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Topic: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: zhiao
Posted 2013-01-08 18:31:20 and read 8759 times.

It says that on Wikipedia that half of the said fleet will be gone in a few years. What will replace all this capacity? I hope they get some new A330s and 767s quick because the 789 is frankly too large and will arrive too late.

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: AA737-823
Posted 2013-01-08 19:25:21 and read 8573 times.

Quoting zhiao (Thread starter):
I hope they get some new A330s and 767s quick

Why would you replace an old 763 with an identical airplane? The 788 has a much lower operating cost.
And AA has no A330s on order, so as of today right now, that's not going to happen at all.
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Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: BlueSky1976
Posted 2013-01-08 19:31:19 and read 8536 times.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 1):
Why would you replace an old 763 with an identical airplane?

A330 is not an identical airplane.

Quoting zhiao (Thread starter):
I hope they get some new A330s and 767s quick because the 789 is frankly too large and will arrive too late.

I've read somewhere that AA has arrangement with Boeing which allows them to give only around 18 months before first delivery to firm the order for the 787-9. I'm sure this order will be confirmed as soon as they are out of the bankruptcy protection.

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: etops1
Posted 2013-01-08 19:31:36 and read 8536 times.

They have some A330's that might be joining the fleet  

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: zhiao
Posted 2013-01-08 21:19:41 and read 8171 times.

But the question remains; what will replace all this capacity?

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2013-01-08 21:30:26 and read 8127 times.

Quoting zhiao (Reply 4):

There's no question. AA has made their fleet plans well known, and going forward AA's fleet will consist of the 773, 772, 789, 738, A321 and A319. It will take a while to get there, but that is the plan. In the near term the 762s are being replaced by A321s in 2014. The 763 will be replaced by the 772 and 789. The 757s are being replaced by 738s and A321s. The MD-80s are being replaced by 738s and A319s.

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: TSS
Posted 2013-01-08 21:41:55 and read 8081 times.

Quoting zhiao (Thread starter):
It says that on Wikipedia that half of the said fleet will be gone in a few years. What will replace all this capacity? I hope they get some new A330s and 767s quick because the 789 is frankly too large and will arrive too late.

In which Wikipedia article is this statement made, and what is the exact wording of the statement? I checked the Wikipedia entries on both American Airlines and the Boeing 767 but I couldn't find any specific reference to AA decreasing their 763 fleet in any particular time frame.

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: gigneil
Posted 2013-01-08 21:47:30 and read 8056 times.

Quoting zhiao (Thread starter):
It says that on Wikipedia that half of the said fleet will be gone in a few years. What will replace all this capacity? I hope they get some new A330s and 767s quick because the 789 is frankly too large and will arrive too late.

The 789 is the size of an A330-200, so what A330 are you recommending?

NS

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: zhiao
Posted 2013-01-08 22:25:51 and read 7944 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 5):
There's no question. AA has made their fleet plans well known, and going forward AA's fleet will consist of the 773, 772, 789, 738, A321 and A319. It will take a while to get there, but that is the plan. In the near term the 762s are being replaced by A321s in 2014. The 763 will be replaced by the 772 and 789. The 757s are being replaced by 738s and A321s. The MD-80s are being replaced by 738s and A319s.

That's a huge gap between the 738 and 789!

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: PDX88
Posted 2013-01-09 01:32:35 and read 7582 times.

Quoting zhiao (Reply 8):
That's a huge gap between the 738 and 789!

The A321 sits in that gap pretty comfortably.

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: AA737-823
Posted 2013-01-09 02:52:04 and read 7423 times.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 2):
A330 is not an identical airplane.

Really? I had no clue.  
Perhaps I was referring to the OP's suggestion that American replace 767s with new 767s?

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: american 767
Posted 2013-01-09 03:26:47 and read 7314 times.

Quoting etops1 (Reply 3):
They have some A330's that might be joining the fleet

If AA and US merge, yes. All the A330s that would be phased in would be ex-US A330s.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 5):
In the near term the 762s are being replaced by A321s in 2014.

2016 at the latest, the 762s will have left the fleet. The 763s will be gone in the middle of the 20s. By then the 772 retirement will have begun.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 5):
The 757s are being replaced by 738s and A321s. The MD-80s are being replaced by 738s and A319s.

The 738s also replaced the 727s.

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: JAAlbert
Posted 2013-01-09 08:01:54 and read 5769 times.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 11):
By then the 772 retirement will have begun.

Does AA intend on replacing its retiring 772s with new 772s or will the type leave the fleet entirely?

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2013-01-09 08:05:29 and read 5731 times.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 12):
Quoting american 767 (Reply 11):
By then the 772 retirement will have begun.

Does AA intend on replacing its retiring 772s with new 772s or will the type leave the fleet entirely?

By then, Boeing will probably be producing new versions of the 777 like a "777NG" or "777 MAX" or whatever it will be called. So it won't be an exact replacement. It would like an airline replacing their 737-400s with 737-8 MAXs.

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: AAIL86
Posted 2013-01-09 08:28:44 and read 5485 times.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 12):
Does AA intend on replacing its retiring 772s with new 772s or will the type leave the fleet entirely?

They do have 772's still on the order books but I think we all know that those won't be delivered as 772s - probably converted to 77Ws or otherwise converted.

On the subject of the AA 763s, its true that half are slated to be retired in the near term. However, the rest of them are still relatively young - e.g. the youngest 763 was delivered in 2003. Given that AA has announced the remaining half will get a new business class product in the next 2 years - that part of the fleet could march on for ten more years or more.

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2013-01-09 14:54:08 and read 2901 times.

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 14):
They do have 772's still on the order books but I think we all know that those won't be delivered as 772s - probably converted to 77Ws or otherwise converted.

I think in the most recent filing with the court during bankruptcy proceedings it was noted that the remaining 5 772 orders have formally been swapped to 77Ws. I read that in the bankruptcy thread, I believe. However, the order page at Boeing.com still reflects those five aircraft as 772s. So who knows.

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2013-01-09 14:55:58 and read 2903 times.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 2):
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 1):
Why would you replace an old 763 with an identical airplane?

A330 is not an identical airplane.

No, but the original post read as follows. I'm sure the reply was referring to the 767 reference, not the A330.

Quoting zhiao (Thread starter):
I hope they get some new A330s and 767s quick

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: ATA L1011
Posted 2013-01-09 15:17:32 and read 2737 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 7):
The 789 is the size of an A330-200

The 789 at 206 ft long is near the same size as the A330-300 (210 ft) and 777-200 (209ft), the 788 at (186 ft) is near the same size as the A330-200 at (193ft) in length.

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2013-01-09 16:01:42 and read 2482 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 7):
The 789 is the size of an A330-200

Actually slightly larger than an A330-300 in typical seating configuration and near-identical in floor area. It's a big plane. I do wonder if they don't need some 788s as well.

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: OB1504
Posted 2013-01-09 18:00:28 and read 1921 times.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 12):
Does AA intend on replacing its retiring 772s with new 772s or will the type leave the fleet entirely?

One possibility is that AA may reconfigure its older 772s to a high-density configuration and deploy them on some of the former AB6 routes which are very cargo-heavy.

Topic: RE: Half Of AAs 763s Gone In A Few Years?
Username: AAIL86
Posted 2013-01-10 09:04:50 and read 1476 times.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 19):
One possibility is that AA may reconfigure its older 772s to a high-density configuration and deploy them on some of the former AB6 routes which are very cargo-heavy.

Actually, AA has already announced that all 772s will be refitted to a much higher density configuration, with a new business class product replacing the current offering of F/J.

As to where they are deployed, I guess we’ll find out soon enough.


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