that none of his comments in the interview are new. He said exactly the same this time last year in an interview in Air International (which I can't find a link for, but have a copy sat next to me   )

Rgds.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: migair54
Posted 2013-01-08 08:49:53 and read 3842 times.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 19):
Why not add a second rotation to LAX as they had a year or two ago?

Second frequency is not always the best option, adding seat with a bigger plane is safer way to upgrade a destination, also adding a flight sometimes makes the yields to drop a lot and that´s not interesting at all, they drop the second frequency the same they did in Houston. And they didn´t do only because the lack of equipment but because they were shooting on their own foot.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 33):
If AA and EK become close partners, its well within reason that DFW may see an EK 380 someday. Other than that, the best we can hope for is a 77W.

For sure, and Chicago. But i´m not sure about this agreement, let´s see....

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 33):
Im not so sure. I cant imagine them being able to seriously use DFW as a way to force IAH to do something. Im sure they will come to some consensus and fly the 380 to IAH at some point.

IMO if EK starts flying to DFW then it will be even more logical to deploy the A380 to IAH and keep that flight as one daily, i´m sure an airport like IAH has the A380 gate in mind, but maybe is not number one priority right now.

Quoting musapapaya (Reply 7):
Why not do QF1 and 2 on the A380? Just curious....

Transiting via SIN, HKG, BKK is much more pleasant than doing via DXB or DOH, I´m not sure about AUH but i think it must be nice experience to fly EY on F all the way to London and Back.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: aznmadsci
Posted 2013-01-08 10:22:05 and read 3692 times.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 35):
IMO if EK starts flying to DFW then it will be even more logical to deploy the A380 to IAH and keep that flight as one daily, i´m sure an airport like IAH has the A380 gate in mind, but maybe is not number one priority right now.

EK already has been flying to DFW with an 77L while IAH went from 2x daily 77L to daily 77W.

Also, there is also 1 A380 gate at IAH for LH's daily IAH-FRA on a A380. When EK starts A380 service to IAH, it will have to do it at a time when the sole A380 gate, which is D12, is not used by LH. There is an overlap when LH and EK are at IAH. "The Future of IAH-2" thread has been talking about this.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-01-08 11:22:00 and read 3562 times.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 35):
Second frequency is not always the best option,

In the long run, frequency is key for EK. Its with frequency they are able to build a effective power house DXB hub with lots of connection timing options.

For example the recent loss of the the 2nd LAX flight has taken off the table several connection markets that EK offered, but cant any longer.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 35):
IMO if EK starts flying to DFW

EK has been serving DFW for almost a year now.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: as739x
Posted 2013-01-08 11:58:19 and read 3483 times.

Quoting seahawks7757 (Reply 30):
Talking to an airport ops official here at SeaTac, I learned that EK has tossed the Idea out to the Port of Seattle

Really??? Considering it's been mentioned that Seattle is the worst performing N. American market.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: migair54
Posted 2013-01-08 23:27:37 and read 3146 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 37):
In the long run, frequency is key for EK. Its with frequency they are able to build a effective power house DXB hub with lots of connection timing options.

For example the recent loss of the the 2nd LAX flight has taken off the table several connection markets that EK offered, but cant any longer.

Volume is the key for EK, that´s why they are ordering so many A380´s and not B787´s to offer multiple freqs.

LAX problem was the lack of planes and also that offering many seat a day was sinking the yields a lot, of course for Business travellers freqs are the key but maybe EK didn´t have enough of them to do well with 2Xday flights, filling the premium seat is the challenge of the airlines, Economy is not that difficult.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 37):
EK has been serving DFW for almost a year now.
Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 36):
EK already has been flying to DFW with an 77L while IAH went from 2x daily 77L to daily 77W.

My mistake, what if they upgrade both to A380??, that will be almost like 2Xday B777 to IAH and 1x day B777 to DFW.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2013-01-09 07:52:00 and read 2889 times.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 39):
Volume is the key for EK, that´s why they are ordering so many A380´s and not B787´s to offer multiple freqs.

If you review the EK network, they work to build frequency.
Look at the current front page thread about EK going 5x daily to BKK, 4x to KUL, 3x to MNL, etc.

Its only with frequency that ensure wide range of connection options. A single frequency to a spoke diminishes the attractiveness of the hub as it reduces the beyond connection opportunities.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: migair54
Posted 2013-01-09 09:34:39 and read 2765 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 40):
If you review the EK network, they work to build frequency.
Look at the current front page thread about EK going 5x daily to BKK, 4x to KUL, 3x to MNL, etc.

Its only with frequency that ensure wide range of connection options. A single frequency to a spoke diminishes the attractiveness of the hub as it reduces the beyond connection opportunities.

Of course they add freqs to markets when they can, but many of the markets they serve could be serve more frequently with smaller planes but they send B77W or even A380, JED, DOH, CAI, BAH and many more... But they offer a big volume of seat as well to any new destination so they can attract a lot of travelers offering nice fares, of course not everybody can do that, but that´s their strategy, and it´s working with them.

Topic: RE: EK- Mulling LAX, SFO, IAH As Next A380 Upgrades
Username: gemuser
Posted 2013-01-09 14:12:56 and read 2606 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 40):
If you review the EK network, they work to build frequency.
Look at the current front page thread about EK going 5x daily to BKK, 4x to KUL, 3x to MNL, etc.

True, but it is limited. EK is looking for 4 daily flights to everywhere, to match the 4 banks operating/planned at DXB (see HB-IWC excellent posts on EKs hubbing stratagey at DXB).

Also some of the frequencies quoted above are misleading unless you know that EK operate multi-stop routes through SE Asia to both Australia & New Zealand and North Asia. At least two of the BKK frequencies and one of the KUL are on such routes.

Gemuser


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