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Topic: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: gauravpai
Posted 2013-01-07 06:42:40 and read 10314 times.

EK has announced that beginning 31st march 2013, they will fly 5 daily to bangkok including two A380 services

they will also start 4th daily service to KUL, and also 3rd daily service to MNL.

cgk also will get an extra daily service.

link here:http://www.arabianbusiness.com/emirates-add-fifth-daily-flight-bangkok-484792.html

This in addition to the daily HKT flight which makes them see 35 flights a week to BKK and 42 flights a week to Thailand ex DXB.

Now thats awesome news!

cheers
DR GAURAV PAI

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: DFWHeavy
Posted 2013-01-07 06:46:16 and read 10286 times.

Good God, they just never seem to stop. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy for EK and what they are accomplishing, but holy cow. I just don't know how they do it.

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: gauravpai
Posted 2013-01-07 06:49:33 and read 10258 times.

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 1):
I just don't know how they do it

Agree with you there sir!

doing it is still one thing i never get how they do it and actually get awaay with it     

cheers
DR G

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: gauravpai
Posted 2013-01-07 07:05:14 and read 10116 times.

well heres some more news

EK announces 3 x daily A380 services to JED./lol

heres the link
http://www.thenational.ae/business/a...riple-daily-a380-flights-to-jeddah

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: SCQ83
Posted 2013-01-07 07:13:56 and read 10035 times.

Quoting gauravpai (Reply 3):
EK announces 3 x daily A380 services to JED

Just some additional services for the Dubai Shopping Festival. Still, I wonder how many seats there are among Dubai and JED in a weekly basis (with EK, FZ, SV and XY to DXB and G9 and XY to SHJ).

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: BestWestern
Posted 2013-01-07 07:14:39 and read 10018 times.

Quoting gauravpai (Reply 3):
EK announces 3 x daily A380 services to JED

for four days...

Emirates Airline will offer a triple daily A380 service to Jeddah for four days in January to support the school-holiday demand, which also coincides with popular Dubai Shopping Festival (DSF).

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: ASA
Posted 2013-01-07 09:23:00 and read 9594 times.

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 1):
Good God, they just never seem to stop. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy for EK and what they are accomplishing, but holy cow. I just don't know how they do it.

They won't stop ...

... until they have hourly A380 services to ALL cities of the world! 

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: gauravpai
Posted 2013-01-08 01:08:13 and read 6094 times.

Quoting ASA (Reply 6):
until they have hourly A380 services to ALL cities of the world!

lol thats really funny and i dare say if you lay down the challenge EK and Mr Tim may actually take it up as a challenge     

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: EK413
Posted 2013-01-08 01:27:40 and read 5990 times.

Emirates Adds 5th Daily Bangkok Service from late-March 2013

Emirates starting 31MAR13 is launching 5th daily service on Dubai – Bangkok service, initially operated by 3-class Airbus A330-200 aircraft. From 01SEP13, the new flight (EK376/377) will switch from A330-200 to 3-class 777-300ER aircraft with First Class Suite. Reservation for this new flight opened this morning.

EK384 DXB0305 – 1225BKK 388 D
EK376 DXB0340 – 1300BKK 332 D
EK418 DXB0850 – 1810BKK 77W D
EK372 DXB0940 – 1915BKK 77W D
EK374 DXB2300 – 0820+1BKK 773 D

EK385 BKK0105 – 0450DXB 388 D
EK419 BKK0225 – 0600DXB 77W D
EK375 BKK0935 – 1315DXB 773 D
EK377 BKK1525 – 1830DXB 332 D
EK373 BKK2120 – 0030+1DXB 77W D

http://airlineroute.net/2013/01/08/ek-bkk-s13/

EK413

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: flylonghaul
Posted 2013-01-08 01:34:13 and read 5926 times.

Thats an amazing amount of capacity! Well done EK!

In addition, EK also has a codeshare with TG to DXB. Thats a lot of options to get to DXB!

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2013-01-08 03:48:14 and read 5268 times.

Yes, the presence of EK in Southeast Asia really is astounding! This means that the daily number of flights between Dubai and the region will add up to 21 daily flights, which is incredible!

Bangkok: 5 daily (388, 77W, 77W, 77W, 773)
Singapore: 4 daily (388, 77W, 77W, 77W)
Kuala Lumpur: 4 daily (388, 77W, 773, 332)
Manila: 3 daily (77W, 77W, 77W)
Jakarta: 3 daily (77W, 77W, 77W)
Ho Chi Minh City: 1 daily (77W)
Phuket: 1 daily (332)

And although the expansion in this region is huge, I wouldn't expect EK to be nearly finished. If rights are granted in the future, MNL and CGK will either get a fourth daily or the A380 if it becomes available in a 2-class configuration.
Also, I think we can expect them to launch more secondary cities, such as DPS, SUB, CEB and the likes...

/Alex

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: Thomas_Jaeger
Posted 2013-01-08 03:54:03 and read 5224 times.

HAN and RGN are most probably likely ASEAN destinations we will see in the next couple of years from EK.

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: SYDSpotter
Posted 2013-01-08 04:22:21 and read 5069 times.

Some of the BKK/SIN/KUL flights continue onto other destinations (e.g. HKG/SYD/MEL/BNE) so they are not "pure" DXB-BKK/SIN/KUL rotations. Alot of the traffic on these flights will only be flying passengers from DXB to the end destination. Nevertheless, it is still some very impressive figures.

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: CARST
Posted 2013-01-08 05:00:48 and read 4814 times.

This just shows that they are a transit-airline for 99% of their seats. Mainly shuffling Europeans to their Asian holiday destinations (regarding the airports mentioned by the OP).

I would hope the EU would limit their slots and airports much more. Don't let them transport more than 150 or 200% than their O+D traffic between Dubai and the destination airports. EK would go bust sooner or later...


Instead we let them operate how many flights they want and reduce profit margins of our home airlines. And no one wants to see the advantages they have financially, be it labour costs or taxes...

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: SQ452
Posted 2013-01-08 05:33:18 and read 4580 times.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 10):
Also, I think we can expect them to launch more secondary cities, such as DPS, SUB, CEB and the likes...

They'd do very well on the DPS route if it is non-stop from DXB I think.

Someone know if QR's flight from DPS has a decent amount of through traffic to DOH? When I took the flight DPS>SIN, it was full of Russian tourists heading on to Europe and Russia. Eliminating the layover in Singapore would probably help a lot.

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: qf002
Posted 2013-01-08 07:24:30 and read 4124 times.

Quoting CARST (Reply 13):
Instead we let them operate how many flights they want and reduce profit margins of our home airlines. And no one wants to see the advantages they have financially, be it labour costs or taxes...

Perhaps those home carriers could quit complaining and start doing something about it.

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: flylonghaul
Posted 2013-01-08 12:49:57 and read 3783 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 15):

Exactly   

Competition keeps the offering current

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: MillwallSean
Posted 2013-01-08 16:31:56 and read 3651 times.

Quoting CARST (Reply 13):
This just shows that they are a transit-airline for 99% of their seats. Mainly shuffling Europeans to their Asian holiday destinations (regarding the airports mentioned by the OP).

I struggle to understand how you reach that conclusion? or do you assume that KUL, MNL, BKK and SIN dont have their own local market?
BKK might be a tourist driven market but the other three markets is everything but tourist driven.

To MNL, the main driver isnt Europeans but traffic to and from the gulf. A mix of maid express together with labourers and business traffic.
To KUL, I might suggest a quick glance at the visitor numbers from the gulf to Malaysia for you. Will be enlightening. Quite a decent number. Malaysia for example saw trade with the UAE quadruple over the last ten years and UAE is now one of Malaysias top 5 trade partners. There is no need to rely on Europeans from KUL.
SIN as a holiday destination is a new one. Expensive citybreaks. Nah, EK cater for the businesstraffic and is a favourite among the large amount of westerners living there. A one stop about half way is pretty ideal compared to a stopover in one of the European hubs.

That EK also fill up seats to Bangkok with European tourists is not disputed but they dont fly there 4 times daily to cater for European holidaymakers au contraire. BKK gets a fair share of visitors from the gulf and Africa as well.

Its easy to have a go at EK. but Id suggest we then need to look into other amounts of transfer passengers. For example those that LH takes between India and US. That shouldnt be allowed either if we start restricting EK...

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: ytz
Posted 2013-01-08 16:33:28 and read 3647 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 15):
Perhaps those home carriers could quit complaining and start doing something about it.

I am hard-pressed to think what any airline could do to compete with EK given the regulatory regime in the West. Perhaps governments in the Western world should outlaw unions in the aviation sector and declare aviation to be a completely tax-free sector. They should also exempt all airlines from local labour laws. And should completely exempt airports from any local noise regulations. That would put the airlines of the world on par with EK.

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: flylonghaul
Posted 2013-01-08 17:00:50 and read 3602 times.

Quoting ytz (Reply 18):

So what is the alternative?
Would you prefer to ban all ME3 airlines from flying to all countries where local airlines are struggling, and then have to settle for an inferior product due to the lack of competition?

EK undoubtedly has favourable operating conditions, and they have made a model that exploits these conditions very well.
Plenty of airlines continue to maintain market share in spite of this.

Just MHO

[Edited 2013-01-08 17:03:01]

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: CARST
Posted 2013-01-09 04:43:33 and read 3223 times.

Quoting ytz (Reply 18):
I am hard-pressed to think what any airline could do to compete with EK given the regulatory regime in the West. Perhaps governments in the Western world should outlaw unions in the aviation sector and declare aviation to be a completely tax-free sector. They should also exempt all airlines from local labour laws. And should completely exempt airports from any local noise regulations. That would put the airlines of the world on par with EK.
Quoting flylonghaul (Reply 19):

So what is the alternative?
Would you prefer to ban all ME3 airlines from flying to all countries where local airlines are struggling, and then have to settle for an inferior product due to the lack of competition?

EK undoubtedly has favourable operating conditions, and they have made a model that exploits these conditions very well.
Plenty of airlines continue to maintain market share in spite of this.

You both point out exactly what are the unfair advantages of the ME carriers.

And you don't have to "ban" them to solve the problem. But just install a quota related to O+D traffic. Perhaps at 200% of the seats the O+D market would fill up. Perhaps a little bit higher. Whatever the major network carriers want.

3 A380s and 2 777s to LHR daily are so far over the top and are just possible because oft the unacceptable advantages given to EK compared to BA and the other European Airlines.

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: seansasLCY
Posted 2013-01-09 05:01:57 and read 3192 times.

Quoting CARST (Reply 13):
This just shows that they are a transit-airline for 99% of their seats. Mainly shuffling Europeans to their Asian holiday destinations (regarding the airports mentioned by the OP).

I would hope the EU would limit their slots and airports much more. Don't let them transport more than 150 or 200% than their O+D traffic between Dubai and the destination airports. EK would go bust sooner or later...

Why would we want that? Europeans choose to use EK. Nobody forces you. Let the consumer decide.

Quoting CARST (Reply 20):
3 A380s and 2 777s to LHR daily are so far over the top and are just possible because oft the unacceptable advantages given to EK compared to BA and the other European Airlines

Its actually 5 daily A380 or soon will be. This has been discussed to death. EK are clearly offering a service the public want otherwise they wouldn't fly with them. Increased competition is good as it means all airlines up their game and fight for passengers rather than just rely on their position.

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: mcogator
Posted 2013-01-09 09:03:17 and read 2977 times.

Quoting gauravpai (Thread starter):
EK has announced that beginning 31st march 2013, they will fly 5 daily to bangkok including two A380 services

they will also start 4th daily service to KUL, and also 3rd daily service to MNL.

These will also serve most of the Eastern US and Texas with service to these cities in very comparable flying time, and most likely less traveling time than heading West or through Europe.

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: DolphinAir747
Posted 2013-01-09 20:09:31 and read 2743 times.

How is EK able to fill so many flights to JED outside the Hajj season? Do they charter aircraft during that month since demand to JED is so much higher then?

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: ekgold
Posted 2013-01-10 00:28:52 and read 2577 times.

Quoting CARST (Reply 20):
3 A380s and 2 777s to LHR daily are so far over the top and are just possible because oft the unacceptable advantages given to EK compared to BA and the other European Airlines.

BA currently fly 2 services daily LHR to Dubai as well as Virgin daily Service.

Being a regular on the DXB/LHR service EK fly so many times because there is demand not just because they feel they want to. Word on the BA and VS flights is that they are heavily loaded as well...

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: leftyboarder
Posted 2013-01-10 00:44:38 and read 2623 times.

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 21):
Why would we want that? Europeans choose to use EK. Nobody forces you. Let the consumer decide.

True, but unfair practices like low taxes and missing labor restrictions eventually kill the competition - in this case look at AF and the like leaving BKK for example. Soon it will only be the gulf carriers funneling pax to the region, after which prices will go up. That is the definition of an oligopoly.

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: infinit
Posted 2013-01-10 01:39:09 and read 2557 times.

Okay, time for SQ to raise the white flag and call it quits to EK's bottomless pit!
Give the fleet to Scoot and send the Singapore Girls and Boys to them too 

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: flylonghaul
Posted 2013-01-10 02:04:21 and read 2518 times.

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 21):
Why would we want that? Europeans choose to use EK. Nobody forces you. Let the consumer decide.

   Exactly

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 25):
True, but unfair practices like low taxes and missing labor restrictions eventually kill the competition - in this case look at AF and the like leaving BKK for example. Soon it will only be the gulf carriers funneling pax to the region, after which prices will go up. That is the definition of an oligopoly.

I can't ever see that happening. AF yes. All European and Asian airlines... Never.

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2013-01-10 06:33:02 and read 2242 times.

Quoting flylonghaul (Reply 27):
I can't ever see that happening. AF yes. All European and Asian airlines... Never.

I wouldn't be so sure in the case of European carriers. SK is suspending its CPH-BKK flts soon (after serving Thailand for over 60 years) and there is no certainty it will return given its financial predicament and the competition from Norwegian this summer. LH has hinted that poor yield may also prompt it to pull out of Thailand.

Topic: RE: EK To Go 5x Daily BKK ,4X KUL ,3X MNL
Username: flylonghaul
Posted 2013-01-10 12:33:44 and read 2053 times.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 28):

It's a shame SK are dropping the route, but its also not a surprise.
LH dropping BKK would also be a shame, but would make room for higher yield to remaining carriers.
And LH can easily transfer pax to TG services from FRA and MUC
BKK is well served from Europe, even without SK and LH I can still think of 7 airlines serving BKK.
With all the competition it's not surprising that airlines struggle to BKK, I don't think this is strictly related to the ME3 airlines, though they certainly play a large part.


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