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Topic: AS's Summer 2013 Hawaii Schedules
Username: SANFan
Posted 2013-01-11 17:49:36 and read 4876 times.

I spent a little while earlier today creating a turn-schedule for this summer's AS service to The Islands. The summer schedule begins June 9. On another AS thread
Winner Chosen In AS "Paint The Plane-Hawaii" (by HiFlyerAS Jan 10 2013 in Civil Aviation)
there was a bit of a sub-topic starting about what's next for AS to Hawaii and I didn't want to continue taking that thread off-topic so I thought I'd start a separate one.

Although it appears that the online schedules on AS.com are perhaps not quite complete yet, a couple of highlights are:
> SEA-HNL will see 3 daily flights this summer (up from 2 last year);
> PDX-HNL's r/t schedule improves a lot (IMHO) with a morning departure from PDX and a mid-day HNL return;
> SAN-OGG gets double-daily service this summer, up from 11 wkly flights for the summer of 2012; and
> SAN-LIH starts on June 7, and runs daily thru the summer; it currently shows a reduction to 4x/wk in late August.

I notice that SMF-OGG remains at 1 daily r/t this year and that the service still originates/terminates in SEA. I don't know if this is to help fill the flights (with thru SEA-OGG traffic) or if it is simply a/c placement -- combining a SEA-SMF flight with the SMF-OGG leg rather than running 2 separate segments. (Maybe it even has something to do with ETOPs.)

SMF was one of the cities discussed a bit in the other thread and I mentioned that last year SMF had 10 weekly flights during the summer to Maui -- the a/c was shared with SAN providing 7 "extra" wkly flights between California and OGG. This year, SMF is not seeing any "extra" Maui flights, nor any new routes to the Islands. (Maui is still the only route that AS flies from SMF and therefore remains the mainland city with the fewest routes to Hawaii on a year-round basis. ANC and BLI only see one route - HNL - in the summer, but in the winter, they both saw additional service.)

Which brings me to my next question. I wonder how BLI-Hawaii is doing since AS does not fly to even Maui from there in the summer. I kind of expected this summer AS might, for obvious reasons, increase their Island-flying a bit from northern Washington.

In any case, it's great to see AS's presence in the Island market strong as always, with even some continuing growth. I hope to see SAN-KOA start soon, and maybe a bit of expansion from BLI.

bb

Topic: RE: AS's Summer 2013 Hawaii Schedules
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2013-01-11 19:12:28 and read 4699 times.

There are a few PTP flying between the Mainland and Hawaii left to go. They could open a couple of more Hawaii routes out of SAN and SMF.

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
Which brings me to my next question. I wonder how BLI-Hawaii is doing since AS does not fly to even Maui from there in the summer. I kind of expected this summer AS might, for obvious reasons, increase their Island-flying a bit from northern Washington.

Alaska's interactive route map still shows the Seasonal BLI-OGG route.

After that, I guess we could see more in the way of multiple RT's between the Mainland and Hawaii, especially with HA announcing their intent to purchase A321NEO's for lower-capacity mainland-Hawaii flying. Also, I suppose WN still intends on flying to HA with their 73H's.

Topic: RE: AS's Summer 2013 Hawaii Schedules
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-01-12 01:46:10 and read 4381 times.

Quoting SANFan (Thread starter):
> PDX-HNL's r/t schedule improves a lot (IMHO) with a morning departure from PDX and a mid-day HNL return

This changed last month, about a week after we got back in Dec. When we went in late Nov the AS flight over was at 4:30pm, it was dark the whole way, and we arrived HNL just before 9pm, so we lost an entire day of our vacation, the trade off was, we got to fly F on AS at least, AS's less than ideal schedule was one of the reasons we chose to fly home on HA for their 3:45pm return time to PDX, Allowing us to take advantage of our platinum guaranteed late check out at the Hyatt Regency. Hope you are doing well Bob!

Topic: RE: AS's Summer 2013 Hawaii Schedules
Username: SANFan
Posted 2013-01-12 09:30:20 and read 4021 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
This changed last month, about a week after we got back in Dec.

Hey B, hope your 2013 is going well so far. I'm well thanx.

Thank you for the correction on the timeframe of the PDX-HNL schedule changes. I see that now and don't know what I was seeing yesterday!

In any case, I'm sure the majority of the local traffic between Portland and HNL will appreciate these "more traditional" departure and arrival times. The connections over PDX were obviously better with the previous schedule but I'm sure there are lots of choices via SEA. If it turns out that there are a significant number of connectors using PDX as the Hawaii gateway, and that business is profitable enough for AS, then they can always add another PDX-HNL flight later in the day.

Similarly, the second SAN-OGG flight added for this summer is now a 6:55pm departure which picks up several connecting possibilities such as PVR, STS, PDX abd SJD, none of which are possible with the (year-round) 7:15am SAN-OGG flight. The new red-eye return from Maui also offers connections to 5 destinations while the regular OGG-SAN arrival at 10pm offers none.

bb

Topic: RE: AS's Summer 2013 Hawaii Schedules
Username: WeAreUnited
Posted 2013-01-12 16:03:56 and read 3356 times.

It appears the night flight from PDX-OGG is moving to SAN, resulting in PDX no longer having double daily service. I'm still hoping LIH and KOA become year-round service.

Topic: RE: AS's Summer 2013 Hawaii Schedules
Username: SANFan
Posted 2013-01-12 17:41:23 and read 3005 times.

Quoting WeAreUnited (Reply 4):
It appears the night flight from PDX-OGG is moving to SAN, resulting in PDX no longer having double daily service.

PDX-OGG will see 1 daily r/t plus a split flight with SEA, op'ing 2,4,6 from PDX to Maui and 1,3,5,7 SEA-OGG. So no, it's not daily-double this summer from PDX but it is still more than just one a day.

OTOH, SAN-OGG went from 1.6 flights/day last summer to 2x daily this year while SMF-OGG goes from 1.4 flts/day last year to 1/day this summer.

bb

Topic: RE: AS's Summer 2013 Hawaii Schedules
Username: RWA380
Posted 2013-01-13 18:25:15 and read 2625 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
I'm sure the majority of the local traffic between Portland and HNL will appreciate these "more traditional" departure and arrival times. The connections over PDX were obviously better with the previous schedule but I'm sure there are lots of choices via SEA. If it turns out that there are a significant number of connectors using PDX as the Hawaii gateway, and that business is profitable enough for AS, then they can always add another PDX-HNL flight later in the day.

Things are great so far this 2013, hope this finds you well. Yes, I am pleased with the change in AS flight times, and you are totally correct for O & D, the times are good, for connections not too great, well not bad at least for OR cities. I think many well healed AS/Pacific NW travellers do use PDX vs SEA if they have a choice. IE.. My buddy came home from our Hawaii trip on AS via SEA the same day we flew HA non-stop. He landed late into SEA, came into a satellite gate had to take the underground train and walk for a distance to reach his QX gate for the short hop to PDX, while here in PDX, with connections on AS/QX you are in areas that easily connect to each other in just minutes.

Topic: RE: AS's Summer 2013 Hawaii Schedules
Username: chrisair
Posted 2013-01-13 21:35:23 and read 2486 times.

Any word on where (or if) the 739ERs will be running Hawaii flights? I know they've sent them over there on occasion already.


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